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Houston Texans sign DE Mario Williams (1 Viewer)

Casserly was on ESPN radio in NY earlier today.... he basically said they did everything they could to trade down, but no team was willing to match the value chart.
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Well, maybe you should take less than the value chart??
 
Casserly was on ESPN radio in NY earlier today.... he basically said they did everything they could to trade down, but no team was willing to match the value chart.
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Well, maybe you should take less than the value chart??
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Why take less value and take the chance of missing out on the player they wanted all along? Not saying this was the right thing to do but I am getting the sense that Reggie Bush has been drinking a little too much of his own kool aid and it rubbed the Texans the wrong way. What I read yesterday is that he was offered 10% more than what Alex Smith got last year and he balked at it.

 
Am I the only one that is not suprised they didn't take Bush?
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Interesting move here. The guy has ten years in front of him but they write him off before his first training camp. Barry Sanders missed quite a bit of time as a rookie.

The way that these guys are controlling where they are going is taking some of the luster off of the draft.

 
With Hopkins retiring, why is it a foregone conclusion that TEN would pass on Brickhouse? Anybody else think all the QB smoke--be it VY or Leinart--could be just that?

Michael Roos and David Stewart are who I'm seeing on the TEN depth chart at LT and RT right now.

I have to think a team like NO--who could really use Brick--is looking at this as well.

 
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Casserly was on ESPN radio in NY earlier today.... he basically said they did everything they could to trade down, but no team was willing to match the value chart.
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Well, maybe you should take less than the value chart??
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Why take less value and take the chance of missing out on the player they wanted all along?
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I agree actually, if they really liked Mario as their guy, and believed that Mario > Player X + Extra Draft Picks

Then they made the right move for them.

I find it hard to believe, but if that's how they saw it.....

 
Casserly was on ESPN radio in NY earlier today.... he basically said they did everything they could to trade down, but no team was willing to match the value chart.
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Well, maybe you should take less than the value chart??
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Yah, I don't get why seemingly every team is married to the value chart.*newsflash*

the draft is different every year as is the actual value of the picks.

 
Casserly on ESPN right now

"Just transferred to 4-3, key is pass rushers"

"This year there were two #1 picks"

"We had no issues with Reggie Bush"

"You win championships with defense"

 
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Mort on ESPN:

"Was a football decision"

"Heard from several teams that Mario Williams was best player in draft"

"going to 4-3 scheme"

"Colts sacrificed Edge for Freeney" (excellent, interesting point)

"Do you want next Reggie White or next Gale Sayers...tough football decision"

"Saints inclination to sprint to podium, but not sure Saints/benson will pay what Bush wants"

"Jets or Titan may move up"

"Bush will get close to #1 money, may ask for more" :lmao:

 
Casserly was on ESPN radio in NY earlier today.... he basically said they did everything they could to trade down, but no team was willing to match the value chart.
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Can I get this pinned somewhere?
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Fair enough, but that doesn't make a ton of sense IMO.The Saints have Jammal Brown (a RT in college) and Jon Stinchcomb or Ben Archibald at the other tackle spot. Having Ferguson would be an enormous upgrade.

At DE, New Orleans has Will Smith and Charles Grant. Smith has 16 sacks and 8 forced fumbles in two years, and Grant has 31 sacks in his four year career.

I don't believe the Saints would have taken Williams.

But you have to think that Mario Williams is going to be the best DE in the league to make this move. Because you're costing yourself at least $10M, a first round pick and at least one other draft pick and maybe losing nothing, since you can take Williams at four. Worst case scenario you take Ferguson. Considering the Texans huge need for an OL, I don't see how this would be such a worst case scenario.

 
This smacks of being cheap.

The Houston Texans are the Tampa Bay Devil Rays of the NFL.

Somebody throw a bat at Casserly. I'll bet his hair doesn't move.
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:no: Williams signed a huge deal with $26.5 million guaranteed.
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Word is it's more than they offered Bush.Idiots.
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Hey Exalted...why do you think this was an "idiot" move?Here's what we know...

1) For weeks Houston has maintained it held Mario and Bush in equal regard

2) All things being equal, DE was a bigger need for Houston

3) All things being equal, an All Pro DE is worth more than an All Pro RB

4) Ron Wolf reported that six out of six GMs he's close with rated Williams the best player, not Bush

5) Some questionable, and yet-to-be-understood issues have arisen with Bush in the last week...Mario Williams is a clean slate

While I agree with ou that Bush PROBABLY will make them regret this move...it's hardly something that's an overtly bad decision.
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I don't think Mario is as good as advertised. He was not impressive in college. He got most of his sacks against bad teams in garbage time. He was playing opposite an absolute stud in Manny Lawson (who I think has a good chance at DROY) and very good defensive tackles. He has great size but I think he's a better fit as a 3-4 end and Houston is switching to a 4-3.I think this will be devastating to the Texans from a fan standpoint. He's a very unsexy pick. The fans were already upset at them dissing hometown favorite Vince Young, and now rather than grabbing the biggest name in college football they grab a defensive end who only had 14 sacks?

Courtney Brown pt. 2.
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I'm not sure where to begin...1) A 6'6", 300 pound, 2-way defensive end isn't an "unsexy" pick

2) Winning is the cure all for fan support

3) One player doesn't hurt ticket sales..again, Houston already sells out every game and is a top 5 revenue team and that's WITH a losing record every year

4) Here's a hint...it's not Mario that was good because of Manny, it's the other way around

5) Only 14 sacks!?!?? He had 14.5 sacks which was 4th in the entire nation. Only seven players in NCAA D-1 had 10 or more sacks this year.

1) Houston is one of the top-five revenue generating teams in the NFL already

2) Houston sells out every game

3) NFL teams don't keep jersey sales, it's split amongst the teams

4) They're not giving Mario Williams a discount
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My phone has been ringing off the hook with Houston fans who are sick to their stomach. The move is definitely going to hurt fan support.
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If NFL GMs based their draft decisions on what the consensus fans wanted, they would be out of their jobs VERY quickly. The Eagles fans hated the McNabb pick. The Colts hated taking James over Ricky Williams. Rams fans hated the selection of Orlando Pace 1st overall. If Mario Williams is as dominant a DE as a great many personnel executives expect, they'll LOVE the guy.
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Bush was the top player on the draft board of 21 of 26 NFL teams polled by The Dallas Morning News this month.http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dw...t.16351f7a.html

 
I agree with Irvin on this point:

"You don't pass on Michael Jordan to draft Patrick Ewing."

:goodposting:
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That's fine -- if you KNOW Bush will be Michael Jordan, which you don't.Bush could have an ACME anvil fall on him after the draft. Nothing is guaranteed.

Wasn't Michael Vick the latest "Michael Jordan"....? He'll never live up to expectations.

 
I agree with Irvin on this point:

"You don't pass on Michael Jordan to draft Patrick Ewing."

:goodposting:
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That's fine -- if you KNOW Bush will be Michael Jordan, which you don't.Bush could have an ACME anvil fall on him after the draft. Nothing is guaranteed.

Wasn't Michael Vick the latest "Michael Jordan"....? He'll never live up to expectations.
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A) you also don't know that Mario is EwingB) Nobody said guaranteed...everything is a game of percentages.

 
Here's a pretty amazing stat:

Mario Williams weighed in at 296; Reggie Bush at 201.

Mario Williams and Reggie Bush both had vertical leaps of 40.5"

:eek:

 
Am I the only one totally shocked?
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I'm shocked only because I just looked up and realized it is 2am.[officially] .... Merry Christmas, everyone! :banned:
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Yep, saw that myself, I have been posting in this thread since around 5pm.....now it is 11 PM, time to go to bed I guess....... :ph34r:
 
Just walked in from a long night out and I'm saying one thing in regards to the Texans organization:

If you draft Mario tomorrow like I've heard, you will NEVER EVER EVER EVER get ONE PENNY from me. You suck, your organization sucks and I will laugh my ### off EVER LOSS you will take next year and in the future.

 
IF someone a month ago told you that your team would trade away their draft picks to land the #1 overall pick and THEN told you they would take Mario, seriously, how would you react?

 
It's confirmed on www.chron.com

Hey, mister loser McNair, me and 4 other friends are NOT going to resign our tickets.

:bye: :bye: :bye: :bye: :bye:

You last place losers!

 
IF someone a month ago told you that your team would trade away their draft picks to land the #1 overall pick and THEN told you they would take Mario, seriously, how would you react?
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Depends - If my team was the seahawks, I'd be okay with it. You know, Mario might just be the best pkayer in the draft.
 
you are dead to me. And I mean Dead with a Capital D! You will NEVER get a cent from me if you #### this up!!!!
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I hope Bob McNair will still be able to afford some of the "little extras" for his wife.
 
IF someone a month ago told you that your team would trade away their draft picks to land the #1 overall pick and THEN told you they would take Mario, seriously, how would you react?
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Depends - If my team was the seahawks, I'd be okay with it. You know, Mario might just be the best pkayer in the draft.
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Yea, I love how NOBODY in ANY draft a month ago had Mario in their top 5. This guy didn't even show up for 50% of his games. Nobody even though of Mario 6 months ago as a top 10.I'm going to enjoy laughing and watching the Texans do NOTHING, meanwhile waching Babbin, Bucanno and Mario do absolutely NOTHING this year.

 
What if the Saints wanted Mario and now Casserly is talking trade with the Saints?
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Newsflash, Mario looks to be a done deal:The Houston Texans signed NC St. defensive end Mario Williams to a six-year, $54 million contract, making him the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft.

$26.5 million is guaranteed. The pick is a gutsy parting shot by GM Charlie Casserly. On paper, it makes a lot of sense. The Texans have an extra pick in the third round and plan to trade up to draft a running back. Coach Gary Kubiak comes from Denver, a team that has done very well plugging in any running back into their zone blocking scheme without using a high draft pick. Freakish defensive ends are much harder to find and Bush's recent scandal may have been the final straw. Owner Bob McNair better hope Williams is real good, real fast, or his fanbase will revolt. Apr. 29 -

 
The Houston Texans signed NC St. defensive end Mario Williams to a six-year, $54 million contract, making him the No. 1 pick in the NFL draft.

$26.5 million is guaranteed. The pick is a gutsy parting shot by GM Charlie Casserly. On paper, it makes a lot of sense. The Texans have an extra pick in the third round and plan to trade up to draft a running back. Coach Gary Kubiak comes from Denver, a team that has done very well plugging in any running back into their zone blocking scheme without using a high draft pick. Freakish defensive ends are much harder to find and Bush's recent scandal may have been the final straw. Owner Bob McNair better hope Williams is real good, real fast, or his fanbase will revolt. Apr. 29 -

:goodposting:

This is just the latest gem the Houston Texans has seem to have performed over their short life.

Which team would you say is the second worst run organization?

 
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I agree with Irvin on this point:

"You don't pass on Michael Jordan to draft Patrick Ewing."
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Irvin has no sense of history (or clue); Jordan and Ewing weren't even drafted in the same year. In addition, Ewing was everyone's top prospect in 1985. In fact, there were allegations that the lottery had been rigged to give the Knicks a better chance to get Ewing. If Irvin wanted to make a meaningful analogy, he could compare Jordan and Olajuwon, but Irvin would still be wrong. Jordan was a good college player, but no one knew he would become what he became; Olajuwon was a more sure-fire prospect. (And in fact is a two-time NBA champion and a Hall of Famer in his own right).

Now, if Irvin wants to argue Jordan vs. Sam Bowie, he might have something useful to say.

 
I agree with Irvin on this point:

"You don't pass on Michael Jordan to draft Patrick Ewing."
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Irvin has no sense of history (or clue); Jordan and Ewing weren't even drafted in the same year. In addition, Ewing was everyone's top prospect in 1985. In fact, there were allegations that the lottery had been rigged to give the Knicks a better chance to get Ewing. If Irvin wanted to make a meaningful analogy, he could compare Jordan and Olajuwon, but Irvin would still be wrong. Jordan was a good college player, but no one knew he would become what he became; Olajuwon was a more sure-fire prospect. (And in fact is a two-time NBA champion and a Hall of Famer in his own right).

Now, if Irvin wants to argue Jordan vs. Sam Bowie, he might have something useful to say.
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I'm having a hard time following the analogy for a ton of reasons. What exactly makes Mario Williams = Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, or well, any NBA center?
 
I agree with Irvin on this point:

"You don't pass on Michael Jordan to draft Patrick Ewing."
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Irvin has no sense of history (or clue); Jordan and Ewing weren't even drafted in the same year. In addition, Ewing was everyone's top prospect in 1985. In fact, there were allegations that the lottery had been rigged to give the Knicks a better chance to get Ewing. If Irvin wanted to make a meaningful analogy, he could compare Jordan and Olajuwon, but Irvin would still be wrong. Jordan was a good college player, but no one knew he would become what he became; Olajuwon was a more sure-fire prospect. (And in fact is a two-time NBA champion and a Hall of Famer in his own right).

Now, if Irvin wants to argue Jordan vs. Sam Bowie, he might have something useful to say.
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I'm having a hard time following the analogy for a ton of reasons. What exactly makes Mario Williams = Patrick Ewing, Hakeem Olajuwon, or well, any NBA center?
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you're missing the point, He's saying Bush is that once in a lifetime player and Mario is a great player...that's all.
 
I don't think there was any chance Mario Williams was going to last to pick #4. Why do people keep saying the Texans could have traded down and took him there? If Bush is the consensus #1 pick in this draft....Mario was #1A. I don't think Ferguson or any QB would have been drafted ahead of him, whether it was New Orleans who wound up taking him or someone else. His stock has risen that much.

I just hope he turns out better than Courtney Brown did.

 
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Do you think Atlanta regrets trading picks that led to LT and Brees for Vick?

Vick is so popular that I bet they don't.

Bush is so electrifying that even if he underperforms like Vick it still would have been good for the Texas franchise. The upside is huge and the downside ain't that bad.

But what the hell do I know?

 
NO, YOU'RE MISSING MY POINT! I'm asking if it is "official." Official meaning that its already locked in stone. I'm not trying to be sarcastic here. I'm asking a serious question: Is this pick now already made and will be enforced NO MATTER WHAT or is this just a verbal committment.

I think this is a key question and very important.
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I'm only halfway through the thread so I'm not sure if this has been answered. But once the league approves the deal, the pick is in the books and the Saints are free to start negotiating with prospective draft choices -- i.e., the Saints are on the clock. The Texans cannot change their minds about drafting Mario Williams any more than they can change their minds about drafting David Carr -- once the deal is signed and approved by the league, the selection is deemed to have been made.
 
Do you think Atlanta regrets trading picks that led to LT and Brees for Vick?

Vick is so popular that I bet they don't.

Bush is so electrifying that even if he underperforms like Vick it still would have been good for the Texas franchise. The upside is huge and the downside ain't that bad.

But what the hell do I know?
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Atlanta didn't trade the Brees pick. Brees was drafted with the 1st pick in the 2nd round, which always belonged to the Chargers.What San Diego got for the #1 pick was:

pick #5 - Tomlinson

a 3rd round pick that year - CB Tay Cody

a 2nd round pick the following year - WR Reche Caldwell

WR Tim Dwight

It was basically Tomlinson for Vick...the other players/picks really didn't wind up doing a whole lot for the franchise.

What San Diego got from the Giants for Eli Manning was much greater than what they got for Michael Vick.

 
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