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This is scary and it's happening.Then we don't have a U.S.A. anymore. If the Republicans can't take the L, maybe it's time.
This is scary and it's happening.Then we don't have a U.S.A. anymore. If the Republicans can't take the L, maybe it's time.
How? They were elected and for the most part have strong support from their constituents.Get rid of every elected official who has supported this crap.
We shall see how it goes, but laws and rules and pieces of paper are only useful when followed. If either party decides to ignore them or challenge the integrity of the process, none of that matters. Both sides represent such huge populations that the country could very easily be divided.Then we don't have a U.S.A. anymore. If the Republicans can't take the L, maybe it's time.
Baby steps closer and closer towards a coup. Trump is pushing hard.The official RNC/GOP Twitter account RT’d Trumps lawyer saying he won in a landslide and they will reclaim the US. I guess that’s an official stance now? Where do we even go from here?
I don't see how he goes to prison. Innocent or guilty, he's too powerful IMO to ever end up in prison. From one perspective, Biden is the one engaging in the coup. Based on my conversations with some people who aren't super politically informed, it seems to be working. They are like "Sure Biden won but what if their was fraud and cheating? Then it shouldn't count." They don't really follow close enough to know if there was or wasn't but the idea has been implanted successfully. It's like Inception. Once an idea is out there, it's almost impossible to stop.Baby steps closer and closer towards a coup. Trump is pushing hard.
It's almost like it's the presidency or prison and Trump knows it. He's acting like a cornered dog.
Everybody that hand counted could have been lying & cheating. We need to investigate them. Let it play out.Hand count is suspicious. Was there any Biden supporters counting it at all? If so.........RECOUNT THE RECOUNT!Georgia hand recount is done. You'll never believe what they found....
Biden still won, negligible change in the vote count.
Hell let Trump recount it himself. Only way to know for sure........
Conspiracy against the United States perhaps?I don't see how he goes to prison. Innocent or guilty, he's too powerful IMO to ever end up in prison. From one perspective, Biden is the one engaging in the coup. Based on my conversations with some people who aren't super politically informed, it seems to be working. They are like "Sure Biden won but what if their was fraud and cheating? Then it shouldn't count." They don't really follow close enough to know if there was or wasn't but the idea has been implanted successfully. It's like Inception. Once an idea is out there, it's almost impossible to stop.
No offense but that is laughable IMO. No way a former President who is this popular and has this much political support goes on trial for conspiracy.Conspiracy against the United States perhaps?
Do people really want to give up on democracy that badly?They are like "Sure Biden won but what if their was fraud and cheating? Then it shouldn't count." They don't really follow close enough to know if there was or wasn't but the idea has been implanted successfully
True. But they must be exposed...and keep pushing the truth over the bs. I still have hope that crap can be defeated.How? They were elected and for the most part have strong support from their constituents.
I don’t think he has enough support for a coup by a long shot. Even Tucker just slammed them for not releasing the evidence they say exists.Baby steps closer and closer towards a coup. Trump is pushing hard.
It's almost like it's the presidency or prison and Trump knows it. He's acting like a cornered dog.
I don't think they see it as giving up on Democracy (nor do they even think that deeply about politics to even consider that), they just hear that maybe Biden cheated and if you thought someone might have cheated, wouldn't you agree they shouldn't win? I think this is a small % but I've heard a couple people I work with say things like this.Do people really want to give up on democracy that badly?
Maybe there's a silver lining and we'll get a new constitution with a parliament, multi-member districts, ranked choice voting, and hard limits on money in politics.
#pipedream
Popular won’t matter to the courts or law enforcement .No offense but that is laughable IMO. No way a former President who is this popular and has this much political support goes on trial for conspiracy.
That is is nice to hear from Tucker. It is more likely to be a shadow that hangs over Biden's Presidency like the Birther thing was with Obama.I don’t think he has enough support for a coup by a long shot. Even Tucker just slammed them for not releasing the evidence they say exists.
It appears the current argument is that today’s press conference was the “opening statement” which indicates that the right knows nothing was released but much was promised.
If/when the claims by DT/Rudy/Powell fall flat, where will his support come from for a coup? The only chance at that having any chance of working is if something massive is found. Otherwise he won’t have any support and everyone will just watch his press conferences, ignore him, and watch him get escorted out in January.
Sorry but I think you live in fantasy land if you believe that.Popular won’t matter to the courts or law enforcement .
I hope you're right. I only have 30 more years on this earth so I'm not to worried about myself but my kids have a lot longer to go.I don’t think he has enough support for a coup by a long shot. Even Tucker just slammed them for not releasing the evidence they say exists.
It appears the current argument is that today’s press conference was the “opening statement” which indicates that the right knows nothing was released but much was promised.
If/when the claims by DT/Rudy/Powell fall flat, where will his support come from for a coup? The only chance at that having any chance of working is if something massive is found. Otherwise he won’t have any support and everyone will just watch his press conferences, ignore him, and watch him get escorted out in January.
Has he won a case yet? Do you think these judges care about his popularity? Do you think the FBI or others will hesitate if ordered by a judge to take him into custody?Sorry but I think you live in fantasy land if you believe that.
It's one thing to rule against him in an election challenge on ballot signatures or something. It's another to put a President in prison for the rest of his life on conspiracy or treason charges.Has he won a case yet? Do you think these judges care about his popularity? Do you think the FBI or others will hesitate if ordered by a judge to take him into custody?
Seems like the evidence would be clear if he was refusing to leave office and trying to run what amounts to a shadow government. They wouldn’t really have a choice.It's one thing to rule against him in an election challenge on ballot signatures or something. It's another to put a President in prison for the rest of his life on conspiracy or treason charges.
That is a way out there worst case scenario level situation but we've definitely hit some uncharted territory where crazier and crazier outcomes become slightly more realistic. If something like that happens here or anywhere, it also means the government has split as well. One person can't just do that on their own. If these really outer range bad outcomes happen, you can't follow our national precedents to predict how things would be handled.Seems like the evidence would be clear if he was refusing to leave office and trying to run what amounts to a shadow government. They wouldn’t really have a choice.
Right. But where I do have faith is in the judiciary.That is a way out there worst case scenario level situation but we've definitely hit some uncharted territory where crazier and crazier outcomes become slightly more realistic. If something like that happens here or anywhere, it also means the government has split as well. One person can't just do that on their own. If these really outer range bad outcomes happen, you can't follow our national precedents to predict how things would be handled.
probably more like 90 million - 60 millionHave we reached the point where looking for the fraud is the fraud? Trump is famous for accusing people of what he guilty of doing.
That's pretty much what roger stone has made a career of, right? It doesn't really matter what the accusation is as long as the next four accusations are louder and in succession. Nobody ever goes..... wait, didn't tucker carlson have some damning evidence on a thumb drive? Whatever happened to that!? Just on to the next "damning evidence". Dominion! Squirrel!!I don't see how he goes to prison. Innocent or guilty, he's too powerful IMO to ever end up in prison. From one perspective, Biden is the one engaging in the coup. Based on my conversations with some people who aren't super politically informed, it seems to be working. They are like "Sure Biden won but what if their was fraud and cheating? Then it shouldn't count." They don't really follow close enough to know if there was or wasn't but the idea has been implanted successfully. It's like Inception. Once an idea is out there, it's almost impossible to stop.
This is sort of like the inverse version of John Oliver's "WE GOT HIM!" shtick. You keep saying something to the effect of "THIS is the thing that will finally cause Trump to lose support!" and then the next day Rudy or some other Trump associate comes along and asks you to hold his beer.It appears the current argument is that today’s press conference was the “opening statement” which indicates that the right knows nothing was released but much was promised.
If/when the claims by DT/Rudy/Powell fall flat, where will his support come from for a coup? The only chance at that having any chance of working is if something massive is found. Otherwise he won’t have any support and everyone will just watch his press conferences, ignore him, and watch him get escorted out in January.
Yeah, it really picks up when the Dominion enters the scene and gets more serial. Sci-fi is at its best when it uses the fantasy to study the human condition and DS9 did a fantastic job exploring the grey areas of morality/war like no other Star Trek. I think I will fire up a couple of episodes tonight.IMO the best episodes are from season 4 on.I just told my wife we should start watching it again since neither of us finished the series. We both stopped after season 3 or so. I've heard really good things about it though.
On what grounds?The general feeling in Michigan from the politicos in State are that neither of the GOP State Board of of Canvassers are going to vote to certify the election results in Michigan.
They don't want to. One of the guys wife was one of the GOP poll challengers in Detroit who signed one of those affidavits saying the count in Detroit was BS or whatever.On what grounds?
Grounds? We ain't got no grounds. We don't need no grounds. I don't have to show you any stinking grounds.On what grounds?The general feeling in Michigan from the politicos in State are that neither of the GOP State Board of of Canvassers are going to vote to certify the election results in Michigan.
Looks like its time for the DNC to start filing suits to force these people to properly do their job. This has passed the point in those places of letting the process play out.They don't want to. One of the guys wife was one of the GOP poll challengers in Detroit who signed one of those affidavits saying the count in Detroit was BS or whatever.
For sure the Dems in Michigan will and if anything, it will go to the Mich Supreme Court but it just goes to show that the Trump POV and MO has leaked all the way down to every level of local government.Looks like its time for the DNC to start filing suits to force these people to properly do their job. This has passed the point in those places of letting the process play out.
That's a thing? You can just refuse to certify with no justification?They don't want to. One of the guys wife was one of the GOP poll challengers in Detroit who signed one of those affidavits saying the count in Detroit was BS or whatever.
IDK the rules because this kind of thing has never happened before but I assume if they hold a vote, that means the voters can vote no. Otherwise there wouldn't be a vote.That's a thing? You can just refuse to certify with no justification?
This is getting ridiculous.The general feeling in Michigan from the politicos in State are that neither of the GOP State Board of of Canvassers are going to vote to certify the election results in Michigan.
We shall see how it goes, maybe they are wrong. Though the Michigan GOP leaders flying to DC to meet with Trump isn't a great sign IMO.This is getting ridiculous.
Sure, why not? Rules don't mean anything anymore.That's a thing? You can just refuse to certify with no justification?They don't want to. One of the guys wife was one of the GOP poll challengers in Detroit who signed one of those affidavits saying the count in Detroit was BS or whatever.
Welcome to 1/20/2016. We have a lot of catching up to do you and I.This is getting ridiculous.
Obviously the recount was riggedHand count is suspicious. Was there any Biden supporters counting it at all? If so.........RECOUNT THE RECOUNT!
Hell let Trump recount it himself. Only way to know for sure........
Absolutely. Btw - Trump isn’t unique.....that is a trait of most narcissists.Have we reached the point where looking for the fraud is the fraud? Trump is famous for accusing people of what he guilty of doing.
100% this. People keep discounting what you are saying about the worst possible outcomes....but that’s what people in other failed democracies thought too.Is everybody still laughing at the prospects of civil war?
I'm going to stock up on necessities tomorrow I think. We have 2 more months of this well at least 3-4 weeks of this. I mean at this point would it surprise anybody if there was a group of 20-30 thousand armed Trump supporters out front of the WH the day Trump is supposed to leave?
It would surprise me.Is everybody still laughing at the prospects of civil war?
I'm going to stock up on necessities tomorrow I think. We have 2 more months of this well at least 3-4 weeks of this. I mean at this point would it surprise anybody if there was a group of 20-30 thousand armed Trump supporters out front of the WH the day Trump is supposed to leave?
Or face the prospect of facing the United States military.It would surprise me.
Those 20-30K people don't want to get rounded up and thrown in D.C. jails.