I am watching every Bond movie: please kill me (1 Viewer)

[tdoss]

Who gives a damn how much money Brosnan's films made.

He just about singlehandedly destroyed this franchise.

Macarena and Gangnam Style made a lot of money...is that somehow a reflection on their value to music?

I get physically angry over that sun laser beam movie of his...it's the very bottom of the bucket.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Who gives a damn how much money Brosnan's films made.

He just about singlehandedly destroyed this franchise.

Macarena and Gangnam Style made a lot of money...is that somehow a reflection on their value to music?

I get physically angry over that sun laser beam movie of his...it's the very bottom of the bucket.

There is no way it's worse than Dr. Christmas Jones. Holy hell, was she terrible. Literally couldn't finish the movie last time it was on.

 

[tdoss]

Who gives a damn how much money Brosnan's films made.

He just about singlehandedly destroyed this franchise.

Macarena and Gangnam Style made a lot of money...is that somehow a reflection on their value to music?

I get physically angry over that sun laser beam movie of his...it's the very bottom of the bucket.

There is no way it's worse than Dr. Christmas Jones. Holy hell, was she terrible. Literally couldn't finish the movie last time it was on.

That is one helluva one-two punch isn't it?

Back to back awful.

As for the good doctor...I couldn't stop thinking of "Wild Things" whenever she was on screen.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Who gives a damn how much money Brosnan's films made.

He just about singlehandedly destroyed this franchise.

Macarena and Gangnam Style made a lot of money...is that somehow a reflection on their value to music?

I get physically angry over that sun laser beam movie of his...it's the very bottom of the bucket.

I remember when they announced Brosnan as the new Bond. I thought that they were changing Bond to "License to Cry".

He was always too wimpy to play Bond.

 

[Porkchop Express]

Who gives a damn how much money Brosnan's films made.

He just about singlehandedly destroyed this franchise.

Macarena and Gangnam Style made a lot of money...is that somehow a reflection on their value to music?

I get physically angry over that sun laser beam movie of his...it's the very bottom of the bucket.

I remember when they announced Brosnan as the new Bond. I thought that they were changing Bond to "License to Cry".

He was always too wimpy to play Bond.

Yeah he always seemed more like a model than a gritty spy.

 

[Gr00vus]

You guys doing a great job motivating Cappy to finish this deal.

 

[Statcruncher]

Agree with Brosnan not being a good fit, good looking guy but runs like a girl. I laugh every time I see him running.

 

[Insein]

You guys doing a great job motivating Cappy to finish this deal.

The production value of the brosnan movies takes a steaming dump on the bad Moore movies. I can casually watch those terrible movies without losing my sanity where as the 70's and 80's just feels uncomfortable to watch... Physically.

 

[Gr00vus]

You guys doing a great job motivating Cappy to finish this deal.

The production value of the brosnan movies takes a steaming dump on the bad Moore movies. I can casually watch those terrible movies without losing my sanity where as the 70's and 80's just feels uncomfortable to watch... Physically.

I suggest upgrading your couch/chair situation.

 

[Eephus]

Since Capella is never going to make it through a View to a Kill and this thread will die spectacularly in a blimp explosion, I'm going to post my thesis on Dalton and Brosnan now.

Dalton to Brosnan was the least abrupt change in consecutive 007s. They bore a physical resemblance to each other, were about the same age when they took their turn at bat and portrayed the role in similar ways. There was no dramatic shift in style or age as there was in the other times the part switched hands.

Because the Bond films are a star vehicle, people always focus on the actors portraying 007. The real change that happened between Licence to Kill and Goldeneye took place on the other side of the camera. The 007 film franchise had been remarkably stable in its first three decades. Five directors helmed the first sixteen movies. Three of them (Terence Young, Guy Hamilton, Lewis Gilbert) were veterans of the British studio systems. They weren't auteurs, they were men who could bring a production in on schedule and on budget. The other two directors (Peter Hunt, John Glen) were veterans of the Universal Exports farm system, serving as editor and second unit director of multiple Bond films. This lead to tremendous continuity in how the films looked. Similarly, screenwriter Richard Maibaum worked on every Connery/Moore/Dalton movie except one. The character of James Bond evolved but his lines and the plot lines passed through Maibaum's hands.

This all changed with Goldeneye. Cubby Broccoli wasn't heavily involved in the production and died shortly after release. Maibaum had also died since Licence to Kill. The new producers went away from John Glen who had directed the previous five movies. The director they picked Martin Campbell had never worked on a Bond movie before. His experience was mostly in TV and he wasn't even British. All the Brosnan films were directed by different people including guys like Michael Apted and Lee Tamahori who had been successful with films in very different genres. Their results were mixed IMO but the visual style was different from the earlier movies.

The other big change in the Pierce Bonds was greatly improved production values. The budget of Goldeneye was 50% higher than Licence to Kill and it doubled again by two movies later. The money showed on screen. Compare the pre-credit sequences of Octo##### and Tomorrow Never Dies. Both involve 007 in an airplane but the earlier film looks cheesy in comparison. I'm not sure the extra money helped the movies all that much overall. The scripts were more action driven than ever before and served mostly as a bridge between action set pieces. The villains of the Brosnan movies are pretty awful and the plots are convoluted. Goldeneye and The World is Not Enough had interesting angles in the 008 and Elektra subplots but they got buried in the larger storylines. I think the main reason why Casino Royale succeeded because they pared down the plot. The action sequences were still there but there was enough room for Craig to make his 007 breathe a little. The series has been successful for so long because audiences like the character. They really don't care as much about the death rays and other assorted fiendish plots (at least I don't).

 

[B Maverick]

I admit, I liked Brosnan as 007. Earliest memories were of Moore though. No real feeling on Dalton since I dont really recall watching them.

Heck, I am a fan but have only seen a few of them more then once and some of them not at all. May need to do my own bond marathon.

 

[James Bond]

Probably doesn't surprise anyone that I disagree about Brosnan not being a good Bond. So no, I won't change my avatar. Having read all of the books and seen all of the movies, I think he does the second best at fitting the look and role of Bond. Obviously, Connery is the gold standard. Lazenby was a throwaway, and I agree that Moore was a bit too campy for my liking, although he had his moments. Dalton suffered from only having two films and weak ones at that. I admit that although a blond Bond didn't fit Fleming's profile, Craig has grown in his performance of Bond and brings an interesting updated interpretation. I think in my mind the films that are not based on the books (like From Russia with Love, the single best Bond film in my opinion) are at a disadvantage in comparison with those that did have books. So much is left to goofy story lines and often unnecessary special effects. Of course, even some of the book based films (like Moonraker) suffered from this too. And having one hand tied behind your back based upon ridiculous Bond girls (like Denise Richards and Halle Berry) makes a big difference as well. It will be interesting to see how SPECTRE and beyond looks as Bond moves on with the new M, Q, and Moneypenny.

 

[Capella]

Text from the wife:

"Bond movie tonight?"

WE ARE BACK BABY

 

[Capella]

Her tune just changed when I said we still have one more Moore movie. "What? We're done with him. I thought you said we were done."

 

[Capella]

UPDATE: sounds like I need to do a view to kill on my own time.

Going to Dalton tonight.

 

[Charlie Steiner]

Mark me down as one of the few who thought Dalton was fine as Bond. I think in retrospect, The Living Daylights has some prophetic elemets to it. License to Kill was goofy, but fairly well-acted goofiness. Maybe it's not liked because it didn't seem to wink at itself the way the Moore movies of the 70's seemed to, but I didn't think it had to.

P.S.--Are you sure she didn't mean 'Bond-age' movie, as in Shades of Grey? It may be a trap...

 

[Tom Servo]

P.S.--Are you sure she didn't mean 'Bond-age' movie, as in Shades of Grey? It may be a trap...

For who?

 

[TheAristocrat]

I still love this thread.

 

[tdoss]

Ah man...can't believe you're breaking the streak.

This feat deserves an asterisk...

 

[Capella]

Ah man...can't believe you're breaking the streak.

This feat deserves an asterisk...

Nah. She's working tomorrow so I am watching it then. Consider it a momentary time jump.

 

[Bogart]

Ah man...can't believe you're breaking the streak.

This feat deserves an asterisk...

Nah. She's working tomorrow so I am watching it then. Consider it a momentary time jump.

It probably won't make sense once you start jumping around.

 

[Capella]

"Is that supposed to be the new Bond? Oh no. No he's not attractive at all. Geez."

Guess we'll be on to Bronson and Craig soon enough.

 

[Capella]

This theme song does sum up the 80s well.

 

[Capella]

Cheers to that fighter jet that went straight up and out of the dome before slowly taking off.

 

[Capella]

Wow we have drastically changed Moneypennys.

 

[Capella]

He kind of looks like Don Draper.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Mark me down as one of the few who thought Dalton was fine as Bond. I think in retrospect, The Living Daylights has some prophetic elemets to it. License to Kill was goofy, but fairly well-acted goofiness. Maybe it's not liked because it didn't seem to wink at itself the way the Moore movies of the 70's seemed to, but I didn't think it had to.

P.S.--Are you sure she didn't mean 'Bond-age' movie, as in Shades of Grey? It may be a trap...

Dalton was perfect as Bond. I really liked Living Daylights but License To Kill was bad.

 

[Insein]

Mark me down as one of the few who thought Dalton was fine as Bond. I think in retrospect, The Living Daylights has some prophetic elemets to it. License to Kill was goofy, but fairly well-acted goofiness. Maybe it's not liked because it didn't seem to wink at itself the way the Moore movies of the 70's seemed to, but I didn't think it had to.

P.S.--Are you sure she didn't mean 'Bond-age' movie, as in Shades of Grey? It may be a trap...

Dalton was perfect as Bond. I really liked Living Daylights but License To Kill was bad.

Yes but through no fault of his own. The plot was awful, the villain ridiculous and the women only mildly attractive.

 

[Ilov80s]

Text from the wife:

"Bond movie tonight?"

WE ARE BACK BABY

I took your for dead or divorced. This woman is a keeper. You on the other hand....

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Mark me down as one of the few who thought Dalton was fine as Bond. I think in retrospect, The Living Daylights has some prophetic elemets to it. License to Kill was goofy, but fairly well-acted goofiness. Maybe it's not liked because it didn't seem to wink at itself the way the Moore movies of the 70's seemed to, but I didn't think it had to.

P.S.--Are you sure she didn't mean 'Bond-age' movie, as in Shades of Grey? It may be a trap...

Dalton was perfect as Bond. I really liked Living Daylights but License To Kill was bad.

Yes but through no fault of his own. The plot was awful, the villain ridiculous and the women only mildly attractive.

Agreed

 

[Charlie Steiner]

Mark me down as one of the few who thought Dalton was fine as Bond. I think in retrospect, The Living Daylights has some prophetic elemets to it. License to Kill was goofy, but fairly well-acted goofiness. Maybe it's not liked because it didn't seem to wink at itself the way the Moore movies of the 70's seemed to, but I didn't think it had to.

P.S.--Are you sure she didn't mean 'Bond-age' movie, as in Shades of Grey? It may be a trap...

Dalton was perfect as Bond. I really liked Living Daylights but License To Kill was bad.

Yes but through no fault of his own. The plot was awful, the villain ridiculous and the women only mildly attractive.

I'll concede that neither of the women were memorable Bond girls, but the plot wasn't awful. Convoluted, maybe, but not awful. As for the villian,

Spoiler

Remember, Wayne Newton's character wasn't the main villian, he was just a front for the villian's operation. Robert Davi's character was the main villian. Plus, his top flunkies were Benicio Del Toro and the guy that played Jimmy in that Seinfeld episode. How can you NOT like that lineup?

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Mark me down as one of the few who thought Dalton was fine as Bond. I think in retrospect, The Living Daylights has some prophetic elemets to it. License to Kill was goofy, but fairly well-acted goofiness. Maybe it's not liked because it didn't seem to wink at itself the way the Moore movies of the 70's seemed to, but I didn't think it had to.

P.S.--Are you sure she didn't mean 'Bond-age' movie, as in Shades of Grey? It may be a trap...

Dalton was perfect as Bond. I really liked Living Daylights but License To Kill was bad.

Yes but through no fault of his own. The plot was awful, the villain ridiculous and the women only mildly attractive.

See, I liked License to Kill a lot more than Living Daylights. I thought both women were very attractive. Maybe not better than d'Abo, but still hot. I also thought Dalton was a lot better. More gritty and real.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Is there a Bond movie that could truly be said to stick to the character, plot and style of any particular Fleming book?

 

[Christo]

Is there a Bond movie that could truly be said to stick to the character, plot and style of any particular Fleming book?

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE BOOKS!

 

[Capella]

Daylights was a fun movie! Definitely in my top half. Will do power rankings later after I watch the last Moore #### sandwich.

 

[Insein]

Mark me down as one of the few who thought Dalton was fine as Bond. I think in retrospect, The Living Daylights has some prophetic elemets to it. License to Kill was goofy, but fairly well-acted goofiness. Maybe it's not liked because it didn't seem to wink at itself the way the Moore movies of the 70's seemed to, but I didn't think it had to.

P.S.--Are you sure she didn't mean 'Bond-age' movie, as in Shades of Grey? It may be a trap...

Dalton was perfect as Bond. I really liked Living Daylights but License To Kill was bad.

Yes but through no fault of his own. The plot was awful, the villain ridiculous and the women only mildly attractive.

See, I liked License to Kill a lot more than Living Daylights. I thought both women were very attractive. Maybe not better than d'Abo, but still hot. I also thought Dalton was a lot better. More gritty and real.

I like Dalton but License to kill was campy and gritty. It needed to pick one or the other.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

Mark me down as one of the few who thought Dalton was fine as Bond. I think in retrospect, The Living Daylights has some prophetic elemets to it. License to Kill was goofy, but fairly well-acted goofiness. Maybe it's not liked because it didn't seem to wink at itself the way the Moore movies of the 70's seemed to, but I didn't think it had to.

P.S.--Are you sure she didn't mean 'Bond-age' movie, as in Shades of Grey? It may be a trap...

Dalton was perfect as Bond. I really liked Living Daylights but License To Kill was bad.

Yes but through no fault of his own. The plot was awful, the villain ridiculous and the women only mildly attractive.

See, I liked License to Kill a lot more than Living Daylights. I thought both women were very attractive. Maybe not better than d'Abo, but still hot. I also thought Dalton was a lot better. More gritty and real.

I like Dalton but License to kill was campy and gritty. It needed to pick one or the other.

Really, if you combine campy and gritty, I guess you get crappy.

I might just have bad Bond taste.

 

[Mr. Mojo]

Mark me down as one of the few who thought Dalton was fine as Bond. I think in retrospect, The Living Daylights has some prophetic elemets to it. License to Kill was goofy, but fairly well-acted goofiness. Maybe it's not liked because it didn't seem to wink at itself the way the Moore movies of the 70's seemed to, but I didn't think it had to.

P.S.--Are you sure she didn't mean 'Bond-age' movie, as in Shades of Grey? It may be a trap...

Dalton was perfect as Bond. I really liked Living Daylights but License To Kill was bad.

Yes but through no fault of his own. The plot was awful, the villain ridiculous and the women only mildly attractive.

See, I liked License to Kill a lot more than Living Daylights. I thought both women were very attractive. Maybe not better than d'Abo, but still hot. I also thought Dalton was a lot better. More gritty and real.

I like Dalton but License to kill was campy and gritty. It needed to pick one or the other.

Really, if you combine campy and gritty, I guess you get crappy.

I might just have bad Bond taste.

It's OK. I was attacked here when I said I thought that Eva Green looked like pretty plain in Casino Royale.

 

[Capella]

A View to Kill is unwatchable. Like, I literally couldn't watch it. I got 45 minutes into it, fell asleep, woke up during some fight scene, fell asleep again, then came back during the credits.

I'm going to count it.

1. From Russia

2. Goldfiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinger (he's just too much!)

3. Dr. No

4. You Only Live Twice

5. Thunderball

6. The Spy Who Loved Me

7. The Man With The Golden Gun

8. The Living Daylights

9. Moonraker

10. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

11. Diamonds Are Forever

12. Live and Let Die

13. For Your Eyes Only

14. Octo#####

15. A View to Kill

 

[Capella]

http://themoviebox.net/7072

 

[tdoss]

A View to Kill is unwatchable. Like, I literally couldn't watch it. I got 45 minutes into it, fell asleep, woke up during some fight scene, fell asleep again, then came back during the credits.

I'm going to count it.

1. From Russia

2. Goldfiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinger (he's just too much!)

3. Dr. No

4. You Only Live Twice

5. Thunderball

6. The Spy Who Loved Me

7. The Man With The Golden Gun

8. The Living Daylights

9. Moonraker

10. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

11. Diamonds Are Forever

12. Live and Let Die

13. For Your Eyes Only

14. Octo#####

15. A View to Kill

I guess with today's p.e.d. use and cheating scandals...this might as well count also.

 

[Capella]

A View to Kill is unwatchable. Like, I literally couldn't watch it. I got 45 minutes into it, fell asleep, woke up during some fight scene, fell asleep again, then came back during the credits.

I'm going to count it.

1. From Russia

2. Goldfiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinger (he's just too much!)

3. Dr. No

4. You Only Live Twice

5. Thunderball

6. The Spy Who Loved Me

7. The Man With The Golden Gun

8. The Living Daylights

9. Moonraker

10. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

11. Diamonds Are Forever

12. Live and Let Die

13. For Your Eyes Only

14. Octo#####

15. A View to Kill

I guess with today's p.e.d. use and cheating scandals...this might as well count also.

Sometimes you just need a boost.

 

[The Man With No Name]

Did you watch any Brosnan Bond's yet?

 

[TheAristocrat]

A View to Kill is unwatchable. Like, I literally couldn't watch it. I got 45 minutes into it, fell asleep, woke up during some fight scene, fell asleep again, then came back during the credits.

I'm going to count it.

1. From Russia

2. Goldfiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinger (he's just too much!)

3. Dr. No

4. You Only Live Twice

5. Thunderball

6. The Spy Who Loved Me

7. The Man With The Golden Gun

8. The Living Daylights

9. Moonraker

10. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

11. Diamonds Are Forever

12. Live and Let Die

13. For Your Eyes Only

14. Octo#####

15. A View to Kill

 

[B Maverick]

Guessing the wife put her foot down? No more Bond

 

[tdoss]

Knew it couldn't be done.

 

[RedmondLonghorn]

A View to Kill is unwatchable. Like, I literally couldn't watch it. I got 45 minutes into it, fell asleep, woke up during some fight scene, fell asleep again, then came back during the credits.

I'm going to count it.

1. From Russia

2. Goldfiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinger (he's just too much!)

3. Dr. No

4. You Only Live Twice

5. Thunderball

6. The Spy Who Loved Me

7. The Man With The Golden Gun

8. The Living Daylights

9. Moonraker

10. On Her Majesty's Secret Service

11. Diamonds Are Forever

12. Live and Let Die

13. For Your Eyes Only

14. Octo#####

15. A View to Kill

Live and Let Die is a huge value pick here.

 

[flapgreen]

Knew it couldn't be done.

nope

 

[Eephus]

Live and Let Die is a huge value pick here.

I think the central conceit of watching the movies in order really penalized Live and Let Die. If Capella watched the Moore films in reverse order, he'd think Live and Let Die was Citizen Kane.

There's nothing in the Connery/Lazenby era that prepares the viewer for the cheesy, crazy goodness that is Live and Let Die. Roger Bond was as much a reboot of the character as Craig Bond was so applying the standards of the previous films doesn't make much sense. I admit I hold a special fondness for Live and Let Die because it's the first 007 movie but I prefer its total off the wall approach to the mixed serious/jokey tone of the series' next two decades.

 

[Brady Marino]

Live and Let Die is a huge value pick here.

I think the central conceit of watching the movies in order really penalized Live and Let Die. If Capella watched the Moore films in reverse order, he'd think Live and Let Die was Citizen Kane.

There's nothing in the Connery/Lazenby era that prepares the viewer for the cheesy, crazy goodness that is Live and Let Die. Roger Bond was as much a reboot of the character as Craig Bond was so applying the standards of the previous films doesn't make much sense. I admit I hold a special fondness for Live and Let Die because it's the first 007 movie but I prefer its total off the wall approach to the mixed serious/jokey tone of the series' next two decades.

Also, Jane Seymour was arguably the hottest Bond chick ever. That sways my fondness for the movie in a fairly large way.