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ImTheScientist
Footballguy
No they do not. With Direct TV and the Internet those with the access to the information the fastest are the most helpful.
I assume people just ask because homers are more likely to keep up with the info even if its online.
Crusaderfan
Footballguy
I think I know far more about the Eagles, my local team, than I do other teams. EXCEPT I was shocked like everybody else when Westbrook sat the monday night game. I don't think anybody outside the organization saw that coming.
I think talk radio has a lot to do with it. For instance, I've been in Florida all week and all I hear is constant TB Bucs talk on the radio. I've heard Ronde Barber on the radio along with Brooks. I think I know more about the Bucs now than I would have being home this week.
Willie
I think talk radio has a lot to do with it. For instance, I've been in Florida all week and all I hear is constant TB Bucs talk on the radio. I've heard Ronde Barber on the radio along with Brooks. I think I know more about the Bucs now than I would have being home this week.
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Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
I think the access to information is about the same, but homers may be more likely to have heard information or paid attention to it. They may also have better insight on which local sources are more reputable than others.
If anyone wants to, they can get a lot of this information on their own, and tools like the blogger and this board, and NFLN, etc. continue to make the task easier, but it's still daunting to do in-depth research on all 32 teams.
If anyone wants to, they can get a lot of this information on their own, and tools like the blogger and this board, and NFLN, etc. continue to make the task easier, but it's still daunting to do in-depth research on all 32 teams.
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Snotbubbles
Footballguy
Me personally, I know more about my home team than any other. If you have the time to watch everygame from start to finish. Read about every little happening with each team. Watch all the news conferences. Listen to all the talk radio stations where the players have their own shows.
Big Score
Footballguy
Absolutely they do. Well...the hardcore homers anyway.
For example, I went to quite a few Falcon Mini Camps & Training Camps over the summer.
I KNEW Vick would be running a ton this year, just from what I saw. When Duckett got traded there were all sorts of outlandish posts on how Dunn would get all of his carries & goal line looks.
I mentioned that Vick was going to be an even bigger part of the running game this year & the Falcons had some specific goal line run plays designed for him, so don't automatically transfer Ducketts carries, goal line or otherwise, to Dunn. I also got a good look at Norwood & knew he was a big reason the Falcons were comfortable in trading Duckett and he would get some of Ducketts touches.
A couple of the responses were laughing at me saying that Vick would have designed running plays, let alone designed goal line run plays. That there was no way the Coaches would ever go for that, because of the injury risk to Vick.
Sometimes it pays to listen to the homers
For example, I went to quite a few Falcon Mini Camps & Training Camps over the summer.
I KNEW Vick would be running a ton this year, just from what I saw. When Duckett got traded there were all sorts of outlandish posts on how Dunn would get all of his carries & goal line looks.
I mentioned that Vick was going to be an even bigger part of the running game this year & the Falcons had some specific goal line run plays designed for him, so don't automatically transfer Ducketts carries, goal line or otherwise, to Dunn. I also got a good look at Norwood & knew he was a big reason the Falcons were comfortable in trading Duckett and he would get some of Ducketts touches.
A couple of the responses were laughing at me saying that Vick would have designed running plays, let alone designed goal line run plays. That there was no way the Coaches would ever go for that, because of the injury risk to Vick.
Sometimes it pays to listen to the homers
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trader jake
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Most of us here know a great deal about all 32 NFL teams, but who doesn't know more about "their team" than any of the other 31?
Homers often know more...especially with sleeper players and situations where opportunities might be opening up for a new player.
Homers often know more...especially with sleeper players and situations where opportunities might be opening up for a new player.
Bull Dozier
Footballguy
I think locals can potentially have more knowledge, but it is all relative based on how much people pay attention. If you compare two guys who casually follow, the local will know more just based on the local columnists, and hearing local reports. If you compare two guys who watch the NFL network 24 hours a day, the difference will be zero. It's a sliding scale.
I think homers are usually less surprised by some "big news" just because to locals, sometimes the writing is on the wall, but nothing is clear enough to post on a message board for instance.
I think homers are usually less surprised by some "big news" just because to locals, sometimes the writing is on the wall, but nothing is clear enough to post on a message board for instance.
Whizzinator
Footballguy
The other question is whether the extra knowledge some homers have exceeds the bias most all of have involving our own team.
I agree that, as far as access to information goes, we're all equal. The big question is whether we actually ACCESS that information or not. I can tell you that Philly homers read more of the philly papers than I do, for instance. Still, I've long maintained that if you want to be SSOG, this is all you need:
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos
Pay special attention to Jeff Legwold. He's the best.
On the other hand, while everyone has access to the information, homers tend to have a better grasp on how it affects the team, because they're naturally more familiar with the team. I mean, anyone can read what Shanahan says, but homers tend to have a better understanding of what he means by it, just because they've had more experience with dealing with Shanahan quotes. Also, Homers are better at picking up trends, because they're paying attention every week rather than just from time to time. For instance, you might see Heap's bad game last week and think of it as an isolated incident, whereas I watch Denver so often I know that they *shut down* stud TEs like nobody's business.
Another advantage homers bring is that, since they read EVERYTHING, they remember older articles and such. If you go looking for stuff on Westbrook's injury, you'll find the articles written in the last week, while homers might remember a piece written a month ago that had a nice tidbit in it.
The final advantage homers offer is analysis of the games themselves, rather than the news. For instance, newspapers are fine and all, and game logs are great for getting stats, but a homer's likely to know that Jake Plummer had a horrible game in week 1, not because he was playing poorly, but because his offensive line was buying him no time, his receivers were dropping lots of passes, and St. Louis was selling out against the run to keep him inside the pocket. Likewise, I can tell you that a large reason why Denver does so well against stud TEs is because they sometimes put Champ Bailey on them, but that isn't always the case. For instance, in the first 6-8 games last year, Bailey was too injured to match up against the more physical TEs, and this year he's staying more on one side of the field than on any particular receiver. The reason Denver has shut down stud TEs in those games is because they use what they call a "Big Nickle" (2 LBs, 2 CBs, 3 Safeties), giving them a more physical DB to shadow the TE.
Anyway, long story short... while any non-homer could absolutely get all of the information themselves, no way are they going to access such a huge volume of data for all 32 teams, and even if they did, they still wouldn't be able to process it all. The result is that homers are a very valuable tool.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/nfl/
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos
Pay special attention to Jeff Legwold. He's the best.
On the other hand, while everyone has access to the information, homers tend to have a better grasp on how it affects the team, because they're naturally more familiar with the team. I mean, anyone can read what Shanahan says, but homers tend to have a better understanding of what he means by it, just because they've had more experience with dealing with Shanahan quotes. Also, Homers are better at picking up trends, because they're paying attention every week rather than just from time to time. For instance, you might see Heap's bad game last week and think of it as an isolated incident, whereas I watch Denver so often I know that they *shut down* stud TEs like nobody's business.
Another advantage homers bring is that, since they read EVERYTHING, they remember older articles and such. If you go looking for stuff on Westbrook's injury, you'll find the articles written in the last week, while homers might remember a piece written a month ago that had a nice tidbit in it.
The final advantage homers offer is analysis of the games themselves, rather than the news. For instance, newspapers are fine and all, and game logs are great for getting stats, but a homer's likely to know that Jake Plummer had a horrible game in week 1, not because he was playing poorly, but because his offensive line was buying him no time, his receivers were dropping lots of passes, and St. Louis was selling out against the run to keep him inside the pocket. Likewise, I can tell you that a large reason why Denver does so well against stud TEs is because they sometimes put Champ Bailey on them, but that isn't always the case. For instance, in the first 6-8 games last year, Bailey was too injured to match up against the more physical TEs, and this year he's staying more on one side of the field than on any particular receiver. The reason Denver has shut down stud TEs in those games is because they use what they call a "Big Nickle" (2 LBs, 2 CBs, 3 Safeties), giving them a more physical DB to shadow the TE.
Anyway, long story short... while any non-homer could absolutely get all of the information themselves, no way are they going to access such a huge volume of data for all 32 teams, and even if they did, they still wouldn't be able to process it all. The result is that homers are a very valuable tool.
You haven't spent much time around here.
coolnerd
Footballguy
I would say the main reason that a "homer" would have more information than others is a matter of concentration. although I now live a four hour drive from Houston since i stream Houston radio stations, moderate on the official board, and regularly read the chron online I know more about the Texans because of focus on them. I probably know where to go to get the information for the Texans better other teams and on occassion get some "insider" info that may not be widely known.
The other time it matters is when breaking news is literally happening. When the owen's overddose was happening I got quicker info because I was listening and watching locally to Dallas media, but that is only a matter minutes before the stories hit the internet and others streamed the same radio station that I normally listen to.
So, yes if you want info you can find it with even the best well connected homer probably only has 10-15% advantage of information.
The other time it matters is when breaking news is literally happening. When the owen's overddose was happening I got quicker info because I was listening and watching locally to Dallas media, but that is only a matter minutes before the stories hit the internet and others streamed the same radio station that I normally listen to.
So, yes if you want info you can find it with even the best well connected homer probably only has 10-15% advantage of information.
Sidewinder
Footballguy
I tend to agree with this. Plus the local radio sports talk guys or newspaper beat writers that cover a team day after day typically provide some insight and info that doesn't necessarily make it into the mainstream media.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
I absolutely thought Cromartie would be playing by game #2 when they drafted him based on how the SD CB's looked last year. MT/tommygunz actually went to training camps and said that while Cromartie was looking good, Florence had been getting a lot of reps with the starting unit and playing well. It cooled my expectations of Cromartie in IDP leagues.... or at least influenced me enough to think I could probably pick him up midseason cheaper than I could get him before the season began. So far Florence remains entrenched as the starter and at this point I'm not sure Cromartie will wrestle the job away from him.
As with all other information on the web, depends on the source. There are some homers info that I trust more than others. BTW, thanks MT and gunz. It's pretty difficult to get training camp info unless you get the inside scoop from someone that actually attended. There's so much coach-speak that time of year I disregard most of what is quoted from coaches.
As with all other information on the web, depends on the source. There are some homers info that I trust more than others. BTW, thanks MT and gunz. It's pretty difficult to get training camp info unless you get the inside scoop from someone that actually attended. There's so much coach-speak that time of year I disregard most of what is quoted from coaches.
valhallan
Footballguy
Just because something is reported doesn't mean it's true. Homers can help us sift through the nonsense.
pantagrapher
Footballguy
Homers are part of the reason there's so much good team info on the internet.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
I laugh when I see someone think they know as much or more about my team than I do. "But, I can watch all the tv replays, I can see all the stats, I know as much as you do." blah blah blahA weel informed homer is my best friend on these boards. This is why I started the thread ecently about who is everyones go-to guy on these boards. So, I could have that info in my back pocket.
Kleck.
Footballguy
I'm going to agree with the ones that say homers do for many of the reasons posted above.
There is plenty of info out there, more now than ever, and the gap may have narrowed some, but I do believe there will always be that small gap. You don't have to be a homer to have a good understanding about a team, but most homers will pay a liitle more attention to details... Spend those extra hours watching "B" rate local TV sports shows and listening to all the gossip and other homer crap on local sports radio shows.
There is plenty of info out there, more now than ever, and the gap may have narrowed some, but I do believe there will always be that small gap. You don't have to be a homer to have a good understanding about a team, but most homers will pay a liitle more attention to details... Spend those extra hours watching "B" rate local TV sports shows and listening to all the gossip and other homer crap on local sports radio shows.
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