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Indefinite Las Vegas Raiders thread (4 Viewers)
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DocHolliday
Footballguy
I just saw all the NFL scores a few minutes ago. I never even thought about football yesterday. It’s so nice.
Good loss by the Raiders. They need to lose out the rest of the season to start the rebuild. This team has so many holes due to all the poor drafts and poor personnel decisions,including Adams, that the rebuild is not going to be quick.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Is Fields the answer though? The Raiders need to rethink the position with higher aspirations don't they?
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Maxx won’t be a Raider in 2025. THe Raiders have been one of the worst run organizations for 20 years. They don’t have a plan which is why they end up bringing in a guy like Adams for no solid reasoning. Most teams would learn from their mistakes, such as Mack, but the Raiders will continue to repeat the mistakes.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Of course not. But he’s better than super trooper and the festival king. And he would have been more attractive to an incoming OC
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
O’Connell out 4-6 weeks. Minshew to infinity and beyond in draft picks
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Build the right team. The Raiders need to figure out how to hit on a QB this off-season and having a top first round pick is a start. If they screw that up, then it's purgatory. In addition to that, they have to build the OL and WR. This isn't going to happen with one draft and FA signings. No coach is going to fix this. The GM needs to fix this.
joey
Footballguy
I just went looking at the raiders roster to see who our 3rd string QB is….do we not have a 3rd QB?
how don’t we have a developmental QB on our roster? I must be missing something, right?
Max Power
Footballguy
I think he was a better option than how their offseason played out. 13th pick wasn't a great spot to land a QB this past draft.
I think they win enough games to not get the first or second QB off the board again.
Long road ahead for this Franchise.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Thanks for the scintillating insight. I have no idea why you come in here and pontificate on the obvious. May as well throw in a haircut for Tommy boy. (Not Brady)
Getsy is garbage. The available qbs were different levels of garbage. I wanted Russ
and fields. Both are better than minshew aND AOC. Neither elevates this team to super elite status. 
But they might be more watchable. ETA: and getting fields would have meant no Getsy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
There was a scrub qb that landed on the PS. No idea what his name was.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Besides insulting me, the bolded part of your post is the most important. Think about that for a moment. Why not to aspire for better than just watchable?Thanks for the scintillating insight. I have no idea why you come in here and pontificate on the obvious. May as well throw in a haircut for Tommy boy. (Not Brady)
Getsy is garbage. The available qbs were different levels of garbage. I wanted Russ
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Dumb
The asking price for Maxx would be ridiculous to the point no team would do it. As one source put it... they would not just ask for the kitchen sink but the entire house. If you really think this then it shows how much you really do not have any clue of what you are talking about.
Chaka
Footballguy
Does he play quarterback?
Chaka
Footballguy
I am an unashamed fan of Fields, and I would be happy if they had taken a chance on him this off-season. But there is no path to success for him in Silver and Black. I question if any QB would succeed in Las Vegas under the current coaching staff.
I worry for any rookie QB that ends up there. But, I would rather have a shiny new rookie with untapped potential and hopefully that "It" factor that can supercede marginal coaching than Fields who is a known commodity and needs more coaching and time than most franchises can offer.
kaso
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
There’s no insult. You constantly state the obvious. How is that insult?Besides insulting me, the bolded part of your post is the most important. Think about that for a moment. Why not to aspire for better than just watchable?Thanks for the scintillating insight. I have no idea why you come in here and pontificate on the obvious. May as well throw in a haircut for Tommy boy. (Not Brady)
Getsy is garbage. The available qbs were different levels of garbage. I wanted Russ
Shall I go into the browns thread and say that they should have done something different than Deshawn. It’s unnecessary.
Aspire? Think about that for a moment? Get out of here. We’re realists in here. Other than Chad.
the raiders have sucked FOREVER. We’d love a bit of watchable football.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Ok Francis, I will. Jeez.There’s no insult. You constantly state the obvious. How is that insult?Besides insulting me, the bolded part of your post is the most important. Think about that for a moment. Why not to aspire for better than just watchable?Thanks for the scintillating insight. I have no idea why you come in here and pontificate on the obvious. May as well throw in a haircut for Tommy boy. (Not Brady)
Getsy is garbage. The available qbs were different levels of garbage. I wanted Russ
Shall I go into the browns thread and say that they should have done something different than Deshawn. It’s unnecessary.
Aspire? Think about that for a moment? Get out of here. We’re realists in here. Other than Chad.
Just my opinion, but Bowers and Carlson are the only start-able Raiders.
joey
Footballguy
Start his ***, asap.
It’s about time the Raiders get some “forward-thinking “ football minds in positions of power. Trying to build a team around a DE doesn’t work in this day and age. I hope they learned that obtaining an elite QB is priority #1. All the Raiders problems started back in April when they were unable to land Jaydon Daniels and had to settle for Minshew/AOC.
There’s no point in watching the games and hoping for a turnaround. The only thing fans should be hoping for is a high draft pick to select a top QB. And even if the Raiders put themselves in that position, we have to pray they don’t screw that up too and select the wrong guy. Or as others have mentioned, is AP/Getsy capable of developing a rookie QB?
There’s no point in watching the games and hoping for a turnaround. The only thing fans should be hoping for is a high draft pick to select a top QB. And even if the Raiders put themselves in that position, we have to pray they don’t screw that up too and select the wrong guy. Or as others have mentioned, is AP/Getsy capable of developing a rookie QB?
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Hankmoody
Footballguy
We get a better pick if he balls out though.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
I see you are new to Drummer. Don't worry, you won't have to take notes to keep up, it never changes.
Vehemently disagree. Look what Ben Johnson did for Detroit and Bobby Slowik in Houston. Slowik got a gift in Stroud but even a solid QB like Goff will absolutely flourish in a good system. Look what Daboll did for Josh Allen (and what Allen's devolved to after he left) and anyone with more arm than Jimmy Grapes did playing for Kevin O'Connell in Minnesota. Coaching matters. A ton. Talent is additive but coaching is multiplicative.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
We do. He just broke his hand.
joey
Footballguy
Max Power
Footballguy
What do you like about Milroe? He's probably #5 on my list of those 5.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I'd rather have Penix. Don't ask why I made that comparison, because I'm not comparing the players. Just by the time Milroe is drafted, he may be closer to Hendon Hooker than Penix or McCarthy.
Max Power
Footballguy
Milroe feels like a Justin Fields/Anthony Richardson tier guy. Great athlete, but too raw as a passer.
Beck & Ewers both feel like Tannahill level guys. Maybe Matt Ryan/Flacco upside. So I can understand a fan base not being excited for them.
CGRdrJoe
Footballguy
Did you see Milroe this past saturday? He looked awful and speaking of awful, Ewers looked like **** as well.
QB QB QB, unless we are drafting top 2 we are probably screwed here as well. The class of 2024 is still tbd but:
2023 the top pick has already been benched and Richardson doesn't look to be a world beater so only 1 of the top 3 is looking to be a game changer for a team.
2022 only Picket was taken in the 1st and so far the only other starter/qb to play out of that class is Purdy who was mr. irrelevant.
2021 Lawrence has been Ok and Z. Wilson and Lance taken 2 and 3 behind him well 3 years later and then aren't even starters anymore. Fields and Jones also went in the first round and both of their teams have already used a first round pick on their replacements.
You have to go back to 2020 to find a strong QB class of Burrow, Tua (eh), Herbert, Love and Hurts.
2019 Kyler then D. Jones and Haskins (rip) were the other 2 taken in the first.
What's the point? Tanking for a qb doesn't give me hope that we will find a decent one.
Chaka
Footballguy
To heck with that. We had "watchable" football for Carr's entire career. I want consistent winning football and contending for championships.There’s no insult. You constantly state the obvious. How is that insult?Besides insulting me, the bolded part of your post is the most important. Think about that for a moment. Why not to aspire for better than just watchable?Thanks for the scintillating insight. I have no idea why you come in here and pontificate on the obvious. May as well throw in a haircut for Tommy boy. (Not Brady)
Getsy is garbage. The available qbs were different levels of garbage. I wanted Russ
Shall I go into the browns thread and say that they should have done something different than Deshawn. It’s unnecessary.
Aspire? Think about that for a moment? Get out of here. We’re realists in here. Other than Chad.
Chaka
Footballguy
If the Raiders sign Ben Johnson as HC next year I'd be happy if they risked whatever draft capital it would take to bring Hendon Hooker with him.
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
I have my doubts he is any good. Injury aside, he wasn't without warts.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
His trajectory is the best of the bunch. He's improved a ton in the last 11 months and he looks very coachable in the process. I'm sure he's had a bad game here and there, they all do, but I've seen some really good ones too. It's not about what the guy is in college it's what he can become with 3-5 years of work.
Chaka
Footballguy
Agreed. But he's two years removed from injury and two years in Ben Johnson's system.
He's 26, what could he possibly cost in draft picks? A third?
JohnnyU
Footballguy
He cost a 3rd during the draft, so I highly doubt he's worth a 3rd. Is he worth a dart throw? I don't really know. He can't be worse than Trey Lance and some still think he has value.
krsone21
Footballguy
Jacoby Myers was our emergency QB, lol, but he's injured as well. We have Carter Bradley on the practice squad.
Chaka
Footballguy
He went in the third round knowing he wouldn't play as a rookie. An old rookie at that. A lot of people thought he would have gone in the first. For whatever limited draft capital he would cost it's worth the flyer.
He can't be worse than Gardner Minshew and Aiden O'Connell, that's most important.
Again, I would only be interested if the Raiders also land Johnson as head coach.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Yep, that’s a real snoozer.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
I would say there was some watchable football with Carr. 63 and 79 ain’t all that.To heck with that. We had "watchable" football for Carr's entire career. I want consistent winning football and contending for championships.There’s no insult. You constantly state the obvious. How is that insult?Besides insulting me, the bolded part of your post is the most important. Think about that for a moment. Why not to aspire for better than just watchable?Thanks for the scintillating insight. I have no idea why you come in here and pontificate on the obvious. May as well throw in a haircut for Tommy boy. (Not Brady)
Getsy is garbage. The available qbs were different levels of garbage. I wanted Russ
Shall I go into the browns thread and say that they should have done something different than Deshawn. It’s unnecessary.
Aspire? Think about that for a moment? Get out of here. We’re realists in here. Other than Chad.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Panic bros in here ready to propose to the next 6.5 that walks in the door. Hold off for the 9. And while you are waiting, date some young 5s and 6s whom you might help evolve into a 9, before you like it enough to put a ring on it.
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