Tigerbot Hesh
Footballguy
That doesn't sound good. Maybe the full-length trailer will be more in-step with the tone of the movie.
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Inglourious Basterds (2 Viewers)
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bigbottom
Footballguy
Yeah, the review linked above notes that this is not 2 hours of Nazi hunting. The description that the review gives, however, sounds far more intruiging.
scoobygang
Footballguy
The script is odd. I thought it was a real shaggy dog movie. It might work, but I found the script to be an odd mishmash of stylistic homages. Even for Quentin. There's a good 20 or 30 minute portion of the movie that is essentially just a love letter to German Expressionism.
cstu
Footballguy
Death Proof was his weakest movie but I still think it was great, especially the first half. Even his short from Four Rooms, The Man From Hollywood, was very good.
I also liked Jackie Brown a lot. It's only flaws are that it followed Pulp Fiction and that it wasn't Pulp Fiction.I'm in the minority. But I think Jackie Brown is Tarantino's most mature movie.Not a big fan of Jackie Brown personally. It had it's moments but the whole thing didn't click for me.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I thought Grier and Forester were fantastic in Brown. And it happens to feature the best DeNiro role since, pretty much, Goodfellas.I also liked Jackie Brown a lot. It's only flaws are that it followed Pulp Fiction and that it wasn't Pulp Fiction.I'm in the minority. But I think Jackie Brown is Tarantino's most mature movie.Not a big fan of Jackie Brown personally. It had it's moments but the whole thing didn't click for me.
Wingnut
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
My wife and I took in a matinee of this this today. It was flat-out awesome.
If you were to imagine Quentin Tarantino making a WWII movie, this film is more or less exactly what you would dream up. It's much like Kill Bill in the sense that it doesn't have the snappy dialogue of Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs, and the film centers around the notion of revenge. However, I thought Kill Bill was sort of anticlimactic. It doesn't spoil anything to say that this movie is much more of a straight-up revenge story than that one with a more satisfying ending. If you're the sort of person who gets choked up when Odysseus and Telemachus slaughter the suitors, you will love Inglourious Basterds.
For that matter, if you've ever liked any Tarantino movie, I can pretty much guarantee that you'll like this. It's very violent, but it's also chock full of comedy. It features the little in-jokes and self-references that you'd expect from other Tarantino films (the obligatory foot closeup, people complaining about their nicknames, a Mexican standoff, etc). I'm not enough of a film buff to pick up all the references to other movies, though the references to The Dirty Dozen and Raiders of the Lost Ark are blindingly obvious and I'm sure there's lots of other stuff there that I'm missing. I want to think that Tarantino is also deliberately referencing Fight Club as well, but that might just be me.
What else can I say to describe how entertaining this movie was? It ran 2:30, but felt more like 45 minutes, and I plan on buying it as soon as comes out on DVD. I came into the theater with super-high expectations based on my experience with Tarantino and the few reviews I'd read, and I was still blown away. Best movie I've seen in a couple years.
If you were to imagine Quentin Tarantino making a WWII movie, this film is more or less exactly what you would dream up. It's much like Kill Bill in the sense that it doesn't have the snappy dialogue of Pulp Fiction or Reservoir Dogs, and the film centers around the notion of revenge. However, I thought Kill Bill was sort of anticlimactic. It doesn't spoil anything to say that this movie is much more of a straight-up revenge story than that one with a more satisfying ending. If you're the sort of person who gets choked up when Odysseus and Telemachus slaughter the suitors, you will love Inglourious Basterds.
For that matter, if you've ever liked any Tarantino movie, I can pretty much guarantee that you'll like this. It's very violent, but it's also chock full of comedy. It features the little in-jokes and self-references that you'd expect from other Tarantino films (the obligatory foot closeup, people complaining about their nicknames, a Mexican standoff, etc). I'm not enough of a film buff to pick up all the references to other movies, though the references to The Dirty Dozen and Raiders of the Lost Ark are blindingly obvious and I'm sure there's lots of other stuff there that I'm missing. I want to think that Tarantino is also deliberately referencing Fight Club as well, but that might just be me.
What else can I say to describe how entertaining this movie was? It ran 2:30, but felt more like 45 minutes, and I plan on buying it as soon as comes out on DVD. I came into the theater with super-high expectations based on my experience with Tarantino and the few reviews I'd read, and I was still blown away. Best movie I've seen in a couple years.
NCCommish
Footballguy
You had me right there
flysack
Footballguy
Fixed. Tarantino is like the George Lucas of action-violence flicks. Only he didn't take a 10+ year beak from filmmaking. He made a couple GREAT films, had one middler, then nothing but total crap.That said, I have feeling this one might a rebound film. We'll see.
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Meh. Your friend knows film. But he sounds like he's auditioning to be a film critic. I don't think Tarantino is missing any point. He's making movies he enjoys. It's fine that some people don't like Tarantino's work, but I think it's convenient to dismiss him as lacking artistic talent or vision.
Crimson Hawk
Axis of Evel
I saw it today.
I was very entertained.
I was very entertained.
flysack
Footballguy
My friend IS a film critic (among other things). That wasn't a clipped bit though. It's from private conversation.I also don't see anything "convenient" here. I thought it was a well thought and analyzed opinion. It's something I've long believed, but never articulated.
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I can understand why a person might not like Tarantino, but it's kind of silly to say that Kill Bill I and II were "crap." I mean, come on. It's totally fine to say they weren't your cup of tea, but they were entertaining, featured strong performances and writing, and certaintly weren't crap.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
On an unrelated note, Inglourious Basterds makes Hollywood look really bad. How is it that Tarantino can make a movie about World War II of all things and have it be totally original, while so much of the dreck that Hollywood tosses at us is either a sequel, a remake, or a movie version of a 1980s era television series?
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I don't think it's fair to compare Tarantino to guys like Scorsese. I don't even think Tarantino thinks he's at Scorsese's level. Tarantino is firmly planted amongst the younger, gifted directors like Fincher and PT Anderson. And also, I think Jackie Brown is a lot better than average. Not much else to say since this is clearly just a matter of personal taste.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Good indy movies always make Hollywood look bad.
NCCommish
Footballguy
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Watching Basterds late tonight.
The only bad part is we're going with this weirdo priest that whips out whole bananas in the theater. A banana? What, a tuna sammich wasn't stinky enough?
The only bad part is we're going with this weirdo priest that whips out whole bananas in the theater. A banana? What, a tuna sammich wasn't stinky enough?
NCCommish
Footballguy
Well bananas are Kurt Camerons proof of intelligent design.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I never leave home without one
Homer J Simpson
I don't push
It's his siren song.
NCCommish
Footballguy
We all have our crosses to bear.
Mr. Mojo
Footballguy
I don't know about mature but it's the only film he's made without any flaws.Seeing Mike Meyers is in the new film and it has Basterd in the title, I can imagine hearing Myers deliver the line:"Oh my god, Hitler left a floater"I'm in the minority. But I think Jackie Brown is Tarantino's most mature movie.Not a big fan of Jackie Brown personally. It had it's moments but the whole thing didn't click for me.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Looking forward to seeing it.
Pulp Fiction is a favorite of mine. It remains the only film I have paid to see in a theater three times. Reservoir Dogs was good too, but not as good, in my opinion. I loved Jackie Brown. It was more subdued than the others but I thought it was great.
I also liked the Kill Bill movies for what they were. The first was an homage to Kung Fu movies; the second to Spaghetti Westerns. If you don't like those genres, you wouldn't like either of them. If you do like those genres (and I am a bigger Spaghetti Western fan than Kung Fu aficianado), you probably liked them. Not surprisingly, I liked Kill Bill Vol. II more.
I didn't see his installment of the Grindhouse pictures. Schlock horror isn't my thing.
World War II movies on the other hand...I love.
Tarantino is what he is. And that may not be for everyone, but for me his stuff is better than about 75% (at a minimum) of what Hollywood produces.
Pulp Fiction is a favorite of mine. It remains the only film I have paid to see in a theater three times. Reservoir Dogs was good too, but not as good, in my opinion. I loved Jackie Brown. It was more subdued than the others but I thought it was great.
I also liked the Kill Bill movies for what they were. The first was an homage to Kung Fu movies; the second to Spaghetti Westerns. If you don't like those genres, you wouldn't like either of them. If you do like those genres (and I am a bigger Spaghetti Western fan than Kung Fu aficianado), you probably liked them. Not surprisingly, I liked Kill Bill Vol. II more.
I didn't see his installment of the Grindhouse pictures. Schlock horror isn't my thing.
World War II movies on the other hand...I love.
Tarantino is what he is. And that may not be for everyone, but for me his stuff is better than about 75% (at a minimum) of what Hollywood produces.
flysack
Footballguy
That's where I stopped reading.
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L5UT1ger
Footballguy
After reading this this thread, in my drunken state, I have to ask. Does it really matter how the dialogue, character arc, etc. are compared to answering this simple question..."Did you enjoy the film?" To some, whether the cinematography or lighting were astounding is important.
Anyhow. I think ill see it. the wife likes pitt so i got a shot of seeing a film that i will find good and it wont feature: boy meets, loses, and gets girl back. maybe?
Anyhow. I think ill see it. the wife likes pitt so i got a shot of seeing a film that i will find good and it wont feature: boy meets, loses, and gets girl back. maybe?
Teumessian Fox
Wallet Inspector
I do think it is fair to compare Tarantino to Scorsese, but for different reasons. When I consider viewing a movie, the first, second, and third thing I consider is who directed it. After that, who wrote it slightly edges out who acted in it.I can count on one hand the number of directors currently making movies on a regular basis that I look forward to their movies. Tarantino is number one on that list. Tarantino is a throwback to directors like Kubrick and Scorsese in the sense that every time they make a movie, it is a major event. Few other directors today can generate buzz just by releasing a movie like Tarantino can. And the reason for that is his movies are always at least good, and may times bordering on or realizing greatness.In my opinion, Tarantino has made 1 great movie (Pulp Fiction), 2 almost great movies (Kill Bill, Reservoir Dogs), 1 above average movie (Jackie Brown), and 1 OK movie (Death Proof). His involvement in other very good movies as a writer (Natural Born Killers, even if he didn't like the end result, and True Romance), collaborator (Sin City as guest director, plus Planet Terror and From Dusk Till Dawn where his influence on Rodriguez is fairly clear), and even as an actor in his own and other director's movies place him in a tier not shared by many right now, let alone throughout the history of film.I'm going to see Inglourious Basterds tomorrow, and my expectations are as high as they can be.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
The audience didn't know what to make of Meyers. They laughed immediately when they saw him.I don't know about mature but it's the only film he's made without any flaws.Seeing Mike Meyers is in the new film and it has Basterd in the title, I can imagine hearing Myers deliver the line:"Oh my god, Hitler left a floater"I'm in the minority. But I think Jackie Brown is Tarantino's most mature movie.Not a big fan of Jackie Brown personally. It had it's moments but the whole thing didn't click for me.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
This said, Tarantino's Death Proof isn't schlock horror at all. It's an homage to the 70s action films. Pretty solid.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Saw the movie tonight.
Outstanding film. Very entertaining. A fresh take on WW2 films with a fitting homage to The Dirty Dozen. I think this film is as good as Pulp Fiction - but for completely different reasons. The experience is bizarre, and there are as many tense moments in this movie as you'll ever see. I laughed several times.
Haters will hate this movie and Tarantino fans will gobble it up. For the haters, I think if you didn't like Kill Bill or Death Proof, you may very well still like this movie.
I'd give the movie an A-.
Outstanding film. Very entertaining. A fresh take on WW2 films with a fitting homage to The Dirty Dozen. I think this film is as good as Pulp Fiction - but for completely different reasons. The experience is bizarre, and there are as many tense moments in this movie as you'll ever see. I laughed several times.
Haters will hate this movie and Tarantino fans will gobble it up. For the haters, I think if you didn't like Kill Bill or Death Proof, you may very well still like this movie.
I'd give the movie an A-.
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Well said. I think you will be very happy. Very entertaining movie.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
I'd like to saw a few words about Tarantino. And this is as good a thread as any to say them in:
It's important to not judge Tarantino's work against guys like Kubrick, Scorsese, Coppola, and the other greats. Why? Because it's pointless. Ranking these artists, any artist, is an intellectual pursuit that has no meaning. When someone says, "Tarantino can't carry Kubrick's jockstrap," what does that prove? That supposes these guys are playing against each other in a sporting event. Tarantino isn't making films in Kubrick's universe, just as Bach wasn't composing music in John Coltrane's universe.
I believe that Tarantino's personality taints his perception. He's perceived as arrogant. I don't think arrogance is what motivates Tarantino's work. At his core, QT loves movies. That shows in his art and his personality. And maybe that's why I like him. I am not interested in people that don't feel passionate. What's the point of existence, otherwise?
I think it's irrelevant to invent these clever criticisms of Tarantino, things like, "Tarantino doesn't develop his characters," or "Tarantino relies on pop culture in lieu of meaningful dialogue." QT is making movies that he likes to watch. Nothing more, nothing less. And I like to watch them, too.
It's important to not judge Tarantino's work against guys like Kubrick, Scorsese, Coppola, and the other greats. Why? Because it's pointless. Ranking these artists, any artist, is an intellectual pursuit that has no meaning. When someone says, "Tarantino can't carry Kubrick's jockstrap," what does that prove? That supposes these guys are playing against each other in a sporting event. Tarantino isn't making films in Kubrick's universe, just as Bach wasn't composing music in John Coltrane's universe.
I believe that Tarantino's personality taints his perception. He's perceived as arrogant. I don't think arrogance is what motivates Tarantino's work. At his core, QT loves movies. That shows in his art and his personality. And maybe that's why I like him. I am not interested in people that don't feel passionate. What's the point of existence, otherwise?
I think it's irrelevant to invent these clever criticisms of Tarantino, things like, "Tarantino doesn't develop his characters," or "Tarantino relies on pop culture in lieu of meaningful dialogue." QT is making movies that he likes to watch. Nothing more, nothing less. And I like to watch them, too.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Excellent point.
No. 16
Footballguy
Got got back from seeing this movie and I recommend anyone who has even enjoyed a little bit QT films to watch this.
The movie had you on the edge of your seat through out the movie and most of the time is spent TALKING. Yes there is blood. Yes there is over the top violence, but those moments do not dominate the film. They are merely exclamation points to the wonderful directing and acting of each chapter.
I must say between District 9 and Inglorious Basterds, Hollywood has saved itself from a rather horrible summer.
The movie had you on the edge of your seat through out the movie and most of the time is spent TALKING. Yes there is blood. Yes there is over the top violence, but those moments do not dominate the film. They are merely exclamation points to the wonderful directing and acting of each chapter.
I must say between District 9 and Inglorious Basterds, Hollywood has saved itself from a rather horrible summer.
mr fancypants
Footballguy
I actually caught an hour long interview with Tarantino last night on charlie rose. The stuff that comes out of that guys mind is incredible. It's wild on how he has each character developing as he writes the story. Two insights on the Basterds movie he reveals. 1. The female character Shoshanna Dreyfus was originally written to be a "in his words" bad## who singlehandly took on the Nazi's. But he ended up writing that character for Uma Thurman in the Kill Bill series and didn't want to go down that path again. 2. He said he didn't want to explain the rope burns on Brad Pitt's character, because he wants to let the audience determine that on there own, so that they could more less personalize the movie for themselves.Anyways it was an hour long interview that really seemed like 20 minutes. I definitely recommend it to any Tarantino fan
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I love the fact that that scar is just there and needs no explanation.TheMightyShroudsofTuran
Footballguy
I thought it was great
scoobygang
Footballguy
I didn't like it as much as many people did (there was applause during the credits when I saw it, so it was well-received by the audience). I certainly didn't dislike it, but I think it would have worked better as the miniseries that Tarantino (at least briefly) conceived it as earlier.
As it was, I felt that neither the "Basterds" Dirty Dozen style story or Shoshanna's more personal revenge tale was given enough time to really resonate with me. So, while the climax was certainly exciting, I got little narrative satisfaction out of the way those two stories converged. As a miniseries, with episodes devoted to the Dirty Dozen storyline and other episodes devoted to Tarantino's love letters to the German expressionism and other European filmmaking, I think he could have both switched between genres and styles as well as giving both stories more resonance.
I had no problem with the violence or with the decision to take a "serious" subject like WWII and the Holocaust and turn it into a pulp revenge fantasy. That's Tarantino's charm.
As it was, I felt that neither the "Basterds" Dirty Dozen style story or Shoshanna's more personal revenge tale was given enough time to really resonate with me. So, while the climax was certainly exciting, I got little narrative satisfaction out of the way those two stories converged. As a miniseries, with episodes devoted to the Dirty Dozen storyline and other episodes devoted to Tarantino's love letters to the German expressionism and other European filmmaking, I think he could have both switched between genres and styles as well as giving both stories more resonance.
I had no problem with the violence or with the decision to take a "serious" subject like WWII and the Holocaust and turn it into a pulp revenge fantasy. That's Tarantino's charm.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Best parts of this movie:
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Hugo Stiglitz
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Hugo Stiglitz
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HellToupee
Footballguy
Big fan of Pulp ,Dogs & Jackie Brown but really feel meh about Kill Bill but looking forward to seeing IB
NCCommish
Footballguy
That's some pretty high praise.
mex
Footballguy
Please remember that while he did not direct True Romance he did write it and it is definitely Brilliant
