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Inglourious Basterds (3 Viewers)
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Sundays Rule
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timschochet
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The Psychlos were real, weren't they? That's a movie about the year 3000, so we can't really question it's accuracy.
Statorama
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This film made me think about it a lot afterwards, which I see as the sign of a good movie.
Was QT drawing attention to how we view terrorists? Don't Islamic terrorists view us like we viewed the Nazi's? Wouldn't they want to set fire to a building while shooting GWB in the face? Do they draw a similar comparison between the Basterds scalping and something like the beheading of Daniel Pearl? Weren't the two Basterds at the end suicide bombers?
Yeah, I've been drinking.
What stood out for me the most was the shot of Shoshanna's "film face" being projected on the billowing smoke in the theatre as the fire consumed the Nazi patrons. Easily one of the top ten shots in the history of cinema IMO. Even watching it a second time, that shot blew me away.
Was QT drawing attention to how we view terrorists? Don't Islamic terrorists view us like we viewed the Nazi's? Wouldn't they want to set fire to a building while shooting GWB in the face? Do they draw a similar comparison between the Basterds scalping and something like the beheading of Daniel Pearl? Weren't the two Basterds at the end suicide bombers?
Yeah, I've been drinking.
What stood out for me the most was the shot of Shoshanna's "film face" being projected on the billowing smoke in the theatre as the fire consumed the Nazi patrons. Easily one of the top ten shots in the history of cinema IMO. Even watching it a second time, that shot blew me away.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
I saw it for the first time yesterday, and almost wanted to go see it again today, just to see the last ten minutes or so again. Like you said, that shot is amazing. Overall, fantastic movie. 
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jmcc
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I thought the noise of the bat being hit on something as he walked in the cave was the scene stealer. It really built up the moment. It went downhill after he came out of the cave. I dont mean it was a bad scene but it was the builup that I liked.
Harry Manback
Footballguy
I was a bit shocked by the result, I half expected the head to explode in an overly dramatic fashion, but the sound of the bat on the skull, followed by the moaning/gurgling...wow, it was shocking.
Evilgrin 72
Distributor of Pain
Here's a question :
bigbottom
Footballguy
If only they had you as a historical consultant, they could have avoided the embarrassment! (I don't think historical accuracy is what QT was going for.)
Harry Manback
Footballguy
I think you guys need to lay off Tim a bit, I thought it was interesting that the Germans didn't round up the jews in France until later.
Seriously, if it were anyone but Tim who made the comment, I doubt anyone would have made any smartass remarks.
Seriously, if it were anyone but Tim who made the comment, I doubt anyone would have made any smartass remarks.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Well duh. It's another take on the tale-as-old-as-time Boy Who Cried Wolf.I think you guys need to lay off Tim a bit, I thought it was interesting that the Germans didn't round up the jews in France until later.
Seriously, if it were anyone but Tim who made the comment, I doubt anyone would have made any smartass remarks.
Actually, I agree with you, and with Tim. The idea that the movie starts from a false premise is a bit distracting.But hey, it wouldn't be as interesting if this movie took place in Poland as opposed to France, now would it?
PatsWillWin
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Harry Manback
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Nope, not at all.I have no problem with it not being historically accurate, as that clearly wasn't the movies intention, but I wasn't aware that the beginning wasn't accurate, and being a fan of constantly educating myself, I appreciated knowing that.Well duh. It's another take on the tale-as-old-as-time Boy Who Cried Wolf.I think you guys need to lay off Tim a bit, I thought it was interesting that the Germans didn't round up the jews in France until later.
Seriously, if it were anyone but Tim who made the comment, I doubt anyone would have made any smartass remarks.
But hey, it wouldn't be as interesting if this movie took place in Poland as opposed to France, now would it?
Chunky Soup
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I don't. The film needed to take place in France in 1941 in order for Shoshanna to be young enough to not be noticed later. QT stretched history a bit in order to make the rest of his film work and his characters be the way he wanted. It was a bit of a stretch, kinda like Hitler getting killed in a movie theater.
Andy Dufresne
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Before he killed Von Hammersmark, the best angle for him was to be the good Nazi, loyal to the party. But then afterwards, I think he realized that the better angle for him would be to use the opportunity afforded him by Von Hammersmark & Co. to cut an even better deal with the Allies.
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jdoggydogg
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Because he's a sociopath.Evilgrin 72 said:
L5UT1ger
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I dunno why yall are still using spoiler tags and I dont know how so, here goesAndy Dufresne said:
idnt he already throw the dynamite under the seat prior to choking her? Maybe not.As far as the security question, Landa was in charge of security. If he knew of a plot to kill Hitler, etc. and was ok with it, maybe he was lax in security.
bigbottom
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I'm usually pretty liberal with the smartass remarks. The movie is, at its core, a revenge fantasy. I don't think historical accuracy was very high on the list.I think you guys need to lay off Tim a bit, I thought it was interesting that the Germans didn't round up the jews in France until later.Seriously, if it were anyone but Tim who made the comment, I doubt anyone would have made any smartass remarks.
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Andy Dufresne
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Minor story flaw:
So in the original Operation Kino, they were going to have Stiglitz go into the cinema with all those Germans that would undoubtedly recognize him? Not likely.
Oh. And the reason tha Landa killed Von Hammersmark? She was no longer necessary to the story. Simple as that, IMO.
Saw it a 2nd time last night. If Christoph Waltz (Col. Landa) doesn't win an Oscar for Best Supporting, they should just shut it down. The guy is phenominal. Mélanie Laurent probably deserves at least a nom as well.
So in the original Operation Kino, they were going to have Stiglitz go into the cinema with all those Germans that would undoubtedly recognize him? Not likely.
Oh. And the reason tha Landa killed Von Hammersmark? She was no longer necessary to the story. Simple as that, IMO.
Saw it a 2nd time last night. If Christoph Waltz (Col. Landa) doesn't win an Oscar for Best Supporting, they should just shut it down. The guy is phenominal. Mélanie Laurent probably deserves at least a nom as well.
jdoggydogg
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I would love to see both of them win.
RudiStein
*Not really a bail bondsman
I think you guys need to lay off Tim a bit, I thought it was interesting that the Germans didn't round up the jews in France until later.Seriously, if it were anyone but Tim who made the comment, I doubt anyone would have made any smartass remarks.
Harry Manback
Footballguy
I think you guys need to lay off Tim a bit, I thought it was interesting that the Germans didn't round up the jews in France until later.Seriously, if it were anyone but Tim who made the comment, I doubt anyone would have made any smartass remarks.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
No. He barely seems to know his name when he's talking with Raine.German radio operator = Landa's lover?Anyone else get that feeling? NTTAWWT.
Bobcat10
Footballguy
I noticed this during the movie and I'm glad you brought it up to refresh my memory. That made no sense really. Could he have been muscle for the basement? Possibly, but didn't seem like that was the plan, because I think they wanted a German speaking entourage for Von Hammersmark.
adonis
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Postradamus
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German radio operator = Landa's lover?Anyone else get that feeling? NTTAWWT.
I got a gay vibe from Landa the whole filmETA: in my pants.
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Andy Dufresne
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I still don't get why Landa lets Shoshanna go at the beginning. Probably for the same reason that the Basterds let some of their victims go.
Wingnut
Footballguy
Andy, if you search the net you can find things in the original script that didnt make the film. Heres something I found on that scene Movie version:
Hans Landa says "au revoir, Shoshanna!".
Script version:
Hans Landa says "au revoir, Shoshanna! Till we meet again!". He and his crew drive away from the farm house. Landa's driver asks him why he allowed Shoshanna to escape. Landa answers, "Not putting a bullet in the back of a fifteen year old girl and allowing her to escape are not necessarily the same thing. She's a young girl, no food, no shelter, no shoes, who's just witnessed the massacre of her entire family. She may not survive the night. And after word spreads about what happened today, it's highly unlikely she will find any willing farmers to extend her aid. If I had to guess her fate, I'd say she'll probably be turned in by some neighbour. Or, she'll be spotted by some German soldier. Or, we'll find her body in the woods, dead from starvation or exposure. Or, perhaps she'll survive. She will elude capture. She will escape to America. She will move to New York City. Where she will be elected President of the United States."
http://gregsdailymusing.blogspot.com/2009/...-have-been.html
Theres a few more cut scenes listed in that link
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Wingnut
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A few more things that were in the original script that never made it in the movie (copied and pasted from imdb message board)
1) Lots of lines were cut. From Landa's opening sequence talking about Negroes and their Gorilla like penises, Zoller telling Shoshanna that his family ran a theater and that Shoshanna reminded him of his sister to Goebells, making a weird allusion to incest when someone said Zoller's interest in Shoshanna is because she reminded him of his sister.
2)Shoshanna is shown in a movie theater wearing a nurse's uniform. She cajoles the mistress of the theater to let her stay. This is soon followed by her being trained on how to run the projector. This included a scene where she goes to light a cigarette in the film room and gets her face slapped knocking the cigarette out. The mistress then goes into a diatribe about how flammable the film is.
3) The flashback scene of Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz buying a baseball bat at a sportshop in his Jewish Boston neighborhood. This is where the tag line "A Basterd's work is never done" originates. He goes to visit all the older Jewish people in the neighborhood and asks them to sign the name of loved ones that were stuck in Nazi occupied Europe on the bat. ( I especially wish they would have left this scene in the film).
4)When Shoshanna runs into Landa at the restaurant, in the original script after their conversation the camera pans down to reveal a puddle of piss. She pisses herself from fear.
5) When Bridget Von Hammersmark is shot in the tavern fiasco they need to find a doctor. The original script had Donny waking up the doctor out of bed and having him shoot the dogs until he agreed to help.
6) When they come up with their plan to go to the premier it is decided that Utivich (The small man) will drive against his protestation that he doesn't not know how. This is followed by Von Hammersmark remark about how "useless Americans are". Aldo then barks something about if a dumb hick from Tennessee such as himself can learn how to drive in one night then so can he.
7) The theater scene had Donny going to the bathroom and getting recognized by the first guy that they tagged with the swastika on his forehead(the one interviewed by Hitler).
8) Earlier in the film it is implied how it takes a degree of skill to change from reel to reel. Shoshanna is interrupted by Zoller just as she is about to make the final reel change(which has her "giant face") when he bursts in the room. The get in the scuffle, she is shot, and with her last dying effort she manages to make the reel change. In the film the reel change happened on its own(magically).
9)When Aldo is apprehended the original script had him screaming every type of insult he could imagine towards Germans in particular. He is led with the black hood to the truck where Utivich is also there with a black hood. Utivich is sobbing like a baby. He begins to apologize to LT. Raines about his sobbing. Raines explains that he has no need to apologize and says something about John Wayne would be crying if he was in the same position as he right now.
1) Lots of lines were cut. From Landa's opening sequence talking about Negroes and their Gorilla like penises, Zoller telling Shoshanna that his family ran a theater and that Shoshanna reminded him of his sister to Goebells, making a weird allusion to incest when someone said Zoller's interest in Shoshanna is because she reminded him of his sister.
2)Shoshanna is shown in a movie theater wearing a nurse's uniform. She cajoles the mistress of the theater to let her stay. This is soon followed by her being trained on how to run the projector. This included a scene where she goes to light a cigarette in the film room and gets her face slapped knocking the cigarette out. The mistress then goes into a diatribe about how flammable the film is.
3) The flashback scene of Donny "The Bear Jew" Donowitz buying a baseball bat at a sportshop in his Jewish Boston neighborhood. This is where the tag line "A Basterd's work is never done" originates. He goes to visit all the older Jewish people in the neighborhood and asks them to sign the name of loved ones that were stuck in Nazi occupied Europe on the bat. ( I especially wish they would have left this scene in the film).
4)When Shoshanna runs into Landa at the restaurant, in the original script after their conversation the camera pans down to reveal a puddle of piss. She pisses herself from fear.
5) When Bridget Von Hammersmark is shot in the tavern fiasco they need to find a doctor. The original script had Donny waking up the doctor out of bed and having him shoot the dogs until he agreed to help.
6) When they come up with their plan to go to the premier it is decided that Utivich (The small man) will drive against his protestation that he doesn't not know how. This is followed by Von Hammersmark remark about how "useless Americans are". Aldo then barks something about if a dumb hick from Tennessee such as himself can learn how to drive in one night then so can he.
7) The theater scene had Donny going to the bathroom and getting recognized by the first guy that they tagged with the swastika on his forehead(the one interviewed by Hitler).
8) Earlier in the film it is implied how it takes a degree of skill to change from reel to reel. Shoshanna is interrupted by Zoller just as she is about to make the final reel change(which has her "giant face") when he bursts in the room. The get in the scuffle, she is shot, and with her last dying effort she manages to make the reel change. In the film the reel change happened on its own(magically).
9)When Aldo is apprehended the original script had him screaming every type of insult he could imagine towards Germans in particular. He is led with the black hood to the truck where Utivich is also there with a black hood. Utivich is sobbing like a baby. He begins to apologize to LT. Raines about his sobbing. Raines explains that he has no need to apologize and says something about John Wayne would be crying if he was in the same position as he right now.
Wingnut
Footballguy
kaa
Footballguy
Went to see this one with 4 friends.
1. About 10 minutes in, one woman whispered to me, "I have to go to the bathroom" and never returned.
2. Another woman said she hated this film. Her view of life is when she comes home from work, she wants to decompress. She wants her entertainment to make her laugh, not think. She wanted to see "The Goods".
3. The two guys hated this film. They were stuck on asking "Why make this film now?" They didn't see a point. They wound up talking about their trips to Europe and touring the beautiful countryside more than the film itself.
I like most of QT's work but didn't care for this one at all because I think it crossed a line and TRULY glorified war and violence. All of QT's films are very violent but usually there's some other motivation at work. Here, I felt they were just showing people being violent because they enjoy being violent. Collecting scalps? A Nazi lunging over the table to personally strangle a woman? I didn't like it.
1. About 10 minutes in, one woman whispered to me, "I have to go to the bathroom" and never returned.
2. Another woman said she hated this film. Her view of life is when she comes home from work, she wants to decompress. She wants her entertainment to make her laugh, not think. She wanted to see "The Goods".
3. The two guys hated this film. They were stuck on asking "Why make this film now?" They didn't see a point. They wound up talking about their trips to Europe and touring the beautiful countryside more than the film itself.
I like most of QT's work but didn't care for this one at all because I think it crossed a line and TRULY glorified war and violence. All of QT's films are very violent but usually there's some other motivation at work. Here, I felt they were just showing people being violent because they enjoy being violent. Collecting scalps? A Nazi lunging over the table to personally strangle a woman? I didn't like it.
Harry Manback
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Musesboy
Footballguy
I don't like war movies, with the exception of The Great Escape. But I trusted Tarantino and this could have been set in any genre.
It's already in my top 10 of all time and I have been thinking about it every day since I saw it (nine days ago). I'll definitely be seeing it again soon.
The blu-ray release can't come too soon. I hope that it includes some of the deleted scenes, maybe an extended cut, and the Charlie Rose interview (which was excellent).
I agree with most of the comments. Hitchcock meets the Coens, done Tarantino style. The Dialogue was masterful.
A couple of things I would like to add:
Zoller and Shosanna meeting and talking about cinema was an excellent scene. Especially the line, "we respect our directors in France."
I liked Pitt's closing claim that this just might be his masterpiece.
This kind of humor works better than any comedy I can think of. I liked it the same way I liked Fargo.
Tarantino takes the most mundane things and makes them incredibly interesting. I loved the opening scene and the rat speech.
Finally, the memorable use of music in a scene. Cat People was incredible.
It's already in my top 10 of all time and I have been thinking about it every day since I saw it (nine days ago). I'll definitely be seeing it again soon.
The blu-ray release can't come too soon. I hope that it includes some of the deleted scenes, maybe an extended cut, and the Charlie Rose interview (which was excellent).
I agree with most of the comments. Hitchcock meets the Coens, done Tarantino style. The Dialogue was masterful.
A couple of things I would like to add:
Zoller and Shosanna meeting and talking about cinema was an excellent scene. Especially the line, "we respect our directors in France."
I liked Pitt's closing claim that this just might be his masterpiece.
This kind of humor works better than any comedy I can think of. I liked it the same way I liked Fargo.
Tarantino takes the most mundane things and makes them incredibly interesting. I loved the opening scene and the rat speech.
Finally, the memorable use of music in a scene. Cat People was incredible.
Interesting, thanks. All of these seem like wise editing choices.J
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Why would someone that wants fluffy entertainment watch a Tarantino movie? Why did she even go?Tarantino uses plenty of violence in the movie. And he'd admit that he likes violence for its shock value. But that's different than glorifying violence. The point of this movie isn't the glorification of violence. By killing these Nazis, Tarantino recognizes there's a ton of pain surrounding WW2, and the movie acts as a catharsis. Even in the final scene, the movie leaves the viewer sad despite the revenge. Sad because revenge doesn't really make anyone happy, and sad because the horrors of WW2 cannot be erased or healed with revenge.
kaa
Footballguy
Because sometimes people do things just to go along with friends before they know what they are getting into.
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jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Just sayin'. This is like hating chick flicks and then going to watch the Sex And The City movie.kaa said:Because sometimes people do things just to go along with friends before they know what they are getting into.jdoggydogg said:
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Has anyone mentioned how awesome that big ### pipe was that Landa smoked in the opening scene? Man, when he pulled that thing out, I about lost it. 
Bobcat10
Footballguy
Has anyone mentioned how awesome that big ### pipe was that Landa smoked in the opening scene? Man, when he pulled that thing out, I about lost it.
whoknew
Footballguy
LHUCKS GB
Footballguy
That's a bingo!
