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Is it acceptable to destroy anything that offends you? (3 Viewers)

Knights of Columbus announcing they are changing their name to the Knights of Cortés Rodney.

 
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Northern Voice said:
The big take away from an outsider is the United States still has statues of Jefferson Davis :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: .

What a ####ed up country. 
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Oh, not just statues....several counties and several schools, most prominently Jefferson Davis High School in Montgomery, Alabama which has an enrollment of 94% African Americans.  I chit you not!

 
eoMMan said:
Should all these Lee counties (I think all were named after General Robert E. Lee) in the USA be renamed?

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Looks like some were named after Light Horse Harry Lee (including Virginia’s).

 
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bentley said:
This is a really stupid question.
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Why, because someone has a differing opinion or is asking a simple question?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but this is the kind of post that shuts down conversation. Why would you be against folks having a discussion? If it's so dumb, the question is why did you feel the need to post and try to put the OP in their place? 

I want to hear or read what people have to say and I think insulting the topic or poster is a lowbrow way to shut someone down that doesn't agree lock and step with your own opinion on the matter. 

Cheers!

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Why, because someone has a differing opinion or is asking a simple question?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but this is the kind of post that shuts down conversation. Why would you be against folks having a discussion? If it's so dumb, the question is why did you feel the need to post and try to put the OP in their place? 

I want to hear or read what people have to say and I think insulting the topic or poster is a lowbrow way to shut someone down that doesn't agree lock and step with your own opinion on the matter. 

Cheers!
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My issue with the thread is the subject line and the OP don't mesh. It's pretending to be one conversation but is really about something specific. It takes something complex and specific and tries to conflate it with some larger broader statement. Like if I started a thread that said "Is it acceptable to grab the butt of a woman you find attractive?" and then my OP was about how I grabbed my wife's butt. 

 
Should we as a country take a step back and see if some of the things we have honored with statues and symbols are hurting others feelings or perpetuating an atmosphere that is unfair to certain races or individuals? 

Could it hurt to listen or to take something down that is causing pain? I know there are going to be examples that will show both sides, we make a lot of exceptions for a lot of different religions as an example, we don't usually rub the history of violence that permeates Christianity's History as an example and dictate current policy based on the sins of hundreds of years ago. We know Christians burned people alive at the stakes in the Salem Witch Trials, that seemed pretty anti-women. Should we allow Christian Churches to operate in the Year 2020? 

It's a very vast topic and covers a lot of areas, gonna agitate a lot of folks to boot. And at the end I'm not sure much will truly get resolved. 

 
Ilov80s said:
My issue with the thread is the subject line and the OP don't mesh. It's pretending to be one conversation but is really about something specific. It takes something complex and specific and tries to conflate it with some larger broader statement. Like if I started a thread that said "Is it acceptable to grab the butt of a woman you find attractive?" and then my OP was about how I grabbed my wife's butt. 
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That I can agree with and that's why I posted with more of a POV after my 1st post. I don't feel this topic is great for the FFA quite frankly. It's a worthwhile discussion but there's much you can't discuss because it's the FFA. 

I was more speaking in the general sense. Not trying to ruffle any feathers, seriously. 

 
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Ministry of Pain said:
Why, because someone has a differing opinion or is asking a simple question?

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing but this is the kind of post that shuts down conversation. Why would you be against folks having a discussion? If it's so dumb, the question is why did you feel the need to post and try to put the OP in their place? 

I want to hear or read what people have to say and I think insulting the topic or poster is a lowbrow way to shut someone down that doesn't agree lock and step with your own opinion on the matter. 

Cheers!
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Because is disingenuous and leading. The question you asked below is way better.

 
Ministry of Pain said:
Should we as a country take a step back and see if some of the things we have honored with statues and symbols are hurting others feelings or perpetuating an atmosphere that is unfair to certain races or individuals? 

Could it hurt to listen or to take something down that is causing pain? I know there are going to be examples that will show both sides, we make a lot of exceptions for a lot of different religions as an example, we don't usually rub the history of violence that permeates Christianity's History as an example and dictate current policy based on the sins of hundreds of years ago. We know Christians burned people alive at the stakes in the Salem Witch Trials, that seemed pretty anti-women. Should we allow Christian Churches to operate in the Year 2020? 

It's a very vast topic and covers a lot of areas, gonna agitate a lot of folks to boot. And at the end I'm not sure much will truly get resolved. 
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We need to give this country back to the Indians to be whole again. Which tribe?  :shrug:  The one who had the highest kill count when Columbus showed up.

We should probably rename Columbus Ohio too before someone burns it to the ground. 

 
bostonfred said:
You jerks. I had finally forgotten about nickelback, and this is how you remind me?
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It really is too bad, isn't it?  Always happens when you're feelin' way too damn good.  Someday I'll get far away from here.  Maybe this afternoon.  Bunch of animals.  Never again. :angry:  

 
The reason they should stay or be removed through proper channels is because at some point, a certain region of the United States is going to have to reckon with its past honestly, as do other regions in the country. 

But no quarter for thugs and looters. Nothing but proper process should cause these to come down.  

 
Max Power said:
We need to give this country back to the Indians to be whole again. Which tribe?  :shrug:  The one who had the highest kill count when Columbus showed up.

We should probably rename Columbus Ohio too before someone burns it to the ground. 
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I am sure you know that, if some liberals have their way, we may see an era of wealth redistribution like no other, and the demographics are shifting towards a more diverse demographic who feel that they were systematically oppressed for decades even after the end of legal segregation and they may look to drastically lower the exemption on the estate tax and put a wealth tax that was favored by two of the three leading Democrat presidential candidates in this cycle.

Now this isn't the politics forum, and I don't intend to debate those statements on their merits or engage with anyone who tells me that those positions won't win.  That's a matter for the voters to decide and we might disagree on what we hope will happen but I think we can agree that the fringe support for liberal candidates started to get a voice with Bernie and Warren and that there are active voters pushing for a more progressive, liberal, or openly socialist agenda. 

And those people almost unanimously support BLM. 

Now imagine for a minute that they might win an election or even several in a row. That the world turns in a direction that you personally disagree with. And that they rename your town Kaepernick, and your driverless electric vehicle takes you past a statue of Kaepernick every day on your way to your mandatory meditation and transsexual training, or whatever it is that you are so afraid of. 

Imagine that you live long enough to see your great grandchildren indoctrinated in the Colin Kaepernick memorial high school, where they learn that he was a hero for kneeling during the anthem, and that the founding fathers were hypocritical slave owners whose murderous and war mongering ways were a stain on this country's history. 

And you great grandchild comes home and starts lecturing you about the lazy white Americans of the late 20th and early 21st century who oppressed their ancestors and were primitive and savage. 

And when you argue, your own grandchildren and even your children all take sides against you, telling you that you are a relic, stuck in the past, and look down on you for your foolish and outdated opinions, even as they realize that they have missed out on what you consider America.

And imagine that, as you lay dying, you find out that a group of protesters, led by your own kid no less, has finally taken to the streets and torn down the sign that says welcome to Kaepernick and has a free bible, constitution or flag to burn. 

And the cops arrest your kid and put him in jail.

And he calls you, on your deathbed, to ask for help and for your forgiveness. 

And imagine the joy it would bring you to know how morally consistent you stayed your whole life as you told him to rot in jail for destruction of property.  

 
bostonfred said:
or whatever it is that you are so afraid of. 
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There. There's that condescension we all miss. Right there. Perfect encapsulation. Remember when you told a poster that he walked in wanting everyone to know how smart he was and that it was like a wad a twenties rolled around ones? Well, those were all slaveholders anyway so what's your point?

Regardless, nice job, bf. You're showing your true stripes. 

eta* Because if you were familiar with Max Power, or whatever the #### it is you're talking about all these days, you wouldn't see fit to throw that in. 

 
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And nice way of turning both the SP and FFA into political discussions even though you were the one that decided and saw fit to agitate for a special forum. I know you don't care, but we do. Kissing off should not be so hard. 

 
bostonfred said:
I am sure you know that, if some liberals have their way, we may see an era of wealth redistribution like no other, and the demographics are shifting towards a more diverse demographic who feel that they were systematically oppressed for decades even after the end of legal segregation and they may look to drastically lower the exemption on the estate tax and put a wealth tax that was favored by two of the three leading Democrat presidential candidates in this cycle.

Now this isn't the politics forum, and I don't intend to debate those statements on their merits or engage with anyone who tells me that those positions won't win.  That's a matter for the voters to decide and we might disagree on what we hope will happen but I think we can agree that the fringe support for liberal candidates started to get a voice with Bernie and Warren and that there are active voters pushing for a more progressive, liberal, or openly socialist agenda. 

And those people almost unanimously support BLM. 

Now imagine for a minute that they might win an election or even several in a row. That the world turns in a direction that you personally disagree with. And that they rename your town Kaepernick, and your driverless electric vehicle takes you past a statue of Kaepernick every day on your way to your mandatory meditation and transsexual training, or whatever it is that you are so afraid of. 

Imagine that you live long enough to see your great grandchildren indoctrinated in the Colin Kaepernick memorial high school, where they learn that he was a hero for kneeling during the anthem, and that the founding fathers were hypocritical slave owners whose murderous and war mongering ways were a stain on this country's history. 

And you great grandchild comes home and starts lecturing you about the lazy white Americans of the late 20th and early 21st century who oppressed their ancestors and were primitive and savage. 

And when you argue, your own grandchildren and even your children all take sides against you, telling you that you are a relic, stuck in the past, and look down on you for your foolish and outdated opinions, even as they realize that they have missed out on what you consider America.

And imagine that, as you lay dying, you find out that a group of protesters, led by your own kid no less, has finally taken to the streets and torn down the sign that says welcome to Kaepernick and has a free bible, constitution or flag to burn. 

And the cops arrest your kid and put him in jail.

And he calls you, on your deathbed, to ask for help and for your forgiveness. 

And imagine the joy it would bring you to know how morally consistent you stayed your whole life as you told him to rot in jail for destruction of property.  
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No you missed the point. I want the native Americans to get their land back. 

 
Max Power said:
No you missed the point. I want the native Americans to get their land back. 
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Fortunately, this is not a debate and I don't care about your political opinion any more than you care about mine here, because this is the FFA, and not a place to discuss our political preferences. 

My only goal was to point out that you might feel differently if the shoe were on the other foot, but alas you were far too clever.

 
I think we should have statues of dissenting Native Americans on all our community property. 

That's what I think. I mean, we won't even have to ask the owner of the property because it's all ours. Every last bit of it.  

 
bostonfred said:
Fortunately, this is not a debate and I don't care about your political opinion any more than you care about mine here, because this is the FFA, and not a place to discuss our political preferences. 

My only goal was to point out that you might feel differently if the shoe were on the other foot, but alas you were far too clever.
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You should be more tolerant of other people's views. The native americans suffered more than any other race in America. 

The American people dont care as evidenced by keeping professional sports teams named after the indigenous people of this land. I hope and think we change those names soon. 

 
Encumbrance said:
Don't tell me. I thought the looters and rioters should be charged with arson and theft if they burned and looted buildings and chattel.  Anyone using a molotov should have gotten an instant attempted arson charge if the state has those statutes. Any successful use of a molotov and the offender should be charged with arson. 

We should not set cities ablaze in America.  
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I can’t see why that doesn’t merit capital punishment if we have it

 
Encumbrance said:
Yeah, the severity should not be swept under the rug, but I'm not in favor or capital punishment for anything, so that's a little tricky. 
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I’m not either but like i said, if we have it, this is an incredibly violent destructive dangerous and deadly act.  Those two NY lawyers should sit in jail for the rest of their days

 
Smack Tripper said:
I’m not either but like i said, if we have it, this is an incredibly violent destructive dangerous and deadly act.  Those two NY lawyers should sit in jail for the rest of their days
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They actually may qualify for capital punishment. That's arson and at least attempted murder. 

They should rot, whatever the case.  

 
Smack Tripper said:
I can’t fathom the casual support for this chaos.  I have no love, need for or support for confederate monuments but I have less love, need for or support of mobs doing mob things.  
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I'm right with you on that. I hate violent mobs of all stripes. Some people find them justified. People's freedoms here are not at stake. They were at stake and are commemorated by the statues and set-aways of land, but these can be remedied through a legal process, not through destruction of property.  

 
All - my point to start this discussion was not political.  I’m a history buff and a history major for my undergraduate.  I was appalled and sad watching people sledgehammer historical pieces.   I see the destruction of monuments, statues etc as lost historical pieces of our history, good or bad.   We can relocate any confederate pieces to appropriate places vs destroying.  Without history, we can’t learn, evolve and be a better society.  This destructive practice is misdirected anger imho.  Please just give me a thumbs up or down here as I prefer not to wake up with 20 plus posts replying.   

 
bostonfred said:
You jerks. I had finally forgotten about nickelback, and this is how you remind me?
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Never made it as a wise man
I couldn't cut it as a poor man stealing
Tired of living like a blind man
I'm sick of sight without a sense of feeling
And this is how you remind me

 
bostonfred said:
I am sure you know that, if some liberals have their way, we may see an era of wealth redistribution like no other, and the demographics are shifting towards a more diverse demographic who feel that they were systematically oppressed for decades even after the end of legal segregation and they may look to drastically lower the exemption on the estate tax and put a wealth tax that was favored by two of the three leading Democrat presidential candidates in this cycle.

Now this isn't the politics forum, and I don't intend to debate those statements on their merits or engage with anyone who tells me that those positions won't win.  That's a matter for the voters to decide and we might disagree on what we hope will happen but I think we can agree that the fringe support for liberal candidates started to get a voice with Bernie and Warren and that there are active voters pushing for a more progressive, liberal, or openly socialist agenda. 

And those people almost unanimously support BLM. 

Now imagine for a minute that they might win an election or even several in a row. That the world turns in a direction that you personally disagree with. And that they rename your town Kaepernick, and your driverless electric vehicle takes you past a statue of Kaepernick every day on your way to your mandatory meditation and transsexual training, or whatever it is that you are so afraid of. 

Imagine that you live long enough to see your great grandchildren indoctrinated in the Colin Kaepernick memorial high school, where they learn that he was a hero for kneeling during the anthem, and that the founding fathers were hypocritical slave owners whose murderous and war mongering ways were a stain on this country's history. 

And you great grandchild comes home and starts lecturing you about the lazy white Americans of the late 20th and early 21st century who oppressed their ancestors and were primitive and savage. 

And when you argue, your own grandchildren and even your children all take sides against you, telling you that you are a relic, stuck in the past, and look down on you for your foolish and outdated opinions, even as they realize that they have missed out on what you consider America.

And imagine that, as you lay dying, you find out that a group of protesters, led by your own kid no less, has finally taken to the streets and torn down the sign that says welcome to Kaepernick and has a free bible, constitution or flag to burn. 

And the cops arrest your kid and put him in jail.

And he calls you, on your deathbed, to ask for help and for your forgiveness. 

And imagine the joy it would bring you to know how morally consistent you stayed your whole life as you told him to rot in jail for destruction of property.  
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You're listening to the FredRadio Network, tune in next week for his very special guest MOP who is returning from a 60 day FredFatCamp and you refer to him as a "Rescue Project"?

Fred: "Yes, we found him in a dumpster completely unconscious, and we were able to actually rescue him and are actively helping him rehab, this is by far been our biggest and most challenging student to date." 

 
This is the killing of free expression, free speech, etc. this is trophies.  We are placating the angry mob and giving power..  How does Using the unforgivable death of George Floyd to move our country forward?

 
stlrams said:
This is the killing of free expression, free speech, etc. this is trophies.  We are placating the angry mob and giving power..  How does Using the unforgivable death of George Floyd to move our country forward?
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I think this is a sentence fragment.  what are you trying to say?

taking down a monument is killing free expression.

 
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