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It was a tremendous raid. (4 Viewers)

Trying to think of others. These came to mind:

1. Columbus
2. Pete Rose
3. Michael Jackson
4. Roman Polansky
5. Alfred Hitchcock
Bill Cosby
Is he still liked by 30-35%? I didn't include him because I didn't think he was.

I included the people I thought qualified as still being admired after we learned of their despicable behavior.

Joe Paterno
Again, though, is he still admired by 30-35%?

I have a lot of PSU connections from where I grew up and even those PSU diehards aren't championing him anymore. In contrast, such a percentage still champion Trump, Rose, Columbus, Polansky, etc.
 
Well, since the New York AG is about to fire a ton of missiles into Trump's businesses in about 8 minutes, I'd expect the talking points over here to ramp up as a way of distracting from that.
That or the Hunter Biden thread gets bumped a bit more...and more talk about how awesome Desantis is.

I think we're safe until Hannity Carlson OAN can formulate their responses for them later.
So, it'll be financial crimes coming out of New York.... what is the relevant whataboutism? What about her emails wouldn't be close enough. The Clintons probably have some shady business deal they can dig up and use, something like that I guess.
Don't forget how she was owned by wall street...gave all those secret speeches.
 
So, it'll be financial crimes coming out of New York.... what is the relevant whataboutism? What about her emails wouldn't be close enough. The Clintons probably have some shady business deal they can dig up and use, something like that I guess.
There is a long history of misrepresenting one of the Clinton Foundation's tax fillings to argue that only what they contributed directly to other charities was actual charity work.
 
Trying to think of others. These came to mind:

1. Columbus
2. Pete Rose
3. Michael Jackson
4. Roman Polansky
5. Alfred Hitchcock
Bill Cosby
Is he still liked by 30-35%? I didn't include him because I didn't think he was.

I included the people I thought qualified as still being admired after we learned of their despicable behavior.

Joe Paterno
Again, though, is he still admired by 30-35%?

I have a lot of PSU connections from where I grew up and even those PSU diehards aren't championing him anymore. In contrast, such a percentage still champion Trump, Rose, Columbus, Polansky, etc.

I don't know how many people still admire JoePa, I would hope it's less than 30% but I don't really know. You think Polansky is that high? Rose is just icky....
 
Trying to think of others. These came to mind:

1. Columbus
2. Pete Rose
3. Michael Jackson
4. Roman Polansky
5. Alfred Hitchcock
Bill Cosby
Is he still liked by 30-35%? I didn't include him because I didn't think he was.

I included the people I thought qualified as still being admired after we learned of their despicable behavior.

Joe Paterno
Again, though, is he still admired by 30-35%?

I have a lot of PSU connections from where I grew up and even those PSU diehards aren't championing him anymore. In contrast, such a percentage still champion Trump, Rose, Columbus, Polansky, etc.

I don't know how many people still admire JoePa, I would hope it's less than 30% but I don't really know. You think Polansky is that high? Rose is just icky....
I don't think JoePa is that high. My anecdotal take is that PSU fans/supporters just want to forget that he and all the awful stuff happened (not in a negative way, just that it probably sucks for them to think about - I similarly just don't think about Kirby Puckett who was my favorite player as a kid).

Rose definitely is I think. People still clamor for the HOF, his signing lines in Vegas are still long, he still gets on TV, etc.

I suppose with Polansky the average person doesn't know who he is so I'd shorten his support to film buffs and Hollywood people. And my understanding there is that he still has significant support and admiration.
 
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But anyway, I didn't mean to derail the thread I just thought it was an interesting thought exercise to consider who else, besides Trump, is despicable yet strangely admired by a significant percentage of people.
 
But anyway, I didn't mean to derail the thread I just thought it was an interesting thought exercise to consider who else, besides Trump, is despicable yet strangely admired by a significant percentage of people.
Tom Brady.

ETA: Deshaun Watson, Ben Roethelisberger, Tyreek Hill are probably better examples from the world of sports.
 
But anyway, I didn't mean to derail the thread I just thought it was an interesting thought exercise to consider who else, besides Trump, is despicable yet strangely admired by a significant percentage of people.
Tom Brady.
Why is he despicable?
He has been involved in three (3) scandals causing a team to forfeit 1st round draft picks. Mostly a schtick answer though. See my edit for some better examples.
 
But anyway, I didn't mean to derail the thread I just thought it was an interesting thought exercise to consider who else, besides Trump, is despicable yet strangely admired by a significant percentage of people.
Tom Brady.
Why is he despicable?
He has been involved in three (3) scandals causing a team to forfeit 1st round draft picks. Mostly a schtick answer though. See my edit for some better examples.
Ah.

Jokes. I don't get them.
 
But anyway, I didn't mean to derail the thread I just thought it was an interesting thought exercise to consider who else, besides Trump, is despicable yet strangely admired by a significant percentage of people.
Tom Brady.
Why is he despicable?
He has been involved in three (3) scandals causing a team to forfeit 1st round draft picks. Mostly a schtick answer though. See my edit for some better examples.
Ah.

Jokes. I don't get them.
it helps if they are funny. :bag:
 
This seems to be a very significant development - both the nature of the charges and the direct involvement of the kids. Nowhere to pass the buck on this one.
 
But anyway, I didn't mean to derail the thread I just thought it was an interesting thought exercise to consider who else, besides Trump, is despicable yet strangely admired by a significant percentage of people.
Tom Brady.

ETA: Deshaun Watson, Ben Roethelisberger, Tyreek Hill are probably better examples from the world of sports.
Adrian Peterson.

FWIW, I turned in my Washington season tickets when they signed him and never bought them back.
 
But anyway, I didn't mean to derail the thread I just thought it was an interesting thought exercise to consider who else, besides Trump, is despicable yet strangely admired by a significant percentage of people.
Tom Brady.

ETA: Deshaun Watson, Ben Roethelisberger, Tyreek Hill are probably better examples from the world of sports.
Adrian Peterson.

FWIW, I turned in my Washington season tickets when they signed him and never bought them back.
Yeah, I got rid of my jersey (Vikings fan).

Felt really bad for a GB who named his kid after him.
 
But anyway, I didn't mean to derail the thread I just thought it was an interesting thought exercise to consider who else, besides Trump, is despicable yet strangely admired by a significant percentage of people.
Tom Brady.

ETA: Deshaun Watson, Ben Roethelisberger, Tyreek Hill are probably better examples from the world of sports.
Adrian Peterson.

FWIW, I turned in my Washington season tickets when they signed him and never bought them back.
Yeah, I got rid of my jersey (Vikings fan).

Felt really bad for a GB who named his kid after him.
I feel like most people just completely ignored what he did to his own kid. He belongs in jail IMO.
 

Appeals panel says judge erred in blocking DOJ probe of Mar-a-Lago documents​

A three-judge appeals court panel has granted the Justice Department’s request to block aspects of U.S. District Court Judge Aileen Cannon’s ruling that enjoined a criminal investigation into highly sensitive documents seized from former President Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate.

The panel ruled that Cannon erred when she prevented federal prosecutors from using the 100 documents — marked as classified — recovered from Trump’s estate as part of a criminal inquiry.
“[Trump] has not even attempted to show that he has a need to know the information contained in the classified documents,” the panel ruled in a 29-page decision. “Nor has he established that the current administration has waived that requirement for these documents.”


Two of the three judges on the panel, Andrew Brasher and Britt Grant, were appointed to the court by Trump. The third, Robin Rosenbaum, was appointed by President Barack Obama. In the unanimous decision, the judges declared it “self-evident” that the public interest favored allowing the Justice Department to determine whether any of the records were improperly disclosed, risking national security damage.

 
I've read the appellate decision. It's well reasoned and clearly written -- and it's hard to overstate how little it agrees with anything Judge Cannon did.

While this is just a partial stay, not a decision on the merits, it is clear that the appellate court strongly believes that Judge Cannon lacked jurisdiction here. In explaining why the DOJ is likely to prevail on the merits of the appeal, the 11th Circuit spelled out how every single prong of the multifactorial test for jurisdiction weighed against exercising jurisdiction. (That Trump fails the first prong, which is "indispensable" to exercising jurisdiction, is not even in dispute.) Also, even if Judge Cannon were justified in exercising jurisdiction, Trump has made no argument whatsoever that he is entitled to get any of the classified documents back (or that any of the documents marked classified are not in fact classified).

IMO, there is basically zero chance that the Supreme Court reverses the 11th Circuit here. The 11th Circuit panel (which includes two Trump-appointed judges out of the three) is just overwhelmingly correct.
 
Wow, I didn't realize that Trump's lawyers argued in court that Trump could in fact murder people without repercussion.

Lindsey Graham said Trump could 'kill 50' members of the GOP and 'it wouldn't matter': book

Years later, his lawyers defended that remark, saying in a court hearing that he could not be investigated or criminally prosecuted if he did in fact shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

"At the time, Judge Denny Chin pressed Trump lawyer William Consovoy on the limits of presidential immunity, referencing Trump's remarks about shooting someone.

"Nothing can be done, that's your position?" Chin asked Consovoy, Insider's Sonam Sheth reported.

"That is correct, that is correct," Consovoy replied."
The admiration of DJT by about 30 -35% is historical in the sense that he is likely the most despicable person to have that amount of admiration in US history.
Trying to think of others. These came to mind:

1. Columbus
2. Pete Rose
3. Michael Jackson
4. Roman Polansky
5. Alfred Hitchcock

Debatable:
1. Robert E. Lee (I think it is hard to post-judge him now, but obviously what he did was pretty objectively bad)
2. Joseph McCarthy (Did he maintain his admiration?)
3. John Wayne (seems still beloved when he was really, really terrible to people - mostly women)
5. Mother Theresa (maybe not truly despicable so doesn't qualify, but definitively overrated)
6. Walt Disney (racist and misognystic)
7. Elvis (hebephile)
I have to take serious issue mentioning Mother Theresa in any group describing despicable people. You want to argue she is overrated ( and I disagree with that as well) go ahead. But I think I could up with several thousand names of despicable people and she would not even be considered.



You might want to dig into her true treatment of children living with abject poverty. It's despicable - she believed their suffering was part of God's will or some such. There have been books written about her inhumane treatment of poor and sick children.
I will check into it. For some reason I was out of the loop on to these, dare I say allegations .
 
Lies, deflection and delay would be my guess.

It's all he knows how to do. And he's quite good at it. But it's nice to see the law process play out.

Wonder what stalling tactic he'll try next?
Can't he appeal to the entire 11th circuit now, at opposed to just the 3 DOJ appealed to? And then try the Supreme Court?

He won't win either but anything to try and slow it down.
 
Lies, deflection and delay would be my guess.

It's all he knows how to do. And he's quite good at it. But it's nice to see the law process play out.

Wonder what stalling tactic he'll try next?
Can't he appeal to the entire 11th circuit now, at opposed to just the 3 DOJ appealed to? And then try the Supreme Court?

He won't win either but anything to try and slow it down.
The DOJ has already appealed to the 11th circuit. This was just a preliminary stay of parts of Judge Cannon's order, pending the full appeal. All indications are that he will lose the appeal, then he can try to appeal that to the Supreme Court.
 
Lies, deflection and delay would be my guess.

It's all he knows how to do. And he's quite good at it. But it's nice to see the law process play out.

Wonder what stalling tactic he'll try next?
Can't he appeal to the entire 11th circuit now, at opposed to just the 3 DOJ appealed to? And then try the Supreme Court?

He won't win either but anything to try and slow it down.
The DOJ has already appealed to the 11th circuit. This was just a preliminary stay of parts of Judge Cannon's order, pending the full appeal. All indications are that he will lose the appeal, then he can try to appeal that to the Supreme Court.

It’s an entirely procedural issue. I can’t imagine that the Supreme Court would take up the case.
 
Lies, deflection and delay would be my guess.

It's all he knows how to do. And he's quite good at it. But it's nice to see the law process play out.

Wonder what stalling tactic he'll try next?
Can't he appeal to the entire 11th circuit now, at opposed to just the 3 DOJ appealed to? And then try the Supreme Court?

He won't win either but anything to try and slow it down.
The DOJ has already appealed to the 11th circuit. This was just a preliminary stay of parts of Judge Cannon's order, pending the full appeal. All indications are that he will lose the appeal, then he can try to appeal that to the Supreme Court.

It’s an entirely procedural issue. I can’t imagine that the Supreme Court would take up the case.
well maybe Ginni
 
between this and the breaking news on this ..... maybe Trump goes away faster than he would already have ... thank you Democrats for doing this in 2022

NY attorney general announces civil lawsuit against former President Trump, his kids and company

Says the guy who would vote for him 100 times out of 100 if he was the nominee :lmao:
Trump supporters in here always claim they aren't Trump supporters and yet they defend him and criticize anyone who cares to say anything bad about him.

Goodness, at least admit you are Trump supporters since it's so obvious. :lol:
 
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Judge Cannon should be embarrassed if she reads that ruling.

I would think she’s sort of required to read it.
I think there are only 2 realist options as I see it.…

1.she knew the original ruling was hot garbage but out of loyalty to Trump wrote it knowing it would likely get overturn. In this option there is no embarrassment as it was the equivalent of repaying a debt.

2. she’s convicted and blinded by her beliefs and therefore doesn’t see this current ruling as correct. In this option there is also no embarrassment.
 
she knew the original ruling was hot garbage but out of loyalty to Trump wrote it knowing it would likely get overturn. In this option there is no embarrassment as it was the equivalent of repaying a debt.
this was my first thought when it came out. She's probably relieved.
 
she knew the original ruling was hot garbage but out of loyalty to Trump wrote it knowing it would likely get overturn. In this option there is no embarrassment as it was the equivalent of repaying a debt.
this was my first thought when it came out. She's probably relieved.
You guys really think so? She already had the seat. I don’t know why she’d have to owe him a thank you at this point. I just assumed she’s a terrible judge.
 
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