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Wow, I didn't realize that Trump's lawyers argued in court that Trump could in fact murder people without repercussion.

Lindsey Graham said Trump could 'kill 50' members of the GOP and 'it wouldn't matter': book

Years later, his lawyers defended that remark, saying in a court hearing that he could not be investigated or criminally prosecuted if he did in fact shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

"At the time, Judge Denny Chin pressed Trump lawyer William Consovoy on the limits of presidential immunity, referencing Trump's remarks about shooting someone.

"Nothing can be done, that's your position?" Chin asked Consovoy, Insider's Sonam Sheth reported.

"That is correct, that is correct," Consovoy replied."
The admiration of DJT by about 30 -35% is historical in the sense that he is likely the most despicable person to have that amount of admiration in US history.
Trying to think of others. These came to mind:

1. Columbus
2. Pete Rose
3. Michael Jackson
4. Roman Polansky
5. Alfred Hitchcock

Debatable:
1. Robert E. Lee (I think it is hard to post-judge him now, but obviously what he did was pretty objectively bad)
2. Joseph McCarthy (Did he maintain his admiration?)
3. John Wayne (seems still beloved when he was really, really terrible to people - mostly women)
5. Mother Theresa (maybe not truly despicable so doesn't qualify, but definitively overrated)
6. Walt Disney (racist and misognystic)
7. Elvis (hebephile)
I have to take serious issue mentioning Mother Theresa in any group describing despicable people. You want to argue she is overrated ( and I disagree with that as well) go ahead. But I think I could up with several thousand names of despicable people and she would not even be considered.


 

Trump attorneys don't want to disclose which Mar-a-Lago documents he claims to have declassified

Donald Trump’s attorneys said in a filing Monday night that they don’t want to disclose to a court-appointed special master which Mar-a-Lago documents they assert the former president may or may not have declassified.
In a four-page letter to the special master, Trump's attorneys pushed back against Senior U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie's apparent proposal that they submit “specific information regarding declassification” to him in the course of his review.
Dearie issued an order Friday summoning both parties to the federal courthouse in Brooklyn, New York, for a preliminary conference Tuesday.
Schrodinger’s Classified Documents
 
Wow, I didn't realize that Trump's lawyers argued in court that Trump could in fact murder people without repercussion.

Lindsey Graham said Trump could 'kill 50' members of the GOP and 'it wouldn't matter': book

Years later, his lawyers defended that remark, saying in a court hearing that he could not be investigated or criminally prosecuted if he did in fact shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

"At the time, Judge Denny Chin pressed Trump lawyer William Consovoy on the limits of presidential immunity, referencing Trump's remarks about shooting someone.

"Nothing can be done, that's your position?" Chin asked Consovoy, Insider's Sonam Sheth reported.

"That is correct, that is correct," Consovoy replied."
The admiration of DJT by about 30 -35% is historical in the sense that he is likely the most despicable person to have that amount of admiration in US history.
Trying to think of others. These came to mind:

1. Columbus
2. Pete Rose
3. Michael Jackson
4. Roman Polansky
5. Alfred Hitchcock

Debatable:
1. Robert E. Lee (I think it is hard to post-judge him now, but obviously what he did was pretty objectively bad)
2. Joseph McCarthy (Did he maintain his admiration?)
3. John Wayne (seems still beloved when he was really, really terrible to people - mostly women)
5. Mother Theresa (maybe not truly despicable so doesn't qualify, but definitively overrated)
6. Walt Disney (racist and misognystic)
7. Elvis (hebephile)
I have to take serious issue mentioning Mother Theresa in any group describing despicable people.


Fair. I did note she probably didn't qualify. Maybe history will tell us more as we learn more about her.
 
Wow, I didn't realize that Trump's lawyers argued in court that Trump could in fact murder people without repercussion.

Lindsey Graham said Trump could 'kill 50' members of the GOP and 'it wouldn't matter': book

Years later, his lawyers defended that remark, saying in a court hearing that he could not be investigated or criminally prosecuted if he did in fact shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

"At the time, Judge Denny Chin pressed Trump lawyer William Consovoy on the limits of presidential immunity, referencing Trump's remarks about shooting someone.

"Nothing can be done, that's your position?" Chin asked Consovoy, Insider's Sonam Sheth reported.

"That is correct, that is correct," Consovoy replied."
The admiration of DJT by about 30 -35% is historical in the sense that he is likely the most despicable person to have that amount of admiration in US history.
Trying to think of others. These came to mind:

1. Columbus
2. Pete Rose
3. Michael Jackson
4. Roman Polansky
5. Alfred Hitchcock

Debatable:
1. Robert E. Lee (I think it is hard to post-judge him now, but obviously what he did was pretty objectively bad)
2. Joseph McCarthy (Did he maintain his admiration?)
3. John Wayne (seems still beloved when he was really, really terrible to people - mostly women)
5. Mother Theresa (maybe not truly despicable so doesn't qualify, but definitively overrated)
6. Walt Disney (racist and misognystic)
7. Elvis (hebephile)
I have to take serious issue mentioning Mother Theresa in any group describing despicable people. You want to argue she is overrated ( and I disagree with that as well) go ahead. But I think I could up with several thousand names of despicable people and she would not even be considered.


I don't know how true or false any of this is, but apparently there is a lot of evidence that she was intentionally cruel as she believed that suffering brought people closer to the lord, so she wouldn't spend the money she raised on reducing suffering for those she cared for. Again, I haven't really looked into how true or false any of that reporting may be, but that's what is out there and probably what he is referring to.
 
NEW: Special Master Raymond Dearie began his review with sharp skepticism for Donald Trump's team, particularly on their refusal to provide proof Trump declassified anything. "You can't have your cake and eat it too," he says.
 

Trump attorneys don't want to disclose which Mar-a-Lago documents he claims to have declassified

Donald Trump’s attorneys said in a filing Monday night that they don’t want to disclose to a court-appointed special master which Mar-a-Lago documents they assert the former president may or may not have declassified.
In a four-page letter to the special master, Trump's attorneys pushed back against Senior U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie's apparent proposal that they submit “specific information regarding declassification” to him in the course of his review.
Dearie issued an order Friday summoning both parties to the federal courthouse in Brooklyn, New York, for a preliminary conference Tuesday.
[Moviefone] Why don't you just tell me the name of the classified document you've selected. [/Moviefone]
 
NEW: Special Master Raymond Dearie began his review with sharp skepticism for Donald Trump's team, particularly on their refusal to provide proof Trump declassified anything. "You can't have your cake and eat it too," he says.
I‘m skeptical of this Special Masters interpretation skills if he can even get the saying right. It’s “You can’t eat your cake and have it too”. Come on Raymond!*



*with that said I am actually very much enjoying his feedback this far.
 
NEW: Special Master Raymond Dearie began his review with sharp skepticism for Donald Trump's team, particularly on their refusal to provide proof Trump declassified anything. "You can't have your cake and eat it too," he says.
I‘m skeptical of this Special Masters interpretation skills if he can even get the saying right. It’s “You can’t eat your cake and have it too”. Come on Raymond!*



*with that said I am actually very much enjoying his feedback this far.
Actually, he's right and you have it backward.
 
NEW: Special Master Raymond Dearie began his review with sharp skepticism for Donald Trump's team, particularly on their refusal to provide proof Trump declassified anything. "You can't have your cake and eat it too," he says.
I‘m skeptical of this Special Masters interpretation skills if he can even get the saying right. It’s “You can’t eat your cake and have it too”. Come on Raymond!*



*with that said I am actually very much enjoying his feedback this far.
Actually, he's right and you have it backward.
Yeah, no. 😉…..

“In my previous reader response, I mentioned the puzzling proverb “You can’t have your cake and eat it too.” Matthew Parry writes: “I’d always found ‘have your cake and eat it too’ perplexing, too, until it was pointed out the reversed construction makes sense: ‘You can’t eat your cake and have it too.’ Of course, everyone thinks I’m misquoting when I say this now!”

The version of the proverb with “eat your cake” followed by “having it” does make more sense to many people, and that is in fact how it was first formulated in English. The Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs quotes a 1546 compendium by John Heywood, “Wolde ye bothe eate your cake, and haue your cake?” In his Yale Book of Quotations, Fred Shapirosupplies a more typical phrasing from John Davies in 1611: “A man cannot eat his cake and haue it stil.”


 
Yeah, no. 😉…..

“In my previous reader response, I mentioned the puzzling proverb “You can’t have your cake and eat it too.” Matthew Parry writes: “I’d always found ‘have your cake and eat it too’ perplexing, too, until it was pointed out the reversed construction makes sense: ‘You can’t eat your cake and have it too.’ Of course, everyone thinks I’m misquoting when I say this now!”

The version of the proverb with “eat your cake” followed by “having it” does make more sense to many people, and that is in fact how it was first formulated in English. The Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs quotes a 1546 compendium by John Heywood, “Wolde ye bothe eate your cake, and haue your cake?” In his Yale Book of Quotations, Fred Shapirosupplies a more typical phrasing from John Davies in 1611: “A man cannot eat his cake and haue it stil.”
Very cool.
 
*with that said I am actually very much enjoying his feedback this far.
Where are you seeing/hearing/reading it? I'm trying to find it.
Just seeing the reports of his cornering Trumps team in to the declassification proof and his desire to work with speed on this. He’s not going to let this drag out which is exactly what Trumps number 1 tactic is, delay delay delay.
 
From a Politico article:
Trump’s attorneys argued that it was the Justice Department — not Trump — that bore the burden of showing the documents seized last month were classified. Dearie rejected that argument in his courtroom, saying that all that mattered were the markings on the documents.


I don't see this going well for Team Trump.
 

Trump attorneys don't want to disclose which Mar-a-Lago documents he claims to have declassified

Donald Trump’s attorneys said in a filing Monday night that they don’t want to disclose to a court-appointed special master which Mar-a-Lago documents they assert the former president may or may not have declassified.
In a four-page letter to the special master, Trump's attorneys pushed back against Senior U.S. District Judge Raymond Dearie's apparent proposal that they submit “specific information regarding declassification” to him in the course of his review.
Dearie issued an order Friday summoning both parties to the federal courthouse in Brooklyn, New York, for a preliminary conference Tuesday.
[Moviefone] Why don't you just tell me the name of the classified document you've selected. [/Moviefone]
:lmao: :lmao:
 
*with that said I am actually very much enjoying his feedback this far.
Where are you seeing/hearing/reading it? I'm trying to find it.
Just seeing the reports of his cornering Trumps team in to the declassification proof and his desire to work with speed on this. He’s not going to let this drag out which is exactly what Trumps number 1 tactic is, delay delay delay.
Looks like the Deep State got to ANOTHER one!!!! NEWMAN!!!!!
 
Yeah, no. 😉…..

“In my previous reader response, I mentioned the puzzling proverb “You can’t have your cake and eat it too.” Matthew Parry writes: “I’d always found ‘have your cake and eat it too’ perplexing, too, until it was pointed out the reversed construction makes sense: ‘You can’t eat your cake and have it too.’ Of course, everyone thinks I’m misquoting when I say this now!”

The version of the proverb with “eat your cake” followed by “having it” does make more sense to many people, and that is in fact how it was first formulated in English. The Oxford Dictionary of Proverbs quotes a 1546 compendium by John Heywood, “Wolde ye bothe eate your cake, and haue your cake?” In his Yale Book of Quotations, Fred Shapirosupplies a more typical phrasing from John Davies in 1611: “A man cannot eat his cake and haue it stil.”
Very cool.
Unfortunately wrong and off by a couple decades.

Link

The phrase was actually used as early as 1538 in a letter from Thomas Howard, the third Duke of Norfolk, to Thomas Cromwell, chief minister to King Henry VIII. In the letter, found and archived by British History Online, Duke of Norfolk writes:


"I require you to send me, by this bearer, my will, which ye have sealed in a box. I must alter things therein, for my substance in money and plate is not so good now by 2,000l., 'a man can not have his cake and eat his cake.'"

The idiom was later published in A Dialogue Conteynyng Prouerbes and Epigrammes by John Heywood in 1562. Heywood switches the clauses so it reads, “Wolde ye bothe eate your cake, and haue your cake?” (Several other well-known phrases or “figures of speech” have been attributed to Heywood, including “two heads are better than one” and “Rome was not built in a day.”)
 
Trump: You have to assign a special master because the President has broad power to declassify documents.

Judge 1: OK.

Judge 2: Did you declassify any documents?

Trump: I'm not answering that.

Judge 2: Well, OK then. They're classified.
 
Barb McQuade@BarbMcQuade

Judge Dearie asks "What business is it of the court" to decide whether a document is classified. At last, someone is applying the law! Classification is a core function of the executive branch, not the judiciary. If gov says it is classified, it is classified.
 
Trying to think of others. These came to mind:

1. Columbus
2. Pete Rose
3. Michael Jackson
4. Roman Polansky
5. Alfred Hitchcock
Bill Cosby
Is he still liked by 30-35%? I didn't include him because I didn't think he was.

I included the people I thought qualified as still being admired after we learned of their despicable behavior.
I agree he is surely not admired by that 30-35%. He doesn't have Faux News and multiple other Podcasters brainwashing and filling people's heads with lame excuses and lies like we all know who.
 
Trump: You have to assign a special master because the President has broad power to declassify documents.

Judge 1: OK.

Judge 2: Did you declassify any documents?

Trump: I'm not answering that.

Judge 2: Well, OK then. They're classified.
The stupidity is that if Judge 1 had done her job properly and asked the exact same question, we could have avoided this whole special master thing completely.
 
Trump: You have to assign a special master because the President has broad power to declassify documents.

Judge 1: OK.

Judge 2: Did you declassify any documents?

Trump: I'm not answering that.

Judge 2: Well, OK then. They're classified.
The stupidity is that if Judge 1 had done her job properly and asked the exact same question, we could have avoided this whole special master thing completely.
Yeah but is it really fair to ask someone completely inexperienced and unqualified for the job to be competent at it.
 
"If you asked both prosecutors and lawyers, they would say the same thing, that he is just so fair," Weissmann said. "It's unusual to have a judge where both sides just have enormous praise for somebody."

This reminds me of what people said about Robert Mueller when he was appointed.
:lmao: I had the exact same thought GB. That changed pretty quickly for some.

How soon until we start hearing criticism of the guy the Trump team put forward?
 
"If you asked both prosecutors and lawyers, they would say the same thing, that he is just so fair," Weissmann said. "It's unusual to have a judge where both sides just have enormous praise for somebody."

This reminds me of what people said about Robert Mueller when he was appointed.
:lmao: I had the exact same thought GB. That changed pretty quickly for some.

How soon until we start hearing criticism of the guy the Trump team put forward?
Trump's puppets are patiently waiting for their puppet master to give them their talking points.
 
"If you asked both prosecutors and lawyers, they would say the same thing, that he is just so fair," Weissmann said. "It's unusual to have a judge where both sides just have enormous praise for somebody."

This reminds me of what people said about Robert Mueller when he was appointed.
:lmao: I had the exact same thought GB. That changed pretty quickly for some.

How soon until we start hearing criticism of the guy the Trump team put forward?
Pretty soon Im sure. Id also bet they had him out there because of his involvement with the Carter Page warrants for 2 reasons
- Thinking he would be biased against the FBI for misrepresenting information on the FISA applications thus being better for him.
- When they start losing, like now, they can pivot to claim he was just biased because of his involvement with FISA and can't be trusted.
 
"If you asked both prosecutors and lawyers, they would say the same thing, that he is just so fair," Weissmann said. "It's unusual to have a judge where both sides just have enormous praise for somebody."

This reminds me of what people said about Robert Mueller when he was appointed.
:lmao: I had the exact same thought GB. That changed pretty quickly for some.

How soon until we start hearing criticism of the guy the Trump team put forward?
We're likely to start hearing the talking points as early as today. Apparently, the Deep State has gotten to this guy as well.
 
"If you asked both prosecutors and lawyers, they would say the same thing, that he is just so fair," Weissmann said. "It's unusual to have a judge where both sides just have enormous praise for somebody."

This reminds me of what people said about Robert Mueller when he was appointed.
:lmao: I had the exact same thought GB. That changed pretty quickly for some.

How soon until we start hearing criticism of the guy the Trump team put forward?
We're likely to start hearing the talking points as early as today. Apparently, the Deep State has gotten to this guy as well.
Obviously a Judge In Name Only
 
Well, since the New York AG is about to fire a ton of missiles into Trump's businesses in about 8 minutes, I'd expect the talking points over here to ramp up as a way of distracting from that.
That or the Hunter Biden thread gets bumped a bit more...and more talk about how awesome Desantis is.
 
Wow, I didn't realize that Trump's lawyers argued in court that Trump could in fact murder people without repercussion.

Lindsey Graham said Trump could 'kill 50' members of the GOP and 'it wouldn't matter': book

Years later, his lawyers defended that remark, saying in a court hearing that he could not be investigated or criminally prosecuted if he did in fact shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

"At the time, Judge Denny Chin pressed Trump lawyer William Consovoy on the limits of presidential immunity, referencing Trump's remarks about shooting someone.

"Nothing can be done, that's your position?" Chin asked Consovoy, Insider's Sonam Sheth reported.

"That is correct, that is correct," Consovoy replied."
The admiration of DJT by about 30 -35% is historical in the sense that he is likely the most despicable person to have that amount of admiration in US history.
Trying to think of others. These came to mind:

1. Columbus
2. Pete Rose
3. Michael Jackson
4. Roman Polansky
5. Alfred Hitchcock

Debatable:
1. Robert E. Lee (I think it is hard to post-judge him now, but obviously what he did was pretty objectively bad)
2. Joseph McCarthy (Did he maintain his admiration?)
3. John Wayne (seems still beloved when he was really, really terrible to people - mostly women)
5. Mother Theresa (maybe not truly despicable so doesn't qualify, but definitively overrated)
6. Walt Disney (racist and misognystic)
7. Elvis (hebephile)
I have to take serious issue mentioning Mother Theresa in any group describing despicable people. You want to argue she is overrated ( and I disagree with that as well) go ahead. But I think I could up with several thousand names of despicable people and she would not even be considered.



You might want to dig into her true treatment of children living with abject poverty. It's despicable - she believed their suffering was part of God's will or some such. There have been books written about her inhumane treatment of poor and sick children.
 
Well, since the New York AG is about to fire a ton of missiles into Trump's businesses in about 8 minutes, I'd expect the talking points over here to ramp up as a way of distracting from that.
James press conference at 10:30. Is there a thread dedicated to that investigation? Did a quick search, didn't see one.
 
Wow, I didn't realize that Trump's lawyers argued in court that Trump could in fact murder people without repercussion.

Lindsey Graham said Trump could 'kill 50' members of the GOP and 'it wouldn't matter': book

Years later, his lawyers defended that remark, saying in a court hearing that he could not be investigated or criminally prosecuted if he did in fact shoot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.

"At the time, Judge Denny Chin pressed Trump lawyer William Consovoy on the limits of presidential immunity, referencing Trump's remarks about shooting someone.

"Nothing can be done, that's your position?" Chin asked Consovoy, Insider's Sonam Sheth reported.

"That is correct, that is correct," Consovoy replied."
The admiration of DJT by about 30 -35% is historical in the sense that he is likely the most despicable person to have that amount of admiration in US history.
Trying to think of others. These came to mind:

1. Columbus
2. Pete Rose
3. Michael Jackson
4. Roman Polansky
5. Alfred Hitchcock

Debatable:
1. Robert E. Lee (I think it is hard to post-judge him now, but obviously what he did was pretty objectively bad)
2. Joseph McCarthy (Did he maintain his admiration?)
3. John Wayne (seems still beloved when he was really, really terrible to people - mostly women)
5. Mother Theresa (maybe not truly despicable so doesn't qualify, but definitively overrated)
6. Walt Disney (racist and misognystic)
7. Elvis (hebephile)
I have to take serious issue mentioning Mother Theresa in any group describing despicable people. You want to argue she is overrated ( and I disagree with that as well) go ahead. But I think I could up with several thousand names of despicable people and she would not even be considered.


I don't know how true or false any of this is, but apparently there is a lot of evidence that she was intentionally cruel as she believed that suffering brought people closer to the lord, so she wouldn't spend the money she raised on reducing suffering for those she cared for. Again, I haven't really looked into how true or false any of that reporting may be, but that's what is out there and probably what he is referring to.

Yeah this is what I'm talking about. She needs to be examined further.
 
Well, since the New York AG is about to fire a ton of missiles into Trump's businesses in about 8 minutes, I'd expect the talking points over here to ramp up as a way of distracting from that.
That or the Hunter Biden thread gets bumped a bit more...and more talk about how awesome Desantis is.

I think we're safe until Hannity Carlson OAN can formulate their responses for them later.
 
Well, since the New York AG is about to fire a ton of missiles into Trump's businesses in about 8 minutes, I'd expect the talking points over here to ramp up as a way of distracting from that.
That or the Hunter Biden thread gets bumped a bit more...and more talk about how awesome Desantis is.

I think we're safe until Hannity Carlson OAN can formulate their responses for them later.
So, it'll be financial crimes coming out of New York.... what is the relevant whataboutism? What about her emails wouldn't be close enough. The Clintons probably have some shady business deal they can dig up and use, something like that I guess.
 
Well, since the New York AG is about to fire a ton of missiles into Trump's businesses in about 8 minutes, I'd expect the talking points over here to ramp up as a way of distracting from that.
James press conference at 10:30. Is there a thread dedicated to that investigation? Did a quick search, didn't see one.
I don't think there is...start one. That will be one more the Trump supporters will ignore. :lol:
 
Well, since the New York AG is about to fire a ton of missiles into Trump's businesses in about 8 minutes, I'd expect the talking points over here to ramp up as a way of distracting from that.
James press conference at 10:30. Is there a thread dedicated to that investigation? Did a quick search, didn't see one.
I don't think there is...start one. That will be one more the Trump supporters will ignore. :lol:
Bumped it.

Fun fact, the new ignore feature automatically hides topics from folks you have on ignore.
 

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