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Yikes. No violence, no violence (whisper.....violence), no violence.Trump on camera again doing exactly what he is being impeached/banned from social media for
Yikes. No violence, no violence (whisper.....violence), no violence.Trump on camera again doing exactly what he is being impeached/banned from social media for
I would love if we could get tests and results for everybody in that room. As well as sequencing.Pramila Jayapal tests positive for COVID and blames it on the lockdown where others refused to wear masks. I'm not saying this is definitive, just reporting what she is alleging. Edit for link.
Wow that's pretty candid.
Yep, I thought it was incredible.Wow that's pretty candid.
While I appreciate him acknowledging and essentially admitting to multiple elements of the offense, when I've been in that spot it seems more prudent to say something like, "My client has pled not guilty and is presumed at this time to be innocent. All I can say is that I'm still getting disclosure from the state and I anticipate talking with the assigned prosecutor about this situation in the near future. I cannot comment any further at this time."
Something tells me there will be leniency for those who are honest with their intentions and situations.
Maybe a liberal public defender who belongs to an all-liberal chain of command all the way up? And this public defender feels emboldened in this specific situation to speak off the cuff because he's certain no one upstream will care a whit?Wow that's pretty candid.
While I appreciate him acknowledging and essentially admitting to multiple elements of the offense, when I've been in that spot it seems more prudent to say something like, "My client has pled not guilty and is presumed at this time to be innocent. All I can say is that I'm still getting disclosure from the state and I anticipate talking with the assigned prosecutor about this situation in the near future. I cannot comment any further at this time."
Almost surely everyone except people who killed the officer are going to get leniency. Everyone is going to get away with it and be emboldened to do it again.Something tells me there will be leniency for those who are honest with their intentions and situations.
I agree up to the bolded.Almost surely everyone except people who killed the officer are going to get leniency. Everyone is going to get away with it and be emboldened to do it again.Something tells me there will be leniency for those who are honest with their intentions and situations.
Wonder if he's an assigned attorney as part of the federal defense panel.Yep, I thought it was incredible.
Well, let's put this into context. Something like ~95% of criminal cases plead out. Obviously to incentivize a defendant to plead the state needs to make an offer whereby the defendant would get less time than he would likely get at trial if found guilty. There is oftentimes mitigation in cases as well that the state by law must consider (e.g. age, lack of priors, a particular motive, etc.). So, in that sense, "leniency" occurs in most cases and is arguably built into the system.* So, yeah, I think "leniency" would be warranted here given the circumstances and would expect reasonable please offers to be made to most of those arrested but I also don't expect that to mean that these people are "going to get away with it."Almost surely everyone except people who killed the officer are going to get leniency. Everyone is going to get away with it and be emboldened to do it again.
"tremendous danger and tremendous anger"https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1349018177624289282
More at his feed. I was watching it live on Bloomberg.
Huh? An all-liberal chain of command? What are you talking about?Maybe a liberal public defender who belongs to an all-liberal chain of command all the way up? And this public defender feels emboldened in this specific situation to speak off the cuff because he's certain no one upstream will care a whit?
Otherwise ... one would think this attorney risks professional sanction and is aware of same. Don't know, though.
Will be interesting to see in particular the people who had guns, zip ties on them and what their phone/ internet communication says as it relates to what kind of charges they get.Well, let's put this into context. Something like ~95% of criminal cases plead out. Obviously to incentivize a defendant to plead the state needs to make an offer whereby the defendant would get less time than he would likely get at trial if found guilty. There is oftentimes mitigation in cases as well that the state by law must consider (e.g. age, lack of priors, a particular motive, etc.). So, in that sense, "leniency" occurs in most cases and is arguably built into the system.* So, yeah, I think "leniency" would be warranted here given the circumstances and would expect reasonable please offers to be made to most of those arrested but I also don't expect that to mean that these people are "going to get away with it."
*I am of the opinion that legislatures either are aware that the sentencing ranges they create are overly harsh but will likely be pled down to something far more reasonable so they intentionally set them high or that they set them high to save face with their electorate and let the lawyers and judges sort it out. In other words, the outcome after a plea is likely far more just and consistent with the 8th Amendment than somebody "prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law" which is a phrase that always makes me chuckle because it doesn't really mean anything.
Ugh gosh darnit. So embarassing. I've had arms-length professional interactions with Gosar and he really doesn't seem like a crazy person. Ward, on the other hand...
Yeah, I suppose the "leniency" that's possible here would be with how they're originally charged.Will be interesting to see in particular the people who had guns, zip ties on them and what their phone/ internet communication says as it relates to what kind of charges they get.
I would assume texts and social media posts would be important here for determining the charges, right? Someone who posted angry violent things before the event would likely have that used against them? Would that alter the charges brought against them? How specific would it need to be?Yeah, I suppose the "leniency" that's possible here would be with how they're originally charged.
This is so good.
“I wish we didn’t have so many Nazis here with us.”I’ll take things never said by a right wing protester for $1000.
... what I'm trying to get at is this:Huh? An all-liberal chain of command? What are you talking about?Maybe a liberal public defender who belongs to an all-liberal chain of command all the way up? And this public defender feels emboldened in this specific situation to speak off the cuff because he's certain no one upstream will care a whit?
Otherwise ... one would think this attorney risks professional sanction and is aware of same. Don't know, though.
It really doesn't work this way at all. Public defense genuinely isn't partisan. And, regards to his possible sanctions, it'd be the client making a complaint to the federal bar association - which also isn't a political body.... what I'm trying to get at is this:
Maybe the defense attorney is comfortable speaking that way publicly because of all the people that he knows for sure can sanction him, he's confident that none of them will care what he said.
"Chain of command" just means whoever it is he reports to in real life -- public defenders don't work independently, do they? I figured they'd be part of a bureaucracy.
Most likely yes to your first two questions, possibly to the third (that's so situation specific), and too hard to say to the fourth because the answer would likely vary for each situation.I would assume texts and social media posts would be important here for determining the charges, right? Someone who posted angry violent things before the event would likely have that used against them? Would that alter the charges brought against them? How specific would it need to be?
I watch have watched those clips about once per month since 2016 to maintain my sanity.
That's ####### amazing.Oh my God, they’ve added a Ray Liotta impression voiceover.
https://twitter.com/carter_glascock/status/1348727651586871298?s=21
If I were Graham I wouldn't stand or sit close to any of the doors of the plane once it takes off.Looks like Graham’s parting of ways with Trump was short term. He’s a guess on AF1 today.
LOL Thinking it could be Scarface Diaz Brothers setup?If I were Graham I wouldn't stand or sit close to any of the doors of the plane once it takes off.
If you were Graham, you wouldn't have a choice but to do whatever Trump tells you to do.If I were Graham I wouldn't stand or sit close to any of the doors of the plane once it takes off.
And...there's the fact if you spend two months flat out lying and pretending, without any evidence, that the election was a grand fraudulent conspiracy, don't expect to get a lot of traction when your opposition to impeachment is based on needing "national unity."I can feel the healing begin when Trump addresses the media and said
1. Big tech is doing a horrible thing our company says it will be a catastrophic mistake and that they are divisive.
2. He sees more anger then he’s ever seen and we can’t have violence (ok that’s a start)
3. When asked about his role, he says all sorts of media are saying his speech was totally appropriate and says other people are the real problem because of BLM over the summer. Says “everyone to a T” analyzed Trumps speech and said it was totally appropriate.
So we should heal from this idea he did everything right and has no blame for anything that’s happened but also big tech and the Democrats are the real problem? It doesn’t seem like he’s ready to come to Jesus with us on this.
It’s going to take a lot more from him to makeup for the lies, dissension and rage he has both spread and refused to adequately confront. A casual “no more violence” slipped between his complaints about the same targets he’s been bashing for years and denying blame isn’t cutting it.And...there's the fact if you spend two months flat out lying and pretending, without any evidence, that the election was a grand fraudulent conspiracy, don't expect to get a lot of traction when your opposition to impeachment is based on needing "national unity."
I agree with this sentiment in general, but I am okay with throwing the book at the insurrectionists. This is the sort of thing that the government is correct to punish harshly IMO.My understanding is that a judge has granted an order for Angeli to be served organic food.
im as guilty of the schadenfreude as anyone, considering the no-fly list stuff, but I do hope that instead of cheering when these guys face the type of draconian treatment so other criminal defendants face, that we don’t cheer it out of a sense of fairness. The discussion of the felony murder rule is another good example.
Dumb question: How does he know it's organic?My understanding is that a judge has granted an order for Angeli to be served organic food.
im as guilty of the schadenfreude as anyone, considering the no-fly list stuff, but I do hope that instead of cheering when these guys face the type of draconian treatment so other criminal defendants face, that we don’t cheer it out of a sense of fairness. The discussion of the felony murder rule is another good example.
fwiw both attorneys were on a show last night with Cuomo asking them questions. After they bob and weaved some, Cuomo gave up and specifically said to the attorney that he was going light on him because he'd read about his background and thanked him for his service. After they finished the interview Cuomo went on to say it's nice to have a wife/doctor who can afford that kind of legal team.Wonder if he's an assigned attorney as part of the federal defense panel.
Trying to find it but I cannot.fwiw both attorneys were on a show last night with Cuomo asking them questions. After they bob and weaved some, Cuomo gave up and specifically said to the attorney that he was going light on him because he'd read about his background and thanked him for his service. After they finished the interview Cuomo went on to say it's nice to have a wife/doctor who can afford that kind of legal team.
He loves them, they are very special.Six Hours Of Paralysis: Inside Trump’s Failure To Act After A Mob Stormed The Capitol
Kevin McCarthy appealed to Jared Kushner.
Lindsey Graham called Ivanka.
Kellyanne Conway called an aide at the president's side.
All begging him to calm his rioters. But the president was too entranced by the TV.
He also had a penchant for going to Instagram and sharing his ways of getting around mask requirements, alongside videos from Alex Jones and Infowars.They wanna call me Antifa because I have a video game tattoo on my hand and I was pleading for peaceful discourse. Let em say what they will. The fake news won’t win against the thousands of patriots who recorded today.
NO WAY!One of the men that many right wing apologists on Twitter used as evidence of "Antifa" leading the riot has been arrested in Alabama. The basis for their belief was a supposed "hammer and sickle" tattoo on the back of one of his hands.
Shockingly, he isn't Antifa. In actuality, the tattoo is from the video game Dishonored. The man even complained on Snapchat that the "fake news" was calling him Antifa:
He also had a penchant for going to Instagram and sharing his ways of getting around mask requirements, alongside videos from Alex Jones and Infowars.