Well if you recall Jones and Montgomery had some successful games too.How did Janis stay buried behind jones Adams and Montgomery?
I think most Packer fans knew this. Abbrederis needs to stay healthy and he plays the same position as Cobb. Janis just needs experience in the playbook and route running.The positive from this game...Janis and Abbrederis can play.
Really surprised at how well Abbrederis bounced back from his injury. Guy should definitely be in hunt for number 3.I think most Packer fans knew this. Abbrederis needs to stay healthy and he plays the same position as Cobb. Janis just needs experience in the playbook and route running.The positive from this game...Janis and Abbrederis can play.
Not sure if Jones will be back. But with a healthy (hopefully) Nelson and Cobb, and an improving Janis and Abberderis, I can't see Adams and Jones being that big in the offense next year.That sound you hear is Davante Adams' stock deflating. Janis and Abbrederis appear to be improving.
Jones was a one year rental. He won't be back. Can't get any separation. Not worth rostering.Not sure if Jones will be back. But with a healthy (hopefully) Nelson and Cobb, and an improving Janis and Abberderis, I can't see Adams and Jones being that big in the offense next year.That sound you hear is Davante Adams' stock deflating. Janis and Abbrederis appear to be improving.
Agreed. He has great hands but cannot get separation at all.Jones was a one year rental. He won't be back. Can't get any separation. Not worth rostering.Not sure if Jones will be back. But with a healthy (hopefully) Nelson and Cobb, and an improving Janis and Abberderis, I can't see Adams and Jones being that big in the offense next year.That sound you hear is Davante Adams' stock deflating. Janis and Abbrederis appear to be improving.
I just wonder if he will ever get there. He is a great special teams player, but he lacks an understanding of how to run routes. Even in his career game, Rodgers and Janis were not on the same page alot. Packers might just want to give up on him running anything but deep routes. Will at least keep defenses honest.He's got a long way to go. But he is big and fast. So that's a start.
Even on deep routes, he doesn't have a great feel for how to draw or "sell" pass interference. He often falls backward or waits for the ball, instead of attacking back toward the ball and selling interference. Now obviously he caught two huge deep passes against Arizona. Maybe the lightbulb has gone on.I just wonder if he will ever get there. He is a great special teams player, but he lacks an understanding of how to run routes. Even in his career game, Rodgers and Janis were not on the same page alot. Packers might just want to give up on him running anything but deep routes. Will at least keep defenses honest.He's got a long way to go. But he is big and fast. So that's a start.
Offense was better because they got their offensive line back together. Janis is what he is. A big guy that can run fast. He's just not a good WR. That doesn't mean he won't ever "get it" but I am doubtful.All I can say is it seemed like when the Packers used JJ the offense seemed better, things opened up underneath and the deep ball was there.
The Packer coaches are not stupid. Adams was hurt and struggled for much of this year. Yet they wouldn't give Janis a sniff of playing time until they were forced to.Labeled any way you want, he made some pretty daggoned good plays and the league always likes playmakers.
After watching that game the other night, I have to question the coaching staff's decisions to try to force Adams onto the scene. To me, Janis is MUCH more the Jordy-type replacement than anyone else they had. An entire season of Rodgers working with Janis (had it happened) would leave me thinking this guy is about to ascend but with this team and coaches and Jordy returning, who knows?
My money is on Ty Montgomery in 2016.It seems like a real logjam, OK, damn it, now I'm thinking about that fake porno, Logjammin', from The Big Lebowski , is forming behind Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb for the WR3 position on the Packers. Any consensus on who's going to emerge between these guys?
Davante Adams
Ty Montgomery
Jared Abbrederis
Jeff Janis
James Jones
This could almost be its own thread. Should it be? Or is there one already and I missed it?
Montgomery is a slot WR. Much better there than outside. He'll be backing up Cobb in 2016, although I think he gets a handful of plays called per game for him next year. Some stuff from the slot and some while lining up as a RB.My money is on Ty Montgomery in 2016.It seems like a real logjam, OK, damn it, now I'm thinking about that fake porno, Logjammin', from The Big Lebowski , is forming behind Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb for the WR3 position on the Packers. Any consensus on who's going to emerge between these guys?
Davante Adams
Ty Montgomery
Jared Abbrederis
Jeff Janis
James Jones
This could almost be its own thread. Should it be? Or is there one already and I missed it?
McCarthy: Janis needs to hone 'fundamentals'
Packers coach Mike McCarthy said third-year WR Jeff Janis is "doing a lot of good things" at OTAs, but reemphasized that Janis needs to keep working on "the fundamentals" of wide receiver.
A playoff hero against Arizona (7-145-2), Janis scored a 60-yard touchdown on a deep jump ball at Monday's OTA session, beating Packers top CB Sam Shields. With Jordy Nelson (ACL) on the shelf, Janis is gobbling up first-team reps. "Special teams he had an excellent year last year, graded out as one of our top players," said McCarthy. "I’d like to see him take that same step as a wide receiver." 6-foot-3, 219 with 4.42 speed, Janis oozes physical tools but still needs to earn the trust of Aaron Rodgers. Jun 6 - 5:57 PM
doesn't track the over the shoulder throw very wellI though Janis' problem was running the wrong routes.
Still is. He ran the wrong route in Saturday's practice which resulted in a pick 6 for Rodgers.I though Janis' problem was running the wrong routes.
"That's all on Rodgers, brah! Just throw it to the endzone..... he can't be stopped and I have the spidey-graph that proves it! Who needs routes when you can just stack TD's on top of TD's!?@%" ~ trutherStill is. He ran the wrong route in Saturday's practice which resulted in a pick 6 for Rodgers.
Who even remembers Chris Matthews? Oh right, just me. That's what Janis is. A guy who had a big moment and has done nothing otherwise. Having the physical tools does nothing for you if the mental ones are dullSabertooth said:Every dog has his day. He owned in that game. But he's never going to reach that potential if he doesn't understand the route tree. That said Janis is more talented than Adams or Abby Normal.
I know it isn't the perfect metric, but his wonderlic score wasn't terrible: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/258550471.htmlWho even remembers Chris Matthews? Oh right, just me. That's what Janis is. A guy who had a big moment and has done nothing otherwise. Having the physical tools does nothing for you if the mental ones are dull
5 points to Ravenclaw for the use of the word "reticent"The Packers seemed very reticent to use him despite their dire need for receivers.
+1With the injuries to the Packers receivers last season, there was a huge opportunity to rise up and nobody did it. Janis must show in practice that he can't consistently get the job done. The Packers seemed very reticent to use him despite their dire need for receivers.
And with Cobb, Montgomery, and Nelson now healthy, along with the addition of Cook, I just don't see the opportunity there for a Janis. Now obviously injures can happen but that's true for any backup wideout. Janis is an injury gamble at this point.
How confident can we be that Monty is ahead of the pack? We should be able to pencil in Nelson and Cobb as starters, but from the outside it looks like Adams, Monty, Janis and Abbremumble are all interchangably mediocre.With the injuries to the Packers receivers last season, there was a huge opportunity to rise up and nobody did it. Janis must show in practice that he can't consistently get the job done. The Packers seemed very reticent to use him despite their dire need for receivers.
And with Cobb, Montgomery, and Nelson now healthy, along with the addition of Cook, I just don't see the opportunity there for a Janis. Now obviously injures can happen but that's true for any backup wideout. Janis is an injury gamble at this point.
Can't see how anyone can be very confident of that happening right now. Depending on who you ask some people think Adams, Janis or even the rookie will push for the #3 job.How confident can we be that Monty is ahead of the pack? We should be able to pencil in Nelson and Cobb as starters, but from the outside it looks like Adams, Monty, Janis and Abbremumble are all interchangably mediocre.
He hurt his shoulder early in the season, and then Rodgers got hurt a few weeks later. Look at his first 3 games and tell me he's not a WR1.Is Cobb really good enough to be considered the de facto WR2 in this offense going forward? He was decidedly mediocre when they needed someone to step up last year. His catch % and YPR both dropped significantly.
12.25 YPR. I dunno. That's why I asked the question.He hurt his shoulder early in the season, and then Rodgers got hurt a few weeks later. Look at his first 3 games and tell me he's not a WR1.
Fans don't know squat.CheeseCurds said:He ran to the right spot quite a bit in his last game vs Arizona... He beat Patrick Peterson on that TD.
I think Rodgers and McCarthy need to loosen up a bit and try and help the guy istead of constantly complaining... There were many fans that were complaining after that playoff game as to why Janis was hidden on the bench virtually all of 2015. McCarthy's hard-headed opinion on that subject had us playing Abbredaris and Adams all year long. At least Abbredaris runs the correct route - too bad he is arena league talented...
With a #1 like Nelson, yes...Cobb has proven he is a very good 2nd guy.Is Cobb really good enough to be considered the de facto WR2 in this offense going forward? He was decidedly mediocre when they needed someone to step up last year. His catch % and YPR both dropped significantly.
People love to add that ppr caveat. Would you still endorse him in 0ppr?It's Jordy owners that have a lot more to worry about than Cobb's.
Coming off a serious injury and already 31 in age are two reasons to expect the onset of some decline. Janis will make a push for time and is the type of player who can fill the Jordy role much better than the Cobb one, so I wouldn't be surprised if he steals a non-trivial amount of Jordy targets. At the end of the season, for the ADP you currently have to pay for Jordy, I doubt most owners will end up pleased.
By comparison, Cobb will just keep doing his thing and - if both he and Rodgers stay upright - will continue to post solid, if rarely spectacular, PPR numbers.
I'm not saying the odds are favorable, but just that there is a chance. Janis is approaching his third season as a developmental player. Cobb is more a product of Rodgers than a pure talent. Janis is a pure talent who needs to learn the game. We'll see how it goes.Jeff Janis, with Jordy out, couldn't gwtbreal playing time.
With Jordy back, he is going to steal non-trivial time from him?
Cobb is far more talented than Janis.I'm not saying the odds are favorable, but just that there is a chance. Janis is approaching his third season as a developmental player. Cobb is more a product of Rodgers than a pure talent. Janis is a pure talent who needs to learn the game. We'll see how it goes.
http://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jeff-janis/
http://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/randall-cobb/
Also, just to be clear, I'm not saying Janis is going to steal slot snaps from Cobb (I assume that's what you meant by "time"). Just that if Janis earns Rodgers' trust (as an outside WR) that he'll steal targets.
I feel like a broken record, but you keep glossing over this fact: 7th round pick out of Saginaw Valley.Cobb is far more talented than Janis.
As is Jordy. Janis couldn't beat out a hobbled beat up Adams last year.
I like the kid, but he has been over hyped for a while.