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dirtyjay
Footballguy
KingPrawn
Footballguy
I think most Packer fans knew this. Abbrederis needs to stay healthy and he plays the same position as Cobb. Janis just needs experience in the playbook and route running.
Balco
Footballguy
Really surprised at how well Abbrederis bounced back from his injury. Guy should definitely be in hunt for number 3.
Janis continues to have miscommunication with Rodgers. He is at his best just running deep patterns. Would think Nelson, Cobb, Adams (I am chalking up poor play to injury), and Montgomery are locks to make roster next year.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
That sound you hear is Davante Adams' stock deflating. Janis and Abbrederis appear to be improving.
Deamon
Footballguy
Not sure if Jones will be back. But with a healthy (hopefully) Nelson and Cobb, and an improving Janis and Abberderis, I can't see Adams and Jones being that big in the offense next year.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Jones was a one year rental. He won't be back. Can't get any separation. Not worth rostering.
Balco
Footballguy
SWC
Bromigo
magiccadabra aberdairis is going to get more run next year that guy has sneaky quickness and gets open 5 or 7 yards out pretty easily so i think he will get a lot more looks and they will go to a more patriots move it 5 to 7 yards to per play type offense next year with abby and the new gunslinger from down under running the shwo take that to the bank bromigos
The Captain
Footballguy
The next Jordy!!
Sabertooth
Footballguy
He's got a long way to go. But he is big and fast. So that's a start.
Balco
Footballguy
I just wonder if he will ever get there. He is a great special teams player, but he lacks an understanding of how to run routes. Even in his career game, Rodgers and Janis were not on the same page alot. Packers might just want to give up on him running anything but deep routes. Will at least keep defenses honest.
Alex P Keaton
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Even on deep routes, he doesn't have a great feel for how to draw or "sell" pass interference. He often falls backward or waits for the ball, instead of attacking back toward the ball and selling interference. Now obviously he caught two huge deep passes against Arizona. Maybe the lightbulb has gone on.
SaintsInDome2006
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All I can say is it seemed like when the Packers used JJ the offense seemed better, things opened up underneath and the deep ball was there.
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Kitrick Taylor
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Offense was better because they got their offensive line back together. Janis is what he is. A big guy that can run fast. He's just not a good WR. That doesn't mean he won't ever "get it" but I am doubtful.
FWIW, Janis cost them 4 points by running a bad route early in the game. They settled for a FG, when a good route scores an easy TD. The look on Rodgers face immediately after that spoke volumes IMO. To me it looked like he wasn't surprised Janis ran the wrong route, and was thinking how can I work with this?
Shutout
Footballguy
Labeled any way you want, he made some pretty daggoned good plays and the league always likes playmakers.
After watching that game the other night, I have to question the coaching staff's decisions to try to force Adams onto the scene. To me, Janis is MUCH more the Jordy-type replacement than anyone else they had. An entire season of Rodgers working with Janis (had it happened) would leave me thinking this guy is about to ascend but with this team and coaches and Jordy returning, who knows?
After watching that game the other night, I have to question the coaching staff's decisions to try to force Adams onto the scene. To me, Janis is MUCH more the Jordy-type replacement than anyone else they had. An entire season of Rodgers working with Janis (had it happened) would leave me thinking this guy is about to ascend but with this team and coaches and Jordy returning, who knows?
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Braktastic
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It seems like a real logjam, OK, damn it, now I'm thinking about that fake porno, Logjammin', from The Big Lebowski 
, is forming behind Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb for the WR3 position on the Packers. Any consensus on who's going to emerge between these guys?
Davante Adams
Ty Montgomery
Jared Abbrederis
Jeff Janis
James Jones
This could almost be its own thread.
Should it be? Or is there one already and I missed it?
, is forming behind Jordy Nelson and Randall Cobb for the WR3 position on the Packers. Any consensus on who's going to emerge between these guys?Davante Adams
Ty Montgomery
Jared Abbrederis
Jeff Janis
James Jones
This could almost be its own thread.
Should it be? Or is there one already and I missed it?
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
The Packer coaches are not stupid. Adams was hurt and struggled for much of this year. Yet they wouldn't give Janis a sniff of playing time until they were forced to.
Janis made two fantastic plays. Two catches, 101 yards.
The rest of the game he totaled 5 catches for 44 yards.
I don't think Rodgers or the coaching staff trust him to read defenses correctly and run good routes. He'll never be a legitimate WR in this offense until he can do both of those. Maybe it will happen for Janis. Like I said before however, I have my doubts. He's kind of like Cordarrelle Patterson in a way. Great athlete and returner. Just non-functional within the structure of an offense.
tone1oc
Footballguy
My money is on Ty Montgomery in 2016.It seems like a real logjam, OK, damn it, now I'm thinking about that fake porno, Logjammin', from The Big Lebowski
Davante Adams
Ty Montgomery
Jared Abbrederis
Jeff Janis
James Jones
This could almost be its own thread.
Kitrick Taylor
Footballguy
Montgomery is a slot WR. Much better there than outside. He'll be backing up Cobb in 2016, although I think he gets a handful of plays called per game for him next year. Some stuff from the slot and some while lining up as a RB.My money is on Ty Montgomery in 2016.It seems like a real logjam, OK, damn it, now I'm thinking about that fake porno, Logjammin', from The Big Lebowski
Davante Adams
Ty Montgomery
Jared Abbrederis
Jeff Janis
James Jones
This could almost be its own thread.
Abbrederis is also a slot guy. That's really where the logjam exists.
On the outside, its currently Nelson/Adams/Janis/Jones. Jones is an UFA and isn't likely to come back.
They could move Cobb to more of an outside WR to accommodate Montgomery or Abbrederis, but that takes him away from what he does best.
IMO, 2016 will be Nelson/Cobb/Adams as your starting 3 WRs. I know Adams was not good for large parts of 2015. Keep in mind he just turned 23, and is the same age as many of the rookie WRs this year. Lockett, Parker, Snead, DGB, Montgomery, Dorsett, Algholor are all the same age as Adams. Keep in mind too, the 2014 version of Adams was much better than the 2015, and he has flashed the talent. I don't think they'll give Adams as long of a leash in 2016, but IMO he's the easy favorite to start at outside WR right now.
tone1oc
Footballguy
I thought Adams was pedestrian in 2014 and exposed in 2015. He'll still have a role in the rotation but I think Montgomery emerges, he looked like a pretty good football player in a small sample and its hard to ignore how fast he shot up depth chart. It was Montgomery that was called upon once Adams went down and played much better than Adams ever did.
I do understand your point with regards to Ty/Cobb with similar positions, but I think that GB will make the adjustments to get their best players on the field.
I do understand your point with regards to Ty/Cobb with similar positions, but I think that GB will make the adjustments to get their best players on the field.
stuckinthemuck
Footballguy
All it takes is one headline to start the hype machine again:
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I though Janis' problem was running the wrong routes.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
KingPrawn
Footballguy
Still is. He ran the wrong route in Saturday's practice which resulted in a pick 6 for Rodgers.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Doesn't matter how big and fast you are if you are going to the wrong spot.
BoltBacker
Footballguy
"That's all on Rodgers, brah! Just throw it to the endzone..... he can't be stopped and I have the spidey-graph that proves it! Who needs routes when you can just stack TD's on top of TD's!?@%" ~ truther
CheeseCurds
Footballguy
He ran to the right spot quite a bit in his last game vs Arizona... He beat Patrick Peterson on that TD.
I think Rodgers and McCarthy need to loosen up a bit and try and help the guy istead of constantly complaining... There were many fans that were complaining after that playoff game as to why Janis was hidden on the bench virtually all of 2015. McCarthy's hard-headed opinion on that subject had us playing Abbredaris and Adams all year long. At least Abbredaris runs the correct route - too bad he is arena league talented...
I think Rodgers and McCarthy need to loosen up a bit and try and help the guy istead of constantly complaining... There were many fans that were complaining after that playoff game as to why Janis was hidden on the bench virtually all of 2015. McCarthy's hard-headed opinion on that subject had us playing Abbredaris and Adams all year long. At least Abbredaris runs the correct route - too bad he is arena league talented...
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Every dog has his day. He owned in that game. But he's never going to reach that potential if he doesn't understand the route tree. That said Janis is more talented than Adams or Abby Normal.
I know it isn't the perfect metric, but his wonderlic score wasn't terrible: http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/258550471.html
If he can get on the same page as Rodgers, the sky is the limit. I don't know why some people are so down on him. This is only his third season. It wasn't long ago that people didn't even expect their WRs to breakout until their third season. Given that he was always seen as a developmental pick, I think some patience is warranted here. If he was a first round pick with 32 starts under his belt and still couldn't get it straight then sure, there might be a problem. But this guy was a 7th round pick out of Saginaw Valley.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
With the injuries to the Packers receivers last season, there was a huge opportunity to rise up and nobody did it. Janis must show in practice that he can't consistently get the job done. The Packers seemed very reticent to use him despite their dire need for receivers.
And with Cobb, Montgomery, and Nelson now healthy, along with the addition of Cook, I just don't see the opportunity there for a Janis. Now obviously injures can happen but that's true for any backup wideout. Janis is an injury gamble at this point.
And with Cobb, Montgomery, and Nelson now healthy, along with the addition of Cook, I just don't see the opportunity there for a Janis. Now obviously injures can happen but that's true for any backup wideout. Janis is an injury gamble at this point.
How confident can we be that Monty is ahead of the pack? We should be able to pencil in Nelson and Cobb as starters, but from the outside it looks like Adams, Monty, Janis and Abbremumble are all interchangably mediocre.
Can't see how anyone can be very confident of that happening right now. Depending on who you ask some people think Adams, Janis or even the rookie will push for the #3 job.
My personal opinion is that Montgomery is not mediocre and if any one WR takes significant ownership of the #3 WR role in this offense it's going to be him. Again just my opinion and I'm not supremely confident of it or anything but I feel like if Montgomery does not take primary ownership of that #3WR role we'll see playing time for that position be more game plan specific and effectively render anyone outside of Cobb/Nelson as desperate starts assuming those two are healthy.
He hurt his shoulder early in the season, and then Rodgers got hurt a few weeks later. Look at his first 3 games and tell me he's not a WR1.
12.25 YPR. I dunno. That's why I asked the question.
I'm not saying that he's not that good. I'm just wondering aloud if someone else might be better.
Anybody who gets 120+ targets from Rodgers is going to put up great fantasy numbers. He's the best passer in the league by a large margin. So it shouldn't be surprising that Cobb put up good numbers on 28 targets in 3 games.
My gut feeling is that Cobb did the right thing by taking $10M/year to stay with Rodgers. If anybody else paid him more than that, he'd be unlikely to see the end of that contract as his production probably wouldn't justify it. I don't think it is out of the question that Janis could overtake him in targets should that light bulb come on in year 3.
sho nuff
Footballguy
It's Jordy owners that have a lot more to worry about than Cobb's.
Coming off a serious injury and already 31 in age are two reasons to expect the onset of some decline. Janis will make a push for time and is the type of player who can fill the Jordy role much better than the Cobb one, so I wouldn't be surprised if he steals a non-trivial amount of Jordy targets. At the end of the season, for the ADP you currently have to pay for Jordy, I doubt most owners will end up pleased.
By comparison, Cobb will just keep doing his thing and - if both he and Rodgers stay upright - will continue to post solid, if rarely spectacular, PPR numbers.
Coming off a serious injury and already 31 in age are two reasons to expect the onset of some decline. Janis will make a push for time and is the type of player who can fill the Jordy role much better than the Cobb one, so I wouldn't be surprised if he steals a non-trivial amount of Jordy targets. At the end of the season, for the ADP you currently have to pay for Jordy, I doubt most owners will end up pleased.
By comparison, Cobb will just keep doing his thing and - if both he and Rodgers stay upright - will continue to post solid, if rarely spectacular, PPR numbers.
People love to add that ppr caveat. Would you still endorse him in 0ppr?
I'm neither a Jordy nor Cobb owner. Was actually thinking about it from a redraft perspective. If someone like Janis emerges and Jordy is healthy, those targets are going to come from somewhere. My guess is Cobb. Rodgers loves Jordy. But you're right. He could decline. However, 31 is a little early for a WR to decline and players have been coming back strong from mid-season ACL injuries, so Jordy is a strong bounce back candidate.
I'm not saying the odds are favorable, but just that there is a chance. Janis is approaching his third season as a developmental player. Cobb is more a product of Rodgers than a pure talent. Janis is a pure talent who needs to learn the game. We'll see how it goes.
http://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/jeff-janis/
http://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/randall-cobb/
Also, just to be clear, I'm not saying Janis is going to steal slot snaps from Cobb (I assume that's what you meant by "time"). Just that if Janis earns Rodgers' trust (as an outside WR) that he'll steal targets.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Cobb is far more talented than Janis.
As is Jordy. Janis couldn't beat out a hobbled beat up Adams last year.
I like the kid, but he has been over hyped for a while.
I feel like a broken record, but you keep glossing over this fact: 7th round pick out of Saginaw Valley.
Expecting him to dominate in his first two years was wishful thinking. I get that his metrics led to some hype, but people shouldn't have ignored the fact that he was always a project. So I agree he was over hyped. But now that he's entering his 3rd season, coming off a nice playoff game, he's getting a lot of backlash due to not producing those first two years. His competition for outside WR is weak. Now is the time to take a gamble on him.
Perhaps talent was the wrong word in the other post. Physically gifted would be better. Despite being much larger, Janis smokes Cobb in every drill - even agility which is much harder for taller/heavier guys.
