Jerry Sandusky accused of child molestation (2 Viewers)

[Leeroy Jenkins]

For the Paterno did what he was supposed to crowd, i still have not seen an explanation for the basic timeline that is laid out in the grand jury testimony, which is McQueary visits Paterno on Saturday morning, and tells Paterno whatever you choose to believe McQueary told him. Then Paterno does not go to the AD until Sunday.So, Paterno certainly thought it was important enough to involve the AD on a Sunday, but not important enough to notify him immediately on Saturday?What was so important that Paterno could sleep on it? This reeks of cover-up from day 1, imo.

That isn't a lot of time to wait for a face-to-face meeting.

 

[culdeus]

This is only getting bigger....

I think that it may ultimately come out that dozens and dozens of children were raped at Pedo State facilities. How many until the school takes this seriously?

HellToupee doesn't get you.

I don't find pedophelia funny I don't think the victims would find it clever . Ithink it demeans the parents that save & work hard to give their kids an education. I think it mocks grads of the school. There are people who ahould be held accountable but I doubt its the philosophy prof. Maybe its funny in high school halls

Education <> Football

 

[Brock Middlebrook]

I don't have a problem with Paterno finishing out this season, based upon information that has come out thus far, because he's got a team full of players who have worked hard to achieve an 8-1 record and a #12 ranking. Not for the sake of Paterno, and not for the sake of PSU or the PSU fans, but for the sake of the players on that team... let them finish their season, and then get on with the witch hunt.

Tom Bradley is more than capable of filling the role of HC for the remainder of the season.

I don't think that the kids whio have worked so hard all year to achieve an 8-1 record deserve to endure this. He needs to step down now.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

For the Paterno did what he was supposed to crowd, i still have not seen an explanation for the basic timeline that is laid out in the grand jury testimony, which is McQueary visits Paterno on Saturday morning, and tells Paterno whatever you choose to believe McQueary told him. Then Paterno does not go to the AD until Sunday.So, Paterno certainly thought it was important enough to involve the AD on a Sunday, but not important enough to notify him immediately on Saturday?What was so important that Paterno could sleep on it? This reeks of cover-up from day 1, imo.

This played heavily into the idea that there was some other factor that needed to be dealt with or measured before going to the AD.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Pedo State will not act properly until national outrage reaches a sufficient level. They have shown that. I am sick at how that institution has and is handling the whole thing.Get used to it: Pedo State.

Curious- what is your alma mater?

No competitor of Pedo State. I am just truly sickened by their handling of this situation.

That's not what I asked.My alma maters have certainly had some scandals. Students committed and been the victims of sexual assaulted on campus, and even been murdered off-campus (and in at least one case I know of, murdered other students). Students have committed suicide. They've been hospitalized with alcohol poisoning and drug overdoses. Faculty and staff have also done a number of terrible things, including, I assume, committing very serious crimes like sexual assaults and the like (I have vague recollections of this, don't really feel like doing research as it is almost certainly true). And as is always the case, there are things the universities could have done to try to keep these things from happening or repeating. Therefore, I would never act like you are here, because my schools have also been guilty of the sin of inaction many many times. So I guess I'm just wondering what school you went to that is allowing you to act like such a sanctimonious [implement] with respect to Penn State.

Pretty sure my alma mater didnt cover up, protect and enable any serial child rapists committing at least some of their their crimes on campus. But thanks for your input.

 

[BigJohn]

This is only getting bigger....

I think that it may ultimately come out that dozens and dozens of children were raped at Pedo State facilities. How many until the school takes this seriously?

HellToupee doesn't get you.

I don't find pedophelia funny I don't think the victims would find it clever . Ithink it demeans the parents that save & work hard to give their kids an education. I think it mocks grads of the school. There are people who ahould be held accountable but I doubt its the philosophy prof. Maybe its funny in high school halls

LOOK THE OTHER WAY!!!!

Limp Ditka getting kinda stiff...

 

[Leroy Hoard]

...Take a second and picture them sitting in Paterno's living room...

I can't. I have no idea what his living room looks like.

I'm picturing the couches encased in plastic covers. And probably some hard candy on the coffee table.

Keep talking...

Doilies and pictures of the grandkids sit atop the cabinet tv.

I'm glad someone remembered the doilies, it was an obvious omission.

 

[whoknew]

Another good posting Chase. One thing I have been struggling with here the whole time was what was in it for Curley? Why would he lie under oath? Why wouldn't he act on what Joe and McQueary told him?

At this point, Joe is the least culpable in my mind. I do not think McQueary gave Joe the full picture. The grand jury and DA agree that both Joe and McQueary's testimony/stories do not contradict each other.

My question revolves around the 1998 incident and who at PSU knew of this investigation.

Really? Remember what McQueary saw. He saw a grown man raping a 10 year old boy. And you think he told Paterno there was just some inappropriate behavior going on? Maybe that's true, but I find that explanation incredible. How else would McQueary describe it? I think its impossible to believe that McQueary saw the rape and didn't tell Paterno the full extent. How could he not?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Editorial: "How Much Did Joe Paterno Know About 1998 Incident?"

By the way, this article was published SEVEN MONTHS AGO.

Never been a fan of Madden, but he really nailed this article.

lol at the comments.

You have to understand that Mark Madden is a blow-hard who knows more about WWE than anything else.

 

[ClownCausedChaos]

...Take a second and picture them sitting in Paterno's living room...

I can't. I have no idea what his living room looks like.

I'm going to guess a tan plaid sofa/love seat combo from about 1967. A Laz-E-Boy recliner that only Joe gets to sit in. A coffee table with a bunch of old Reader's Digests and those oversized marble thingies that are supposed to look like a bunch of grapes. One end table that with a lamp that looks like a bowling trophy and a small bowl filled with rock hard candy that tastes like old toothpaste. Throw in a really mean dachshund and/or a really obese cat that bites.

...Take a second and picture them sitting in Paterno's living room...

I can't. I have no idea what his living room looks like.

I'm picturing the couches encased in plastic covers. And probably some hard candy on the coffee table.

Keep talking...

Doilies and pictures of the grandkids sit atop the cabinet tv.

Okay, thanks guys. I think I've got it now.So anyway, you were saying, Chase?

 

[timschochet]

Nothing wrong, IMO, with the Board of Trustees appointing a committee to investigate. But what they should have done at the same time was suspend everyone involved, including Joe Paterno, from the school and football program until the investigation is complete. By not doing so their "investigation" will only create further outrage, and I have a feeling they're going to be forced to remove Paterno before the investigation is completed.

 

[culdeus]

Editorial: "How Much Did Joe Paterno Know About 1998 Incident?"

By the way, this article was published SEVEN MONTHS AGO.

Never been a fan of Madden, but he really nailed this article.

lol at the comments.

You have to understand that Mark Madden is a blow-hard who knows more about WWE than anything else.

He seemed to have this thing pretty much nailed to the wall.

 

[Todd Andrews]

This is only getting bigger....

I think that it may ultimately come out that dozens and dozens of children were raped at Pedo State facilities. How many until the school takes this seriously?

HellToupee doesn't get you.

I don't find pedophelia funny I don't think the victims would find it clever . Ithink it demeans the parents that save & work hard to give their kids an education. I think it mocks grads of the school. There are people who ahould be held accountable but I doubt its the philosophy prof. Maybe its funny in high school halls

You think my postings here demean the parents of Pedo State kids and Pedo State grads? Do you think the actions of the University officials who knew about the child rape(s) demeans them, too?

 

[Buck Bradcanon]

Pedo State will not act properly until national outrage reaches a sufficient level. They have shown that. I am sick at how that institution has and is handling the whole thing.Get used to it: Pedo State.

Curious- what is your alma mater?

No competitor of Pedo State. I am just truly sickened by their handling of this situation.

That's not what I asked.My alma maters have certainly had some scandals. Students committed and been the victims of sexual assaulted on campus, and even been murdered off-campus (and in at least one case I know of, murdered other students). Students have committed suicide. They've been hospitalized with alcohol poisoning and drug overdoses. Faculty and staff have also done a number of terrible things, including, I assume, committing very serious crimes like sexual assaults and the like (I have vague recollections of this, don't really feel like doing research as it is almost certainly true). And as is always the case, there are things the universities could have done to try to keep these things from happening or repeating. Therefore, I would never act like you are here, because my schools have also been guilty of the sin of inaction many many times. So I guess I'm just wondering what school you went to that is allowing you to act like such a sanctimonious [implement] with respect to Penn State.

I always like your contributions.

 

[ODoyleRules]

Oh and did you know Sandusky wrote a book?

Touched

up to 20 mentions in this thread alone! sales are going to go through the roof.

How many Something for Joey references have been made?

 

[randall146]

Is this a conspiracy theory? Of course. But the most likely explanation is the simplest.

 

[Reepicheep]

lots of rumors on the PSU messageboard that the next shoe to drop is Sandusky's (and the PSU admin) role in the death of Ray Gricar (the DA that investigated the 1998 incident)..

probably made up, but you never know

I would expect this to start to get more attention. http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/sandusky-investigator-center-mystery/story?id=14905668#.TrnPW0OIk8k

It does not add up that a DA would see all this and then not move forward with the process. You legal guys please chime in as to what the DA does there and how he does it. But no charges and a mysteriously missing DA does not sound good either.

J

The DA's brother had killed himself in a similar fashion 9 years earlier. The brother had suffered from bipolar disorder, and it has been speculated that the DA suffered from something similar.Nonetheless, it's very troubling that the DA had done web searches on how to erase a hard drive, and a few weeks later his erased hard drive was found in the river.

This is pure speculation. The DA in the 1998 case goes missing in 2005, and his hard drive from his laptop turns up damaged beyond all repair. He searched from his home two weeks before he went missing for information on how to destroy hard drives. Fill in the missing pieces that somehow wraps this into the Sandusky scandal.

Something on the HD that linked him back to a cover-up in '99? Maybe he got paid off? Then couldn't live with it anymore, and decided to trash the evidence and commit suicide? Or somewhere along the line more allegations came up, and he was getting more heat from Sandusky, and decided to cover up any connection and just disappear? So his kids can keep the $ and he can live? Just a couple ideas off the top of my head.I agree it's a stretch, and there are so many different kinds of crazy dealings that a DA can end up neck-deep in. But there is some serious $$$ at stake in college football, this is no joke.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Is this a conspiracy theory? Of course. But the most likely explanation is the simplest.

Give me one other reason why the HC, AD and school president are cool with a child rapist hanging out campus and representing the school in an official capacity.

 

[phatdawg]

I wonder if the Big Ten will consider renaming the name of its championship trophy for football.

Somehow, I doubt the Stagg-Paterno Championship Trophy is appropriate.

 

[Sinn Fein]

For the Paterno did what he was supposed to crowd, i still have not seen an explanation for the basic timeline that is laid out in the grand jury testimony, which is McQueary visits Paterno on Saturday morning, and tells Paterno whatever you choose to believe McQueary told him. Then Paterno does not go to the AD until Sunday.So, Paterno certainly thought it was important enough to involve the AD on a Sunday, but not important enough to notify him immediately on Saturday?What was so important that Paterno could sleep on it? This reeks of cover-up from day 1, imo.

That isn't a lot of time to wait for a face-to-face meeting.

Tell me you are not serious. If I get wind of an employee who has sexually assaulted someone in our office, and I decide to wait until tomorrow to notify HR, I am probably getting fired.There is no reason, on a charge this serious - even if you did not believe it - that you do not escalate this immediately. If you are Joe Paterno, you call the AD, and the President, on Saturday and say we have a problem. This assumes that you don't involve the police right away.

 

[B-Deep]

For the Paterno did what he was supposed to crowd, i still have not seen an explanation for the basic timeline that is laid out in the grand jury testimony, which is McQueary visits Paterno on Saturday morning, and tells Paterno whatever you choose to believe McQueary told him. Then Paterno does not go to the AD until Sunday.So, Paterno certainly thought it was important enough to involve the AD on a Sunday, but not important enough to notify him immediately on Saturday?What was so important that Paterno could sleep on it? This reeks of cover-up from day 1, imo.

the only play there was to call the AD right away, and then sit there while the GA calls the copssit with the kid, tell him it is time to do what he should have done last night, and watch him call the copsthat's the only answer

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

seems like a huge reach to connect the missing DA with this case. Guy could have been involved in dozens or hundreds of other cases that put him in the crosshairs of some bad people, no?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Another good posting Chase. One thing I have been struggling with here the whole time was what was in it for Curley? Why would he lie under oath? Why wouldn't he act on what Joe and McQueary told him?

At this point, Joe is the least culpable in my mind. I do not think McQueary gave Joe the full picture. The grand jury and DA agree that both Joe and McQueary's testimony/stories do not contradict each other.

My question revolves around the 1998 incident and who at PSU knew of this investigation.

Really? Remember what McQueary saw. He saw a grown man raping a 10 year old boy. And you think he told Paterno there was just some inappropriate behavior going on? Maybe that's true, but I find that explanation incredible. How else would McQueary describe it? I think its impossible to believe that McQueary saw the rape and didn't tell Paterno the full extent. How could he not?

Would you tell your conservative 80 year old grandfather all of those gruesome details, or would you use a little more tact? Based on the coward McQueary calling his dad asking what he should do, I think he did something similar with Paterno. He told him what he saw, but in more general terms. He asked Joe what he should do. Joe should have said to call the police. Instead, Joe said he would call the AD and the school would take it from there etc.

 

[culdeus]

For the Paterno did what he was supposed to crowd, i still have not seen an explanation for the basic timeline that is laid out in the grand jury testimony, which is McQueary visits Paterno on Saturday morning, and tells Paterno whatever you choose to believe McQueary told him. Then Paterno does not go to the AD until Sunday.

So, Paterno certainly thought it was important enough to involve the AD on a Sunday, but not important enough to notify him immediately on Saturday?

What was so important that Paterno could sleep on it? This reeks of cover-up from day 1, imo.

the only play there was to call the AD right away, and then sit there while the GA calls the copssit with the kid, tell him it is time to do what he should have done last night, and watch him call the cops

that's the only answer

I don't think anyone has grasped that Paterno was told of Victim 2 WHILE IT WAS STILL IN PROGRESS..

 

[timschochet]

I think its impossible to believe that McQueary saw the rape and didn't tell Paterno the full extent. How could he not?

This is one of the two key points that caused me to change my thinking about this situation. Originally, as I posted here, I thought Paterno was being railroaded without evidence. Since he had always been someone I admired, I defended him.The other point, just as large in my mind, is the fact that though the school never notified the authorities about Sandusky, the man who accused him, McQueary, stayed with the program and was eventually promoted to assistant coach. This makes absolutely no sense. Either Paterno thinks Sandusky is guilty, in which case he covered up for him, or he thinks McQueary must be some kind of crazy liar, in which case why was he promoted? There can be logical explanation for this fact except that Paterno is guilty of a cover up.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

For the Paterno did what he was supposed to crowd, i still have not seen an explanation for the basic timeline that is laid out in the grand jury testimony, which is McQueary visits Paterno on Saturday morning, and tells Paterno whatever you choose to believe McQueary told him. Then Paterno does not go to the AD until Sunday.So, Paterno certainly thought it was important enough to involve the AD on a Sunday, but not important enough to notify him immediately on Saturday?What was so important that Paterno could sleep on it? This reeks of cover-up from day 1, imo.

That isn't a lot of time to wait for a face-to-face meeting.

Tell me you are not serious. If I get wind of an employee who has sexually assaulted someone in our office, and I decide to wait until tomorrow to notify HR, I am probably getting fired.There is no reason, on a charge this serious - even if you did not believe it - that you do not escalate this immediately. If you are Joe Paterno, you call the AD, and the President, on Saturday and say we have a problem. This assumes that you don't involve the police right away.

Did Joe not call them until Sunday, or not speak with them until Sunday? There is a difference.

 

[tri-man 47]

Joe Pa stepping down at year-end (per CNN)...not good enough. He doesn't deserve a smooth sailing into the sunset. The victims deserve better.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

For the Paterno did what he was supposed to crowd, i still have not seen an explanation for the basic timeline that is laid out in the grand jury testimony, which is McQueary visits Paterno on Saturday morning, and tells Paterno whatever you choose to believe McQueary told him. Then Paterno does not go to the AD until Sunday.

So, Paterno certainly thought it was important enough to involve the AD on a Sunday, but not important enough to notify him immediately on Saturday?

What was so important that Paterno could sleep on it? This reeks of cover-up from day 1, imo.

the only play there was to call the AD right away, and then sit there while the GA calls the copssit with the kid, tell him it is time to do what he should have done last night, and watch him call the cops

that's the only answer

I don't think anyone has grasped that Paterno was told of Victim 2 WHILE IT WAS STILL IN PROGRESS..

What are you talking about? McQueary saw the act on friday night. Called his dad from the football building. Then went to his dad's house. The next day he went to Joe's house.

 

[timschochet]

Attorneys out there- if you are the parents of one of the molested children, whom could you justifiably sue in this situation? Can you sue the University, or Paterno? (I realize that technically you can sue anybody, but I'm talking about suing with reasonable expectations of some kind of award.)

 

[Joe Bryant]

I've been hearing some criticism of the Penn State students on the radio this morning, the ones who went to Paterno's house last night and shouted their loyalty. I don't think this group should be criticized. This is human nature. Someone whom they regard as "one of their own" is under attack nationally, and the common reaction is to rally around him. Bob Knight received the same treatment. Given all of the facts and time to reflect, I'm betting that many if not most of these students will come to regret the fact that they were such vocal supporters of Paterno once this story broke. But let's not blame them for reacting emotionally in the initial stages.

Couldn't disagree more.People get to act however they want and they get a free pass because they're "emotional"? It's ok somehow as long as many of them regret it later?When you hear: "Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right." and the very first response is to shout "We love you Joe". I don't give that a free pass. I'm sorry.I think it's a symptom of the bigger picture which looks to me why this was allowed to go on - the power wielded by the football program here allowed it to be above the law. Does anyone for a minute think this kind of thing would have been allowed to continue the same way if Sandusky was a non famous elementary school teacher with no political clout and his boss wasn't a legendary football coach? I don't.The blind loyalty ignoring reality is scary.And the question about turning your back on the guy is fair. But there is a difference between supporting someone you love and going to party on their front yard and yell for their hero. I can see that the decision to turn your friend into the police would be excruciating. That had to be difficult for Paterno. But if he knew about it, allowing it go on is worse in my opinion.J

 

[johnnycakes]

Attorneys out there- if you are the parents of one of the molested children, whom could you justifiably sue in this situation? Can you sue the University, or Paterno? (I realize that technically you can sue anybody, but I'm talking about suing with reasonable expectations of some kind of award.)

gotta think bigger than that, timbo. state university. Sue the state.

 

[RUSF18]

I've heard speculation re: McQueary that going from grad assistant to the position he currently holds (WR coach, head of recruiting) is pretty meteoric and now comes into question given the back story. Was he promoted to keep quite? My guess is yes but there will never be any way to prove it other than in the court of public opinion.

A large majority of coaches begin as graduate assistants. It's not "meteoric" at all to go from GA to HC even in a 10 year period.

 

[whoknew]

Another good posting Chase. One thing I have been struggling with here the whole time was what was in it for Curley? Why would he lie under oath? Why wouldn't he act on what Joe and McQueary told him?

At this point, Joe is the least culpable in my mind. I do not think McQueary gave Joe the full picture. The grand jury and DA agree that both Joe and McQueary's testimony/stories do not contradict each other.

My question revolves around the 1998 incident and who at PSU knew of this investigation.

Really? Remember what McQueary saw. He saw a grown man raping a 10 year old boy. And you think he told Paterno there was just some inappropriate behavior going on? Maybe that's true, but I find that explanation incredible. How else would McQueary describe it? I think its impossible to believe that McQueary saw the rape and didn't tell Paterno the full extent. How could he not?

Would you tell your conservative 80 year old grandfather all of those gruesome details, or would you use a little more tact? Based on the coward McQueary calling his dad asking what he should do, I think he did something similar with Paterno. He told him what he saw, but in more general terms. He asked Joe what he should do. Joe should have said to call the police. Instead, Joe said he would call the AD and the school would take it from there etc.

Again, I'm not buying it. First, Paterno was 75 not 80. Second - he wasn't McQueary's grandfather. He was his boss. At the minimum, McQueary would have said, "Sandusky was having sex with a 10 year old boy." That's not a gruesome detail but it does convey what happened better than "inappropriate conduct." And its MORE than enough to put Paterno into action. Or at least it should have been.

Even if MM was vague at the beginning of the talk, at some point when he saw how Paterno was reacting, he HAD to have made it clear what happened. It was too big. Too dramatic. There's no way he brushed it aside.

And even if he didn't tell Paterno at the initial meeting (which, again, I think is completely unbelievable), there's simply no way MM didn't make it clear to the AD the next day. At a meeting that Paterno attended.

Paterno knew what happened.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Attorneys out there- if you are the parents of one of the molested children, whom could you justifiably sue in this situation? Can you sue the University, or Paterno? (I realize that technically you can sue anybody, but I'm talking about suing with reasonable expectations of some kind of award.)

gotta think bigger than that, timbo. state university. Sue the state.

Actually that is not as big as you might think - states often have immunity, better to go after the university, which has a nearly bottomless pit of money to grab.

 

[culdeus]

For the Paterno did what he was supposed to crowd, i still have not seen an explanation for the basic timeline that is laid out in the grand jury testimony, which is McQueary visits Paterno on Saturday morning, and tells Paterno whatever you choose to believe McQueary told him. Then Paterno does not go to the AD until Sunday.

So, Paterno certainly thought it was important enough to involve the AD on a Sunday, but not important enough to notify him immediately on Saturday?

What was so important that Paterno could sleep on it? This reeks of cover-up from day 1, imo.

the only play there was to call the AD right away, and then sit there while the GA calls the copssit with the kid, tell him it is time to do what he should have done last night, and watch him call the cops

that's the only answer

I don't think anyone has grasped that Paterno was told of Victim 2 WHILE IT WAS STILL IN PROGRESS..

What are you talking about? McQueary saw the act on friday night. Called his dad from the football building. Then went to his dad's house. The next day he went to Joe's house.

Is this the correct timeline? I thought Paterno was thought to be on campus and nearby and was notified in person fairly quickly. So many details of this are hazy.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Pedo State will not act properly until national outrage reaches a sufficient level. They have shown that. I am sick at how that institution has and is handling the whole thing.Get used to it: Pedo State.

Curious- what is your alma mater?

No competitor of Pedo State. I am just truly sickened by their handling of this situation.

That's not what I asked.My alma maters have certainly had some scandals. Students committed and been the victims of sexual assaulted on campus, and even been murdered off-campus (and in at least one case I know of, murdered other students). Students have committed suicide. They've been hospitalized with alcohol poisoning and drug overdoses. Faculty and staff have also done a number of terrible things, including, I assume, committing very serious crimes like sexual assaults and the like (I have vague recollections of this, don't really feel like doing research as it is almost certainly true). And as is always the case, there are things the universities could have done to try to keep these things from happening or repeating. Therefore, I would never act like you are here, because my schools have also been guilty of the sin of inaction many many times. So I guess I'm just wondering what school you went to that is allowing you to act like such a sanctimonious [implement] with respect to Penn State.

Pretty sure my alma mater didnt cover up, protect and enable any serial child rapists committing at least some of their their crimes on campus. But thanks for your input.

So you won't let us be the judge of whether your alma mater has committed any comparable crimes. Instead you ask us to take you at your word while you throw around juvenile insults. Got it.

 

[shadyridr]

Dumb question. Which victim started this investigation? How did they find out about all 8 victims? If this stuff was all kept on the hush hush until recently.

 

[E-Z Glider]

It's not schadenfreude, it's outrage.

Yeah, nothing says "outrage" quite like childishly mocking pedophilia.

 

[Joe Bryant]

seems like a huge reach to connect the missing DA with this case. Guy could have been involved in dozens or hundreds of other cases that put him in the crosshairs of some bad people, no?

Hi Aaron, sure it's a reach as there is no evidence. But a DA that mysteriously goes missing as one of the biggest scandals in college sports stays quiet (for a while) would definitely raise suspicion. Maybe I've seen too many movies but that was the first thing I thought of when I heard the guy was found missing like that.J

 

[CrossEyed]

Attorneys out there- if you are the parents of one of the molested children, whom could you justifiably sue in this situation? Can you sue the University, or Paterno? (I realize that technically you can sue anybody, but I'm talking about suing with reasonable expectations of some kind of award.)

gotta think bigger than that, timbo. state university. Sue the state.

As I've pointed out repeatedly in this thread, it's a state-related university, not a state university. It operates independently.

 

[Moonlight]

I think its impossible to believe that McQueary saw the rape and didn't tell Paterno the full extent. How could he not?

This is one of the two key points that caused me to change my thinking about this situation. Originally, as I posted here, I thought Paterno was being railroaded without evidence. Since he had always been someone I admired, I defended him.The other point, just as large in my mind, is the fact that though the school never notified the authorities about Sandusky, the man who accused him, McQueary, stayed with the program and was eventually promoted to assistant coach. This makes absolutely no sense. Either Paterno thinks Sandusky is guilty, in which case he covered up for him, or he thinks McQueary must be some kind of crazy liar, in which case why was he promoted? There can be logical explanation for this fact except that Paterno is guilty of a cover up.

Exactly Paterno agreed to the cover up and Paterno had to know the police were not contacted as well since no one was ever interviewed.

 

[timschochet]

I've been hearing some criticism of the Penn State students on the radio this morning, the ones who went to Paterno's house last night and shouted their loyalty. I don't think this group should be criticized. This is human nature. Someone whom they regard as "one of their own" is under attack nationally, and the common reaction is to rally around him. Bob Knight received the same treatment. Given all of the facts and time to reflect, I'm betting that many if not most of these students will come to regret the fact that they were such vocal supporters of Paterno once this story broke. But let's not blame them for reacting emotionally in the initial stages.

Couldn't disagree more.People get to act however they want and they get a free pass because they're "emotional"? It's ok somehow as long as many of them regret it later?When you hear: "Tough life, when people do certain things to you. Anyway, you've been great. Everything's great, all right." and the very first response is to shout "We love you Joe". I don't give that a free pass. I'm sorry.I think it's a symptom of the bigger picture which looks to me why this was allowed to go on - the power wielded by the football program here allowed it to be above the law. Does anyone for a minute think this kind of thing would have been allowed to continue the same way if Sandusky was a non famous elementary school teacher with no political clout and his boss wasn't a legendary football coach? I don't.The blind loyalty ignoring reality is scary.And the question about turning your back on the guy is fair. But there is a difference between supporting someone you love and going to party on their front yard and yell for their hero. I can see that the decision to turn your friend into the police would be excruciating. That had to be difficult for Paterno. But if he knew about it, allowing it go on is worse in my opinion.J

Thanks for posting this again. But I believe it's human nature to rally around your own, especially when the criticism appears to come from national sources. Unlike you I think we should be generous with these students and give them a break for their initial reaction. If they continue to act this way in a few weeks' time, then I personally wouldn't be so forgiving.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

Attorneys out there- if you are the parents of one of the molested children, whom could you justifiably sue in this situation? Can you sue the University, or Paterno? (I realize that technically you can sue anybody, but I'm talking about suing with reasonable expectations of some kind of award.)

gotta think bigger than that, timbo. state university. Sue the state.

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[CrossEyed]

Dumb question. Which victim started this investigation? How did they find out about all 8 victims? If this stuff was all kept on the hush hush until recently.

A high school kid where Sandusky was a volunteer coach went to his mom, who went to the high school, who called the police.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Another good posting Chase. One thing I have been struggling with here the whole time was what was in it for Curley? Why would he lie under oath? Why wouldn't he act on what Joe and McQueary told him?

At this point, Joe is the least culpable in my mind. I do not think McQueary gave Joe the full picture. The grand jury and DA agree that both Joe and McQueary's testimony/stories do not contradict each other.

My question revolves around the 1998 incident and who at PSU knew of this investigation.

Really? Remember what McQueary saw. He saw a grown man raping a 10 year old boy. And you think he told Paterno there was just some inappropriate behavior going on? Maybe that's true, but I find that explanation incredible. How else would McQueary describe it? I think its impossible to believe that McQueary saw the rape and didn't tell Paterno the full extent. How could he not?

Would you tell your conservative 80 year old grandfather all of those gruesome details, or would you use a little more tact? Based on the coward McQueary calling his dad asking what he should do, I think he did something similar with Paterno. He told him what he saw, but in more general terms. He asked Joe what he should do. Joe should have said to call the police. Instead, Joe said he would call the AD and the school would take it from there etc.

Again, I'm not buying it. First, Paterno was 75 not 80. Second - he wasn't McQueary's grandfather. He was his boss. At the minimum, McQueary would have said, "Sandusky was having sex with a 10 year old boy." That's not a gruesome detail but it does convey what happened better than "inappropriate conduct." And its MORE than enough to put Paterno into action. Or at least it should have been.

Even if MM was vague at the beginning of the talk, at some point when he saw how Paterno was reacting, he HAD to have made it clear what happened. It was too big. Too dramatic. There's no way he brushed it aside.

And even if he didn't tell Paterno at the initial meeting (which, again, I think is completely unbelievable), there's simply no way MM didn't make it clear to the AD the next day. At a meeting that Paterno attended.

Paterno knew what happened.

Paterno was not at the meeting with McQueary and the AD. The AD did not contact McQueary for over a week. Nobody doubts McQueary gave all the details to the AD. The grand jury and DA believe what Joe said Mcqueary told him. That's why he isn't charged with perjury.

 

[AmosMoses]

Up to 17 victims so far. Thanks, Pedo State.

 

[Chase Stuart]

Attorneys out there- if you are the parents of one of the molested children, whom could you justifiably sue in this situation? Can you sue the University, or Paterno? (I realize that technically you can sue anybody, but I'm talking about suing with reasonable expectations of some kind of award.)

Unless there's a statute to sue under -- and I have no idea if there is -- I think you're left with common law negligence.One of the elements of negligence is duty of care; it would be hard to think what duty of care Paterno would owe any of the victims (legally speaking). Same goes for the University. If I'm building you a house, I owe you a duty of care not to negligently build it. If I'm driving my car next to you, I owe you a duty of care to drive safely.But unless Paterno or University officials were putting those kids in rooms with Sandusky, I don't see a duty of care breach.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Dumb question. Which victim started this investigation? How did they find out about all 8 victims? If this stuff was all kept on the hush hush until recently.

A high school kid where Sandusky was a volunteer coach went to his mom, who went to the high school, who called the police.

I thought a HS wresting coach came upon them and informed the principal and it went from there.

 

[Aaron Rudnicki]

seems like a huge reach to connect the missing DA with this case. Guy could have been involved in dozens or hundreds of other cases that put him in the crosshairs of some bad people, no?

Hi Aaron, sure it's a reach as there is no evidence. But a DA that mysteriously goes missing as one of the biggest scandals in college sports stays quiet (for a while) would definitely raise suspicion. Maybe I've seen too many movies but that was the first thing I thought of when I heard the guy was found missing like that.J

he also had a bipolar brother who killed himself. just seems too Hollywood for that to connect to this, but no way to know for sure.who exactly would be behind disappearing this guy? Sandusky? the Penn State administration? some powerful booster?

 

[JZilla]

It's not schadenfreude, it's outrage.

Yeah, nothing says "outrage" quite like childishly mocking pedophilia.

Don't take me out of context, #######. Was not talking about the Pedo State stuff.