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Jerry says Romo should play..Wade "Whatever Jerry says" (1 Viewer)
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Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
The title of this thread made me laugh out loud.
Relentless
Footballguy
He sure as hell can't play Safety or WR.
Johnny Ice
Footballguy
I feel sorry for Wade. 
Does he have any dignity left?
Does he have any dignity left?
EBF
Footballguy
The Cowboys are 4-2 and definitely one of the contenders in the NFC. They might not be as dominant as people expected, but I don't think I'd compare Jerry Jones to Al Davis just yet. I actually think the team has mostly made the correct personnel moves. They overpaid for Roy, but it wasn't robbery when you consider the success rate of draft picks.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
Good posting EBF. I think they overpaid myself but at least you know you have a quality player at the NFL level and you're not just thinking that you do based on college games, especially at WR.Jerry Jones gets a bad rap IMO. The one thing about Jerry Jones is that he has a passion for the Cowboys and for them to succeed. Does he always make the correct decisions........no way but nobody can deny that he's giving 100 percent to make the Cowboys their absolute best.After living in Detroit my entire life and watching the Detroit Lions owned by William Clay Ford, there is no comparison. You'd take an owner like a Jerry Jones who'd give anything for his team to be NO. 1 compared to a guy like Ford who really could care less. I'm sure Mr. Ford would never say he cares less about his Lions, but actions speak louder than words and 1 playoff win since Super Bowl 1 speaks volumes about how that organization is run and what they as a franchise think is valuable.EBF said:
Godsbrother
Footballguy
slowly evolving? I'd say he's been Al Davis, Jr. the day he bought the club!Da Guru said:
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I agree somewhat, but now he is acting like he does not have a HC.On NFF teams the HC makes this call, not the owner. I am still puzzled as to why JJ does not just take over the HC job himself.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Because, like Dan Snyder and Al Davis, he's a coward and a bully.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Yes...he is slightly better than Al Davis I guess.But the Cowboys are 66-68 (I think that is what I came up with earlier this week) since 2000. With 3 playoff appearances and 0 playoff wins.Oakland in that time?53-803 playoff appearances, 4 playoff wins and a super bowl appearance.Could have been more if not for the tuck rule too.Granted, those teams are trending in different directions currently.But lets not act as if the boys have been lighting things on fire.And perhaps if he was better at drafting, he would have a better success rate with draft picks.And the success rate is much better for the 1st and 3rd rounders too.EBF said:
sho nuff
Footballguy
Oh...and its not just about overpaying in draft picks...did you see the contract Roy got?
Great article by Andrew Brandt about Jerry's practices...
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/1...re-of-the-deal/
Great article by Andrew Brandt about Jerry's practices...
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/2008/1...re-of-the-deal/
T Bell
Footballguy
I can teach a monkey to play the drums passionately. That won't make him a good drummer. I think it's great that Jones invests money in his team. Before we go beatifying him over that, though, when you own one of the league's most valuable franchises and like to trumpet your five championships, you have both the financial wherewithal to do that (with cash on hand to spend on bonuses) and the expectation that you do that. If Jones didn't spend money to win as owner of the Cowboys, then that would be news.
The test here for Dallas is playoff wins. If this was Arizona or Cincinnati or some other lesser organization, then it would be different, but Jerry has not a single playoff win to show for teams that were built primarily with talent obtained on his watch as GM. I don't see how congratulations are in order.
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
It's obvious that Jerry is a Romo/Warner owner in the subscriber contest
Manster
Footballguy
this is the kind of stuff that gets blown out of proportion. the media will make soap operas wherever they can. but Wade definately needs to grow a pair.that said, i've given Wade the benefit of the doubt so far. but if the Cowboys keep playing like they did last wk, getting QBs and punters killed! 
then it will be time to make some changes. i predict that if the Cowboys fail to make the playoffs this yr, Wade is fired, and JJ brings in another discipline guy. say like a Cowher, Gruden kinda coach.Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
A Q.B. playing through pain earns the respect of his team mates and becomes a leader. One who sits with a bad pinkie, is seen in mexico with Jessica Simpson during that time or out clubbing tears the team apart. I believe there is risk here. He is not the most sure handed guy to start with and there is certainly some risk of further injury. I know the decision will be viewed in 20/20 hindsight if there is an injury or a game losing fumble, but it is the right decision to play him. Playoff wins are forged now as teams and players exhibit guts and toughness.
As for Jones he is an idiot. Absent lucking into Romo, and lets be clear that is exactly what happened, the Cowboys are an over-priced bunch of thugs and jokes, with a few quality players ,as is to be expected after years of crappy records. One cannot constantly draft high and not occassionally get a few good players. Jones has done nothing with this team. He was the beneficiary of Mike Lynn's idiocy, Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells acumen, and that is it. His decisions have been crap. He is Dan Snyder with a bad face lift. I imagine Charlie Waters, Roger, Bob lilly and countless others cringe at what the Cowboys have become.
As for Jones he is an idiot. Absent lucking into Romo, and lets be clear that is exactly what happened, the Cowboys are an over-priced bunch of thugs and jokes, with a few quality players ,as is to be expected after years of crappy records. One cannot constantly draft high and not occassionally get a few good players. Jones has done nothing with this team. He was the beneficiary of Mike Lynn's idiocy, Jimmy Johnson and Bill Parcells acumen, and that is it. His decisions have been crap. He is Dan Snyder with a bad face lift. I imagine Charlie Waters, Roger, Bob lilly and countless others cringe at what the Cowboys have become.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
A coward? The guy has been making truckloads of money since long before you were born. He's won 3 Super Bowls and runs the most successful franchise in all of sports.You aren't fit to hold his jock little man.
How much do you think cities like Detroit, St. Louis, KC, Cleveland, etc, etc, etc would like to have him running their teams?
T Bell
Footballguy
Cool! So you're saying he'll get the huge advantage of cash on hand that comes from merchandising sales for the Lions just by becoming their owner?
ourmanflint
Footballguy
You're real intelligent. Jones bought the Cowboys for, read closely now, $150 million. Got that? $150 M-I-L-L-I-O-N.What are they worth now? Hmmmmmmm? Got any idea?
Try $1.5 B-I-L-L-I-O-N!!!!
Wow you really research this stuff before you post don't you Sparky?
Phurfur
Footballguy
Actually there were a number of teams interested in Romo and Sean Peyton was the person who brought him to the Cowboy's attention.
Phurfur
Footballguy
I think you are out of your league here. Your posts show how little you know about the NFL and business in general. Isolating one stat does not make an argument. By the way, you would be surprised how many cowards make lots of money.You're real intelligent. Jones bought the Cowboys for, read closely now, $150 million. Got that? $150 M-I-L-L-I-O-N.What are they worth now? Hmmmmmmm? Got any idea?
Try $1.5 B-I-L-L-I-O-N!!!!
Wow you really research this stuff before you post don't you Sparky?
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
I'm aware. He was, though, undrafted. He was behind Quincy Carter, Drew Bledsoe, Vinny Testeverde, and Chad Henne. He was in danger of being cut any number of times. Absent Peyton's faith in him and Carter's timely, from Romo's viewpoint, drug problems he would have been.My point here is that Jones has been a clown in his tenure. He has occassionally been saved by having good football men around him, but he always seems to dump them for yes men. The good football men have brought Dallas some glory now more than a decade past, and some great building blocks, championship caliber building blocks, but they have done so in spite of Jones and their reward has been to be chased away.
Jones should stick to the business end of things. That is where his expertise lays. He has done very well marketing the Cowboys and in ramrodding through the new stadium. When he gets it into his head he is a coach or GM the Cowboys suffer. He seems to be in that mode now. That would worry me if I were a Cowboy fan. (I am not, I am a hater so my perspective can be dismissed as such.)
The Cowboys are at a crossroads. I am watching. I'm a huge Romo fan. I believe the kid is going to reward Cowboy fans. I believe he will do so in spite of Jones.
T Bell
Footballguy
So you're saying that if he'd bought the Lions for $150M in 1989, they'd be worth $1.5B today?You're real intelligent. Jones bought the Cowboys for, read closely now, $150 million. Got that? $150 M-I-L-L-I-O-N.What are they worth now? Hmmmmmmm? Got any idea?
Try $1.5 B-I-L-L-I-O-N!!!!
Wow you really research this stuff before you post don't you Sparky?
Were the Cowboys the most valuable team in the NFL when he bought them?What was the average % increase in value leaguewide over that time?
I'll give Jerry credit - he has done a good job merchandising. Of course he had a huge advantage with the team that he was working with - they were already calling themselves "America's Team" before Jerry got there. Moreover, the league has exploded in terms of revenue and fan interest over that time anyway because of the TV contracts, the internet, fantasy football, etc. He's ridden the wave, though he has as I said done better than most at making the most of what he had.
So yeah, "Sparky", there's a little more to it than your simple math. Keep trying though.
T Bell
Footballguy
But, but, but . . . Jerry allowed a vote to be taken when he wanted to draft Hardy in the 2nd round! He's really a great guy!
Manster
Footballguy
that statement is big steaming pile of ####! i know everyone wants to throw out the wussy card for the pinkie. but lets be realistic. breaking a finger on your throwing hand as a QB is a substantial injury. it's not about being tough, its about being able to make precision throws in a game. and come on, you're bringing up the mexico thing again? players do that kind of crap on their free time, all the time. i'm sure he wasnt spending the majority of his time preparing for the playoff game.
Phurfur
Footballguy
but it is not uncommon for a QB to play with a broken finger or thumb.that statement is big steaming pile of ####! i know everyone wants to throw out the wussy card for the pinkie. but lets be realistic. breaking a finger on your throwing hand as a QB is a substantial injury. it's not about being tough, its about being able to make precision throws in a game. and come on, you're bringing up the mexico thing again? players do that kind of crap on their free time, all the time. i'm sure he wasnt spending the majority of his time preparing for the playoff game.
brednbuddah
Footballguy
yup. for years everyone used to bad mouth Stienbrenner in the same vain, but you could never deny his passion for always wanting to put a championship product on the field. Seems to have worked for him. I don't have a problem with it.
Manster
Footballguy
ok, can you name any? i cant think of any off the top of my head. broken thumb? on their throwing hand?seems to me the thumb and pinkie would be the most important for throwing a football.but it is not uncommon for a QB to play with a broken finger or thumb.that statement is big steaming pile of ####! i know everyone wants to throw out the wussy card for the pinkie. but lets be realistic. breaking a finger on your throwing hand as a QB is a substantial injury. it's not about being tough, its about being able to make precision throws in a game. and come on, you're bringing up the mexico thing again? players do that kind of crap on their free time, all the time. i'm sure he wasnt spending the majority of his time preparing for the playoff game.
T Bell
Footballguy
The thumb I can see - and Favre played twice IIRC with one that was injured from hitting a helmet while throwing - but the pinky is "the most important for throwing a football"? Now you're being ridiculous.ok, can you name any? i cant think of any off the top of my head. broken thumb? on their throwing hand?seems to me the thumb and pinkie would be the most important for throwing a football.but it is not uncommon for a QB to play with a broken finger or thumb.that statement is big steaming pile of ####! i know everyone wants to throw out the wussy card for the pinkie. but lets be realistic. breaking a finger on your throwing hand as a QB is a substantial injury. it's not about being tough, its about being able to make precision throws in a game. and come on, you're bringing up the mexico thing again? players do that kind of crap on their free time, all the time. i'm sure he wasnt spending the majority of his time preparing for the playoff game.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Favre did it. Bledsoe played 4 games with a broken right index finger in 1998. Johnny Unitas played through multiple broken bones (one of the reasons why he no longer has complete function of his hands). Kurt Warner attempted to play through a broken pinky AND a hairline fracture in his hand, but that didn't work out so well.
Mustang Man
Footballguy
T Bell
Footballguy
Damn, that changes everything. If playing Sunday is gonna kill Romo, than I say he should sit!Unitas has more then just problems with his hands.He is dead bud.
ourmanflint
Footballguy
Whatever man. I know he didn't turn 140 mil into 1.5 billion. I'm not an idiot.I'm certain he could have done the same thing with Detroit or any other team.So you're saying that if he'd bought the Lions for $150M in 1989, they'd be worth $1.5B today?You're real intelligent. Jones bought the Cowboys for, read closely now, $150 million. Got that? $150 M-I-L-L-I-O-N.What are they worth now? Hmmmmmmm? Got any idea?
Try $1.5 B-I-L-L-I-O-N!!!!
Wow you really research this stuff before you post don't you Sparky?
Were the Cowboys the most valuable team in the NFL when he bought them?
What was the average % increase in value leaguewide over that time?
I'll give Jerry credit - he has done a good job merchandising. Of course he had a huge advantage with the team that he was working with - they were already calling themselves "America's Team" before Jerry got there. Moreover, the league has exploded in terms of revenue and fan interest over that time anyway because of the TV contracts, the internet, fantasy football, etc. He's ridden the wave, though he has as I said done better than most at making the most of what he had.
So yeah, "Sparky", there's a little more to it than your simple math. Keep trying though.
I do know that the Cowboys were NOT profitable when he took over. Their stadium attendance was at 24%. They WERE "Americas Team" WHEN they were winning. The business side was ugly when he took over and the merchandise sales was way way way down. That was a huge reason why Bum Bright sold out. But why am I telling you this? This is obviously out of my league.
First he layed off 2/3 of his administrative staff and aggressively marketed his empty box suites. He drafted great players (17 who went to a combined 63 Pro Bowls). He won 3 Super Bowls. He pioneered stadium logos and sponsorships. He renegotiated his local TV contracts. He augmented his stadium to add more seating and more luxury boxes. He sold stadium billboards and local corporate sponsorships and increased his advertising sales more than 20 fold in his first 5 years. He used all of this new revenue to pay for better players and better facilities.
You say the league exploded since he took over. Hell he is personally responsible for a lot of the business success the NFL has seen in the last booming decade and a half. Jerry made the league see that while their television contracts were respectable in the millions of dollars, they could demand and get multi-billion dollar contracts. How many friggin NFL committee's does the guy sit on?
Now well over 1/4 of all NFL merchandise sales is Cowboys. When he took over it was 2%. They are now the most successful sports franchise. Not because of Clint Murchison or Bum Bright but because of Jerry Jones.
All this from a coward.
Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Is this team rallying around a gutsy injured leader who just played his heart out, or are they adrift in a sea of apologists who are enabling their denial? Leaders sacrifice, they suffer, they defer gratification, they put themselves on the line and hold themselves to a higher standard and they hope then that others rise to that new standard.Romo and the Cowboys did the safe, sensible thing here. Then they all stood around leaderless and soiled their pants right there on T.V.that statement is big steaming pile of ####! i know everyone wants to throw out the wussy card for the pinkie. but lets be realistic. breaking a finger on your throwing hand as a QB is a substantial injury. it's not about being tough, its about being able to make precision throws in a game. and come on, you're bringing up the mexico thing again? players do that kind of crap on their free time, all the time. i'm sure he wasnt spending the majority of his time preparing for the playoff game.
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Ditkaless Wonders
Footballguy
Nothing?
Steady Mooobin
Footballguy
Granted I'm probably not to far behind you, but I think the NFL has passed you by old timer.
Breesisdaman
Footballguy
I wonder if Romo's finger improves this week. I just don't see Brad doing well against his former team (Tampa Bay) they have a very good pass defense. Could easily be 3 defensive TD's in that game if they go with Johnson.
Statcruncher
Footballguy
That sounds really cool but I'm not sure I buy into it. IMO playing through pain is one thing, playing it smart is another.
Having your pro bowl QB sit with a fractured pinky for 4 weeks isn't great. Losing your pro bowl QB for the season because you gambled he wouldn't reaggravate an injury to his throwing hand is just plain stupid. We all know that if Dallas has any hopes for the Super Bowl they have to have Romo under center. They have a good chance of making the playoffs even if they lose the next 2 games while Romo sits. They have a 0% chance of making the playoffs if they permanently lose Romo.When I saw that the Cowboys deactivated Brooks Bollinger and kept Romo as the only backup QB on the roster my jaw hit the floor. By all means trot out a 40 year old slow moving QB who hasn't started in 2 years to play behind the porous offensive line that got Romo pounded. But only a fool would leave himself no other option that to put Romo back in the game if Johnson gets hurt. Bollinger should have be active and Romo should have been in street clothes.
T Bell
Footballguy
That screams of indecisiveness, doesn't it?
Statcruncher
Footballguy
That as well as desperation and madness.
