Josh Gordon facing 1 year suspension? (1 Viewer)

[rjv]

The difference between Gordon and Blackmon is pretty effing evident, imo.

He's been ARRESTED TWICE committing acts that could not only kill him, but innocent civilians (DUI)

Gordon smokes weed.

That gives Gordon the moral high ground. So what? I agree. Weed shouldn't be a banned substance. And eventually, it won't be. But right now, Gordon can't smoke weed. He has a history with it, knows he is under a microscope, and has already let his teammates down with a suspension last year. Few months later, with a big contract looming, he fails another test? Man.

It says a ton about his decision making. Weed is more important to him than his financial security, and more important than his teammates.

Of course, this is assuming he has failed a test. All the info isn't out there, yet.

Reminds me of someone who chose weed over his nfl career. C'mon down Ricky Williams.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Dan Graziano reports the NFL is expected to revamp its marijuana policy in the league's new drug agreement, instituting a higher threshold for positive tests and lessening the penalties.

It's unclear how much the penalties will be lessened, but at the very least, it means players will no longer be subject to a four-game ban for a first-time offense. Per Graziano, only haggling over the arbitration process is delaying the new drug agreement. The move comes too late for Josh Gordon, but it appears marijuana will no longer be treated as a more serious offense than issues like drunk driving and assault.

Source: ESPN.com

No way he's gone for the year.

They have too follow the rules in place at the time of the infraction. He already got a break on suspension time last year. Do you really think he deserves another. To save face they need to throw the book at him. Otherwise Goodell is going to look toothless.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

so are we buying Charles Johnson now?

I'm as high on Johnson as anyone I know, but I wouldn't buy him. He's a 25 year old seventh round pick coming off an ACL without a single snap of NFL experience.

Basically he's a nice WW pickup or someone you're happy to have already rostered.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

How long until this moron is back home

Living with mommy or in jail? O/u 2.5 years

If he is suspended a year and has plenty of free time.........sooner than you think.

 

[Shutout]

Apparently he is on the Charles Rogers fast track program, sans broken collar bones.

What a shame if this is the beginning of the end. Like Rogers, it was salivating potential squashed and it's almost unimaginable how that happens. How you can do the work for so many years to prepare and then die on the doorstep.

 

[matttyl]

Heard on ESPN radio at lunch that the lower limit for a positive test for the NFL is 15 "units per sample" (it was something phrased way more eloquently than that). The lower limit for air traffic controllers is 75 "units per sample", and the lower limit for Olympic athletes is 150 "units per sample" (10x as high - pardon the pun).

 

[donkshow]

Heard on ESPN radio at lunch that the lower limit for a positive test for the NFL is 15 "units per sample" (it was something phrased way more eloquently than that). The lower limit for air traffic controllers is 75 "units per sample", and the lower limit for Olympic athletes is 150 "units per sample" (10x as high - pardon the pun).

Jesus, you can smell it and fail a test in the NFL.

 

[Soulfly3]

Heard on ESPN radio at lunch that the lower limit for a positive test for the NFL is 15 "units per sample" (it was something phrased way more eloquently than that). The lower limit for air traffic controllers is 75 "units per sample", and the lower limit for Olympic athletes is 150 "units per sample" (10x as high - pardon the pun).

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Heard on ESPN radio at lunch that the lower limit for a positive test for the NFL is 15 "units per sample" (it was something phrased way more eloquently than that). The lower limit for air traffic controllers is 75 "units per sample", and the lower limit for Olympic athletes is 150 "units per sample" (10x as high - pardon the pun).

Just such a stupid policy. Hey, go nuts with the HGH and wife beating, but don't you dare smoke a doober!

 

[Soulfly3]

Forget the "rules are rules" bull#### for a second...

The NFL is potentially going to allow Ray Rice and Greg Hardy back to playing this season before Josh Gordon.

A man who beat the living #### out of his gf on camera... dragged her like a caveman - and another who slapped his silly, and threatened to kill her as she was surrounded by his guns.

before a guy who likes to smoke a joint in his off-time.

Yep, the NFL is legit.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Heard on ESPN radio at lunch that the lower limit for a positive test for the NFL is 15 "units per sample" (it was something phrased way more eloquently than that). The lower limit for air traffic controllers is 75 "units per sample", and the lower limit for Olympic athletes is 150 "units per sample" (10x as high - pardon the pun).

Just such a stupid policy. Hey, go nuts with the HGH and wife beating, but don't you dare smoke a doober!

I don't know but Stedman Bailey just got 4 games for performance enhancing drugs. If I was a team owner I would much rather see my guys being suspended for performance enhancing drugs, at least they are trying to improve themselves. All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Forget the "rules are rules" bull#### for a second...

The NFL is potentially going to allow Ray Rice and Greg Hardy back to playing this season before Josh Gordon.

A man who beat the living #### out of his gf on camera... dragged her like a caveman - and another who slapped his silly, and threatened to kill her as she was surrounded by his guns.

before a guy who likes to smoke a joint in his off-time.

Yep, the NFL is legit.

I can't beleive no one has borught this up before.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Forget the "rules are rules" bull#### for a second...

The NFL is potentially going to allow Ray Rice and Greg Hardy back to playing this season before Josh Gordon.

A man who beat the living #### out of his gf on camera... dragged her like a caveman - and another who slapped his silly, and threatened to kill her as she was surrounded by his guns.

before a guy who likes to smoke a joint in his off-time.

Yep, the NFL is legit.

Eh, rich old white guys acting like it's still 1950... color me shocked.

 

[Soulfly3]

Forget the "rules are rules" bull#### for a second...

The NFL is potentially going to allow Ray Rice and Greg Hardy back to playing this season before Josh Gordon.

A man who beat the living #### out of his gf on camera... dragged her like a caveman - and another who slapped his silly, and threatened to kill her as she was surrounded by his guns.

before a guy who likes to smoke a joint in his off-time.

Yep, the NFL is legit.

I can't beleive no one has borught this up before.

should be repeated on every page

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Heard on ESPN radio at lunch that the lower limit for a positive test for the NFL is 15 "units per sample" (it was something phrased way more eloquently than that). The lower limit for air traffic controllers is 75 "units per sample", and the lower limit for Olympic athletes is 150 "units per sample" (10x as high - pardon the pun).

Just such a stupid policy. Hey, go nuts with the HGH and wife beating, but don't you dare smoke a doober!

I don't know but Stedman Bailey just got 4 games for performance enhancing drugs. If I was a team owner I would much rather see my guys being suspended for performance enhancing drugs, at least they are trying to improve themselves. All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I think you all forget the players union agrees to all of these rules. Also the NFL, and owners have to follow the rules in regards to punishment or they would be in violation of the agreement. Maybe the players/union is the reason the NFL is soft on domestic abuse. Maybe they wouldn't agree to a tougher stance.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Heard on ESPN radio at lunch that the lower limit for a positive test for the NFL is 15 "units per sample" (it was something phrased way more eloquently than that). The lower limit for air traffic controllers is 75 "units per sample", and the lower limit for Olympic athletes is 150 "units per sample" (10x as high - pardon the pun).

Just such a stupid policy. Hey, go nuts with the HGH and wife beating, but don't you dare smoke a doober!

I don't know but Stedman Bailey just got 4 games for performance enhancing drugs. If I was a team owner I would much rather see my guys being suspended for performance enhancing drugs, at least they are trying to improve themselves. All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

 

[Soulfly3]

Listen,

There's zero chance in hell the league would have cut Gordon's last suspension by 50% (to 2 from 4) if it was a suspension that brought him into Stage 3.

That makes absolutely NO sense - especially when pinned up against a guy like Stedman Bailey who just got FOUR games for his first offense.

Good luck tying to convince me a guy apparently on his final straw gets 50% less time than a guy on his first offense.

 

[Touchdown There]

All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

Rolling on the floor because people have mental health issues?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Listen,

There's zero chance in hell the league would have cut Gordon's last suspension by 50% (to 2 from 4) if it was a suspension that brought him into Stage 3.

That makes absolutely NO sense - especially when pinned up against a guy like Stedman Bailey who just got FOUR games for his first offense.

Good luck tying to convince me a guy apparently on his final straw gets 50% less time than a guy on his first offense.

The only thing I can think of.....Is that was Gordons 1st offense in the NFL and he had a legitimate prescription.

 

[Shutout]

Listen,

There's zero chance in hell the league would have cut Gordon's last suspension by 50% (to 2 from 4) if it was a suspension that brought him into Stage 3.

That makes absolutely NO sense - especially when pinned up against a guy like Stedman Bailey who just got FOUR games for his first offense.

Good luck tying to convince me a guy apparently on his final straw gets 50% less time than a guy on his first offense.

I'm not sure but I think these are two different policies. One is substance abuses and one is Performance enhancing drugs and they have different protocol.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

Rolling on the floor because people have mental health issues?

No rolling on the floor because it was stated most stoners have mental issues.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Heard on ESPN radio at lunch that the lower limit for a positive test for the NFL is 15 "units per sample" (it was something phrased way more eloquently than that). The lower limit for air traffic controllers is 75 "units per sample", and the lower limit for Olympic athletes is 150 "units per sample" (10x as high - pardon the pun).

Just such a stupid policy. Hey, go nuts with the HGH and wife beating, but don't you dare smoke a doober!

I don't know but Stedman Bailey just got 4 games for performance enhancing drugs. If I was a team owner I would much rather see my guys being suspended for performance enhancing drugs, at least they are trying to improve themselves. All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

Laugh all you want -- but given what's at stake for Gordon here, this definitely is more than just being a dumb stoner. When someone continues to use in the face of huge consequences for doing so, it's usually a sign of deeper issues.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

Rolling on the floor because people have mental health issues?

No rolling on the floor because it was stated most stoners have mental issues.

Most stoners, no. Most people who continue to use when it puts their livelihood / family / other major life stuff hugely at risk, yes. Of course tons of people just like getting high, and do so at no detriment to their personal / professional lives. Hell, that was me in my 20s before I had kids. It's the continued use in the face of major consequences that indicates a likely underlying problem.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Forget the "rules are rules" bull#### for a second...

The NFL is potentially going to allow Ray Rice and Greg Hardy back to playing this season before Josh Gordon.

A man who beat the living #### out of his gf on camera... dragged her like a caveman - and another who slapped his silly, and threatened to kill her as she was surrounded by his guns.

before a guy who likes to smoke a joint in his off-time.

Yep, the NFL is legit.

I can't beleive no one has borught this up before.

should be repeated on every page

Do you really think Rice and/or Hardy are not going to receive suspencions (and perhaps far worse) when they are found guilty?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Forget the "rules are rules" bull#### for a second...

The NFL is potentially going to allow Ray Rice and Greg Hardy back to playing this season before Josh Gordon.

A man who beat the living #### out of his gf on camera... dragged her like a caveman - and another who slapped his silly, and threatened to kill her as she was surrounded by his guns.

before a guy who likes to smoke a joint in his off-time.

Yep, the NFL is legit.

I can't beleive no one has borught this up before.

should be repeated on every page

Do you really think Rice and/or Hardy are not going to receive suspencions (and perhaps far worse) when they are found guilty?

I'd bet almost anything that they plead out, get zero jail time, and get lesser suspensions than does Josh Gordon.

 

[Soulfly3]

Do you really think Rice and/or Hardy are not going to receive suspencions (and perhaps far worse) when they are found guilty?

wrist slappers.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Listen,

There's zero chance in hell the league would have cut Gordon's last suspension by 50% (to 2 from 4) if it was a suspension that brought him into Stage 3.

That makes absolutely NO sense - especially when pinned up against a guy like Stedman Bailey who just got FOUR games for his first offense.

Good luck tying to convince me a guy apparently on his final straw gets 50% less time than a guy on his first offense.

Listen,

You obviously have no clue and just grasping at anything to tell yourself Gordon will not be suspended for a lengthy amount of time.

Substance abuse (Gordon) and performance-enhancing drugs (Bailey) are entirely different policies.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

Rolling on the floor because people have mental health issues?

No rolling on the floor because it was stated most stoners have mental issues.

Most stoners, no. Most people who continue to use when it puts their livelihood / family / other major life stuff hugely at risk, yes. Of course tons of people just like getting high, and do so at no detriment to their personal / professional lives. Hell, that was me in my 20s before I had kids. It's the continued use in the face of major consequences that indicates a likely underlying problem.

So as stated previously he is an addict. and as an addict he should be allowed to continue his career in professional football without any consequences.. I don't know many employers who want unreliable addicts working for them.

 

[Soulfly3]

Listen,

You obviously have no clue and just grasping at anything to tell yourself Gordon will not be suspended for a lengthy amount of time.

Substance abuse (Gordon) and performance-enhancing drugs (Bailey) are entirely different policies.

has NOTHING to do with the policy. has everything to do with the ACTION.

Gordon's last suspension, BY POLICY was a 4-6 game suspension. Why did he receive only two?

Why would a guy's FINAL get out of jail card be cut by 50%? Give me ONE logical reason, and Ill say you're right.

Now, if it's his first of two get out jail cards, then ya... 50% reduction makes sense... his second before a year ender? Nope.

 

[Phenix]

Someone is upset they are going to lose a major fantasy player.

Facts: Weed is safer then most things we legally put into our body and effect us less. Gordon knows the rules and still smoked. Gordon should be suspended for breaking a league rule. The rule does need to be changed.

The punishment for smoking weed should be to bring enough for everyone not getting suspended from your job that you obviously do better high then most dudes who are not. Weed being illegal in the first place shows the ignorance of our nation.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

Rolling on the floor because people have mental health issues?

No rolling on the floor because it was stated most stoners have mental issues.

Most stoners, no. Most people who continue to use when it puts their livelihood / family / other major life stuff hugely at risk, yes. Of course tons of people just like getting high, and do so at no detriment to their personal / professional lives. Hell, that was me in my 20s before I had kids. It's the continued use in the face of major consequences that indicates a likely underlying problem.

So as stated previously he is an addict. and as an addict he should be allowed to continue his career in professional football without any consequences.. I don't know many employers who want unreliable addicts working for them.

Yeah, you just don't get it. Addiction isn't a behavior that can be corrected with punishment. And his weed problem certainly didn't seem to hurt him last year on the field, did it?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Listen,

You obviously have no clue and just grasping at anything to tell yourself Gordon will not be suspended for a lengthy amount of time.

Substance abuse (Gordon) and performance-enhancing drugs (Bailey) are entirely different policies.

has NOTHING to do with the policy. has everything to do with the ACTION.

Gordon's last suspension, BY POLICY was a 4-6 game suspension. Why did he receive only two?

Why would a guy's FINAL get out of jail card be cut by 50%? Give me ONE logical reason, and Ill say you're right.

Now, if it's his first of two get out jail cards, then ya... 50% reduction makes sense... his second before a year ender? Nope.

I'm going to jump in if you don't mind...Again if he had a legitimate prescription from a doctor , I can see Goodell cutting him a break on his suspension. But if that was the case I can see that also working against him this time. Goodell cuts the kid a break and then he turns around and s**ts on Goodells shoes. I think he goes tough on him this time.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

Rolling on the floor because people have mental health issues?

No rolling on the floor because it was stated most stoners have mental issues.

Most stoners, no. Most people who continue to use when it puts their livelihood / family / other major life stuff hugely at risk, yes. Of course tons of people just like getting high, and do so at no detriment to their personal / professional lives. Hell, that was me in my 20s before I had kids. It's the continued use in the face of major consequences that indicates a likely underlying problem.

So as stated previously he is an addict. and as an addict he should be allowed to continue his career in professional football without any consequences.. I don't know many employers who want unreliable addicts working for them.

Yeah, you just don't get it. Addiction isn't a behavior that can be corrected with punishment. And his weed problem certainly didn't seem to hurt him last year on the field, did it?

No you just don't get it. Do you think the NFL wants a bunch of addicts endorsing their product. I'm sure if he snorted a line prior to a game he would do really well on the field. why don't we start advocating that..... He kids smoke weed like Josh Gordon as you can see it elevates your play on the field.....

 

[fridayfrenzy]

Listen,

You obviously have no clue and just grasping at anything to tell yourself Gordon will not be suspended for a lengthy amount of time.

Substance abuse (Gordon) and performance-enhancing drugs (Bailey) are entirely different policies.

has NOTHING to do with the policy. has everything to do with the ACTION.

Gordon's last suspension, BY POLICY was a 4-6 game suspension. Why did he receive only two?

Why would a guy's FINAL get out of jail card be cut by 50%? Give me ONE logical reason, and Ill say you're right.

Now, if it's his first of two get out jail cards, then ya... 50% reduction makes sense... his second before a year ender? Nope.

You were comparing two actions which are not related. You may as well compare a hockey player suspension to Josh Gordon's to help you sleep at night.

 

[Soulfly3]

I'm going to jump in if you don't mind...Again if he had a legitimate prescription from a doctor , I can see Goodell cutting him a break on his suspension. But if that was the case I can see that also working against him this time. Goodell cuts the kid a break and then he turns around and s**ts on Goodells shoes. I think he goes tough on him this time.

Is Goodell allowed to cut breaks on suspensions?

I mean, he obviously got it reduced. but why?

If a substance is BANNED, it's banned. He took it, so why cut it in half? Why not 4 games or zero? Why did the league HALF ### his suspension last time?

These are things we can speculate, but will never know. Which is also why we can reasonably speculate that nothing is cut and dry this time around

 

[Soulfly3]

You were comparing two actions which are not related. You may as well compare a hockey player suspension to Josh Gordon's to help you sleep at night.

So you have no explanation?

Can you find me in the drug policy and performance enhancing policy where it states ONE policy can have reduced suspensions, but the other cant?

thanks.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

Rolling on the floor because people have mental health issues?

No rolling on the floor because it was stated most stoners have mental issues.

Most stoners, no. Most people who continue to use when it puts their livelihood / family / other major life stuff hugely at risk, yes. Of course tons of people just like getting high, and do so at no detriment to their personal / professional lives. Hell, that was me in my 20s before I had kids. It's the continued use in the face of major consequences that indicates a likely underlying problem.

So as stated previously he is an addict. and as an addict he should be allowed to continue his career in professional football without any consequences.. I don't know many employers who want unreliable addicts working for them.

Yeah, you just don't get it. Addiction isn't a behavior that can be corrected with punishment. And his weed problem certainly didn't seem to hurt him last year on the field, did it?

No you just don't get it. Do you think the NFL wants a bunch of addicts endorsing their product. I'm sure if he snorted a line prior to a game he would do really well on the field. why don't we start advocating that.

Why would they even care what he does in the offseason in the privacy of his home? Yeah, if he gets arrested it tarnishes the shield and there should be consequences for that. But in this case, the only reason we even know about this at all is due to the NFL's own tests and policy.

From your tone, I'm guessing you're still stuck in the outdated "moral judgement" model of drug addiction / treatment. The science of addiction treatment has come pretty far since the 60s, guy. You should read up on it.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

You were comparing two actions which are not related. You may as well compare a hockey player suspension to Josh Gordon's to help you sleep at night.

So you have no explanation?

Can you find me in the drug policy and performance enhancing policy where it states ONE policy can have reduced suspensions, but the other cant?

thanks.

I don't care about the questions you asked. You are trying to back pedal after comparing two incidences which aren't related as evidence that Gordon shouldn't be suspended a long time.

 

[matttyl]

Heard on ESPN radio at lunch that the lower limit for a positive test for the NFL is 15 "units per sample" (it was something phrased way more eloquently than that). The lower limit for air traffic controllers is 75 "units per sample", and the lower limit for Olympic athletes is 150 "units per sample" (10x as high - pardon the pun).

Just such a stupid policy. Hey, go nuts with the HGH and wife beating, but don't you dare smoke a doober!

I don't know but Stedman Bailey just got 4 games for performance enhancing drugs. If I was a team owner I would much rather see my guys being suspended for performance enhancing drugs, at least they are trying to improve themselves. All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

or potentially relieve the pain received from actually playing the game.

 

[Soulfly3]

You were comparing two actions which are not related. You may as well compare a hockey player suspension to Josh Gordon's to help you sleep at night.

So you have no explanation?

Can you find me in the drug policy and performance enhancing policy where it states ONE policy can have reduced suspensions, but the other cant?

thanks.

I don't care about the questions you asked. You are trying to back pedal after comparing two incidences which aren't related as evidence that Gordon shouldn't be suspended a long time.

Because you can't. Fair enough.

Just be a man about it, though.

 

[ebsteelers]

so are we buying Charles Johnson now?

I'm as high on Johnson as anyone I know, but I wouldn't buy him. He's a 25 year old seventh round pick coming off an ACL without a single snap of NFL experience.

Basically he's a nice WW pickup or someone you're happy to have already rostered.

yeah i already have him in 2 leagues so I am excited to see that they didnt take any wr.. they gotta think they have something.

I will be taking him extremely late in redraft leagues though.. worth a flyer in round 16 or later. imo

 

[massraider]

Listen,

You obviously have no clue and just grasping at anything to tell yourself Gordon will not be suspended for a lengthy amount of time.

Substance abuse (Gordon) and performance-enhancing drugs (Bailey) are entirely different policies.

has NOTHING to do with the policy. has everything to do with the ACTION.

Gordon's last suspension, BY POLICY was a 4-6 game suspension. Why did he receive only two?

Why would a guy's FINAL get out of jail card be cut by 50%? Give me ONE logical reason, and Ill say you're right.

Now, if it's his first of two get out jail cards, then ya... 50% reduction makes sense... his second before a year ender? Nope.

I have a guess: previous history was for weed, he got busted for codeine, which he claimed was in a cough medicine. NFL buys his story, seems like an honest mistake,maayybe, so they give him a little break on the suspension.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

Rolling on the floor because people have mental health issues?

No rolling on the floor because it was stated most stoners have mental issues.

Most stoners, no. Most people who continue to use when it puts their livelihood / family / other major life stuff hugely at risk, yes. Of course tons of people just like getting high, and do so at no detriment to their personal / professional lives. Hell, that was me in my 20s before I had kids. It's the continued use in the face of major consequences that indicates a likely underlying problem.

So as stated previously he is an addict. and as an addict he should be allowed to continue his career in professional football without any consequences.. I don't know many employers who want unreliable addicts working for them.

Yeah, you just don't get it. Addiction isn't a behavior that can be corrected with punishment. And his weed problem certainly didn't seem to hurt him last year on the field, did it?

No you just don't get it. Do you think the NFL wants a bunch of addicts endorsing their product. I'm sure if he snorted a line prior to a game he would do really well on the field. why don't we start advocating that.

Why would they even care what he does in the offseason in the privacy of his home? Yeah, if he gets arrested it tarnishes the shield and there should be consequences for that. But in this case, the only reason we even know about this at all is due to the NFL's own tests and policy.

From your tone, I'm guessing you're still stuck in the outdated "moral judgement" model of drug addiction / treatment. The science of addiction treatment has come pretty far since the 60s, guy. You should read up on it.

Because like any other employer who pays money to their employee....the NFL has a policy and procedure manual that tells the player what they can and cannot do as part of their employment. Even though it is the offseason they are still employed by the NFL. You all are trying to justify his use of illegal drugs...why I don't know..... Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. It's that simple.

 

[Soulfly3]

I have a guess: previous history was for weed, he got busted for codeine, which he claimed was in a cough medicine. NFL buys his story, seems like an honest mistake,maayybe, so they give him a little break on the suspension.

Ok, so maybe you will listen to me since your head is clear at the moment.

That was Gordon's FIRST AND ONLY suspension in the NFL so far.

Are we to believe that the league decided that Gordon would start his NFL career on the second strike of Stage 2 of the drug policy?

That's literally the ONLY way he can be considered for a year long suspension right now.

Now, what Im saying, is I don't believe he was. I can believe he was placed in Stage 2, but not on the final strike of Stage 2. Makes little sense to me.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

At the end of the day regardless of how long his suspension is, how comfortable can the ownership be. Knowing this kids past, how much will they want to invest in his future. I'd trade him to some sucker ASAP. Unless of course weed becomes legal nationwide by next year. Or maybe he attends the Randy Moss School of Detection Avoidance.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

All smoking weed does is zap your motivation. and makes you lazy.

Weed can help with pain management, anxiety, depression, and a bunch of other stuff. Generally, chronic users are self-medicating for mental health issues. And Josh Gordon could smoke a bail of chronic every day all season long and still be 10x the player that Stedman Bailey ever will be. Steroids / HGH / etc. are way more damaging to the integrity of any sport than pot is.

Rolling on the floor because people have mental health issues?

No rolling on the floor because it was stated most stoners have mental issues.

Most stoners, no. Most people who continue to use when it puts their livelihood / family / other major life stuff hugely at risk, yes. Of course tons of people just like getting high, and do so at no detriment to their personal / professional lives. Hell, that was me in my 20s before I had kids. It's the continued use in the face of major consequences that indicates a likely underlying problem.

So as stated previously he is an addict. and as an addict he should be allowed to continue his career in professional football without any consequences.. I don't know many employers who want unreliable addicts working for them.

Yeah, you just don't get it. Addiction isn't a behavior that can be corrected with punishment. And his weed problem certainly didn't seem to hurt him last year on the field, did it?

No you just don't get it. Do you think the NFL wants a bunch of addicts endorsing their product. I'm sure if he snorted a line prior to a game he would do really well on the field. why don't we start advocating that.

Why would they even care what he does in the offseason in the privacy of his home? Yeah, if he gets arrested it tarnishes the shield and there should be consequences for that. But in this case, the only reason we even know about this at all is due to the NFL's own tests and policy.

From your tone, I'm guessing you're still stuck in the outdated "moral judgement" model of drug addiction / treatment. The science of addiction treatment has come pretty far since the 60s, guy. You should read up on it.

Because like any other employer who pays money to their employee....the NFL has a policy and procedure manual that tells the player what they can and cannot do as part of their employment. Even though it is the offseason they are still employed by the NFL. You all are trying to justify his use of illegal drugs...why I don't know..... Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. It's that simple.

I don't even disagree with this, given the current policy. My argument is that it's a stupid policy, and detrimental to the league as a whole, as well as to the player individually. A star player like Gordon can get a year off for smoking a joint in the privacy of his own home which affects no one but Gordon himself, while there is a huge parade of wife beaters / guys getting DUIs / gun arrests / bar fights etc that get nothing or four games at the most.

Gordon has never been arrested, yet he's going to get more time off than genuine criminal PsOS like Pacman Jones, Kenny Britt, and Ben Roethlisberger. And that's a joke and tarnishes the shield way worse than any failed drug test for weed ever could.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

I have a guess: previous history was for weed, he got busted for codeine, which he claimed was in a cough medicine. NFL buys his story, seems like an honest mistake,maayybe, so they give him a little break on the suspension.

Ok, so maybe you will listen to me since your head is clear at the moment.

That was Gordon's FIRST AND ONLY suspension in the NFL so far.

Are we to believe that the league decided that Gordon would start his NFL career on the second strike of Stage 2 of the drug policy?

That's literally the ONLY way he can be considered for a year long suspension right now.

Now, what Im saying, is I don't believe he was. I can believe he was placed in Stage 2, but not on the final strike of Stage 2. Makes little sense to me.

If you'd read more, you'd wonder less.

The first offense in Stage Two is a fine -- not a suspension -- unless the player is such a dip#### that he doesn't even make it out of Stage One before he gets dinged again.

Provided he makes it out of Stage One before getting popped a second time, any suspension would occur only due to a second offense in Stage Two (three total).

So, take your pick. He's got a big problem either way.

 

[massraider]

I have a guess: previous history was for weed, he got busted for codeine, which he claimed was in a cough medicine. NFL buys his story, seems like an honest mistake,maayybe, so they give him a little break on the suspension.

Ok, so maybe you will listen to me since your head is clear at the moment.

That was Gordon's FIRST AND ONLY suspension in the NFL so far.

Are we to believe that the league decided that Gordon would start his NFL career on the second strike of Stage 2 of the drug policy?

That's literally the ONLY way he can be considered for a year long suspension right now.

Now, what Im saying, is I don't believe he was. I can believe he was placed in Stage 2, but not on the final strike of Stage 2. Makes little sense to me.

If you'd read more, you'd wonder less.The first offense in Stage Two is a fine -- not a suspension -- unless the player is such a dip#### that he doesn't even make it out of Stage One before he gets dinged again.

Provided he makes it out of Stage One before getting popped a second time, any suspension would occur only due to a second offense in Stage Two (three total).

So, take your pick. He's got a big problem either way.

Interesting. Do we have any links for this?

I don't know enough about it. I used to, but I forgot it all.

Probably because of all the glaucoma meds I take.

 

[Soulfly3]

I have a guess: previous history was for weed, he got busted for codeine, which he claimed was in a cough medicine. NFL buys his story, seems like an honest mistake,maayybe, so they give him a little break on the suspension.

Ok, so maybe you will listen to me since your head is clear at the moment.

That was Gordon's FIRST AND ONLY suspension in the NFL so far.

Are we to believe that the league decided that Gordon would start his NFL career on the second strike of Stage 2 of the drug policy?

That's literally the ONLY way he can be considered for a year long suspension right now.

Now, what Im saying, is I don't believe he was. I can believe he was placed in Stage 2, but not on the final strike of Stage 2. Makes little sense to me.

If you'd read more, you'd wonder less.

The first offense in Stage Two is a fine -- not a suspension -- unless the player is such a dip#### that he doesn't even make it out of Stage One before he gets dinged again.

Provided he makes it out of Stage One before getting popped a second time, any suspension would occur only due to a second offense in Stage Two (three total).

So, take your pick. He's got a big problem either way.

yes and no.

Discipline for First Failure to Comply in Stage Two: A
player in Stage Two who fails to comply with his
Treatment Plan or fails to cooperate with testing, treatment,
evaluation or other requirements imposed on him by this
Policy, both as determined by the Medical Director, or has
a Positive Test will be subject to:
(a) A fine of four-seventeenths (4/17) of the amount in
Paragraph 5 of the NFL Player Contract if the
player has successfully completed Stage One; and
(b) A suspension for the period of time to cover four
consecutive regular season and post-season
(including Pro Bowl, if selected) games without pay
if he did not successfully complete Stage One.

-------------------------

AND.

Gordon obviously didnt successfully complete Stage 1, as he was placed immediately by the NFL into stage 2.
So he was fined AND suspended for his first NFL offense.