Josh Gordon facing 1 year suspension? (1 Viewer)

[SayWhat?]

But Ray Rice probably won't miss a game for his ####. What a joke.

This. ITT we have all this dumb argument over addiction and whether or not he's "dumb"... he smoked weed, at least twice. Ok. WOW.

Ray Rice UPPERCUT his wife, knocked her unconscious, and drug her body around the hotel. It's on video. And yet he remains unsuspended.

Donald sterling said something racist and got banned for life. Gordon smoked weed and got banned for a year. Ray Rice beat a woman and "we'll let the legal process play out."

I've gotta say that's a million times worse than smoking an herb that the majority of americans now consider socially acceptable, worthy of legalization and regulation and less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes. This NFL looks a lot like the DEA (classifying marijuana as more harmful than cocaine, for example).

Tell me which one of these players is more deserving of a season long suspension?

Great points

I agree there's some foolishness in how certain transgressions are/aren't punished by the NFL. But the disconnect is that this ISN'T Gordon's first offense with weed...nor his second...what offense is it even? Didn't he have to get dinged three times before he was even suspended? He's had plenty of warnings. He made his bed, now he gets to sleep in it. I say good riddance to guys like this, whom risk millions because they can't follow their employers rules, no matter how silly, for 5-10 years of their early adult life.

 

[karmarooster]

How many times would Gordon need to get high for it to equal the offense of Rice?

He could literally smoke a million joints and it would not be as "bad" as what Rice did. I agree that Gordon seems rather foolish for continuing to smoke when he knew he would be frequently tested and that a positive test would result in a lengthy suspension. If I was his advisor I would just tell him he can smoke all he wants when he's 30 and no longer has an NFL career, and its foolish to risk millions to get high.

My point was that the NFL shouldn't really care who smokes or drinks. I just don't see why it matters ... if you get arrested for drunk driving, or for the sale/purchase of any legit drug, then sure, a serious multi-game suspension. There's literally no reason that Gordon shouldn't be allowed to smoke weed and catch TDs and drive NFL ratings. Why does the NFL drug test (PEDs aside)? What benefit does it provide them to suspend players like Gordon and Blackmon? Keeps the image clean? Please. It hurts the league.

What Gordon did was foolish but it wasn't immoral. What Rice did was terrible. But the NFL has rigid rules on "drugs" (and by that I mean a plant that is decriminalized in approx. 33% of the states in our union) and tends to let the legal process dictate actual, serious offenses.

I'm not defending Gordon's actions, I'm criticizing the NFL's policies.

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that Donte Stallworth got the same suspension (1 year) for killing someone with his car while driving legally drunk... as Gordon gets for smoking weed. Gordon did do it more than once, though... and Stallworth only killed 1 guy, so there's that. And Rice only uppercut his wife once, too.

 

[maxwelledison]

How many times would Gordon need to get high for it to equal the offense of Rice?

He could literally smoke a million joints and it would not be as "bad" as what Rice did. I agree that Gordon seems rather foolish for continuing to smoke when he knew he would be frequently tested and that a positive test would result in a lengthy suspension. If I was his advisor I would just tell him he can smoke all he wants when he's 30 and no longer has an NFL career, and its foolish to risk millions to get high.

My point was that the NFL shouldn't really care who smokes or drinks. I just don't see why it matters ... if you get arrested for drunk driving, or for the sale/purchase of any legit drug, then sure, a serious multi-game suspension. There's literally no reason that Gordon shouldn't be allowed to smoke weed and catch TDs and drive NFL ratings. Why does the NFL drug test (PEDs aside)? What benefit does it provide them to suspend players like Gordon and Blackmon? Keeps the image clean? Please. It hurts the league.

What Gordon did was foolish but it wasn't immoral. What Rice did was terrible. But the NFL has rigid rules on "drugs" (and by that I mean a plant that is decriminalized in approx. 33% of the states in our union) and tends to let the legal process dictate actual, serious offenses.

I'm not defending Gordon's actions, I'm criticizing the NFL's policies.

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that Donte Stallworth got the same suspension (1 year) for killing someone with his car while driving legally drunk... as Gordon gets for smoking weed. Gordon did do it more than once, though... and Stallworth only killed 1 guy, so there's that. And Rice only uppercut his wife once, too.

Great post.

 

[karmarooster]

Oh, and, Jared Allen had 3 DUIs. He got a 4 game suspension reduced to 2 in 2007.

But, a different time...

 

[Adam Harstad]

How many times would Gordon need to get high for it to equal the offense of Rice?

He could literally smoke a million joints and it would not be as "bad" as what Rice did. I agree that Gordon seems rather foolish for continuing to smoke when he knew he would be frequently tested and that a positive test would result in a lengthy suspension. If I was his advisor I would just tell him he can smoke all he wants when he's 30 and no longer has an NFL career, and its foolish to risk millions to get high.

My point was that the NFL shouldn't really care who smokes or drinks. I just don't see why it matters ... if you get arrested for drunk driving, or for the sale/purchase of any legit drug, then sure, a serious multi-game suspension. There's literally no reason that Gordon shouldn't be allowed to smoke weed and catch TDs and drive NFL ratings. Why does the NFL drug test (PEDs aside)? What benefit does it provide them to suspend players like Gordon and Blackmon? Keeps the image clean? Please. It hurts the league.

What Gordon did was foolish but it wasn't immoral. What Rice did was terrible. But the NFL has rigid rules on "drugs" (and by that I mean a plant that is decriminalized in approx. 33% of the states in our union) and tends to let the legal process dictate actual, serious offenses.

I'm not defending Gordon's actions, I'm criticizing the NFL's policies.

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that Donte Stallworth got the same suspension (1 year) for killing someone with his car while driving legally drunk... as Gordon gets for smoking weed. Gordon did do it more than once, though... and Stallworth only killed 1 guy, so there's that. And Rice only uppercut his wife once, too.

Yeah, NFL's priorities are insane. Von Miller could get suspended for an entire season tomorrow for doing something that is perfectly legal in his own state. That's idiotic, and if there's a clearer example of the league's misplaced priorities, I would love to see it.

Of course, the NFL doesn't operate in a vacuum. It operates inside the context of a broader society, and that society's priorities have proven to be every bit as misplaced. No nation in all of recorded history has incarcerated a larger percentage of its population, and the majority of the blame for that falls on the back of the failed "War on Drugs". It's all fine for us enlightened individuals on a fantasy football message board to be saying "who cares if he smokes a joint, it's not like it's a performance enhancer" (and, in fact, I've said in the past that I think the outrage over performance enhancers is also overdone). But in a world where a president who admits to smoking pot in his youth, and who has stated that he doesn't think pot is any more dangerous than alcohol, can still prosecute roughly double the number of marijuana cases as his predecessor... let's just say that I'm not expecting sanity to suddenly prevail in the NFL's policy any time soon. Ten years from now, I think there's a real chance the league might be coming around on this issue, but ten years from now will be ten years too late for Josh Gordon.

In other words, it's crappy that an as-far-as-I-can-tell standup guy like Josh Gordon is considered a character risk and some real shining gems of inhumanity are not, but in today's NFL, Josh Gordon is a massive risk.

 

[seahawk 17]

How many times would Gordon need to get high for it to equal the offense of Rice?

He could literally smoke a million joints and it would not be as "bad" as what Rice did. I agree that Gordon seems rather foolish for continuing to smoke when he knew he would be frequently tested and that a positive test would result in a lengthy suspension. If I was his advisor I would just tell him he can smoke all he wants when he's 30 and no longer has an NFL career, and its foolish to risk millions to get high.

My point was that the NFL shouldn't really care who smokes or drinks. I just don't see why it matters ... if you get arrested for drunk driving, or for the sale/purchase of any legit drug, then sure, a serious multi-game suspension. There's literally no reason that Gordon shouldn't be allowed to smoke weed and catch TDs and drive NFL ratings. Why does the NFL drug test (PEDs aside)? What benefit does it provide them to suspend players like Gordon and Blackmon? Keeps the image clean? Please. It hurts the league.

What Gordon did was foolish but it wasn't immoral. What Rice did was terrible. But the NFL has rigid rules on "drugs" (and by that I mean a plant that is decriminalized in approx. 33% of the states in our union) and tends to let the legal process dictate actual, serious offenses.

I'm not defending Gordon's actions, I'm criticizing the NFL's policies.

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that Donte Stallworth got the same suspension (1 year) for killing someone with his car while driving legally drunk... as Gordon gets for smoking weed. Gordon did do it more than once, though... and Stallworth only killed 1 guy, so there's that. And Rice only uppercut his wife once, too.

Solid post.

 

[Catbird]

Its for the courts to punish criminal offenses? The NFL is about league and player integrity so their game isn't perceived as corrupted, A huge concern is letting drugs move further in and tainting public perception of the fairness of the game. I'm not at all condoning what any of these guys did, just noting that the NFL isn't the guy punishing the offender for the crimes. I think you can safely assume that if the charges were prosecuted and proved against Rice, he would face a worse criminal penalty than Gordon will for smoking weed. if your position is that because Rice was charged with a worse crime so whether or not convicted he should be punished more harshly by the league and that a history of 5 repeated offenses should have no bearing on the league's response, I think you are letting your love of weed skew your view.

 

[donkshow]

I don't think anybody here is defending what Gordon did, just pointing out how ridiculous much more serious offences are looked upon so much more lightly.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

We can complain all we want about the fairness or lack there of of the NFL, but the fact is Gordon broke a rule he knew would get him suspended.

 

[Ksquared]

Sometimes the ignorance of the shark pool is amazing, Drug violations are handled under the CBA - there is no flexibility unless the Union agrees to making a change in the policy.

The non-drug/PED violations (Ray Rice) are handled under the discretion of the Commissioner and most recently these penalties have been set after the legal process has occurred.

These are two separate areas of violation, thus handled differently. Whether that seems fair or not, the CBA is to blame for much of it.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Sometimes the ignorance of the shark pool is amazing, Drug violations are handled under the CBA - there is no flexibility unless the Union agrees to making a change in the policy.

The non-drug/PED violations (Ray Rice) are handled under the discretion of the Commissioner and most recently these penalties have been set after the legal process has occurred.

These are two separate areas of violation, thus handled differently. Whether that seems fair or not, the CBA is to blame for much of it.

I don't think anyone is saying that the NFL should somehow handle Gordon's suspension differently, or somehow handle Rice's suspension differently. My impression of the conversation is that people are saying "Wow, how dumb is it that the NFL's rules are written in such a way that Gordon is getting a year-long suspension and Rice is getting a slap on the wrist?"

Also, in recent months, I've come to question just how little flexibility there really is in the drug policy. It was initially reported that Blackmon would be eligible to apply for reinstatement at the beginning of the 2014 season, which contradicts with the "mandatory year-long ban in stage 3" that had been reported. Also, Von Miller and Josh Gordon both had suspensions adjusted last season, which suggests there's at least a little bit of leeway in terms of sentencing.

With that said, I have seen no reason to suspect that Goodell is inclined to exercise that leeway (if, in fact, it even exists), and for all intents and purposes, the penalties for drugs in the NFL are pretty clear and inflexible.

 

[ghostguy123]

Good points but there are differences between Gordon and Rice's situation.

Gordon has no out--he had PRIORS. This was not his first rodeo concerning weed. He smoked, knew he should not be smoking, and he got caught--end of story. He was warned all season long, don't smoke or you will be suspended a year, and yet he STILL did it. He cannot claim he never saw this coming.

I coulda swarn Ray Rice was tought/warned his entire life not to knock the #### out of a woman.....................

 

[ghostguy123]

How many times would Gordon need to get high for it to equal the offense of Rice?

He could literally smoke a million joints and it would not be as "bad" as what Rice did. I agree that Gordon seems rather foolish for continuing to smoke when he knew he would be frequently tested and that a positive test would result in a lengthy suspension. If I was his advisor I would just tell him he can smoke all he wants when he's 30 and no longer has an NFL career, and its foolish to risk millions to get high.

My point was that the NFL shouldn't really care who smokes or drinks. I just don't see why it matters ... if you get arrested for drunk driving, or for the sale/purchase of any legit drug, then sure, a serious multi-game suspension. There's literally no reason that Gordon shouldn't be allowed to smoke weed and catch TDs and drive NFL ratings. Why does the NFL drug test (PEDs aside)? What benefit does it provide them to suspend players like Gordon and Blackmon? Keeps the image clean? Please. It hurts the league.

What Gordon did was foolish but it wasn't immoral. What Rice did was terrible. But the NFL has rigid rules on "drugs" (and by that I mean a plant that is decriminalized in approx. 33% of the states in our union) and tends to let the legal process dictate actual, serious offenses.

I'm not defending Gordon's actions, I'm criticizing the NFL's policies.

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that Donte Stallworth got the same suspension (1 year) for killing someone with his car while driving legally drunk... as Gordon gets for smoking weed. Gordon did do it more than once, though... and Stallworth only killed 1 guy, so there's that. And Rice only uppercut his wife once, too.

Great post.

He only uppercut her once.............that we know of.

 

[ghostguy123]

Its for the courts to punish criminal offenses? The NFL is about league and player integrity so their game isn't perceived as corrupted, A huge concern is letting drugs move further in and tainting public perception of the fairness of the game. I'm not at all condoning what any of these guys did, just noting that the NFL isn't the guy punishing the offender for the crimes. I think you can safely assume that if the charges were prosecuted and proved against Rice, he would face a worse criminal penalty than Gordon will for smoking weed. if your position is that because Rice was charged with a worse crime so whether or not convicted he should be punished more harshly by the league and that a history of 5 repeated offenses should have no bearing on the league's response, I think you are letting your love of weed skew your view.

Does it matter what Rice is actually charged with? The video is the video. Yes, in a RATIONAL world knocking the #### out of your wife (or anyone really) is 100x worse than smoking up every joint on the planet.

99.9% of legal medications that we have are more harmful to your body than marijauna (vaporizer style)..............

We are behind he times on marijuana because our gub-ment is rAtarded.

The fact that they even test for it is stupid. As said before, if the players ever face any legal charges for using/buying/selling it THEN they can be punished. And soon enough, there won't be any legal punishment for it either.

 

[msommer]

Sometimes the ignorance of the shark pool is amazing, Drug violations are handled under the CBA - there is no flexibility unless the Union agrees to making a change in the policy.

The non-drug/PED violations (Ray Rice) are handled under the discretion of the Commissioner and most recently these penalties have been set after the legal process has occurred.

These are two separate areas of violation, thus handled differently. Whether that seems fair or not, the CBA is to blame for much of it.

I don't think anyone is saying that the NFL should somehow handle Gordon's suspension differently, or somehow handle Rice's suspension differently. My impression of the conversation is that people are saying "Wow, how dumb is it that the NFL's rules are written in such a way that Gordon is getting a year-long suspension and Rice is getting a slap on the wrist?"

Also, in recent months, I've come to question just how little flexibility there really is in the drug policy. It was initially reported that Blackmon would be eligible to apply for reinstatement at the beginning of the 2014 season, which contradicts with the "mandatory year-long ban in stage 3" that had been reported. Also, Von Miller and Josh Gordon both had suspensions adjusted last season, which suggests there's at least a little bit of leeway in terms of sentencing.

With that said, I have seen no reason to suspect that Goodell is inclined to exercise that leeway (if, in fact, it even exists), and for all intents and purposes, the penalties for drugs in the NFL are pretty clear and inflexible.

Blackmon has already served 8 games suspension, in addition to the four he got from the previous offense.

I can't remember who was the source on the 'possible reinstatement before the seson' report was, but Caldwell was out pretty soon after saying that he was a 'luxury' if he played in 2014. So it would seem the first report was erroneous.

The rest of this post is not directed at you Adam, but in general at those stating that the rules are wrong today

In an ideal world scum like Leonard Little, Donte Stallworth and Ray Lewis should have been banned for life. They were not.

Daryl Washington has not been suspended yet, despite his guilty plea to a felony.

Should Ray Rice be suspended. Absolutely. How much? More or less than killers? More or less than other domestic abusers?

Should the drug use rules in the NFL be changed? What does public opinion say - does the American public want to see drunk and stoned players? WIll that impact the brand in a positive way?

I think most of you know the answers to these questions

 

[ghostguy123]

Blackmon has already served 8 games suspension, in addition to the four he got from the previous offense.

I can't remember who was the source on the 'possible reinstatement before the seson' report was, but Caldwell was out pretty soon after saying that he was a 'luxury' if he played in 2014. So it would seem the first report was erroneous.

The rest of this post is not directed at you Adam, but in general at those stating that the rules are wrong today

In an ideal world scum like Leonard Little, Donte Stallworth and Ray Lewis should have been banned for life. They were not.

Daryl Washington has not been suspended yet, despite his guilty plea to a felony.

Should Ray Rice be suspended. Absolutely. How much? More or less than killers? More or less than other domestic abusers?

Should the drug use rules in the NFL be changed? What does public opinion say - does the American public want to see drunk and stoned players? WIll that impact the brand in a positive way?

I think most of you know the answers to these questions

Are they not already seeing drunk players?? And does that usually turn out better or worse than a stoned player?

And frankly, if they take marijuana off the banned substance list, it may very well impact the brand in a positive way. We won't hear about these guys failing the drug tests anymore.

 

[ghostguy123]

I would also think a league full of stoners would impact the league in a less negative way than allowing murderers and wife beaters to play without the same suspensions as some tokers.

 

[msommer]

Blackmon has already served 8 games suspension, in addition to the four he got from the previous offense.

I can't remember who was the source on the 'possible reinstatement before the seson' report was, but Caldwell was out pretty soon after saying that he was a 'luxury' if he played in 2014. So it would seem the first report was erroneous.

The rest of this post is not directed at you Adam, but in general at those stating that the rules are wrong today

In an ideal world scum like Leonard Little, Donte Stallworth and Ray Lewis should have been banned for life. They were not.

Daryl Washington has not been suspended yet, despite his guilty plea to a felony.

Should Ray Rice be suspended. Absolutely. How much? More or less than killers? More or less than other domestic abusers?

Should the drug use rules in the NFL be changed? What does public opinion say - does the American public want to see drunk and stoned players? WIll that impact the brand in a positive way?

I think most of you know the answers to these questions

Are they not already seeing drunk players?? And does that usually turn out better or worse than a stoned player?

And frankly, if they take marijuana off the banned substance list, it may very well impact the brand in a positive way. We won't hear about these guys failing the drug tests anymore.

Blackmon says hi

 

[ghostguy123]

Blackmon says hi

What was Blackmon originally caught with in his system?

If it was weed, we never would have even heard of him drinking/smoking.................in which case, Blackmon never says "hi".

 

[KellysHeroes]

Its a privilege to play, not a right just because you have the ability to. When these kids choose to play for the NFL they need to follow their rules, if they they get suspended from work. Yes, the days of the guys have multiple offenses and keep playing are over.

And Ray Rice is going to hit by the NFL, the NFL has to wait for the legal system and then I expect RR to get 4 - 8.

 

[ghostguy123]

Its a privilege to play, not a right just because you have the ability to. When these kids choose to play for the NFL they need to follow their rules, if they they get suspended from work. Yes, the days of the guys have multiple offenses and keep playing are over.

And Ray Rice is going to hit by the NFL, the NFL has to wait for the legal system and then I expect RR to get 4 - 8.

We know, but that doesnt mean some of the rules arent stupid.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

How many times would Gordon need to get high for it to equal the offense of Rice?

He could literally smoke a million joints and it would not be as "bad" as what Rice did. I agree that Gordon seems rather foolish for continuing to smoke when he knew he would be frequently tested and that a positive test would result in a lengthy suspension. If I was his advisor I would just tell him he can smoke all he wants when he's 30 and no longer has an NFL career, and its foolish to risk millions to get high.

My point was that the NFL shouldn't really care who smokes or drinks. I just don't see why it matters ... if you get arrested for drunk driving, or for the sale/purchase of any legit drug, then sure, a serious multi-game suspension. There's literally no reason that Gordon shouldn't be allowed to smoke weed and catch TDs and drive NFL ratings. Why does the NFL drug test (PEDs aside)? What benefit does it provide them to suspend players like Gordon and Blackmon? Keeps the image clean? Please. It hurts the league.

What Gordon did was foolish but it wasn't immoral. What Rice did was terrible. But the NFL has rigid rules on "drugs" (and by that I mean a plant that is decriminalized in approx. 33% of the states in our union) and tends to let the legal process dictate actual, serious offenses.

I'm not defending Gordon's actions, I'm criticizing the NFL's policies.

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that Donte Stallworth got the same suspension (1 year) for killing someone with his car while driving legally drunk... as Gordon gets for smoking weed. Gordon did do it more than once, though... and Stallworth only killed 1 guy, so there's that. And Rice only uppercut his wife once, too.

I agree with you in principal, but we don't know that Rice isn't going to be suspended. If he's found guilty, a suspension may be the least of his worries.

 

[msommer]

Blackmon says hi

What was Blackmon originally caught with in his system?

If it was weed, we never would have even heard of him drinking/smoking.................in which case, Blackmon never says "hi".

It doesn't have to be the same banned substance twice (although I belive you can get cuaght with ped and drunk and go into two different programs)

So, yes, Hi!

 

[ghostguy123]

Blackmon says hi

What was Blackmon originally caught with in his system?

If it was weed, we never would have even heard of him drinking/smoking.................in which case, Blackmon never says "hi".

It doesn't have to be the same banned substance twice (although I belive you can get cuaght with ped and drunk and go into two different programs)

So, yes, Hi!

Alcohol isnt banned. So what was the initial substance?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Blackmon says hi

What was Blackmon originally caught with in his system?

If it was weed, we never would have even heard of him drinking/smoking.................in which case, Blackmon never says "hi".

It doesn't have to be the same banned substance twice (although I belive you can get cuaght with ped and drunk and go into two different programs)So, yes, Hi!

Alcohol isnt banned. So what was the initial substance?

The prevailing speculation is that he entered the league already in the NFL substance abuse program due to his multiple DUIs in college. They don't release stuff like what drug shows up on a failed test.

 

[rjv]

Have absolutely zero sympathy for this tool.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

SI's Peter King says Josh Gordon is likely to be suspended "somewhere between eight and 16 games" for his latest failed drug test.
Last June, the Cleveland Plain Dealer reported that Gordon was in Stage 3 of the league's substance abuse program. If that remains the case, the minimum suspension is one year -- after a which a player must apply for reinstatement. Of course, Gordon's camp will appeal and likely try to argue their client should have been in Stage 2. A violation at that point comes with a 4-6 game ban. Either way, it's mind-blowing Gordon couldn't stay clean even with the incentive of his first mammoth contract at the end of the rainbow.

 

[Godsbrother]

But Ray Rice probably won't miss a game for his ####. What a joke.

This. ITT we have all this dumb argument over addiction and whether or not he's "dumb"... he smoked weed, at least twice. Ok. WOW.

Ray Rice UPPERCUT his wife, knocked her unconscious, and drug her body around the hotel. It's on video. And yet he remains unsuspended.

Donald sterling said something racist and got banned for life. Gordon smoked weed and got banned for a year. Ray Rice beat a woman and "we'll let the legal process play out."

I've gotta say that's a million times worse than smoking an herb that the majority of americans now consider socially acceptable, worthy of legalization and regulation and less harmful than alcohol and cigarettes. This NFL looks a lot like the DEA (classifying marijuana as more harmful than cocaine, for example).

Tell me which one of these players is more deserving of a season long suspension?

Great posting. If Ray Rice gets away without a suspension after being arrested and charged with beating up and dragging a woman around a hotel then the NFL is seriously messed up.

 

[msommer]

Blackmon says hi

What was Blackmon originally caught with in his system?

If it was weed, we never would have even heard of him drinking/smoking.................in which case, Blackmon never says "hi".

It doesn't have to be the same banned substance twice (although I belive you can get cuaght with ped and drunk and go into two different programs)

So, yes, Hi!

Alcohol isnt banned. So what was the initial substance?

It is when you get a DUI at .24 BAC

 

[King of the Jungle]

So when will we know what is going to happen to him?

 

[Anarchy99]

So when will we know what is going to happen to him?

When the league announces their official decision after the initial appeal is heard. Everything out there now is just news that he failed a test.

 

[wadegarrett]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZQzSi2HtQs

 

[Soulfly3]

Unless Im off base, a "failed test" could mean one of 3 things, correct?

A fail due to traces of substance found. A fail due to diluted sampling. A fail due to missing a test

Perhaps the "confidence" and lack of worry comes from the fact it was one of the latter two "fails" which they argue down to a minimum?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Unless Im off base, a "failed test" could mean one of 3 things, correct?

A fail due to traces of substance found. A fail due to diluted sampling. A fail due to missing a test

Perhaps the "confidence" and lack of worry comes from the fact it was one of the latter two "fails" which they argue down to a minimum?

Either way he's in stage three moving forward -- the length of this particular suspension isn't really all that important compared to the fact that he's looking at 10 tests / month forever moving forward, along with at least a year off for each failed test. He's failed multiple tests on both the NCAA and NFL levels. He's probably done for good -- or at least the odds are stacked HUGELY against him.

 

[menobrown]

Unless Im off base, a "failed test" could mean one of 3 things, correct?

A fail due to traces of substance found. A fail due to diluted sampling. A fail due to missing a test

Perhaps the "confidence" and lack of worry comes from the fact it was one of the latter two "fails" which they argue down to a minimum?

Maybe but I'm thinking if there is actually any "confidence" it's that he might not get the full year.

 

[lod01]

Unless Im off base, a "failed test" could mean one of 3 things, correct?

A fail due to traces of substance found. A fail due to diluted sampling. A fail due to missing a test

Perhaps the "confidence" and lack of worry comes from the fact it was one of the latter two "fails" which they argue down to a minimum?

Well based on how the league makes up their rules you could be onto something here.

For instance. If you run the ball, all you have to do is cross the plane of the GL.You can drop it right then. If you catch the ball, falling backwards into the endzone after taking a couple of steps, you have to 'complete the catch' which is simply a judgment by the ref at that time.

The NFL could use that judgment option and say that maybe the traces were a certain level so maybe he was just around the weed smoke. Thus keeping top talent at WR in the game.

You have that going for you, Gordon owners.

 

[Soulfly3]

just going to pass this along... it was also theory I brought up immediately after the news broke.

do NOT take this as fact.

rumors are started to come along that the test came up as a fail - but that the levels that were found in the sample are consistent w samples that are a result of second hand smoke.

this would obviously be best case scenario for Browns fans

 

[B-Deep]

just going to pass this along... it was also theory I brought up immediately after the news broke.

do NOT take this as fact.

rumors are started to come along that the test came up as a fail - but that the levels that were found in the sample are consistent w samples that are a result of second hand smoke.

this would obviously be best case scenario for Browns fans

best case scenario is gordon stays away from weed

 

[Soulfly3]

best case scenario is gordon stays away from weed

well, yes.

But easier said than done. ####'s everywhere.

Guy basically can barely hang ww friends, go to a concert, sporting event etc. The smoke is everywhere

 

[B-Deep]

best case scenario is gordon stays away from weed

well, yes.

But easier said than done. ####'s everywhere.

Guy basically can barely hang ww friends, go to a concert, sporting event etc. The smoke is everywhere

enabler

there's a #### ton of NFL players every year who don;t get busted, somehow JG is just in the wrong place at the wrong time and has been since college right?

just prepare to move on, the guy cannot stay clean

 

[Soulfly3]

you're talking to a guy who WANTS more steroids in football.

So to me, marijuana isnt even a discussion. Let them smoke. all of them

 

[B-Deep]

http://mobiledrugtestinglongisland.wordpress.com/2012/04/23/can-secondhand-smoke-cause-a-positive-drug-test-for-marijuana/

We get asked this question a lot at USA Mobile Drug Testing, so I did some researching for facts.If you are even slightly concerned about receiving a positivedrug test, call our offices at 516-802-3546 or email central.longisland@usamdt.com and we can arrange for you to pre-test. We have mobile collectors to come to you or can arrange use of an affiliated walk in collection site. Now the answer is: In rare occurrences, secondhand marijuana smoke can cause you to fail your drug test however..read on

It is possible that secondhand marijuana smoke will raise someone to the 50 ng/mL level. However, extreme secondhand exposure is required. For instance, being in a closed car full of pot smokers for several hours might cause someone to test positive in a drug test the very next day. Non-smokers are safe in a ventilated area such as an average living room or garage where party-goers are smoking pot.

http://marijuana.com/drug-test/detection-time/

Can Secondhand Smoke Cause a Positive Drug Test?
In rare occurrences, secondhand marijuana smoke can cause you to fail your drug test. It is possible that secondhand marijuana smoke will raise someone to the 50 ng/mL level. However, extreme secondhand exposure is required. For instance, being in a closed car full of pot smokers for several hours might cause someone to test positive in a drug testthe very next day. Non-smokers are safe in a ventilated area such as an average living room or garage where partygoers are smoking pot.

http://www.newhealthguide.org/Will-Second-Hand-Smoke-Show-Up-In-Drug-Test.html

Will Second Hand Smoke Show up in Drug Test?
It is very unlikely that second hand smoke will make you fail a drug test. However, it can leave traces of the active chemical in the marijuana, tetrahydracannabinol, or THC for short. This amount of THC is not likely to alert most drug tests. In addition, most drug tests are highly sophisticated, and can avoid those false positives that might come from second hand smoke inhalation.

 

[B-Deep]

you're talking to a guy who WANTS more steroids in football.

So to me, marijuana isnt even a discussion. Let them smoke. all of them

but neither you, nor gordon, make the rules

if he continues to use he will hurt your team, and there is no indication that even when being paid millions of dollars he can stop using

i think QBs should be able to be picked up and body slammed into the ground repeatedly, but if a player on my team does it it is going to hurt the team

 

[Soulfly3]

you're talking to a guy who WANTS more steroids in football.

So to me, marijuana isnt even a discussion. Let them smoke. all of them

but neither you, nor gordon, make the rules

if he continues to use he will hurt your team, and there is no indication that even when being paid millions of dollars he can stop using

i think QBs should be able to be picked up and body slammed into the ground repeatedly, but if a player on my team does it it is going to hurt the team

well, Im waiting for word on what he's done before I cast final judgement.

gonna be hard to piss on the guy if he gets no suspension

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

How many times would Gordon need to get high for it to equal the offense of Rice?

He could literally smoke a million joints and it would not be as "bad" as what Rice did. I agree that Gordon seems rather foolish for continuing to smoke when he knew he would be frequently tested and that a positive test would result in a lengthy suspension. If I was his advisor I would just tell him he can smoke all he wants when he's 30 and no longer has an NFL career, and its foolish to risk millions to get high.

My point was that the NFL shouldn't really care who smokes or drinks. I just don't see why it matters ... if you get arrested for drunk driving, or for the sale/purchase of any legit drug, then sure, a serious multi-game suspension. There's literally no reason that Gordon shouldn't be allowed to smoke weed and catch TDs and drive NFL ratings. Why does the NFL drug test (PEDs aside)? What benefit does it provide them to suspend players like Gordon and Blackmon? Keeps the image clean? Please. It hurts the league.

What Gordon did was foolish but it wasn't immoral. What Rice did was terrible. But the NFL has rigid rules on "drugs" (and by that I mean a plant that is decriminalized in approx. 33% of the states in our union) and tends to let the legal process dictate actual, serious offenses.

I'm not defending Gordon's actions, I'm criticizing the NFL's policies.

While I'm at it, I'd like to point out that Donte Stallworth got the same suspension (1 year) for killing someone with his car while driving legally drunk... as Gordon gets for smoking weed. Gordon did do it more than once, though... and Stallworth only killed 1 guy, so there's that. And Rice only uppercut his wife once, too.

Yeah, NFL's priorities are insane. Von Miller could get suspended for an entire season tomorrow for doing something that is perfectly legal in his own state. That's idiotic, and if there's a clearer example of the league's misplaced priorities, I would love to see it.

Of course, the NFL doesn't operate in a vacuum. It operates inside the context of a broader society, and that society's priorities have proven to be every bit as misplaced. No nation in all of recorded history has incarcerated a larger percentage of its population, and the majority of the blame for that falls on the back of the failed "War on Drugs". It's all fine for us enlightened individuals on a fantasy football message board to be saying "who cares if he smokes a joint, it's not like it's a performance enhancer" (and, in fact, I've said in the past that I think the outrage over performance enhancers is also overdone). But in a world where a president who admits to smoking pot in his youth, and who has stated that he doesn't think pot is any more dangerous than alcohol, can still prosecute roughly double the number of marijuana cases as his predecessor... let's just say that I'm not expecting sanity to suddenly prevail in the NFL's policy any time soon. Ten years from now, I think there's a real chance the league might be coming around on this issue, but ten years from now will be ten years too late for Josh Gordon.

In other words, it's crappy that an as-far-as-I-can-tell standup guy like Josh Gordon is considered a character risk and some real shining gems of inhumanity are not, but in today's NFL, Josh Gordon is a massive risk.

I somewhat agree that maybe the weed smoking is taken a little more seriously than it probably should be, but what did donald sterling do that was illegal?

I don't think that necessarily the legality of an action is an adequate defense when being censured by an employer.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

btw, how many keeper league owners have already killed themselves?

 

[Buckna]

just going to pass this along... it was also theory I brought up immediately after the news broke.

do NOT take this as fact.

rumors are started to come along that the test came up as a fail - but that the levels that were found in the sample are consistent w samples that are a result of second hand smoke.

this would obviously be best case scenario for Browns fans

The Travis Henry Defense. He ultimately won his appeal but then failed another test only 5 months later.

 

[simey]

btw, how many keeper league owners have already killed themselves?

Fortunately, my league doesn't declare their keepers until three days before our draft, and our draft is always near the end of August. We can keep three players for up to three years, but only one player per position (QB, RB, WR, TE, K, or D). I'm the owner in my league that has to decide whether to keep Gordon or not.

 

[Soulfly3]

@ScottPetrak: #Browns Haslam: we are counting on josh being good football player for Browns for long time to come.

@ScottPetrak 53m

#Browns Jimmy Haslam doesn't comment on Gordon possible suspension. But adds: very pleased w/ josh's professional growth over last year.

 

[Adam Harstad]

just going to pass this along... it was also theory I brought up immediately after the news broke.

do NOT take this as fact.

rumors are started to come along that the test came up as a fail - but that the levels that were found in the sample are consistent w samples that are a result of second hand smoke.

this would obviously be best case scenario for Browns fans

Mike Anderson tried the second-hand smoke defense under the more lenient Tagliabue regime. It didn't work out.