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Josh Gordon facing 1 year suspension? (1 Viewer)

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Concept Coop said:
fantasycurse42 said:
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lod01 said:
I would love to get super high right now but I value my job and the $ I make. Come retirement, or legalization, I'll be high high high. Right now its pretty easy to hold out.
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Because you like getting high, but are not addicted.
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So because he can think about consequences he isn't an addict, but bc Josh doesn't he is?
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"Addiction is the continued repetition of a behavior despite adverse consequences."

Any more questions?
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Nope, Josh Gordon is an intelligent weed addicted scholar. He prob wanted out of football to spend more time splitting the atom.

 
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King of the Jungle said:
Kid was getting a lot of recognition and positive pub during the offseason.....I thought maybe....just maybe he would relish in being one of the best in the world at his position and work hard to stay focused. Unfortunately for Josh and his teammates pot is more important. Cleveland sure was looking like they were turning things around, I feel bad for the fans.
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Blame the victim. Let Josh get high, NFL has issues if they want to remove an elite player from the game over weed.
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Yeah, this is the NFL's fault. Some of the responses in here are laughable.
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Those are owners of Josh Gordon.
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I don't play any dynasty leagues, I just hate to see a good football player ruined for no reason. NFL doesn't even test for HGH. They ask these guys to destroy their bodies. Who cares if they smoke weed? A bunch of billionaire 80 year old white guys? It's unAmerican to drug test and suspend a star employee over a drug that just helps them relax.
 
The sad thing is, there's pretty compelling evidence that marijuana is useful both for pain management and for treating concussions, two of the biggest issues facing the NFL right now. I'm on the fence in terms of recreational use, but when there's a clear medical benefit, it's ridiculous for the NFL to ban it. According to a Bryant Gumble interview, I think he estimated over half the players use it currently for pain management as it is.

 
There are things we are all at least psychologically addicted to. For me it would be very hard if not impossible to drop them cold turkey, without help. Fortunately, the things that I'm addicted to aren't ruining my life or career (Doritos, ice cream, fantasy football, etc...). I feel really bad for people addicted to things that ruin their lives. But I think if I had millions of dollars on the line and was down to my last chance, I'd somehow find a way to overcome or compensate with something else.

 
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Bruce Hammond said:
There are things we are all at least psychologically addicted to. For me it would be very hard if not impossible to drop them cold turkey, without help. Fortunately, the things that I'm addicted to aren't ruining my life or career (Doritos, ice cream, fantasy football, etc...). I feel really bad for people addicted to things that ruin their lives. But I think if I had millions of dollars on the line and was down to my last chance, I'd somehow find a way to overcome or compensate with something else.
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But he's an addict, and he lacked the necessary resources to check himself into rehab to get his mind right when he's on his last chance to keep his current job making millions of dollars making a game. Definitely just addictive traits and a lack of resources as the cause. No chance that he's just dumb as a rock.

 
Concept Coop said:
lod01 said:
Concept Coop said:
lod01 said:
Only thing Gordon is addicted to is stupidity.
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You need to think that because it's easier for you to understand. That doesn't make it a fact.
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So he's a genius?
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Never did I suggest that. But if Albert Einstein can be an addict--I think we can rule out lack of intelligence being the cause of addiction. And Einstein's not the only brilliant mind to be be an addict.
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Who claimed that Albert Einstein was an addict?

 
SayWhat? said:
Bruce Hammond said:
There are things we are all at least psychologically addicted to. For me it would be very hard if not impossible to drop them cold turkey, without help. Fortunately, the things that I'm addicted to aren't ruining my life or career (Doritos, ice cream, fantasy football, etc...). I feel really bad for people addicted to things that ruin their lives. But I think if I had millions of dollars on the line and was down to my last chance, I'd somehow find a way to overcome or compensate with something else.
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But he's an addict, and he lacked the necessary resources to check himself into rehab to get his mind right when he's on his last chance to keep his current job making millions of dollars making a game. Definitely just addictive traits and a lack of resources as the cause. No chance that he's just dumb as a rock.
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You spell out addictive behaviors in your sarcastic claim that it's not addiction. I'd leave those parts out.

 
Concept Coop said:
SayWhat? said:
Bruce Hammond said:
There are things we are all at least psychologically addicted to. For me it would be very hard if not impossible to drop them cold turkey, without help. Fortunately, the things that I'm addicted to aren't ruining my life or career (Doritos, ice cream, fantasy football, etc...). I feel really bad for people addicted to things that ruin their lives. But I think if I had millions of dollars on the line and was down to my last chance, I'd somehow find a way to overcome or compensate with something else.
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But he's an addict, and he lacked the necessary resources to check himself into rehab to get his mind right when he's on his last chance to keep his current job making millions of dollars making a game. Definitely just addictive traits and a lack of resources as the cause. No chance that he's just dumb as a rock.
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You spell out addictive behaviors in your sarcastic claim that it's not addiction. I'd leave those parts out.
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Right, you nailed it. Doesn't say anything about his level of intelligence.

 
Concept Coop said:
KellysHeroes said:
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KellysHeroes said:
so now hes an addict? more like stupid
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"Addiction is the continued repetition of a behavior despite adverse consequences"
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so stupid, like i said
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No. That says addiction. If it's easier for you to understand by calling it stupid--I guess it doesn't hurt anyone.
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He said that same thing to me when I called Gordon stupid. I think Coop is Gordon. Either that or he traded for Gordon after the owner found out Gordon screwed up and dumped him on Coop.

 
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puff...

puff...

no more passes...

if this is true, damn you josh.

get it together. and don't go to florida to hang w/ blackmon please.

 
lod01 said:
He said that same thing to me when I called Gordon stupid. I think Coop is Gordon.
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You are arguing against THE DEFINITION of a word. You are lucky you're wrong about intelligence level leading to addiction.

 
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It appears back in high school, I was addicted to marijuana because I smoked the #### out of it regardless of the consequences. (it did cost me a job working with the Roswell spaceship at Wright Patteson AFB back in the 80s.

 
lod01 said:
Concept Coop said:
KellysHeroes said:
Concept Coop said:
KellysHeroes said:
so now hes an addict? more like stupid
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"Addiction is the continued repetition of a behavior despite adverse consequences"
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so stupid, like i said
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No. That says addiction. If it's easier for you to understand by calling it stupid--I guess it doesn't hurt anyone.
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He said that same thing to me when I called Gordon stupid. I think Coop is Gordon.
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sound bitter to me, a lot of owners are going to be. This whole feeling bad for Gordon because jes addicted to weed is funny. The guy has been talented loser his whole life and probably blew is career in a puff of addictive smoke.

 
KellysHeroes said:
sound bitter to me, a lot of owners are going to be. This whole feeling bad for Gordon because jes addicted to weed is funny. The guy has been talented loser his whole life and probably blew is career in a puff of addictive smoke.
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Not bitter. But passionate on the subject. I don't understand what people get out reducing the struggles of others to their intelligence level or will power.

But it's common. There have always been those who claimed depression wasn't chemical. Then we proved it was with brain activity. Yet people still claim it's not chemical. Replace depression with ADD or any other mental disorder or chemical imbalance.

 
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lod01 said:
It appears back in high school, I was addicted to marijuana because I smoked the #### out of it regardless of the consequences. (it did cost me a job working with the Roswell spaceship at Wright Patteson AFB back in the 80s.
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I think you need to submit this to Webster. They need to know that they're wrong about addiction. If I could see the look on their faces!!

 
Concept Coop said:
lod01 said:
It appears back in high school, I was addicted to marijuana because I smoked the #### out of it regardless of the consequences. (it did cost me a job working with the Roswell spaceship at Wright Patteson AFB back in the 80s.
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I think you need to submit this to Webster. They need to know that they're wrong about addiction. If I could see the look on their faces!!
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That's a pretty broad definition. Not everything's meant to be taken so literally.

 
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That's a pretty broad definition. Not everything's meant to be taken so literally.
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That's the opposite of broad, actually. It's very specific and direct.

And the definition of the word isn't meant to be taken literally? Hmm. Who knew?

 
Well, when it comes to addiction, the ASAM and AAAP have a pretty technical page-long definition that they'll tell you in their footnotes can only be reliably diagnosed by the joint efforts of licensed physicians and licensed psychiatrists. So we don't really know whether he's stupid, addicted, or both.

But what we do know is that citing Webster's Collection of a Few Random Words probably isn't the best way to attempt to present a definitive case on a medical issue.

 
EBF said:
Don't own Gordon anywhere and don't have anything to lose from this news, but...

It is pretty dumb that the league tests for weed. It's not performance-enhancing. It's not a "hard" drug. Who cares if these guys have a few tokes?
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The NFL.

 
Freelove said:
But what we do know is that citing Webster's Collection of a Few Random Words probably isn't the best way to attempt to present a definitive case on a medical issue.
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Here's more:

"The word addiction is used in several different ways. One definition describes physical addiction. This is a biological state in which the body adapts to the presence of a drug so that drug no longer has the same effect; this is known as tolerance. Because of tolerance, there is a biological reaction when the drug is withdrawn. Another form of physical addiction is the phenomenon of overreaction by the brain to drugs (or to cues associated with the drugs). An alcoholic walking into a bar, for instance, will feel an extra pull to have a drink because of these cues.

However, most addictive behavior is not related to either physical tolerance or exposure to cues. People compulsively use drugs, gamble, or shop nearly always in reaction to being emotionally stressed, whether or not they have a physical addiction."

Freelove said:
Well, when it comes to addiction, the ASAM and AAAP have a pretty technical page-long definition that they'll tell you in their footnotes can only be reliably diagnosed by the joint efforts of licensed physicians and licensed psychiatrists. So we don't really know whether he's stupid, addicted, or both.
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Of course nobody here can diagnose him. But being stupid would only apply if he couldn't comprehend the result of his actions. I don't think that's the case here.

 
On the other hand, if we're not being sticklers, and are just going to go colloquially, I'm pretty comfortable just calling him dumb until the pros sort it out.

 
lod01 said:
Concept Coop said:
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What has gotten into you? Just chill out and move on.
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I'm snarky by nature. Nothing new. Not my intent to injure, however.
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Give Gordon a call and score some of his stash. You could really use some right about now.
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We've both been pretty sarcastic and pointed. But if I misread the tone, elevated it, or insulted you, please accept my apologies. That's not sarcastic.

ETA: And not just you, but anyone I may have offended, or even simply annoyed. :thumbup:

 
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Christo said:
Cocaine is actually an addictive substance. Any more bad comparisons in your quiver?
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You are under the impression that addiction is only chemical. That's understandable, as that's how it's presented often. But it's not the case.

Also, Einstein used LSD, which is not an addictive substance.

 
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