Kellen Winslow Motorcycle Accident (1 Viewer)

[steelerfan1]

by this photo it appears that winslow was supposed to cut the route off but continued going deep.

simply a communication breakdown by the "F-in Soldier".

 

[diesel7982]

Has this been posted?

The News Herald reports Cleveland Browns second-year TE Kellen Winslow II suffered internal injuries and possibly a punctured lung in a motorcycle crash Sunday evening. "Winslow has sustained some internal injuries, which are stable," the Browns said in a statement released Monday night. "There is also swelling in his right shoulder and knee. The extent of these injuries will not be known until further medical evaluation is completed after the swelling is reduced. Winslow will remain at the Cleveland Clinic overnight. No timetable for his release has been determined." The Browns would not elaborate, but two sources close to Winslow confirmed the possibility of a punctured lung and broken ribs. Further tests will be conducted when the swelling goes down, a source said. Winslow played in just two games in 2004 before being injured. He broke his right fibula and stretched ankle ligaments during an on-sides kickoff recovery attempt. Doctors repaired the damage in two surgeries one week apart. Dr. Anthony Miniaci used screws and plates to put the damaged pieces back together. The fibula healed fine. The front of the ankle did not heal quickly, yet the coaches insisted before the wreck that Winslow's recovery was on track.

 

[beef]

This is really a sad situation. Wasted Talent!!! Damn this sucks!

Winslow is a punk but I hate seeing talent go down the drain too. I feel more bad for the game of football than I do him though.

 

[diesel7982]

The Browns are in an interesting position here. On one hand, they have the right to ask for a big chunk of their $$$ back and certainly Winslow deserves to face the repercussions of his poor decision. On the other hand, you risk alienating and ruining a relationship with a player that by most accounts is supposed to be one of the, if not THE, cornerstones of your offensive resurgence.

If I were the Brownies, I would ask for a portion of the bonus back because not taking any of it sets a bad precedent. Something like 1-year of the pro rata would send a message to the team but still not materially change the contract parameters Winslow is working under.

Agree JWood…depending on the severity of the injuries they’ll work out some sort of agreement that benefits all parties.

I was waiting for someone making the point that you can't just take money away from a guy, especially one like Winslow, and expect him to remain happy with the team. Either they get their money back and cut/trade him or let him keep it and hope he returns healthy this year.

Thats what all of my posts on this page referred to...

 

[Hov34]

Cleveland radio reporting Kellen Winslow was in a motorcycle accident.  Initial word is he should be OK.  No link yet.  Updates as they become available.

Will he ever play a game? Been a pretty rought start to his career

:karma:

Oh, I get it...:Homerpalooza:

 

[WhoDat]

Ah, there are about ten million lawyers that just start salivating when they hear that. There is always grey area. If the lawyer is good enough there is always a leg to stand on. The NFLPA will back Winslow if they try to get all the bonus money back, purely out of selfish principle. They may lose, but thats not the point. The will fight the fight because thats what unions do. Unions take up hopeless cases all the time because in the long run it puts them in a stronger position by making the organizations eager to settle rather than run up interminable legal fees. You can bet Winslow will lawyer up and you can bet the NFLPA will back him. They may well lose but far more likely the Browns will cut a deal rather than suffer the media nightmare and the legal costs. The Bulls situation with Jay Williams was ever more cut and dried than this one and they cut a deal with him even though they had every right to completely void his contract, and Williams wasnt even really a big name. I assure you it wasnt done out of compassion.

I addressed that point by stating the union would protect the interest of their member and see he receives fair representation and due process. However...If the injuries and alleged facts of this case due present themselves as truth over the course of time, Winslow is in clear violation of his employee agreement. The most the union will be able to do is what we each suggested, which is to see he gets a fair shake at some type of amicable settlement. I do not care what legal army is brought in after the fact, though, because the contract is a binding agreement that Winslow willingly read, agreed to and signed. The union has plenty of power but they cannot refute or negate that fact.

My grey area comment was directed solely at the terms and conditions of the contract and Winslow's apparent disregard of them not the entire situation. The contract is black and white. Winslow's negligence of it, contract, has brought about this situation. That is why it, contract, is defined, presented and understood by all parties involved before being ratified. It dissolves, as much as possible, all grey area matters. Sorry for any confusion on that item.

You are right in stating that this entire situation could present a few cloudy and sticky areas for all parties involved but the contract is well defined.

You are also correct in suggesting the Browns have a hard hand to play and will find a medium between restitution and saving the relationship with the player, as cited by your example of Jason Williams. Good point.

I agree with what has been stated that the Browns, assuming the injuries are as bad as being reported in some cases, will find neutral ground and split the difference on this one.

 

[dloew]

I agree with what has been stated that the Browns, assuming the injuries are as bad as being reported in some cases, will find neutral ground and split the difference on this one.

I really doubt it. Randy Lerner still paid Butchie all his money after he resigned; Lerner didn't owe him a dime. My guess is the Browns will not seek repayment of any money, nor will they withhold any future earnings.

 

[Banger]

I agree with what has been stated that the Browns, assuming the injuries are as bad as being reported in some cases, will find neutral ground and split the difference on this one.

I really doubt it. Randy Lerner still paid Butchie all his money after he resigned; Lerner didn't owe him a dime. My guess is the Browns will not seek repayment of any money, nor will they withhold any future earnings.

Agreed. I don't know if I would say poor Brownies like a number of others are saying and chalking this up to another case of bad luck. This is a character issue and teams knew he had issues from the way his father/agents managed negotiations and interviews before the draft. If I remember correctly a few teams avoided him because of his "character" issues so the Browns took a shot despite the issues. Now they have to deal with the consequences.

 

[The Man Who Met Andy Griffith]

I agree with what has been stated that the Browns, assuming the injuries are as bad as being reported in some cases, will find neutral ground and split the difference on this one.

I really doubt it. Randy Lerner still paid Butchie all his money after he resigned; Lerner didn't owe him a dime. My guess is the Browns will not seek repayment of any money, nor will they withhold any future earnings.

I won't speculate as to what will hapen IF (if) Winslow has frittered away his career. But do note that if they get the money back from him they get actual cap relief, which would definitely help the team out. Paying Butch off has no cap implications.

 

[SproutDaddy]

:sogladIpickedTroupeinstead:

So am I!!!

Really. How often did you start Troupe last year?

How many times did you start Winslow last year?

 

[Mungo Burrows]

The Browns are in an interesting position here. On one hand, they have the right to ask for a big chunk of their $$$ back and certainly Winslow deserves to face the repercussions of his poor decision. On the other hand, you risk alienating and ruining a relationship with a player that by most accounts is supposed to be one of the, if not THE, cornerstones of your offensive resurgence.

If I were the Brownies, I would ask for a portion of the bonus back because not taking any of it sets a bad precedent. Something like 1-year of the pro rata would send a message to the team but still not materially change the contract parameters Winslow is working under.

Agree JWood…depending on the severity of the injuries they’ll work out some sort of agreement that benefits all parties.

I was waiting for someone making the point that you can't just take money away from a guy, especially one like Winslow, and expect him to remain happy with the team. Either they get their money back and cut/trade him or let him keep it and hope he returns healthy this year.

Depending on how badly he's hurt, they may not think it's worth keeping him around even without the bonus payments. They may ask for the bonus and just set him adrift because he's damaged goods.

 

[-OZ-]

:sogladIpickedTroupeinstead:

So am I!!!

Really. How often did you start Troupe last year?

Nice logic, but Troupe was "startable" for a few games last year, top 3 for the last 3 weeks, and you're missing the point - who will start more in 2005, and probably beyond?Not to mention the value of the pick, KW2 had to be a 1st, Troupe was a 3rd or later.

So, Roy Williams and Troupe or Watts and KW2? hmmm.....

 

[Donnybrook]

:sogladIpickedTroupeinstead:

So am I!!!

Really. How often did you start Troupe last year?

How many times did you start Winslow last year?

If you actually started Troupe you probably gave up more FF points than you gained. IIRC, Troupe spent half the season living in Coach Fisher’s dog house. At least with Winslow I was never tempted to start him. I manage to get by with Eric Johnson.

Do I regret drafting Winslow? You bet. But do I regret drafting him instead of Troupe, not a chance. His name would even be in the top 20 of players I rather have drafted.

And to OZ – you must be a braver man than me or can you predict the future because why would anyone risk starting Troupe in the playoffs.

 

[top dog]

Cbs.sportsline.com is reporting that the Browns fear he has torn his ACL and will miss the season.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/8441251

Browns worry tight end Winslow might be done for season

Clark Judge May 3, 2005

By Clark Judge

CBS SportsLine.com Senior Writer

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The Cleveland Browns are concerned that injuries suffered by Kellen Winslow Jr. in a weekend motorcycle accident will prevent the second-year tight end from playing this season, NFL sources said.

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The primary problem, sources said, are potentially significant injuries to the right knee and right shoulder -- with the club unable to determine the extent of damage to either until swelling subsides.

The swelling in the knee was considerable, sources said, with the Browns fearful Winslow may have torn his anterior cruciate ligament. The club also suspects Winslow may have suffered ligament or tendon damage to his shoulder, sources said.

In addition, sources said the Browns believe Winslow may have suffered a punctured lung and an injury to his kidney, but that neither had the club overly concerned. A source close to the club said the kidney was bruised.

Winslow was hurt while riding his motorcycle in the parking lot of a community college Sunday. According to police, he hit a curb while driving 35 mph and was thrown from the bike.

He later was taken by ambulance to Fairview Hospital and was transferred to Cleveland Clinic where the Browns' medical staff treated him. The club later said Winslow's injuries were not life threatening, but sources close to the team said the organization has serious concerns that his season may be imperiled.

"Winslow has sustained some internal injuries, which are stable," the Browns said in a statement released Monday. "There is also swelling in his right shoulder and knee. The extent of the injuries will not be known until further medical evaluation is completed after the swelling is reduced."

Winslow was the team's first-round draft pick in 2004, but missed all but two games after breaking his right leg against Dallas attempting to recover an onside kick in the closing seconds.

Winslow, who had five catches last year, had two surgeries on the leg and appeared recovered from the injury.

 

[Kleck.]

John Clayton also said on SportsCenter that the Browns worry that he could miss the season.

 

[-OZ-]

:sogladIpickedTroupeinstead:

So am I!!!

Really. How often did you start Troupe last year?

How many times did you start Winslow last year?

If you actually started Troupe you probably gave up more FF points than you gained. IIRC, Troupe spent half the season living in Coach Fisher’s dog house. At least with Winslow I was never tempted to start him. I manage to get by with Eric Johnson.

Do I regret drafting Winslow? You bet. But do I regret drafting him instead of Troupe, not a chance. His name would even be in the top 20 of players I rather have drafted.

And to OZ – you must be a braver man than me or can you predict the future because why would anyone risk starting Troupe in the playoffs.

Not really, he was on my taxi squad But he would have won me the league. Curious, where was Troupe picked in your league? In most of mine he didn't go top 30, so while you may have 20 players you prefer, you can't deny that he was a better value.

 

[Boone22]

More info about the injuries...Browns | Winslow may Miss the Entire Season - from www.KFFL.comTue, 3 May 2005 17:04:36 -0700Clark Judge, of SportsLine.com, reports the Cleveland Browns are concerned injuries suffered by TE Kellen Winslow Jr. in his motorcycle accident may cost him the entire 2005 season. The primary problem, sources said, are potentially significant injuries to the right knee and right shoulder. The team cannot confirm the extent of the injuries until the swelling in the knee and shoulder subside. In addition, sources said the Browns believe Winslow may have suffered a punctured lung and an injury to his kidney, but neither of those injuries has the team overly concerned. Browns | Winslow Injury Update - from www.KFFL.comTue, 3 May 2005 21:21:48 -0700Updating an ongoing storyline, Clark Judge, reports for SportsLine.com, according to sources the Cleveland Browns are now fearful TE Kellen Winslow Jr. may have torn his ACL. The team also suspects Winslow may have suffered ligament or tendon damage to his shoulder, according to sources. The injuries occurred when Winslow crashed his motorcycle Sunday, May 1.

 

[Prime]

More info about the injuries...

Browns | Winslow may Miss the Entire Season - from www.KFFL.com

Tue, 3 May 2005 17:04:36 -0700

Clark Judge, of SportsLine.com, reports the Cleveland Browns are concerned injuries suffered by TE Kellen Winslow Jr. in his motorcycle accident may cost him the entire 2005 season. The primary problem, sources said, are potentially significant injuries to the right knee and right shoulder. The team cannot confirm the extent of the injuries until the swelling in the knee and shoulder subside. In addition, sources said the Browns believe Winslow may have suffered a punctured lung and an injury to his kidney, but neither of those injuries has the team overly concerned.

Browns | Winslow Injury Update - from www.KFFL.com

Tue, 3 May 2005 21:21:48 -0700

Updating an ongoing storyline, Clark Judge, reports for SportsLine.com, according to sources the Cleveland Browns are now fearful TE Kellen Winslow Jr. may have torn his ACL. The team also suspects Winslow may have suffered ligament or tendon damage to his shoulder, according to sources. The injuries occurred when Winslow crashed his motorcycle Sunday, May 1.

Did you happen to read the post three posts ago? You know, the one where he posted this exact info and more?Just messin with ya!

Too bad for this kid. I hope he heals and learned not to be such a knucklehead.

 

[gman8343]

This has to be a humbling experience for this guy.

 

[Colin Dowling]

There are some other unconfirmed sources being floated saying that the injuries are more serious then originally reported.

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[Fred Lane]

I guess he's pretty luck, though, after seeing this pic of the incident

Winslow's Bike

 

[fatness]

There are some other unconfirmed sources being floated saying that the injuries are more serious then originally reported.

There are a lot of unconfirmed reports of various things about this incident. I read several that said Winslow was driving the motorcycle without a permit. It turns out he had obtained a learners permit for it. Cleveland Plain Dealer link

I think the reports of the language contained in his contract are questionable, also. Not necessarily wrong, but not necessarily right either. I understand that contracts vary from team to tem, player to player, but Ben Roethlisberger's contract does not prohibit him from riding his motorcycle according to his agent.

PittsburghLive.com link

All the "potential injury" reports are also coming out while waiting for the swelling to come down, and are more alarmist than informative at this point. I'm looking forward to more "real" information.

 

[Boltman]

In addition, sources said the Browns believe Winslow may have suffered a punctured lung and an injury to his kidney, but neither of those injuries has the team overly concerned. Its hard to believe that after several days a professional football team is not sure wethor or not one of it's players has a punctured lung and kidney injury. I am not a doctor, but I though it was pretty easy to tell if you have a punctured lung.

 

[Colin Dowling]

There are some other unconfirmed sources being floated saying that the injuries are more serious then originally reported.

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Colin

The Joe just sent out an email with what FootballGuys has on the situation.

Colin

 

[cstu]

There are some other unconfirmed sources being floated saying that the injuries are more serious then originally reported.

There are a lot of unconfirmed reports of various things about this incident. I read several that said Winslow was driving the motorcycle without a permit. It turns out he had obtained a learners permit for it. Cleveland Plain Dealer link

I think the reports of the language contained in his contract are questionable, also. Not necessarily wrong, but not necessarily right either. I understand that contracts vary from team to tem, player to player, but Ben Roethlisberger's contract does not prohibit him from riding his motorcycle according to his agent.

PittsburghLive.com link

All the "potential injury" reports are also coming out while waiting for the swelling to come down, and are more alarmist than informative at this point. I'm looking forward to more "real" information.

It's all speculation right now - he hasn't had an MRI yet - but the swelling in his knee is a good sign that something is wrong with at least one of his ligaments. Damaging ligaments isn't that difficult when your body gets thrown around. I never thought that the way Tyrone Calico landed last year would have damaged both knees, but it cost him the season.

 

[Mario Kart]

If this is all true then where does this place Winslow on the "All Busts List" for 1st round draft picks?

 

[cstu]

If this is all true then where does this place Winslow on the "All Busts List" for 1st round draft picks?

I've been thinking about this as well and think it might put him over the top above Leaf.

 

[Boone22]

There are some other unconfirmed sources being floated saying that the injuries are more serious then originally reported. 

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Colin

The Joe just sent out an email with what FootballGuys has on the situation.

Colin

Did you just yourself and refer to Joe as "The Joe"?

 

[gman8343]

There are some other unconfirmed sources being floated saying that the injuries are more serious then originally reported. 

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Colin

The Joe just sent out an email with what FootballGuys has on the situation.

Colin

Did you just yourself and refer to Joe as "The Joe"?

 

[Colin Dowling]

There are some other unconfirmed sources being floated saying that the injuries are more serious then originally reported. 

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Colin

The Joe just sent out an email with what FootballGuys has on the situation.

Colin

Did you just yourself and refer to Joe as "The Joe"?

[hijack]Yes. My friendly moniker for David Shick is "!" and for Joe Bryant is "The Joe". It all about respect, my friends.

And the self-"goodposting" is a trick my friend Fullback Fro taught me.

[/hijack]

Colin

 

[reg]

In addition, sources said the Browns believe Winslow may have suffered a punctured lung and an injury to his kidney, but neither of those injuries has the team overly concerned.

Its hard to believe that after several days a professional football team is not sure wethor or not one of it's players has a punctured lung and kidney injury. I am not a doctor, but I though it was pretty easy to tell if you have a punctured lung.

I'm no doctor, but a punctured lung sounds a bit serious to me.

 

[stbugs]

I agree with what has been stated that the Browns, assuming the injuries are as bad as being reported in some cases, will find neutral ground and split the difference on this one.

I really doubt it. Randy Lerner still paid Butchie all his money after he resigned; Lerner didn't owe him a dime. My guess is the Browns will not seek repayment of any money, nor will they withhold any future earnings.

I won't speculate as to what will hapen IF (if) Winslow has frittered away his career. But do note that if they get the money back from him they get actual cap relief, which would definitely help the team out. Paying Butch off has no cap implications.

Not only does it not have cap implications, Davis may have resigned after reaching an agreement to still get paid. I don't know if this is a fact, but why would Davis just resign knowing he was about to get canned and thus still get paid? In a lot of cases, people will resign to make it a clean break and have a back door agreement that they get the payout as if they were fired. Coaches contracts are guaranteed if they get fired, they are not like players contracts which are voided when they get release.

 

[culdeus]

If this is all true then where does this place Winslow on the "All Busts List" for 1st round draft picks?

I've been thinking about this as well and think it might put him over the top above Leaf.

I dunno, I just don't see it. The guy broke his leg after 5 ok games. Hypothetically if he had a full season and then did this would it be the same? It wasn't like he broke his leg whipping Garcia in the ### with a wet towel last year.

 

[Spike]

If this is all true then where does this place Winslow on the "All Busts List" for 1st round draft picks?

I've been thinking about this as well and think it might put him over the top above Leaf.

I dunno, I just don't see it. The guy broke his leg after 5 ok games. Hypothetically if he had a full season and then did this would it be the same? It wasn't like he broke his leg whipping Garcia in the ### with a wet towel last year.

It was after 2 games.

 

[reg]

If this is all true then where does this place Winslow on the "All Busts List" for 1st round draft picks?

I've been thinking about this as well and think it might put him over the top above Leaf.

I dunno, I just don't see it. The guy broke his leg after 5 ok games. Hypothetically if he had a full season and then did this would it be the same? It wasn't like he broke his leg whipping Garcia in the ### with a wet towel last year.

It was after 2 games.

He meant 5 catches.

 

[cstu]

If this is all true then where does this place Winslow on the "All Busts List" for 1st round draft picks?

I've been thinking about this as well and think it might put him over the top above Leaf.

I dunno, I just don't see it. The guy broke his leg after 5 ok games. Hypothetically if he had a full season and then did this would it be the same? It wasn't like he broke his leg whipping Garcia in the ### with a wet towel last year.

It was two games and he has 5 catches for 50 yards. If his career ends because of a motorcycle accident he had while he was recovering from another injury, then his career has reached Ryan Leaf joke status. Add in his cockiness and preseason holdout and you have the icon for wasted talent.

 

[Loomba]

This sounds bad. Face it. He's likely done for this season. I would be worried about 2006 and beyond too.Even if he makes it back at some point, I doubt he'll ever be as good as he could have been.All imho.

 

[Wyld Stallyns]

This sounds bad. Face it. He's likely done for this season. I would be worried about 2006 and beyond too.

Even if he makes it back at some point, I doubt he'll ever be as good as he could have been.

All imho.

I tend to agree... seems to me that it'd be in Cleveland's best interest to recoup as much money and cap room as they can and then cut-bait on the guy.

 

[Mario Kart]

Here is another question regarding Winslow. Where are his agents in all of this? Have they made any kind of statement or are they all coming from the Browns themselves? Where is his dad as well? I think the Postons (sp) are in a bind and they are losing money with every new development on Winslow's career outlook. I wont say it is Karma coming back to bite them in the ### but a part of me wants to believe that the way you treat people does come back at you at some time. This could be that time.

 

[fatness]

His agents are scheduled to be in Cleveland today.Link

Agents Kevin and Carl Poston, who represented Winslow in contract talks with the team, were scheduled to arrive in Cleveland today to visit with Winslow and possibly team officials, according to a woman who answered the telephone at Carl Poston's office in Houston.

 

[nittanylion]

Here is another question regarding Winslow. Where are his agents in all of this? Have they made any kind of statement or are they all coming from the Browns themselves? Where is his dad as well? I think the Postons (sp) are in a bind and they are losing money with every new development on Winslow's career outlook.

I wont say it is Karma coming back to bite them in the ### but a part of me wants to believe that the way you treat people does come back at you at some time. This could be that time.

Oh, go ahead and say it, PKev. You know you want to... Good Hell, I'll say it then: Karma is real, Karma is a B*tch, and she always takes care of her business. While I wish nothing but the best for KW and his recovery, and sure would like to see him develop into an NFL player worthy of the Winslow pedigree, well, you reap what you freakin' sow.

I pray for his speedy recovery, and that in the time he's laid up, he reflects deeply on where he's been, where he is, and where he hopes to be, and returns to the playing field a humbler man, playing with purpose, and driven to excell like his father before him.

TONE IT DOWN, KELLEN, BEFORE YOU SQUANDER AWAY YOUR GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY.

Your's Truly,

The Voice of Reason

 

[joffer]

His agents are scheduled to be in Cleveland today.

Link

Agents Kevin and Carl Poston, who represented Winslow in contract talks with the team, were scheduled to arrive in Cleveland today to visit with Winslow and possibly team officials, according to a woman who answered the telephone at Carl Poston's office in Houston.

I smell another Bangahahahahahaha cartoon

 

[Cunning Linguist]

He is entering Ryan Leaf territory.

I'll say it again.

 

[Mario Kart]

He is entering Ryan Leaf territory.

I'll say it again.

Ryan Leaf >> Kellen Winslow Jr.

 

[diesel7982]

He is entering Ryan Leaf territory.

I'll say it again.

Ryan Leaf >> Kellen Winslow Jr.

Ryan Leaf accomplished more and created less problems in his first 15 months than Kellen has.

 

[Jason Wood]

If Winslow's career is permanently derailed from this, he's definitely up there for biggest busts of all time. Absolutely. It's one thing to be a high pick and then not pan out because of a football related injury (e.g., Ki-Jana Carter, Tim Biakabatuka) but it's another thing entirely to get hurt doing something so unbelievably stupid and outright forbidden; he doesn't get a pass for that.

 

[Kleck.]

His agents are scheduled to be in Cleveland today.

Link

Agents Kevin and Carl Poston, who represented Winslow in contract talks with the team, were scheduled to arrive in Cleveland today to visit with Winslow and possibly team officials, according to a woman who answered the telephone at Carl Poston's office in Houston.

I smell another Bangahahahahahaha cartoon

We can only hope! "Soldier"

"The Chosen One"

ROAD WARRIOR!!!

 

[CalBear]

If Winslow's career is permanently derailed from this, he's definitely up there for biggest busts of all time. Absolutely. It's one thing to be a high pick and then not pan out because of a football related injury (e.g., Ki-Jana Carter, Tim Biakabatuka) but it's another thing entirely to get hurt doing something so unbelievably stupid and outright forbidden; he doesn't get a pass for that.

It's not only that he was a high pick; it's that he was a high pick as a tight end; the #6 overall pick, the highest a TE has been selected since 1972.

 

[ConstruxBoy]

If Winslow's career is permanently derailed from this, he's definitely up there for biggest busts of all time. Absolutely. It's one thing to be a high pick and then not pan out because of a football related injury (e.g., Ki-Jana Carter, Tim Biakabatuka) but it's another thing entirely to get hurt doing something so unbelievably stupid and outright forbidden; he doesn't get a pass for that.

It sure is nice to see someone acknowledge that Carter was actually hurt as a Bust and didn't just suck.

 

[MSULions]

from the tone of the accounts I would be seriously worried were I a Brown fan. Left in an ambulance, and injuries are not "life-threatening" - not exactly "nothing serious." I'd bet he at least has some broken bones, at worst, is now done forever in the NFL.

As a Lions fan, all I can say is, thanks for the draft picks Cleveland!

Earth to Lions fan: your team is as bad as my team.