Max Power
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We're ignoring the mandates for the post office. But I understand people want to pick and choose.Does a shortage of nurses excuse ignoring procedure/requirements for being a nurse? I wouldn't think it would.
We're ignoring the mandates for the post office. But I understand people want to pick and choose.Does a shortage of nurses excuse ignoring procedure/requirements for being a nurse? I wouldn't think it would.
Lots of us got vaccinated specifically because doing so gave us the freedom to go back to our normal lives.Vaccine status and freedom lovers probably has a very strong overlap on a venn diagram. If only they could just hurry up their process of all moving to wyoming or idaho or where ever it is. The sooner that is done, the better
Lots of us got vaccinated specifically because doing so gave us the freedom to go back to our normal lives.
dkp993 said:As someone who has fired hundreds of people in my working career this was handled very poorly. I’ve never once fired somebody without termination paperwork, and why they are evasive with the termination/fired aspect is strange. What’s even more strange is they talked to HR the prior day. So how any ambiguity is going on and why they won’t clarify it is very strange and makes me wonder if they aren’t confident in their legal standings to let her/them go.
Now as far as the drama is concerned I’ve been involved in far worse firings, so that’s pretty minimal. But IMO, vaccine mandate aside, this is poor management and leadership and would be a training video for me in how not to terminate someone.
Maybe I need to go back and rewatch, but I recall the guy unambiguously saying “You’re terminated.” People in the corporate environment don’t generally use the words “you’re fired.”dkp993 said:It feels to me like they are trying to leverage a them “quitting” via their decision angle to protect against future lawsuits. Basically they are trying to skirt future liability for to the decision to let them go. It’s the only reason I can think for them being evasive and vague.
Then why is there a staffing shortage if its not a significant number?
You can discuss the topic (and your thoughts on it) or make it personal. Your choice.tonydead said:Hey everyone, get vaccinated or moops wont be your friend!
Moops thoughts on it was that he's not going to be friends with anyone. HTH.You can discuss the topic (and your thoughts on it) or make it personal. Your choice.
So you choose personal. Noted.Moops thoughts on it was that he's not going to be friends with anyone. HTH.
No. He made his personal friends choice part of the discussion. People actually not wanting to associate with people that are not vaccinated. That's germane to the discussion and I wasn't the one that brought it to the table. Nice try tho.So you choose personal. Noted.
Yet you were the one making a joke about him specifically - my comment above was what you said exactly when someone made a joke at your expense. Nice try though…No. He made his personal friends choice part of the discussion. People actually not wanting to associate with people that are not vaccinated. That's germane to the discussion and I wasn't the one that brought it to the table. Nice try tho.
They did this in the Houston area at one of the first hospital systems to require vaccine mandates. An insufficient number of employees walked out to make a difference.heck yes - power of the people is what Democrats love right? Occupy Wallstreet, Trump election nationwide rallies, BLM protests (aka riots), Defund Police ............ Democrats should be all in favor of walkouts to get what the workers want
You don't see the difference huh?Yet you were the one making a joke about him specifically - my comment above was what you said exactly when someone made a joke at your expense. Nice try though…
Not what I said. If she was complaining about being fired for not wearing proper clothing, or whatever else, and she acted this same way and filmed it, I would have the same responseNo. He made his personal friends choice part of the discussion. People actually not wanting to associate with people that are not vaccinated. That's germane to the discussion and I wasn't the one that brought it to the table. Nice try tho.
So you're letting your neighbors come over and play with your kids again then?Not what I said. If she was complaining about being fired for not wearing proper clothing, or whatever else, and she acted this same way and filmed it, I would have the same response
AAABatteries said:No real thoughts on the content of the video but why does everyone feel the need to video their life?
WTF are you talking about?So you're letting your neighbors come over and play with your kids again then?
You sure seem to like these false equivalencies.Stealthycat said:wish they'd do that with abortion
get an abortion - get fired/terminated
just a rule/requirement for employment that people cannot get abortions- its in the health interests of everyone and a civic duty
You were mad at your neighbors for not letting you know they had covid symptoms. Maybe that was Karma Police. I get you two confused. Apologies if I did.WTF are you talking about?
It was KP. And either way, it has nothing to do with me finding that woman irritableYou were mad at your neighbors for not letting you know they had covid symptoms. Maybe that was Karma Police. I get you two confused. Apologies if I did.
You sure seem to like these false equivalencies.
No one says HCW are villains. they are still heros - always have been, always will be. Anti-vaxxers are the villains, even if they are health care workers.Snotbubbles said:These healthcare workers risked their lives in 2020 treating patients with COVID without being vaccinated. Now in 2021, they are considered a threat to the population they are treating and being fired for not being vaccinated. As a spouse of an emergency room nurse who put her life at risk and the lives of every member of our household at risk every time she went to work, firing someone for this is unconscionable. What is really a shame is that hospitals are so understaffed they are offering $20,000+ sign-on bonuses but not offering retention bonuses. File healthcare workers under police officers. Hero's one day, villains the next. What a thankless job.
You are correct and I’ve never said that either but his follow up and unwillingness to clear up her “am I fired” stance reeks of fear of taking a stance. The appropriate response to put closure and stop her “am I being fired?” questions is something along the lines of…..Maybe I need to go back and rewatch, but I recall the guy unambiguously saying “You’re terminated.” People in the corporate environment don’t generally use the words “you’re fired.”
Agreed 100%. Over talking in these situations will almost always end poorly. But that does not allow for lack of clarity. You must be able to do both.I agree - this person probably was nervous and inexperienced. Some managers feel they have to explain things, establish right/wrong, or that the termination is "for cause" - maybe for unemployment coverage reasons. None of that should matter. The less said the better, no reason to explain your decision.
look - just do what Fed Govt tells you to, don't question it, don't create a fuss, just do it
Indeed. Would Jesus want you to do what's best for the health of your fellow man?Jesus Christ
“I don’t know. You tell me. Folks are supposed to have common sense. But it’s time to start blaming the unvaccinated folks, not the regular folks. It’s the unvaccinated folks that are letting us down.” - Kay Ivey, Alabama Gov. (R)Jesus ChristAnti-vaxxers are the villains
Jesus ChristAnti-vaxxers are the villains
Having come from a corporate background and seen a lot of terminations I can't believe they didn't have that.moleculo said:I would agree that it's a fair request for her to have her termination in writing. HR should have had that letter generated already.
If I had to guess, and this is pure speculation, I'd say they've had a policy in the past for terminated employees to get some form of severance based upon years of service. That's a pretty common thing. I would guess in this instance they are trying to say that the employees chose this course therefore they aren't entitled to that severance. Could be totally off base but it sure felt like he was trying to avoid certain words.dkp993 said:It feels to me like they are trying to leverage a them “quitting” via their decision angle to protect against future lawsuits. Basically they are trying to skirt future liability for to the decision to let them go. It’s the only reason I can think for them being evasive and vague.
I hope not.If every single eligible person were vaccinated, our lives would be back to 99% of normal. Agree?
Yep. Completely agree. They are obviously trying to walk a line of accountability without responsibility, that’s the definition of poor leadership and management.If I had to guess, and this is pure speculation, I'd say they've had a policy in the past for terminated employees to get some form of severance based upon years of service. That's a pretty common thing. I would guess in this instance they are trying to say that the employees chose this course therefore they aren't entitled to that severance. Could be totally off base but it sure felt like he was trying to avoid certain words.
You hope not what? I don't get your response hereI hope not.If every single eligible person were vaccinated, our lives would be back to 99% of normal. Agree?
I stand by that.Jesus Christ
Except for those who got elephantiasis of the nuts.
If every single eligible person were vaccinated, our lives would be back to 99% of normal. Agree?
its a possibility of the future
look - just do what Fed Govt tells you to, don't question it, don't create a fuss, just do it
thats our new society - when Republican's lead the Govt again, just remember
Did she have Covid already and this natural immunity? That kind of seems like an important missing piece here. If she doesn’t have natural immunity then I have no problem with her being fired, though as others have mentioned they handled it very poorly.
Nobody’s arguing they don’t have a right to fire her. The question is whether it’s dumb or not. A recent study out of Israel shows that natural immunity is equal to if not better than vaccinated immunity. Aren’t we supposed to follow the science?Why does this matter or why should it? Its a private health care company. They set a policy which the employee violated. She's termed - that's all.
the moops said:Is your wife vaccinated?
No one says HCW are villains. they are still heros - always have been, always will be. Anti-vaxxers are the villains, even if they are health care workers.
Why does this matter or why should it? Its a private health care company. They set a policy which the employee violated. She's termed - that's all.
Nobody’s arguing they don’t have a right to fire her. The question is whether it’s dumb or not. A recent study out of Israel shows that natural immunity is equal to if not better than vaccinated immunity. Aren’t we supposed to follow the science?Why does this matter or why should it? Its a private health care company. They set a policy which the employee violated. She's termed - that's all.
I am unfamiliar with the Israeli study, but if true, then yes, natural immunity should be a substitute for the vaccine.Nobody’s arguing they don’t have a right to fire her. The question is whether it’s dumb or not. A recent study out of Israel shows that natural immunity is equal to if not better than vaccinated immunity. Aren’t we supposed to follow the science?
Schools receive federal and state funding yet the vaccine requirements for children to attend those schools is settled lawThe hospitals receive federal funding. My wife's hospital also is the largest Medicaid hospital in the City so they receive a ton of State funding as well.
Cool.Is that really the question here? Whether the company's policy is "dumb or not." If so, I'd say its a dumb and pointless discussion.
Schools receive federal and state funding yet the vaccine requirements for children to attend those schools is settled law
To be fair it sounds like you are being very political here. I don’t have a dog in this fight. Whole lotta stupid on both sides. Forcing someone to get vaccinated who has already had Covid and developed natural immunity that at least one study concludes is stronger than vaccinated immunity is just as idiotic as the anti-vax crap.I am unfamiliar with the Israeli study, but if true, then yes, natural immunity should be a substitute for the vaccine.
However, it just seems like a natural progression of political talking points at this point. First it was that the vaccine didn't have full FDA approval. Now it has progressed to the natural immunity tact. I am curious if all these people would show proof of antibodies and agree that if the tests came back as low or no immunity if they would the agree to take the vaccine. Somehow I doubt they would agree to that.
We get to 99% through lies, coercion, vilification, and threats. No, I hope none of this "the anti-vax are the villains" nonsense becomes "normal". Count me out of your hellish utopian fevered fantasy.You hope not what? I don't get your response here