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Kyle Rittenhouse Trial: Defense Rests. Resisting the urge to go full HT and just purge this crapshow of a thread. (1 Viewer)

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He met them there where they were singing to him and buying him beers. I’m sure someone will explain this all as some media issue and not Rittenhouse’s issue. 


More of a human being/teenager issue.

The world came down on him and has been calling him a murderer for months.... CLEARLY wrongly so.  A group took him in and made him their hero.  Hard to turn your back when the world is ready to throw you away.

It is shameful that a group like that was able to see through what most of us didn't .... right?

The whole thing is ####ed up... you seem hell bent on making him the bad guy.  Sorry - we know he isn't now.

 
More of a human being/teenager issue.

The world came down on him and has been calling him a murderer for months.... CLEARLY wrongly so.  A group took him in and made him their hero.  Hard to turn your back when the world is ready to throw you away.

It is shameful that a group like that was able to see through what most of us didn't .... right?

The whole thing is ####ed up... you seem hell bent on making him the bad guy.  Sorry - we know he isn't now.
The whole thing is definitely a mess.

The issue for me is someone heading into this situation with a weapon. It’s bizarre to me that this is legal tbh.

Yes, I think he should have responsibility for taking a weapon into this situation that led to someone getting killed. I don’t know how the legal process works in this regard. He is getting a trial, has a good lawyer, so he’ll get what any of us (with the means) would. 

 
I dont understand how anybody can watch any of those videos and think Rittenhouse should have just taken his beating. 


Direct Headline: Why We’ve Decided to Tell You the Criminal Records of the Men Shot in Kenosha

By Jim Piwowarczyk March 12, 2021

https://www.wisconsinrightnow.com/2021/03/12/kenosha-shooting

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Something no one wants to talk about in the majority of the left leaning MSM is the background of the people trying to beat Rittenhouse.

All non relevant external issues about Rittenhouse are quadrupled down in the national daily media cycle and used to portray him as a white supremacist.

But all non relevant external issues (outside the bounds of self defense) about the two men who were shot and lost their lives and the third who was shot and survived is routinely suppressed.

The massive difference between what's actually going on in that court room and how it's being portrayed by the majority of the left leaning complicit activist oriented MSM is terrifying.  What happens when that kind of swarming attack and cascade of lies are used against people who can't raise millions of dollars for their own defense?

 
The whole thing is definitely a mess.

The issue for me is someone heading into this situation with a weapon. It’s bizarre to me that this is legal tbh.

Yes, I think he should have responsibility for taking a weapon into this situation that led to someone getting killed. I don’t know how the legal process works in this regard. He is getting a trial, has a good lawyer, so he’ll get what any of us (with the means) would. 


If you think his lawyers have had an impact on this trial I can only assume you haven't been paying attention.

And again (again, again) I have to ask why people want to single out only one of the armed individuals in this incident for taking a weapon into a situation that led to people getting killed.

Seriously - why do you single out one of them?  And why only the one that used the weapon in self defense?

This is getting ridiculous.

 
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There aren't many of us left but.. no, not every single person.

You bastards on the right come for me just the same when I cut through your side.
I’m not one of them either.  Identity politics is poisonous.   And most of America is infected.  

 
If you think his lawyers have had an impact on this trial I can only assume you haven't been paying attention.

And again (again, again) I have to ask why people want to single out only one of the armed individuals in this incident for taking a weapon into a situation that led to people getting killed.

Seriously - why do you single out one of them?  And why only the one that used the weapon in self defense?

This is getting ridiculous.
I single out Rittenhouse because he's the one who killed someone. Plenty of other people were guilty of crimes as well.

 
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Jan 6 significance >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kenosha Riots.  

This is not something debated in serious circles.  

Yes, riots are bad and often extremely violent.  They have happened throughout history on multiple occasions in many first world nations for many reasons.  

Jan 6?  Hasn’t happened in any first world democracy in any of our lifetimes. 


The last government to exploit an event so badly was Germany in 1939.

 
What people don't know is that Rittenhouse's lawyers are a few locals who really don't have that great if a record.  They had a high-powered team that included some body-language experts, jury-selection experts, and a lawyer with experience winning self-defense cases.  But they were fired two days before the trial started.  Richards has been shown to be a sub par trial lawyer.  Chirafisi has been rather good though.  Kyle had a million dollars for his defense, but isn't getting it.  The fact that Kyle was compelled to testify is an indication of the quality of the defense. 

 
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The whole thing is definitely a mess.

The issue for me is someone heading into this situation with a weapon. It’s bizarre to me that this is legal tbh.

Yes, I think he should have responsibility for taking a weapon into this situation that led to someone getting killed. I don’t know how the legal process works in this regard. He is getting a trial, has a good lawyer, so he’ll get what any of us (with the means) would. 




Direct Headline: Kyle Rittenhouse Gets Trolled By Merriam-Webster Dictionary for Crying in Court

By Tommy Christopher Nov 11th, 2021, 11:44 am

https://www.mediaite.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-gets-trolled-by-merriam-webster-dictionary-for-crying-in-court/

TWEET: Merriam-Webster XX@XXMerriamWebster

The (dictionary) term 'crocodile tears' (a superficial display of anguish) comes from a (long held) medieval belief that crocodiles shed tears of (open) sadness when killing their prey.

11:30 AM · Nov 10, 2021

https://twitter.com/MerriamWebster/status/1458517316077973507

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What's stopping you from investigating yourself to learn more about legal use of force, basic gun laws of the state in question, Voir Dire, what are the elements of the crimes that Rittenhouse are being charged with and previous legal precedent in high profile cases that involve claims of self defense using a firearm? What's stopping you? This is the Internet Age, unparalleled information is at your fingertips. Would you just prefer to make it clear you don't understand the basics around the case then thread bomb everyone by telling them they are wrong about the law you don't understand instead?

And while you are chewing on that issue, point to note that Merriam Webster, during the trial, used social media to discuss the definition of "crocodile tears" to mock Rittenhouse after he cried on the stand.

An established brand that defines words, and how words are defined and used shape how people think, which in term impacts public policy and how our society and legal system function. Do you not see how this kind of partisan cheap shot raises the ugly question about entities that have some public duty to stay apolitical in nature and in functional ethical behavior?

How many people here can raise millions of dollars in a years time to defend one of their own children if the woke cancel culture radical left and the complicit activist MSM and complicit Big Social Media decide someone you love needs to be "purified" , whether the accusations are true or not?

 
I single out Rittenhouse because he's the one who killed someone. Plenty of other people were guilty of crimes as well.


VIDEO: Joy Reid: The Rittenhouse Trial Is Fundamentally About American Vigilantism Nov 11, 2021 MSNBC

The Kyle Rittenhouse murder trial has illuminated details experts say are similar to other cases of armed men who are not members of professional law enforcement, taking violent action to purportedly upload the law. Joy Reid outlines how in America, the vigilantism of predominantly White men has too often been protected by the law. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGDRWEHkEIQ

Direct Headline: YouTube confirms everyone using downvotes is just being a jerk, hides public display

According to the site, this is a method to prevent creators from dealing with large groups of bad-faith actors downvoting a video en masse. There's no doubt smaller, independent makers have faced these issues in the past, but it's impossible to look at the most disliked videos in the website's history and not see this as a way to stifle criticism towards major corporations.

By Will Sattelberg Nov 10, 2021

https://www.androidpolice.com/youtube-confirms-everyone-using-downvotes-is-just-being-a-jerk-hides-public-display/

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Speaking of "singling out Rittenhouse",  activist complicit You Tube decided to cook it's algorithm to make sure many Americans are seeing Joy Reid's video painting KR as a vigilante and a part of a larger growing problem of white American males as vigilantes. And yes, of course, part of the narrative comes back to systematic racism. 

And if you decide that you don't want to see Rittenhouse singled out by complicit activists thinly hiding as "journalists", you soon won't be able to see the downvotes on the videos.

We want to hear what you think! Until we don't like how you think. Then we will remove all ability to share what you really think. Because it means you'll need to be reeducated by forcing upon you what we want to show you to make sure you aren't going to commit the crime of "wrong think". We are doing you a favor. We are saving you from you. Why be burdened with seeing all the information for yourself and coming to your own conclusions? Since we know what's best for you.

 
EVERYTHING is tribal these days.  Every single person in here condemning Rittenhouse would be singing a different tune if KR was a Liberal who defended himself in a sea of Trump supporters.
I mean, he could have stayed home. Why did a teenager go out into the eye of the storm with a gun and ammo? Anyone here honestly naive enough to believe a kid went out to the riots with his rifle to "keep the peace"?

Things played out exactly as he'd hoped, but is now shedding tears in court claiming to be a misunderstood hero. 

 
I mean, he could have stayed home. Why did a teenager go out into the eye of the storm with a gun and ammo? Anyone here honestly naive enough to believe a kid went out to the riots with his rifle to "keep the peace"?

Things played out exactly as he'd hoped, but is now shedding tears in court claiming to be a misunderstood hero. 


Good lord.  This is the most DISGUSTING narrative.  I got seven days off for rightfully accusing many on the left for viewing conservatives as animals.  This is EXACTLY the kind of post I mean.  And this narrative is prevelant in the media and in this forum.  This idea that Kyle went there looking to shoot people is sickening.  There was not one shred of evidence to suggest that, except for the fact he is not one of those good leftist protestors burning down buildings.   Just MAYBE perhaps the real person who was there looking for trouble waa Rosenbaum, you know the guy found guilty on 11 counts of child molesting, for anally raping 5 young boys between the ages 9 and 11.  Just MAYBE it was that SOB who was looking for trouble and he would have found it regardless of if Kyle showed up.

These types of themes are total lies but are very prevelant in leftist media and are by far the most disgusting thing in politics today.   And I am going to point it out everytime I see this cancer which I sincerely believe is the root of the evil which is driving the political discourse into the toilet. 

 
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Good lord.  This is the most DISGUSTING narrative.  I got seven days off for rightfully accusing many on the left for viewing conservatives as animals.  This is EXACTLY the kind of post I mean.  And this narrative is prevelant in the media and in this forum.  This idea that Kyle went there looking to shoot people is sickening.  There was not one shred of evidence to suggest that, except for the fact he is not one of those good leftist protestors burning down buildings.   Just MAYBE perhaps the real person who was there looking for trouble waa Rosenbaum, you know the guy found guilty on 11 counts of child molesting, for anally raping 5 young boys between the ages 9 and 11.  Just MAYBE it was that SOB who was looking for trouble and he would have found it regardless of if Kyle showed up.

These types of themes are total lies but are very prevelant in leftist media and are by far the most disgusting thing in politics today.   And I am going to point it out everytime I see this cancer which I sincerely believe is the root of the evil which is driving the political discourse into the toilet. 
Isnt there is video of him saying "Brah, I wish I had my f—ing AR" days prior to him going there? 

https://nypost.com/2021/08/20/kyle-rittenhouse-dreamed-about-shooting-people-days-before-kenosha-video/

 
Maybe, just maybe, we can all conclude that almost everybody involved that night was acting stupidly/recklessly/irresponsibly and conclude that life actually is oftentimes a gray area and there were no definitive "good guys" and "bad guys" that evening...

Now, I actually do agree with Jon that such a conversation is irrelevant to this trial because this trial is solely about whether the state can prove Rittenhouse committed the crimes alleged and did so without justification beyond a reasonable doubt. So, respectfully, i'm not so sure this overaching, circular debate is the most poignant topic for this thread at the moment. 
FTR, I concluded this back on page 1.   :bowtie:

 
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And the judge ruled that is nothing like what happened here and pointed out the vast difference between someone talking tough about it and actually doing it.  So yeah, it is pathetic bs.  
so your saying he indeed did say "’I'd start shooting rounds at them?" if he had his AK prior to going there?  Then went there with his AK and shot people?  Maybe not be allowed in court but this "disgusting narrative" did not come from nowhere.  It came from Kyle.  :shrug:

 
so your saying he indeed did say "’I'd start shooting rounds at them?" if he had his AK prior to going there?  Then went there with his AK and shot people?  Maybe not be allowed in court but this "disgusting narrative" did not come from nowhere.  It came from Kyle.  :shrug:


Millions of kids play video games.  Only a handful actually act it out. Bottom line, Kyle was being chased and hunted down and ran every chance he could a b d only shot at the very last second.  That is NOT someone looking to shoot people.  The argue.ent is so frigging stupid and bigoted.  

 
Isnt there is video of him saying "Brah, I wish I had my f—ing AR" days prior to him going there? 

https://nypost.com/2021/08/20/kyle-rittenhouse-dreamed-about-shooting-people-days-before-kenosha-video/
There's plenty of video of Rosenbaum hours before he died yelling at anyone and everyone calling them the N word and getting into people's faces. The guy was looking for someone to attack him so his buddy could shoot them. They wanted to kill someone that night. 

 
Millions of kids play video games.  Only a handful actually act it out. Bottom line, Kyle was being chased and hunted down and ran every chance he could a b d only shot at the very last second.  That is NOT someone looking to shoot people.  The argue.ent is so frigging stupid and bigoted.  
Except this wasn’t a video game this was real life.  You can’t dispute that he said he would bring his Ak and shoot people and then he did.  

 
There's plenty of video of Rosenbaum hours before he died yelling at anyone and everyone calling them the N word and getting into people's faces. The guy was looking for someone to attack him so his buddy could shoot them. They wanted to kill someone that night. 
True Rosenbaum  was looking to stir #### up.  Did he say he wanted to kill people?  Using the n word and being loud is very different from saying you want to bring a weapon and shoot people and then doing that exact same thing.  Also Rosenbaum is not on trial here.  

 
Millions of kids play video games.  Only a handful actually act it out. Bottom line, Kyle was being chased and hunted down and ran every chance he could a b d only shot at the very last second.  That is NOT someone looking to shoot people.  The argue.ent is so frigging stupid and bigoted.  
Also how is this bigoted?  🤔

 
True Rosenbaum  was looking to stir #### up.  Did he say he wanted to kill people?  Using the n word and being loud is very different from saying you want to bring a weapon and shoot people and then doing that exact same thing.  Also Rosenbaum is not on trial here.  
Yes. Rosenbaum said "i'll kill you n***" to several people that night. Plenty of video documenting that. This is also what Kyle and several eye witnesses heard him saying as he chased Kyle. 

 
Yes. Rosenbaum said "i'll kill you n***" to several people that night. Plenty of video documenting that. This is also what Kyle and several eye witnesses heard him saying as he chased Kyle. 
And this is why the police decided to let them vent and not engage.  Kyle not being trained and being a kid decided to be arbitrator.  Bad decision.  You would be ok with your child going out there in the manner he did?

let the business owners protect their stuff. If he owned the business different story.  He’s as bad and worse than rioters who drive from out of town to go instigate peaceful protests.  

 
And this is why the police decided to let them vent and not engage.  Kyle not being trained and being a kid decided to be arbitrator.  Bad decision.  You would be ok with your child going out there in the manner he did?

let the business owners protect their stuff. If he owned the business different story.  He’s as bad and worse than rioters who drive from out of town to go instigate peaceful protests.  
The police letting people riot is why random citizens took up arms to protect. Kyle was not the only person there that night armed to protect people and property. 

And again, no he was not an instigator. This narrative made up by the media that Kyle is some rando from far away is the only thing you have left despite it being disproven over and over. The bottom line is Kyle had more right to be there than the rioters. Had they not attacked him, they would not be dead. 

 
Also how is this bigoted?  🤔


BiGOT:  a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

Kyle is hated and is the villian because he is seen as part of this conservative group.  Had he been on the side of the protesters, the hatred projected towards Kyle would not exist.  That is the very definition of being a bigot.  

 
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The whole thing is definitely a mess.

The issue for me is someone heading into this situation with a weapon. It’s bizarre to me that this is legal tbh.

Yes, I think he should have responsibility for taking a weapon into this situation that led to someone getting killed. I don’t know how the legal process works in this regard. He is getting a trial, has a good lawyer, so he’ll get what any of us (with the means) would. 
There are currently no legal restrictions to taking a firearm into "situations" like this. I get your concern for it, but the problem is law abiding citizens have the right to self-defense.... ESPECIALLY in situations where you have armed unhinged felons participating in attempted mob attacks. 

Reminder that Rittenhouse was FAR from the only person armed that night... and testimony has discussed a prior precedent of this unruly crowd attacking people. 
 

I know this is circular and will come back to "well he shouldn't have been there", to which I'll say "nobody should have been there, at least he was putting out fires instead of setting them".... yada yada 

 
There's plenty of video of Rosenbaum hours before he died yelling at anyone and everyone calling them the N word and getting into people's faces. The guy was looking for someone to attack him so his buddy could shoot them. They wanted to kill someone that night. 
It is possible to condemn both actions.  Not all posts have to be KR vs. Rosenbaum.     Not all posts have to be Rittenhouse vs. rioters.     People can think that all the people involved - rioters, Rosenbaum, Rittenhouse share in this, have no business doing what they were doing, and should be punished.  

 
BiGOT:  a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.

Kyle is hated and is the villian because he is seen as part of this conservative group.  Had he been on the side of the protesters, the hatred projected towards Kyle would not exist.  That is the very definition of being a bigot.  
It's possible to not like him because he decided to take a weapon to the riots and ended up shooting a few people.     I care not what his political affiliation is, but like I said earlier, it's probably not hard to infer his leanings (and the leanings of people for and against KR).   Also, it's possible to not like him AND not like the people rioting and destroying property.   

 
True Rosenbaum  was looking to stir #### up.  Did he say he wanted to kill people?  Using the n word and being loud is very different from saying you want to bring a weapon and shoot people and then doing that exact same thing.  Also Rosenbaum is not on trial here.  
Rosenbaum DID bring a weapon. Skateboards are commonly used as weapons and have been classified as deadly weapons in murderer / attempted murder trials in the past. Anyone arguing he didn't intend for it to be a weapon is being kinda silly since he, you know, used it as a weapon. 

He was also a mentally ill convicted child rapist running around telling people he was going to kill them. He was JUST released from the hospital after a suicide attempt. Was this an attempt at "suicide by Kyle"? Who knows. 

The point is it seems the Anti-Rittenhouse crowd continually seems to ignore these defendents we're ALL armed, one also with a gun, had been violent all night, and were ACTIVELY TRYING TO SERIOUSLY HARM OR KILL KYLE when they got shot. 

Kyle isn't innocent of bad decisions, but he's innocent of murder. It's bizzare what tunnel vision some of you have. Literally anything Kyle had done leading up to the event, the rioters had done worse. 

 
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The police letting people riot is why random citizens took up arms to protect. Kyle was not the only person there that night armed to protect people and property. 

And again, no he was not an instigator. This narrative made up by the media that Kyle is some rando from far away is the only thing you have left despite it being disproven over and over. The bottom line is Kyle had more right to be there than the rioters. Had they not attacked him, they would not be dead. 
oh so he lived in that community?  he was  a professional security officer or police officer assigned to that community?  If not why was a person who you agree claimed he wanted to go there after seeing it on tv and shoot people even there?  Just like any rioters, he should not have been there. 

BTW did anyone else shoot someone that evening or was it only Kyle? 

 
It's possible to not like him because he decided to take a weapon to the riots and ended up shooting a few people.     I care not what his political affiliation is, but like I said earlier, it's probably not hard to infer his leanings (and the leanings of people for and against KR).   Also, it's possible to not like him AND not like the people rioting and destroying property.   


Sure, there are lots of types of people. The bigots are the hypocrits who hold the Kyle types to different standards. Saying Kyle went there with the intent to shoot people is blatant bigotry based on the facts. 

 
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We have a lot of dumb people in this country.  Often enflamed with passion for a cause that they have warped in their minds (and others have helped them warp).  The causes aren't necessarily all wrong, but the people in these events are running with the warped versions to the point where they are taking enormous risks that developed minds would not.

This dude was one of them, as were the people killed.

All that means nothing, you have the right in America to believe whatever warped #### you want.  What matters is was the law violated.  I don't know anything but I think he gets off with maybe some smaller infractions.

 
Rosenbaum DID bring a weapon. Skateboards are commonly used as weapons and have been classified as deadly weapons in murderer / attempted murder trials in the past. Anyone arguing he didn't intend for it to be a weapon is being kinda silly since he, you know, used it as a weapon. 

He was also a mentally ill convicted child rapist running around telling people he was going to kill them. He was JUST released from the hospital after a suicide attempt. Was this an attempt at "suicide by Kyle"? Who knows. 

The point is it seems the Anti-Rittenhouse crowd continually seems to ignore these defendents we're ALL armed, one also with a gun, had been violent all night, and were ACTIVELY TRYING TO SERIOUSLY HARM OR KILL KYLE when they got shot. 

Kyle isn't innocent of bad decisions, but he's innocent of murder. It's bizzare what tunnel vision some of you have. Literally anything Kyle had done leading up to the event, the rioters had done worse. 
oh im not ignoring this at all.  Rosenbaum was a mess.  And as ive said before, i agree with what you just said.  He isnt innocent of bad decisions he likely is innocent of murder, though there are other charges that i think he likely is guilty of.  It would be different if he was protecting his business or home with his weopon.  But he wasnt.  He went there with intent and bringing the weapon is going to instigate things whether purposeful or not.  And that goes for everyone who had a weapon.  Ultimately, he should have left this work to the professionals because this is how incidents like his occur.  Just because something happened somewhere does not mean i should go there with my weapon to help out.  That is completely reckless. 

 
We have a lot of dumb people in this country.  Often enflamed with passion for a cause that they have warped in their minds (and others have helped them warp).  The causes aren't necessarily all wrong, but the people in these events are running with the warped versions to the point where they are taking enormous risks that developed minds would not.

This dude was one of them, as were the people killed.

All that means nothing, you have the right in America to believe whatever warped #### you want.  What matters is was the law violated.  I don't know anything but I think he gets off with maybe some smaller infractions.
Agreed.  From what ive seen he shouldnt and wont be convicted of murder.  Smaller infractions he should definitely catch to at least teach him not to do this again.  The folks in this thread touting as a hero, that is what is disgusting. 

 
Sure, there are lots of types of people. The bigots are the hypocrits who hold the Kyle types to different standards. Saying Kyle went there with the intent to shoot people is blatant bigotry based on the facts. 
So are you denying he didn't say that in a video?    I understand 100% that the judge didn't allow it for the trial, but I am not on the jury.   I also understand that doesn't prove 100% his intentions the day of - I get it.    But you and others seem to be pretending that he wasn't dumb enough to be caught saying that. 

 
BTW did anyone else shoot someone that evening or was it only Kyle? 


Did anyone else get ambushed by an armed mob?

Did anyone else get chased by someone who said he was going to kill him?

Did anyone else have a mob chasing them screaming get him?

Did anyone else get kicked in the head?

Did anyone else get hit in the head with a skateboard?

Did anyone else have a gun pointed at their head?

Damn, that Binger argument is so stupid given the facts. 

 
oh im not ignoring this at all.  Rosenbaum was a mess.  And as ive said before, i agree with what you just said.  He isnt innocent of bad decisions he likely is innocent of murder, though there are other charges that i think he likely is guilty of.  It would be different if he was protecting his business or home with his weopon.  But he wasnt.  He went there with intent and bringing the weapon is going to instigate things whether purposeful or not.  And that goes for everyone who had a weapon.  Ultimately, he should have left this work to the professionals because this is how incidents like his occur.  Just because something happened somewhere does not mean i should go there with my weapon to help out.  That is completely reckless. 


His intent was shown by his actions leading up to the shooting.... which was administering aid, putting out fires, etc.

There were Thousands of people committing violent acts that evening and Rittenhouse was not one of them... until an angry mob threatened his life, then chased him down and attempted to seriously harm or kill him with deadly weapons.  
 

If anyone has any evidence of any "intent" from that evening, aside from carrying a firearm for self defense (a constitutionally protected right)... I'm all ears. 

 
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