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Kyle Rittenhouse Trial: Defense Rests. Resisting the urge to go full HT and just purge this crapshow of a thread. (2 Viewers)

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If I may ask…what’s the timeline for the trial itself?  Is there one?  When might the jury start it’s deliberation?

 
Some facts:

FMJ ammo is basic target ammo. If anything it's LESS lethal than hollow point. 

It's common for defense rifles to be stored loaded. Mine stay loaded. 

This is a absolutely bizarre line of questioning. 

 
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What are the possible charges the jury can convict on?  nvm...

The charges

First-degree intentional homicide.

Attempted first-degree intentional homicide.

First-degree reckless homicide.

Reckless endangerment (two counts).

Carrying a firearm illegally as a minor.

 
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John123 said:
Except the defense says he'll request a mistrial with prejudice which, if I understand "with prejudice" correctly, means the judge would be ruling that they can't retry Rittenhouse if he grants that motion.
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Yes, but we are talking Binger.  The guy is a self-absorbed idiot.  

 
jon_mx said:
You said no good reasons.  But Kyle just won the case.  
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Kyle may win the case.  If he does, I don't believe it will have anything to do with him testifying.  I think he had won the case already so the only thing him testifying could do is damage.  If it doesn't great, but there was no reason for him to testify IMO.

 
For the lawyers - is it rare for a Judge to yell at the Prosecution like that?  How out of the ordinary was the Judge’s anger?  Seemed off the charts.

 
I guess I don't see why he wouldn't testify.  Seems pretty clear it was self defense and unless he get s up there and says he went there with the express intant of killing people, he comes off as someone who knows he did what he was permitted by law.  The fat that he comes off as kind of a meek kid probably helps more than it hurts, IMO.

 
ekbeats said:
For the lawyers - is it rare for a Judge to yell at the Prosecution like that?  How out of the ordinary was the Judge’s anger?  Seemed off the charts.
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I read somewhere that he is known as a tough "old-school" jurist and has been yelling at attorneys on both sides since the 80's.  So this is not atypical for him apparently.

 
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I’m glad to see Kyle testify.  He seems like a good kid - and I emphasize kid.  He looks and sounds so young.

Prosecution is horrific.  I do believe they are intentionally trying to sabotage the trial to get a do-over.  Grade A dirtbag.

 
unckeyherb said:
I read somewhere that he is known as a tough "old-school" jurist and has been yelling at attorneys on both sides since the 80's.  So this is not atypical for him apparently.
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I just spoke with a good friend who is a prominent trial attorney here in Georgia (a conservative FWIW) who told me in no uncertain terms that the judge may have yelled but he was 100% flat out wrong for reprimanding the DA. His exact words "if a judge doesn't rule on a motion, it's completely fine for the State to bring up the subject. The Defense can always just object. "Leaning strongly" isn't a ruling. This is basic stuff here that the judge is getting wrong."

 
unckeyherb said:
I guess I don't see why he wouldn't testify.  Seems pretty clear it was self defense and unless he get s up there and says he went there with the express intant of killing people, he comes off as someone who knows he did what he was permitted by law.  The fat that he comes off as kind of a meek kid probably helps more than it hurts, IMO.
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Good post, and I agree.  No way the jury sends this kid to jail.  He comes across as innocent as a fawn.

 
Have t been watching it live but just saw the video of Kyle breaking down. You can't fake that. So to those who say he doesn't show remorse, he clearly does. He feels it every day probably. Even for killing 2 human pieces of garbage that tried to kill him first. That's the kind of kid he is. 

 
Workhorse said:
I just spoke with a good friend who is a prominent trial attorney here in Georgia (a conservative FWIW) who told me in no uncertain terms that the judge may have yelled but he was 100% flat out wrong for reprimanding the DA. His exact words "if a judge doesn't rule on a motion, it's completely fine for the State to bring up the subject. The Defense can always just object. "Leaning strongly" isn't a ruling. This is basic stuff here that the judge is getting wrong."
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I thought his point was not that the subject was brought up, but that it wasn't previewed to the judge prior to re-renegaging the subject.  Like it was a process skipped by the prosecution.  But what the hell do I know.

 
Workhorse said:
I just spoke with a good friend who is a prominent trial attorney here in Georgia (a conservative FWIW) who told me in no uncertain terms that the judge may have yelled but he was 100% flat out wrong for reprimanding the DA. His exact words "if a judge doesn't rule on a motion, it's completely fine for the State to bring up the subject. The Defense can always just object. "Leaning strongly" isn't a ruling. This is basic stuff here that the judge is getting wrong."
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It was my sense that this was the case.  Hopefully the judge didn’t screw things up.

 
Insein said:
Have t been watching it live but just saw the video of Kyle breaking down. You can't fake that. So to those who say he doesn't show remorse, he clearly does. He feels it every day probably. Even for killing 2 human pieces of garbage that tried to kill him first. That's the kind of kid he is. 
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It’s a sad thing people thinking that was fake

 
Insein said:
Have t been watching it live but just saw the video of Kyle breaking down. You can't fake that. So to those who say he doesn't show remorse, he clearly does. He feels it every day probably. Even for killing 2 human pieces of garbage that tried to kill him first. That's the kind of kid he is. 
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Based on the part I saw today, the bold was not proven.

 
HellToupee said:
It’s a sad thing people thinking that was fake
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I’m 85% that guy.  It sure looked like a show.  Again no visible tears despite the sobbing, no wiping of tears, no covering his face.  It was more of a “look at me I’m crying”

have you watched it a second time?

 
Grace Under Pressure said:
Thanks, I'll be here for it. This thread has been great for keeping up with the case. Not to put words in the poster's mouth, but I gathered that he appreciates it more when the thread focuses on the case, and not the tangential politics which can be discussed in other threads.  
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It's not "tangential" politics.  NPR is funded by the public with our tax dollars. They've made it more than clear, and in public, that they have become simply a proxy for zealots to hide under the cover of what used to be NPR's previously held reputation. Under the rule of "street level boss" Joyce Slocum, they decided to make it public and rub everyone's own tax dollars in their own faces.

What is the purpose for NPR to use their social media to infer that Rittenhouse shot a man with his hands up, instead of what has plainly been made clear with those following the trial?

It's to trigger low information voters. There are lots of Americans, unlike many FBG members, who are working jobs where they don't get to sit at a desk and can spend time looking at political discussion or news sources. Maybe they get 5 minutes a night to themselves to look at what's going on in the world, including what's going in the political spectrum. And the only way to make sure you get a feeder system of future low information voters is to cook the educational system, which, BIG SURPRISE, is a current fulcrum point of controversy of what curriculum is being taught. 

The "motive" as to why this is happening and why the spin is happening with it's timing ( basically when the case is falling apart for the prosecution) is completely relevant.

Some of the regular posters here in the PSF, not all but not a small number either, just want silence. They don't want context. They don't want more information posted. They don't want sourcing. They don't want a situation to exist where more data is presented and then allow people to come to their own conclusions.

It's all interrelated. There is a long term strategy being weaponized and the Kyle Rittenhouse case is a lagging indicator of that agenda.

For those of you who want silence, then raise the level of discussion. I just raised the level of discussion around the slanted cooked unethical media narrative around Rittenhouse that seeks to slaughter actual due process. Anyone want to counter what I'm saying here? Why would some people want to do that? When they could just find another angle on a purity test to ensure more people can stay uninformed so it can force some square narrative into a round hole by all means necessary.

Some of you, not all, but far too many, have co-opted "Let's Be Better" into some kind of battering ram to crush dissent. That doesn't make our society a better place. But the question emerges if some of you, not all of course, just plain don't care.

 
I'm just catching up, but I appreciate this being televised b/c the disagreement between the judge and prosecutor is amazing and brings a whole new level of my understanding on what the judge/lawyer relationship is like as wel as the judge's role overall. 

If this is gets to a mistrial, that dialog will be very important but will never be reported on. 

 
unckeyherb said:
I guess I don't see why he wouldn't testify.  Seems pretty clear it was self defense and unless he get s up there and says he went there with the express intant of killing people, he comes off as someone who knows he did what he was permitted by law.  The fat that he comes off as kind of a meek kid probably helps more than it hurts, IMO.
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Have you not read this thread.  There are a good number of people who think he is guilty for being there and others that think he needs punished regardless of the law.  The prejudice out there against him is enormous. 

 
rockaction said:
This is what I found so stunning. As a not long-time observer of the case, I assumed the other people were unarmed. I had no idea there were guns drawn on both sides. 

At that point, I guess parsing "intent," "self-defense," and all those other legalisms and how they're defined comes into play, but to a layman, it sure looks like self-defense. 

I have no dog in this fight. I thought Chauvin was guilty of the ultimate crime and belongs in jail for a long time. I think Rittenhouse is innocent in this one. You can't be running at someone with guns drawn and attacking him with objects and expect him not to defend himself in some way. What is he going to do, let them bash his skull in with a wooden plank (skateboard)? Have you ever seen somebody wielding one of those to hurt somebody, even just in cinema? It's a lethal weapon.
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I'm with you up to this point. 

rockaction said:
This is a bad case for the American left, which seems to have quite a bit invested in it. That's crazy in its own right -- that a citizen-on-citizen dividing line trial happens -- but even crazier given the facts. What on earth are those of us law-abiding citizens supposed to do when a mob threatens property and limb and the police are ordered to stand down? I submit it is a natural right to defend one's self, almost all jurisdictions in America agree, and that's what they're looking to change. That way, the mob has a greater right than you to exist. 

It's bollocks, plain and simple. I hope they lose this case, and badly. No amount of contortions are appropriate here. 
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I think your generalizations here are overbroad.  The left this, leftists that... they are plenty liberals in here who have had an open mind about the case for self defense or have changed their mind based on the facts thus presented (myself included).

It doesn't change my thoughts on the second amendment and the proliferation of guns being a net negative for the United States. 

 
The Dude said:
Insein said:
Have t been watching it live but just saw the video of Kyle breaking down. You can't fake that. So to those who say he doesn't show remorse, he clearly does. He feels it every day probably. Even for killing 2 human pieces of garbage that tried to kill him first. That's the kind of kid he is. 
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Based on the part I saw today, the bold was not proven.
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If he pointed a gun at Kyle (which isn't in doubt, he admitted to it), that's all that needs to be proven to find Kyle innocent (in the context of pointing gun / intent to kill). 

 
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jon_mx said:
Have you not read this thread.  There are a good number of people who think he is guilty for being there and others that think he needs punished regardless of the law.  The prejudice out there against him is enormous. 
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agree, all the more reason to present him as the mild mannered KID that he appears to be.  If everyone wants to make you out to be some militia, white supremecist vigilante the best answer is to just show everyone you are not.  Again, I don't see the decision for him to testify as being a mistake.  So far.  Maybe the prosecutor has some darts to unleash still.

 
The Dude said:
I’m 85% that guy.  It sure looked like a show.  Again no visible tears despite the sobbing, no wiping of tears, no covering his face.  It was more of a “look at me I’m crying”

have you watched it a second time?
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We get it. You think he's guilty. This is only post #247 effectively saying the exact same thing.

 
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