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Lee Suggs sighting (1 Viewer)
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Chaos Commish
Footballguy
This should be fun for the whole family. I hope he does well.
broncofan13000
Footballguy
Anyone biting? He's sitting on the WW in my dynasty league...
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Wow.
If this is true, then Ronnie Brown's value takes a hit.
If this is true, then Ronnie Brown's value takes a hit.
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
I wonder if this is the reporter extrapolating that since Suggs will be the number 2, then naturally he will play the role that Williams played last year. Or...did Saban actually say that Suggs will play every third series.Big difference...I'm thinking about making a play for Suggs in a deep league.
Quote from Saban on Suggs
"I think we will use [suggs] more in a two-back role similar to what we did a year ago," said Saban, referring to the Brown-Ricky Williams tandem that was effective in 2005.
CRH
"I think we will use [suggs] more in a two-back role similar to what we did a year ago," said Saban, referring to the Brown-Ricky Williams tandem that was effective in 2005.
CRH
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
Confirmed:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-spd...la-sports-front
Unlike in the season-opening loss to Pittsburgh, Ronnie Brown won't be the only running back carrying the football against Buffalo.
Saban hinted that Lee Suggs would receive significant playing time serving as Brown's backup. Saban said Suggs is much more prepared to play Sunday after having joined the team off waivers from Cleveland almost two weeks ago.
"I think we will use [suggs] more in a two-back role similar to what we did a year ago," said Saban, referring to the Brown-Ricky Williams tandem that was effective in 2005.
Wow.
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/sfl-spd...la-sports-front
Unlike in the season-opening loss to Pittsburgh, Ronnie Brown won't be the only running back carrying the football against Buffalo.
Saban hinted that Lee Suggs would receive significant playing time serving as Brown's backup. Saban said Suggs is much more prepared to play Sunday after having joined the team off waivers from Cleveland almost two weeks ago.
"I think we will use [suggs] more in a two-back role similar to what we did a year ago," said Saban, referring to the Brown-Ricky Williams tandem that was effective in 2005.
Wow.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
Well that's a pisser.
Hehe Keys, me and you have the same idea posting this article link at around the exact same time....CRH
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
Thanks Raven...I just bought into Suggs on that info in a deep league.
Sure, glad I could help. It should be interesting to see what this does to the Miami backfield.CRH
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
So how much do we cut Ronnie Brown? (assuming this is all legit)
For example, in the league I play with a bunch of guys from this board, Lineup Dominator has him getting 276.1 points for the rest of the year.
I don't think you can cut it the full 2/3rds...but what about 80%?
That brings it down to 220.88, or in that league (a PPR league), moves him all the way down to RB14.
Whoa.
For example, in the league I play with a bunch of guys from this board, Lineup Dominator has him getting 276.1 points for the rest of the year.
I don't think you can cut it the full 2/3rds...but what about 80%?
That brings it down to 220.88, or in that league (a PPR league), moves him all the way down to RB14.
Whoa.
Steve Polychronopolous
Footballguy
I'd say 70-80%, depending on how effective you think Suggs will be.
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
So if 80% is the high side, this is HUGE news for Brown owners.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
It is really hard to say what impact Lee Suggs will have on Ronnie Brown. I don't believe that the team "swapped out" RBs every third series when Ricky was on the team last year, but i DO believe that Ronnie's carries will be reduced.
With the drop in carries, I see an increase in targets - and I am pretty sure Brown will be the fearture back on all the "important" carries. Unless Suggs marches them down to the 1 on his own, I bet Brown gets the bulk of the GL carries.
This aint a "breather back" situation - this is Brown standing on the sidelines for a long period of time while Suggs vultures away carries. What it ALSO means, however, is a lot more two-back sets.
With the drop in carries, I see an increase in targets - and I am pretty sure Brown will be the fearture back on all the "important" carries. Unless Suggs marches them down to the 1 on his own, I bet Brown gets the bulk of the GL carries.
This aint a "breather back" situation - this is Brown standing on the sidelines for a long period of time while Suggs vultures away carries. What it ALSO means, however, is a lot more two-back sets.
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Steve Polychronopolous
Footballguy
I think so. I now that I think about it, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they were splitting 50/50 by the end of the year. But then again, this is coming from someone who's never been real high on Ronnie Brown. 2 Reasons for that:1) Ricky was easily the best running back on the Dolphins last year2) I remember Mike Tice saying Ronnie Brown was the most talented player in last year's draft, which clearly means he's going to suck
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
1 is innacurate.2 is 
50-50?? 
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
It was one writer's opinion that he plays every third - that is not how the team split up the carries with Ricky.That said, I get your joke - yes, Lee Suggs is injury prone.
Marc Levin
Hangs out with Oscar Zeta Acosta
If you own Brown, you should invest.It is what it is said:
TwinTurbo
Footballguy
I wasn't really joking. I think Saban will give him a solid workload early on to see what he's got. And I think he will get hurt as a result. He's a talented RB, but this is the guy that failed a physical for the Jets. Not only is he injury prone, I think he is probably already injured with some condition that will never allow him to be 100%. It may be his rumored narrowing spinal cord, a degenerative knee condition, etc. I don't think Ronnie Brown's fantasy value will take a bit hit.
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Bears_Man2
Footballguy
Even if you don't believe in Lee, I'd pick him up if just because of the Dolphins relatively easy schedule this year if Brown did happen to go down.
THE UNDERCOVER BROTHA
Footballguy
Not sure about that statement. Sure he's injury prone, but he does have a duel threat talent. Why else would 2 other teams want him this offseason, when other serviceable guys where out there to be had. Even Mr.William Green isnt picked up by someone yet, and he was suppose to have alot of talent.Sweetness_34
Footballguy
All along, I have said Ronnie Brown is not worth his ADP. His YPC sucked in the first game, his OL looks average at best, his Qb cannot look beyond Wr #1, and now he has someone taking up every 3rd series of play time.
Traders2001
Footballguy
You simply have no clue.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Exactly. Maybe the Dolphins were able to figure out what the Browns seemed to never understand. Suggs was the most talented RB on that team. If he stays healthy he is a legit NFL RB.
I thought Suggs is supposed to be a great GL back.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
People are forgetting this is Lee Suggs here too. He could hurt himself strapping his helmet on. Or on that dangerous walk (on concrete mind you) to the playing field. Could get hit be the opposing team's mascot. He could run so fast his hamstrings can't keep up with him. It's Lee Suggs here. The guy who couldn't make it on the Browns' roster.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
This isn't an indictment on either back. It's simply the in-vogue tactic for NFL coaches - that is having a two-back system on offense. I hate to say it boys, but this is a trend that could de-value the RB position as a whole. Very distrurbing from a fantasy perspective, but probably makes total sense in preventing injury and lengthening careers. 
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Good posting here. It's true, the NFL is a copy cat league. Remember a few years back when there was 100 catch receivers all over the place? Or when we had 2 2000 yard rushers in a very short amount of time. It's just the way it's going.This isn't an indictment on either back. It's simply the in-vogue tactic for NFL coaches - that is having a two-back system on offense. I hate to say it boys, but this is a trend that could de-value the RB position as a whole. Very distrurbing from a fantasy perspective, but probably makes total sense in preventing injury and lengthening careers.
SteelerMurf
Footballguy
I can't believe nobody has brought this up yet....
Lee Suggs sucks. You don't alternate a sucky RB. and the reporter was just projecting every 3rd series cause that's what he thinks happened last year.
Lee Suggs, cuttiing into RBrowns workload significantly???? Yeah right.
But everyone gets all excited when a backup RB is signed. Sky is falling, Lee Suggs,
sorry can't stop laughing, is now a threat to anyone. Suggs wasn't a threat in Cleveland
Lee Suggs sucks. You don't alternate a sucky RB. and the reporter was just projecting every 3rd series cause that's what he thinks happened last year.
Lee Suggs, cuttiing into RBrowns workload significantly???? Yeah right.
But everyone gets all excited when a backup RB is signed. Sky is falling, Lee Suggs,
sorry can't stop laughing, is now a threat to anyone. Suggs wasn't a threat in Cleveland
amnesiac
beer is good
go Suggs!
but let's clear something up:
1. Suggs is very talented. for some reason, there's a lot of "Suggs sucks" in this thread.
2. he is very injury prone. this is the main reason he hasn't had a lot of sucess in this league.
i agree with picking him up to backup Brown if you have a slot.
i disagree that he will significantly cut into Brown's #s. i don't think you pick up a guy off of waivers and give him a heavy # of carries.
but let's clear something up:
1. Suggs is very talented. for some reason, there's a lot of "Suggs sucks" in this thread.
2. he is very injury prone. this is the main reason he hasn't had a lot of sucess in this league.
i agree with picking him up to backup Brown if you have a slot.
i disagree that he will significantly cut into Brown's #s. i don't think you pick up a guy off of waivers and give him a heavy # of carries.
zamboni
Footballguy
I think we need to see how this shakes out. While it appears as though Suggs stands to get some meaningful carries, I also wouldn't be surprised to see him with 5 by the end of the game. Game planning now and when the team is in the flow of the game can obviously be a lot different.
All that said, I think it's worth stashing Suggs away since you never know. Particularly if Brown goes down - Minor isn't much of a threat.
All that said, I think it's worth stashing Suggs away since you never know. Particularly if Brown goes down - Minor isn't much of a threat.
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Sheriff66
Footballguy
Don't be mistaken, Suggs has talent, he's just hurt all the time. I don't like this for Brown...I can't believe nobody has brought this up yet....Lee Suggs sucks. You don't alternate a sucky RB. and the reporter was just projecting every 3rd series cause that's what he thinks happened last year.Lee Suggs, cuttiing into RBrowns workload significantly???? Yeah right.But everyone gets all excited when a backup RB is signed. Sky is falling, Lee Suggs,
wner: 
Im not sure I undertand what everyone is concerned about here:
1. In the preseason the biggest knock on Brown is that he wouldnt last the whole season. If Suggs proves to be worth something, Brown now he has a backup that will spell him at times. Brown may lose a few points per game but he has a much better chance of being upright at the end of the season.
2. As a few have said already, Lee Suggs just hasnt proved himslef as being much good. He couldnt beat out W. Green in Cleveland and he wasnt even good enough to be 50-50 with Droughns last year. Why would anyone think that he will now threaten Brown's status as THE guy?
Brown will get a breather every now and then. He may even miss a seriese ever now and then. So what? FF is a marathon of 16-17 games, not a sprint of 2-3. Over the course of the season this could even be good for him.
1. In the preseason the biggest knock on Brown is that he wouldnt last the whole season. If Suggs proves to be worth something, Brown now he has a backup that will spell him at times. Brown may lose a few points per game but he has a much better chance of being upright at the end of the season.
2. As a few have said already, Lee Suggs just hasnt proved himslef as being much good. He couldnt beat out W. Green in Cleveland and he wasnt even good enough to be 50-50 with Droughns last year. Why would anyone think that he will now threaten Brown's status as THE guy?
Brown will get a breather every now and then. He may even miss a seriese ever now and then. So what? FF is a marathon of 16-17 games, not a sprint of 2-3. Over the course of the season this could even be good for him.
I'm a Ronnie Brown owner, and while this isnt great news, I'm not too worried. All RBs get spelled from time to time - look at LT - Turner is getting 30+of the carries. Might even be a good thing to keep Brown fresh and healthy throughout the season. I cant see it being a 50/50 split, at the most probably a 70/30 split.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I own Brown in a couple dynasty leagues & we (FFers) better get used to the RBBC thing (some form of it, anyway). More & more teams are using this approach.
That said, these "mini-RBBCs" (like Tiki/Jacobs) aren't a huge concern, but there's absolutely no doubt it hurts the feature back's value some (to varying degrees, depending on how many touches the other RB(s) gets). What can we do? Adapt & overcome.
The advent of this trend changes some things (strategy). The NFL is fluid & as FF players, we must keep up if we're to have longterm success.
That said, these "mini-RBBCs" (like Tiki/Jacobs) aren't a huge concern, but there's absolutely no doubt it hurts the feature back's value some (to varying degrees, depending on how many touches the other RB(s) gets). What can we do? Adapt & overcome.
The advent of this trend changes some things (strategy). The NFL is fluid & as FF players, we must keep up if we're to have longterm success.
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Spare me. Don't you think Pittsburgh had anything to do with that?All along, I have said Ronnie Brown is not worth his ADP. His YPC sucked in the first game, his OL looks average at best, his Qb cannot look beyond Wr #1, and now he has someone taking up every 3rd series of play time.
WarRedbirds
Footballguy
Yes, they did.But so did the Miami offensive line.Spare me. Don't you think Pittsburgh had anything to do with that?All along, I have said Ronnie Brown is not worth his ADP. His YPC sucked in the first game, his OL looks average at best, his Qb cannot look beyond Wr #1, and now he has someone taking up every 3rd series of play time.
This makes me wonder if Saban thinks Brown can't handle the full load. I realize last week was extreme in him getting every carry but it still makes me wonder.
It seems like a waste of time to establish a role for a guy that will be hurt 2-3 weeks later but so was signing him so...we'll see.
It seems like a waste of time to establish a role for a guy that will be hurt 2-3 weeks later but so was signing him so...we'll see.
el-gato-grande
Footballguy
One other possibility is Saban could have enrolled in the "Shanahan School of Media Misdirection" and is now laying down a smoke screen for the opposition. I can picture the Bills coaching staff scrambling for the nearly non-existent game tapes of Suggs running with the football...
"Check that tape. No, he's on the sidelines in that one too. Dammit!"
"Check that tape. No, he's on the sidelines in that one too. Dammit!"
ATC1
Footballguy
As a advid LSU fan I will tell you guys that it really doesn't matter how talented a RB is Saban is used to running a RBBC. Now you might say he is a defensive guy, but if you think he has no say on what happens on offense you are sadly mistaken.
While at LSU Saban split the carries with D. Davis and L. Toefield. J. Vincent and J. Addai with S. Carey getting some touches. Then in his last year A. Brousarrd got a big work load with Addai and J. Vincent. It also doesn't matter the importance of the game what Quater, or situation. He would rotate these guys.
While at LSU Saban split the carries with D. Davis and L. Toefield. J. Vincent and J. Addai with S. Carey getting some touches. Then in his last year A. Brousarrd got a big work load with Addai and J. Vincent. It also doesn't matter the importance of the game what Quater, or situation. He would rotate these guys.
laughinboy_2000
Footballguy
I don't know how much people need to be reading into this. Brown fought hard and looked good against Pitts. Suggs has not shown me anything on the field in 3 years. The Brownies let him go for a reason. Depeding on how Suggs looks, he may not see as much time on the field as Saban wants.
Yes, I'm a Ronnie Brown owner. Maybe I'm in denial, but I refuse to waste a waiver wire pick on Suggs!!
Yes, I'm a Ronnie Brown owner. Maybe I'm in denial, but I refuse to waste a waiver wire pick on Suggs!!
Nigel Tufnel
Footballguy
Some people in here need to recognize that Suggs has shown Saban something even though you think he sucks.
Sheriff66
Footballguy
:( 
Anonymous Internet User
Footballguy
how can a guy go from not passing a physical, to getting cut from the BROWNS, to becoming a featured starter on a playoff-contending team??
Keys Myaths
Pokerguy
chocolate bomber
Footballguy
He can't. When I see him "featured" every three series, I'll believe it.
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