Lee Suggs sighting (1 Viewer)

[Marc Levin]

You must have - I really did not see any "hot hand" going on - I saw Saban feeding his stud (his stud at that time was Ricky).

 

[joffer]

don't own Brown anywhere, but if i did, this wouldn't really worry me that much.

if anything, it could help keep Brown healthy

 

[Sheriff66]

So why didnt all the Ronnie Brown "experts" here predict this a month ago. It was totally quiet after the PITT game. If R.Brown is so overrated, just prove why -- rather than reacting to coach statements and not an actual game. Is Suggs really going to detract from Brown if Brown is starting? He will be catching passes, chewing up yardage scoring TDs and helping Miami win games. If suggs gets carries Brown is resting and not getting over used adn worn down

If Suggs really has the potential to make Ronnie average such as Ricky Williams...

a) Why has Suggs never been able to stay healthy for 3 weeks consecutively

Point taken, that's his knock

b). Why did the JETS (with 3 of the worst RBs in the league) reject him

Barlow is a better back with less health issues

c) Why was he outright cut by the Browns in favor of unproven scat backs

Can't make the club from the tub, plus Crennell didn't draft him

d) Why is he paid close to the league minimum salary today?

Health issues, not for lack of talent:ronniebrownowner:

Well, those health issues haven't magically gone away because he changed zip codes. Saban will find that out soon enough.

:fingerscrossed:I don't think he will kill Ronnie Brown if Suggs stays healthy, but he will eat into his #s enough make a difference between a true stud #1 and a back that is at the top of the second teir...not a huge hit.

 

[There it is]

don't own Brown anywhere, but if i did, this wouldn't really worry me that much. if anything, it could help keep Brown healthy

Thank you.

 

[packersfan]

Lets clarify one more thing: Ricky Williams' role changed from game to game. If he was hot, then Saban would keep him in the game. If Ronnie was playing well, then he would stay in the game.

Not true, Native (and as a phin fan, you should know better than to try and slip that one in there) - from week 10 forward, Ricky's role steadily increased while Browns' steadily decreased. Ricky was in there on all the "important" carries from weeks 12 - 17.IMO, Saban will use his RB2 to keep his RB1 running fresh - and, at some point, will turn the reins over to his stud. I see Brown as a fantasy stud from weeks 8 forward, thought he WILL be spelled often by the RB2.

Dont know, Marc. Maybe I saw things differently. I agree that Ricky's role increased as the season progressed, but thats BECAUSE he often outplayed Ronnie during those games. Thats what I was trying to get at. If Lee Suggs comes in for 1 or 2 series early on and looks good in a pariticular game, I wouldnt be surprised if Nick gives him an increased workload for the remainder of that game.

The primary difference here is Ricky Williams was an established NFL starting RB - and a proven elite starter. His talent level is much higher than Suggs' (and arguably was higher than Brown's last season as well). Saban had a situation where he had two starting-caliber RBs and he had to figure out a way to utilize them both. Initially, it was splitting the carries but as the season progressed it became clear Williams was the superior RB and he became the featured RB to close out the season.I do not see a repeat of that happening here. While I do believe Suggs has quality talent he isn't by any stretch a proven starter so Saban will not be put into a situation where he has to get carries for both guys equally in order to take advantage of the talent at his disposal. I think this is a case where Saban may realize Brown has never been the full-time starter before and having a reduction in workload could be a very strong way to keep him healthy for the entire season. If Suggs can stay healthy (HUGE "if" there obviously) he could provide that backup presence and also provide a talented option in the running game when Brown is out. I'm not a Brown owner but if I was I wouldn't be overly concerned about this development. I wouldn't view this as Ricky Williams Redux but rather as a positive since having Suggs take 5-10 carries a game or so could enhance Brown's chances to remain healthy for the entire season. I've said many times that a good backup isn't something to necessarily fear for the starter but rather something that can prove to be extremely beneficial if it enables the starter to not have to absorb as much punishment as he would have if he was the only viable option for a team to use at the RB position.

 

[Marc Levin]

packersfan -

 

[Liquid Tension]

All along, I have said Ronnie Brown is not worth his ADP. His YPC sucked in the first game, his OL looks average at best, his Qb cannot look beyond Wr #1, and now he has someone taking up every 3rd series of play time.

Very shortsighted sweetness. The line is a work in progress with Hudson Houck (one of the best) modling them and the first game was on the raod against Pitt. Even with NO blocking you could see the talent Brown has. He pushed the pile forward almost every carry. I think Saban will ride Brown when he needs to win. It is OK if Suggs get some of the carries, but Brown will be in there plenty because he is also a great blocker.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Lets clarify one more thing: Ricky Williams' role changed from game to game. If he was hot, then Saban would keep him in the game. If Ronnie was playing well, then he would stay in the game.

Not true, Native (and as a phin fan, you should know better than to try and slip that one in there) - from week 10 forward, Ricky's role steadily increased while Browns' steadily decreased. Ricky was in there on all the "important" carries from weeks 12 - 17.IMO, Saban will use his RB2 to keep his RB1 running fresh - and, at some point, will turn the reins over to his stud. I see Brown as a fantasy stud from weeks 8 forward, thought he WILL be spelled often by the RB2.

Dont know, Marc. Maybe I saw things differently. I agree that Ricky's role increased as the season progressed, but thats BECAUSE he often outplayed Ronnie during those games. Thats what I was trying to get at. If Lee Suggs comes in for 1 or 2 series early on and looks good in a pariticular game, I wouldnt be surprised if Nick gives him an increased workload for the remainder of that game.

The primary difference here is Ricky Williams was an established NFL starting RB - and a proven elite starter. His talent level is much higher than Suggs' (and arguably was higher than Brown's last season as well). Saban had a situation where he had two starting-caliber RBs and he had to figure out a way to utilize them both. Initially, it was splitting the carries but as the season progressed it became clear Williams was the superior RB and he became the featured RB to close out the season.I do not see a repeat of that happening here. While I do believe Suggs has quality talent he isn't by any stretch a proven starter so Saban will not be put into a situation where he has to get carries for both guys equally in order to take advantage of the talent at his disposal. I think this is a case where Saban may realize Brown has never been the full-time starter before and having a reduction in workload could be a very strong way to keep him healthy for the entire season. If Suggs can stay healthy (HUGE "if" there obviously) he could provide that backup presence and also provide a talented option in the running game when Brown is out. I'm not a Brown owner but if I was I wouldn't be overly concerned about this development. I wouldn't view this as Ricky Williams Redux but rather as a positive since having Suggs take 5-10 carries a game or so could enhance Brown's chances to remain healthy for the entire season. I've said many times that a good backup isn't something to necessarily fear for the starter but rather something that can prove to be extremely beneficial if it enables the starter to not have to absorb as much punishment as he would have if he was the only viable option for a team to use at the RB position.

Ricky was playing very well and Brown was still learning, but Brown also was not 100% towards the end of the year and the was a contributing factor. I also am a very large believer that the Dolphins were looking to trade Ricky and they were showcasing him. A matter of fact they were about to deal him to Denver when he failed his test.

 

[Marc Levin]

blocker - receiver - powerful runner - great vision.

it's brown w/all the important carries.

 

[packersfan]

Lets clarify one more thing: Ricky Williams' role changed from game to game. If he was hot, then Saban would keep him in the game. If Ronnie was playing well, then he would stay in the game.

Not true, Native (and as a phin fan, you should know better than to try and slip that one in there) - from week 10 forward, Ricky's role steadily increased while Browns' steadily decreased. Ricky was in there on all the "important" carries from weeks 12 - 17.IMO, Saban will use his RB2 to keep his RB1 running fresh - and, at some point, will turn the reins over to his stud. I see Brown as a fantasy stud from weeks 8 forward, thought he WILL be spelled often by the RB2.

Dont know, Marc. Maybe I saw things differently. I agree that Ricky's role increased as the season progressed, but thats BECAUSE he often outplayed Ronnie during those games. Thats what I was trying to get at. If Lee Suggs comes in for 1 or 2 series early on and looks good in a pariticular game, I wouldnt be surprised if Nick gives him an increased workload for the remainder of that game.

The primary difference here is Ricky Williams was an established NFL starting RB - and a proven elite starter. His talent level is much higher than Suggs' (and arguably was higher than Brown's last season as well). Saban had a situation where he had two starting-caliber RBs and he had to figure out a way to utilize them both. Initially, it was splitting the carries but as the season progressed it became clear Williams was the superior RB and he became the featured RB to close out the season.I do not see a repeat of that happening here. While I do believe Suggs has quality talent he isn't by any stretch a proven starter so Saban will not be put into a situation where he has to get carries for both guys equally in order to take advantage of the talent at his disposal. I think this is a case where Saban may realize Brown has never been the full-time starter before and having a reduction in workload could be a very strong way to keep him healthy for the entire season. If Suggs can stay healthy (HUGE "if" there obviously) he could provide that backup presence and also provide a talented option in the running game when Brown is out. I'm not a Brown owner but if I was I wouldn't be overly concerned about this development. I wouldn't view this as Ricky Williams Redux but rather as a positive since having Suggs take 5-10 carries a game or so could enhance Brown's chances to remain healthy for the entire season. I've said many times that a good backup isn't something to necessarily fear for the starter but rather something that can prove to be extremely beneficial if it enables the starter to not have to absorb as much punishment as he would have if he was the only viable option for a team to use at the RB position.

Ricky was playing very well and Brown was still learning, but Brown also was not 100% towards the end of the year and the was a contributing factor. I also am a very large believer that the Dolphins were looking to trade Ricky and they were showcasing him. A matter of fact they were about to deal him to Denver when he failed his test.

Brown wasn't 100% but keep in mind durability is a concern with him. In any event, I don't think there was any question that Ricky was the best RB on the team in the latter part of last season. He was running extremely well and took full advantage of the opportunity to start that Brown's health issues presented.Again, though, I don't view Suggs as being a Ricky replacement by any means. He simply isn't anywhere near as talented as Williams (and I do believe Suggs has talent). I think this is a situation where Saban knows he has to keep Brown healthy for the entire season and hopes Suggs can become the backup to take some carries each week in order to make that happen.From a fantasy perspective, if you have the roster room I think grabbing Suggs is worth a move whether you're a Brown owner or not. If it's not costing you a player you may really like I don't think it can hurt to grab Suggs and just see how all of this plays out. It's a long season and RB depth is critical in my opinion.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Lets clarify one more thing: Ricky Williams' role changed from game to game. If he was hot, then Saban would keep him in the game. If Ronnie was playing well, then he would stay in the game.

Not true, Native (and as a phin fan, you should know better than to try and slip that one in there) - from week 10 forward, Ricky's role steadily increased while Browns' steadily decreased. Ricky was in there on all the "important" carries from weeks 12 - 17.IMO, Saban will use his RB2 to keep his RB1 running fresh - and, at some point, will turn the reins over to his stud. I see Brown as a fantasy stud from weeks 8 forward, thought he WILL be spelled often by the RB2.

Dont know, Marc. Maybe I saw things differently. I agree that Ricky's role increased as the season progressed, but thats BECAUSE he often outplayed Ronnie during those games. Thats what I was trying to get at. If Lee Suggs comes in for 1 or 2 series early on and looks good in a pariticular game, I wouldnt be surprised if Nick gives him an increased workload for the remainder of that game.

The primary difference here is Ricky Williams was an established NFL starting RB - and a proven elite starter. His talent level is much higher than Suggs' (and arguably was higher than Brown's last season as well). Saban had a situation where he had two starting-caliber RBs and he had to figure out a way to utilize them both. Initially, it was splitting the carries but as the season progressed it became clear Williams was the superior RB and he became the featured RB to close out the season.I do not see a repeat of that happening here. While I do believe Suggs has quality talent he isn't by any stretch a proven starter so Saban will not be put into a situation where he has to get carries for both guys equally in order to take advantage of the talent at his disposal. I think this is a case where Saban may realize Brown has never been the full-time starter before and having a reduction in workload could be a very strong way to keep him healthy for the entire season. If Suggs can stay healthy (HUGE "if" there obviously) he could provide that backup presence and also provide a talented option in the running game when Brown is out. I'm not a Brown owner but if I was I wouldn't be overly concerned about this development. I wouldn't view this as Ricky Williams Redux but rather as a positive since having Suggs take 5-10 carries a game or so could enhance Brown's chances to remain healthy for the entire season. I've said many times that a good backup isn't something to necessarily fear for the starter but rather something that can prove to be extremely beneficial if it enables the starter to not have to absorb as much punishment as he would have if he was the only viable option for a team to use at the RB position.

Ricky was playing very well and Brown was still learning, but Brown also was not 100% towards the end of the year and the was a contributing factor. I also am a very large believer that the Dolphins were looking to trade Ricky and they were showcasing him. A matter of fact they were about to deal him to Denver when he failed his test.

Brown wasn't 100% but keep in mind durability is a concern with him. In any event, I don't think there was any question that Ricky was the best RB on the team in the latter part of last season. He was running extremely well and took full advantage of the opportunity to start that Brown's health issues presented.Again, though, I don't view Suggs as being a Ricky replacement by any means. He simply isn't anywhere near as talented as Williams (and I do believe Suggs has talent). I think this is a situation where Saban knows he has to keep Brown healthy for the entire season and hopes Suggs can become the backup to take some carries each week in order to make that happen.From a fantasy perspective, if you have the roster room I think grabbing Suggs is worth a move whether you're a Brown owner or not. If it's not costing you a player you may really like I don't think it can hurt to grab Suggs and just see how all of this plays out. It's a long season and RB depth is critical in my opinion.

Don't disagree with anything here, but I think the point is that Saban will not play Brown 2/3 and Suggs 1/3 or one drive out of 3 as the original article states. I just don't see it that way. I could see Brown come off for breathers, but it is silly to start Suggs on a drive after Brown is rested.

 

[packersfan]

We're in agreement on that point. If I were a Brown owner I wouldn't be concerned about this at all but rather view it as a potential positive if it ensured Brown stayed healthy for the entire season.

 

[Native]

Lets clarify one more thing: Ricky Williams' role changed from game to game. If he was hot, then Saban would keep him in the game. If Ronnie was playing well, then he would stay in the game.

Not true, Native (and as a phin fan, you should know better than to try and slip that one in there) - from week 10 forward, Ricky's role steadily increased while Browns' steadily decreased. Ricky was in there on all the "important" carries from weeks 12 - 17.IMO, Saban will use his RB2 to keep his RB1 running fresh - and, at some point, will turn the reins over to his stud. I see Brown as a fantasy stud from weeks 8 forward, thought he WILL be spelled often by the RB2.

Dont know, Marc. Maybe I saw things differently. I agree that Ricky's role increased as the season progressed, but thats BECAUSE he often outplayed Ronnie during those games. Thats what I was trying to get at. If Lee Suggs comes in for 1 or 2 series early on and looks good in a pariticular game, I wouldnt be surprised if Nick gives him an increased workload for the remainder of that game.

The primary difference here is Ricky Williams was an established NFL starting RB - and a proven elite starter. His talent level is much higher than Suggs' (and arguably was higher than Brown's last season as well). Saban had a situation where he had two starting-caliber RBs and he had to figure out a way to utilize them both. Initially, it was splitting the carries but as the season progressed it became clear Williams was the superior RB and he became the featured RB to close out the season.I do not see a repeat of that happening here. While I do believe Suggs has quality talent he isn't by any stretch a proven starter so Saban will not be put into a situation where he has to get carries for both guys equally in order to take advantage of the talent at his disposal. I think this is a case where Saban may realize Brown has never been the full-time starter before and having a reduction in workload could be a very strong way to keep him healthy for the entire season. If Suggs can stay healthy (HUGE "if" there obviously) he could provide that backup presence and also provide a talented option in the running game when Brown is out. I'm not a Brown owner but if I was I wouldn't be overly concerned about this development. I wouldn't view this as Ricky Williams Redux but rather as a positive since having Suggs take 5-10 carries a game or so could enhance Brown's chances to remain healthy for the entire season. I've said many times that a good backup isn't something to necessarily fear for the starter but rather something that can prove to be extremely beneficial if it enables the starter to not have to absorb as much punishment as he would have if he was the only viable option for a team to use at the RB position.

OK folks, I guess we'll just have to sit back and wait. Given the difference between Ronnies current roster standing ($19 million signing bonus) and Suggs current roster standing (waiver wire fodder), Im not exactly arguing from a position of strength. Still, something tells me that this situation is going to play out very differently than people are execting. Take that for what its worth (not much I know ) We shall see.

 

[Liquid Tension]

Lets clarify one more thing: Ricky Williams' role changed from game to game. If he was hot, then Saban would keep him in the game. If Ronnie was playing well, then he would stay in the game.

Not true, Native (and as a phin fan, you should know better than to try and slip that one in there) - from week 10 forward, Ricky's role steadily increased while Browns' steadily decreased. Ricky was in there on all the "important" carries from weeks 12 - 17.IMO, Saban will use his RB2 to keep his RB1 running fresh - and, at some point, will turn the reins over to his stud. I see Brown as a fantasy stud from weeks 8 forward, thought he WILL be spelled often by the RB2.

Dont know, Marc. Maybe I saw things differently. I agree that Ricky's role increased as the season progressed, but thats BECAUSE he often outplayed Ronnie during those games. Thats what I was trying to get at. If Lee Suggs comes in for 1 or 2 series early on and looks good in a pariticular game, I wouldnt be surprised if Nick gives him an increased workload for the remainder of that game.

The primary difference here is Ricky Williams was an established NFL starting RB - and a proven elite starter. His talent level is much higher than Suggs' (and arguably was higher than Brown's last season as well). Saban had a situation where he had two starting-caliber RBs and he had to figure out a way to utilize them both. Initially, it was splitting the carries but as the season progressed it became clear Williams was the superior RB and he became the featured RB to close out the season.I do not see a repeat of that happening here. While I do believe Suggs has quality talent he isn't by any stretch a proven starter so Saban will not be put into a situation where he has to get carries for both guys equally in order to take advantage of the talent at his disposal. I think this is a case where Saban may realize Brown has never been the full-time starter before and having a reduction in workload could be a very strong way to keep him healthy for the entire season. If Suggs can stay healthy (HUGE "if" there obviously) he could provide that backup presence and also provide a talented option in the running game when Brown is out. I'm not a Brown owner but if I was I wouldn't be overly concerned about this development. I wouldn't view this as Ricky Williams Redux but rather as a positive since having Suggs take 5-10 carries a game or so could enhance Brown's chances to remain healthy for the entire season. I've said many times that a good backup isn't something to necessarily fear for the starter but rather something that can prove to be extremely beneficial if it enables the starter to not have to absorb as much punishment as he would have if he was the only viable option for a team to use at the RB position.

OK folks, I guess we'll just have to sit back and wait. Given the difference between Ronnies current roster standing ($19 million signing bonus) and Suggs current roster standing (waiver wire fodder), Im not exactly arguing from a position of strength. Still, something tells me that this situation is going to play out very differently than people are execting. Take that for what its worth (not much I know ) We shall see.

As a Dolphin fan I hope that Suggs is very good, but I know RB is. Th eone important point is that when Ruben Droughans is your starting RB and you release Lee Suggs, how could he be real good? of course Crennel might have blundered, but there is something he didn't like

 

[blue42]

As a Brown owner, I'm glad to see this. Too many people are looking at this as a short-term problem, but consider this: this is year 2 in the NFL for Ronnie. I would assume he's up to the task of carrying the ball 100+ times, but maybe Saban knows better. Brown may not be up to the level of conditioning yet where he can tote the load and withstand the punishment from seasoned veterans who are stronger, faster, and in better shape that he "MAY" be at this point. Look what happened to Caddy last year. Same thing could have happened to Brown if Ricky wasn't there. OVer 17 games, I think there's going to be a real need for someone to take the pressure off to keep him fresh and healthy. This will all make sense in December and January, trust me.

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

FWIW...

Ronnie Brown: 15 career starts, 2 100-yard rushing games

Lee Suggs: 3 career starts, 4 100-yard rushing games, 1 100-yard receiving game.

 

[Native]

FWIW...Ronnie Brown: 15 career starts, 2 100-yard rushing games Lee Suggs: 3 career starts, 4 100-yard rushing games, 1 100-yard receiving game.

 

[Traders2001]

don't own Brown anywhere, but if i did, this wouldn't really worry me that much. if anything, it could help keep Brown healthy

If i had Brown i would be worried , cause if you put aside the health factor Suggs is as or more talented then him .

 

[TitusIII]

FWIW...Ronnie Brown: 15 career starts, 2 100-yard rushing games Lee Suggs: 3 career starts, 4 100-yard rushing games, 1 100-yard receiving game.

You can use stats to prove anything...

 

[Neil Beaufort Zod]

FWIW...Ronnie Brown: 15 career starts, 2 100-yard rushing games Lee Suggs: 3 career starts, 4 100-yard rushing games, 1 100-yard receiving game.

You can use stats to prove anything...

And he just did. When Suggs gets a chance to start, he produces. That doesn't mean Brown owners are doomed, but it does mean that the Dolphins might have a new guy that deserves to be on the field, and that could affect Brown's stats.

 

[Native]

FWIW...Ronnie Brown: 15 career starts, 2 100-yard rushing games Lee Suggs: 3 career starts, 4 100-yard rushing games, 1 100-yard receiving game.

You can use stats to prove anything...

True. He just proved that Suggs has been a more productive runner in fewer games.

 

[Native]

FWIW...Ronnie Brown: 15 career starts, 2 100-yard rushing games Lee Suggs: 3 career starts, 4 100-yard rushing games, 1 100-yard receiving game.

You can use stats to prove anything...

And he just did. When Suggs gets a chance to start, he produces. That doesn't mean Brown owners are doomed, but it does mean that the Dolphins might have a new guy that deserves to be on the field, and that could affect Brown's stats.

Ultimately, I think this is good news for Dolphin fans. If Ronnie is running hard, give him the ball 30 times and let him do his thing. But if hes having trouble finding running room, change things up and give Suggs a chance to make something happen.Irregardless of Ronnie Browns fantasy value, this is great news for the Miami Dolphins.

 

[TitusIII]

The stats didn't prove a thing. Ronnie Brown has been the main back in five career games. Those stats on Suggs are from three years ago.

 

[Lemmiwinks]

The stats didn't prove a thing. Ronnie Brown has been the main back in five career games. Those stats on Suggs are from three years ago.

Yeah that's just cherry picking stats. And to the guy who said Suggs is as talented/ more talented than Brown... wow. I don't think you've ever actually watched these guys play. One thing people seem to forget / dismiss is that R. Brown is much better in pass protection. In fact, I'd say based on his performance last year and against the steelers that he is one of the top 5 pass protecting backs in the league. Not to mention he's a very solid receiver out of the backfield If you take him out, you won't be as strong in the passing game, something the Dolphins need help with. Suggs will be a change of pace back, IMO, vulturing 5-8 carries a game and none in important (goal-line) situations. Brown will still catch a lot of balls out of the backfield.

 

[Liquid Tension]

don't own Brown anywhere, but if i did, this wouldn't really worry me that much. if anything, it could help keep Brown healthy

If i had Brown i would be worried , cause if you put aside the health factor Suggs is as or more talented then him .

Man, I wish I could buy stuff like that around here...

 

[Marc Levin]

don't own Brown anywhere, but if i did, this wouldn't really worry me that much. if anything, it could help keep Brown healthy

If i had Brown i would be worried , cause if you put aside the health factor Suggs is as or more talented then him .

:reaching for straws smilie:Big time here.RBrown was the #2 OVERALL pick in a year when 5 RBs went in the first 5 picks. You are seriously standing alone to say Suggs is as or more talented than Brown.

 

[Marc Levin]

Suggs will be a change of pace back, IMO, vulturing 5-8 carries a game and none in important (goal-line) situations. Brown will still catch a lot of balls out of the backfield.

Exactly how I see it, too, though I think Saban will want to change the pace more often than 5 carries a game, and I think Saban will allow Suggs to stay in the game for full series' if he is running well.Of course Suggs in the backfield allows the phins to swing Brown out to WR - where he was very effective last year.Like Reggie Bush and Deuce, the goal is to get the ball into Brown's hands as much as possible, and to use Suggs as a biut of a DECOY on a lot of plays (they did the same thing with Ricky and Ronnie last year - so, when Saban says he sees the backs being used in the same way, that is one of the things he is talking about.

 

[Liquid Tension]

The stats didn't prove a thing. Ronnie Brown has been the main back in five career games. Those stats on Suggs are from three years ago.

Yeah that's just cherry picking stats. And to the guy who said Suggs is as talented/ more talented than Brown... wow. I don't think you've ever actually watched these guys play. One thing people seem to forget / dismiss is that R. Brown is much better in pass protection. In fact, I'd say based on his performance last year and against the steelers that he is one of the top 5 pass protecting backs in the league. Not to mention he's a very solid receiver out of the backfield If you take him out, you won't be as strong in the passing game, something the Dolphins need help with. Suggs will be a change of pace back, IMO, vulturing 5-8 carries a game and none in important (goal-line) situations. Brown will still catch a lot of balls out of the backfield.

I stated this before and therefore obviously agree. I think he is top 3 blocking RB as he stands guys up.

 

[JBTV]

As a Dolphin fan, I can say that for sure, Saban will do whatever he thinks benefits the team overall. If he thinks that giving RB a series off a couple times a game will help him stay healthy over the course of the season, he's damn sure going to do it. If he thinks there's a way to win the game, he'll do it. As proven by the Ricky situation, he's certainly not going to be concerned with contracts, starting roles or what anybody's opinion is. He'll play the guy he thinks he should be playing at that particular moment.

As a RB owner in one league where I got him fairly cheaply, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit worried about his short term production being cut into. But if it's something that keeps him healthier and more productive throughout the course of a 17 week season, I'll take it. The fact is that we haven't seen him carry the entire load for an NFL season, so in a way, I appreciate the effort to try and keep him fresh and healthy.

 

[gregjcross]

Sherrif you are genuine in your beliefs for Lee Suggs.

But the season has begun so it only matters what happens on the field.

Suggs has done nothing yet, he might get a chance now. In a month, i am pretty sure that I will still be playing Ronnie Brown in my lineup as one of my RBs.

If you are depending on Suggs to do well or hoping for Brown to fail because of Suggs, you can come back and call me an idiot

So why didnt all the Ronnie Brown "experts" here predict this a month ago. It was totally quiet after the PITT game. If R.Brown is so overrated, just prove why -- rather than reacting to coach statements and not an actual game. Is Suggs really going to detract from Brown if Brown is starting? He will be catching passes, chewing up yardage scoring TDs and helping Miami win games. If suggs gets carries Brown is resting and not getting over used adn worn down

If Suggs really has the potential to make Ronnie average such as Ricky Williams...

a) Why has Suggs never been able to stay healthy for 3 weeks consecutively

Point taken, that's his knock

b). Why did the JETS (with 3 of the worst RBs in the league) reject him

Barlow is a better back with less health issues

c) Why was he outright cut by the Browns in favor of unproven scat backs

Can't make the club from the tub, plus Crennell didn't draft him

d) Why is he paid close to the league minimum salary today?

Health issues, not for lack of talent:ronniebrownowner:

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

As a advid LSU fan I will tell you guys that it really doesn't matter how talented a RB is Saban is used to running a RBBC. Now you might say he is a defensive guy, but if you think he has no say on what happens on offense you are sadly mistaken. While at LSU Saban split the carries with D. Davis and L. Toefield. J. Vincent and J. Addai with S. Carey getting some touches. Then in his last year A. Brousarrd got a big work load with Addai and J. Vincent. It also doesn't matter the importance of the game what Quater, or situation. He would rotate these guys.

God, the denial on this board is amazing. Thank you for posting this, ATC1.Folks, here is someone who gets it. Those of you who have Brown rostered and are nervously mumbling 'Suggs sucks' might feel better trying to convince yourselves of this, but it doesn't change the fact that Saban coaches this team, not you, and you can say goodbye to 100+ carries you thought were going to Brown. Good post ATC1.

Couldn't disagree more.Some others in this thread (my apologies for not quoting you all) pointed this out - the NFL is a copycat league. Many are using the Denver approach - share the backfield, RBBC, whatever you want to label it - and avoid the true feature back. Tampa Bay tried it last year and nearly burnt out Caddy inside of a month (remember the record 100+ carries in 3 weeks to start the season?).League-wide, teams strive for balance. They want to run the ball (they say) 50% of the time, but often they will be happy with 40% rushing. Take this to the standard NFL game where you run 50-70 offensive plays a week, and assuming 40-50% rushing, you are looking at 20-35 runs a game (average of 27.5).Now do the math. That's 320 team rushes at a minimum, witha strong likelihood of more. Baltimore wants to run the ball "500 times" this season, which works out to 32 carries a game. Back to the math we see that the range is 320 - 560 carries for your offense, with 440 being the average. Now, no NFL coach wants his top running back to get much more than 300 rushes a season, so someone has to make up that 100+ difference.Translate all this to the Dolphins. After Brown they had very little to go to in Travis Minor or Sammy Morris.Give Brown 320 carries and Culpepper 50, and there is still room for 110 carries in a 30-carry a game offense. Suggs getting the vast majority of those should keep Brown fresh and make Saban perfectly happy.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

This is mind boggling to say the least.

 

[Couch Potato]

As a advid LSU fan I will tell you guys that it really doesn't matter how talented a RB is Saban is used to running a RBBC. Now you might say he is a defensive guy, but if you think he has no say on what happens on offense you are sadly mistaken.

While at LSU Saban split the carries with D. Davis and L. Toefield. J. Vincent and J. Addai with S. Carey getting some touches. Then in his last year A. Brousarrd got a big work load with Addai and J. Vincent. It also doesn't matter the importance of the game what Quater, or situation. He would rotate these guys.

God, the denial on this board is amazing. Thank you for posting this, ATC1.Folks, here is someone who gets it. Those of you who have Brown rostered and are nervously mumbling 'Suggs sucks' might feel better trying to convince yourselves of this, but it doesn't change the fact that Saban coaches this team, not you, and you can say goodbye to 100+ carries you thought were going to Brown. Good post ATC1.

Couldn't disagree more.Some others in this thread (my apologies for not quoting you all) pointed this out - the NFL is a copycat league. Many are using the Denver approach - share the backfield, RBBC, whatever you want to label it - and avoid the true feature back. Tampa Bay tried it last year and nearly burnt out Caddy inside of a month (remember the record 100+ carries in 3 weeks to start the season?).

League-wide, teams strive for balance. They want to run the ball (they say) 50% of the time, but often they will be happy with 40% rushing. Take this to the standard NFL game where you run 50-70 offensive plays a week, and assuming 40-50% rushing, you are looking at 20-35 runs a game (average of 27.5).

Now do the math. That's 320 team rushes at a minimum, witha strong likelihood of more. Baltimore wants to run the ball "500 times" this season, which works out to 32 carries a game. Back to the math we see that the range is 320 - 560 carries for your offense, with 440 being the average. Now, no NFL coach wants his top running back to get much more than 300 rushes a season, so someone has to make up that 100+ difference.

Translate all this to the Dolphins. After Brown they had very little to go to in Travis Minor or Sammy Morris.

Give Brown 320 carries and Culpepper 50, and there is still room for 110 carries in a 30-carry a game offense. Suggs getting the vast majority of those should keep Brown fresh and make Saban perfectly happy.

Um, Okay... so what exactly was it I said that you are disagreeing with? I was agreeing with a post that said there would be some sharing of carries. You say the same in your post. I said Suggs would get 100+ carries. You said 110. Where's the problem? You couldn't disagree more about what? That the carries aren't being taken away from Brown? Call it semantics, but if they aren't being taken away from the #1 guy, who can you say they are being taken from?

 

[Frenchy Fuqua]

don't own Brown anywhere, but if i did, this wouldn't really worry me that much.

if anything, it could help keep Brown healthy

If i had Brown i would be worried , cause if you put aside the health factor Suggs is as or more talented then him .

:reaching for straws smilie:Big time here.

RBrown was the #2 OVERALL pick in a year when 5 RBs went in the first 5 picks. You are seriously standing alone to say Suggs is as or more talented than Brown.

OTS but actually 5 weren't even taken in the 1st round last year.

2005 Draft

Round Pick Player Name Team Position College

1 1 1 Alex D. Smith 49ers QB Utah

2 2 Ronnie Brown Dolphins RB Auburn

3 3 Braylon Edwards Browns WR Michigan

4 4 Cedric Benson Bears RB Texas

5 5 Cadillac Williams Buccaneers RB Auburn

6 6 Adam (Pacman) Jones Titans DB West Virginia

7 7 Troy Williamson Vikings WR South Carolina

8 8 Antrel Rolle Cardinals DB Miami (FL)

9 9 Carlos Rogers Redskins DB Auburn

10 10 Mike Williams Lions WR USC

11 11 Demarcus Ware Cowboys DE Troy State

12 12 Shawne Merriman Chargers LB Maryland

13 13 Jammal Brown Saints T Oklahoma

14 14 Thomas Davis Panthers DB Georgia

15 15 Derrick O. Johnson Chiefs LB Texas

16 16 Travis Johnson Texans DT Florida State

17 17 David Pollack Bengals DE Georgia

18 18 Erasmus James Vikings DE Wisconsin

19 19 Alex Barron Rams T Florida State

20 20 Marcus Spears Cowboys DE Louisiana State

21 21 Matt Jones Jaguars WR Arkansas

22 22 Mark Clayton Ravens WR Oklahoma

23 23 Fabian Washington Raiders DB Nebraska

24 24 Aaron Rodgers Packers QB California

25 25 Jason Campbell Redskins QB Auburn

26 26 Chris Spencer Seahawks C Mississippi

27 27 Roddy White Falcons WR Alabama-Birmingham

28 28 Luis Castillo Chargers DT Northwestern

29 29 Marlin Jackson Colts DB Michigan

30 30 Heath Miller Steelers TE Virginia

31 31 Mike Patterson Eagles DT USC

32 32 Logan Mankins Patriots G Fresno State

 

[BoulderBob]

Lee Suggs as talented as Ronnie Brown?

Brown has all the talent in the world, Suggs will keep him fresh.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

As a advid LSU fan I will tell you guys that it really doesn't matter how talented a RB is Saban is used to running a RBBC. Now you might say he is a defensive guy, but if you think he has no say on what happens on offense you are sadly mistaken.

While at LSU Saban split the carries with D. Davis and L. Toefield. J. Vincent and J. Addai with S. Carey getting some touches. Then in his last year A. Brousarrd got a big work load with Addai and J. Vincent. It also doesn't matter the importance of the game what Quater, or situation. He would rotate these guys.

God, the denial on this board is amazing. Thank you for posting this, ATC1.Folks, here is someone who gets it. Those of you who have Brown rostered and are nervously mumbling 'Suggs sucks' might feel better trying to convince yourselves of this, but it doesn't change the fact that Saban coaches this team, not you, and you can say goodbye to 100+ carries you thought were going to Brown. Good post ATC1.

Couldn't disagree more.Some others in this thread (my apologies for not quoting you all) pointed this out - the NFL is a copycat league. Many are using the Denver approach - share the backfield, RBBC, whatever you want to label it - and avoid the true feature back. Tampa Bay tried it last year and nearly burnt out Caddy inside of a month (remember the record 100+ carries in 3 weeks to start the season?).

League-wide, teams strive for balance. They want to run the ball (they say) 50% of the time, but often they will be happy with 40% rushing. Take this to the standard NFL game where you run 50-70 offensive plays a week, and assuming 40-50% rushing, you are looking at 20-35 runs a game (average of 27.5).

Now do the math. That's 320 team rushes at a minimum, witha strong likelihood of more. Baltimore wants to run the ball "500 times" this season, which works out to 32 carries a game. Back to the math we see that the range is 320 - 560 carries for your offense, with 440 being the average. Now, no NFL coach wants his top running back to get much more than 300 rushes a season, so someone has to make up that 100+ difference.

Translate all this to the Dolphins. After Brown they had very little to go to in Travis Minor or Sammy Morris.

Give Brown 320 carries and Culpepper 50, and there is still room for 110 carries in a 30-carry a game offense. Suggs getting the vast majority of those should keep Brown fresh and make Saban perfectly happy.

Um, Okay... so what exactly was it I said that you are disagreeing with? I was agreeing with a post that said there would be some sharing of carries. You say the same in your post. I said Suggs would get 100+ carries. You said 110. Where's the problem? You couldn't disagree more about what? That the carries aren't being taken away from Brown? Call it semantics, but if they aren't being taken away from the #1 guy, who can you say they are being taken from?

The semantics you state are exactly the debate. My point is that there were going to be 100+ carries for Miami RBs not named Brown before Lee Suggs, and there will be that many after. The name of that ballcarrier changed from Minor or Morris to Suggs.You brush away the argument as if it is one of semantics, yet you allude to nervous Brown owners should say goodbye to 100+ carries that were going to him. That's what I'm saying is false - there was no game plan that had Brown with 400+ carries this season.

 

[ProBowler88]

In the NFL as a running back, you can either stay healthy or get hurt constantly and always be injury prone.

You are either an Iron Man like emmitt smith and play until your legs fall off.....or you can be dubbed with the title "fragile" (freddy) Suggs is no Iron Man.....

The fact is that yes, Suggs is a talented and versitile back and he can produce greatly when he has the chance.

Here is another fact.....The kid CANNOT STAY HEALTHY!!!! IF HE COULD NOT DO THAT IN THE PAST, WHAT MAKES YOU THINK HE CAN STAY HEALTHY NOW!?!?

And if you think Saban will use suggs like he used Ricky....you are seriously smoking somthing bad.....Suggs is not in any way, shape, or form....as good or better than Ricky Williams is. Saban will try to do that....and once he sees that suggs is not Ricky Williams....he will be doing this......

How can a running back produce if he is always hurt?

 

[There it is]

I have Brown and he's playing,(the next 3 weeks ) the:

Bills

Titans

And Texans

I'm starting him!

There it is.

 

[ArcticEdge]

This thread is very confusing, does Suggs have talent or not?

 

[RavenCRH]

This thread is very confusing, does Suggs have talent or not?

 

[Marc Levin]

OTS but actually 5 weren't even taken in the 1st round last year.

shoulda read 3 in the first 5 - sorry