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MAD - Artist - Round 4 - #5's have been posted (5 Viewers)

Here is a good live version of #24 War Begun. MMJ Live Volume 4 comes out in a couple of weeks. They played entire Tennessee Fire album on this release. Should be awesome.

 
What is the most (in)famous example of this you guys can offer? I think I know what you're talking about, but don't understand the term itself.

The most famous example is probably Phil Collins' drum fill from "In the Air Tonight". It sounds great there but was overused to death in the decade that followed.
It's like Cher using Autotune on "Believe". We all know she can sing. She's making an artistic choice. Ditto for Collins. Most of the rest is just crap.
 
Up next, a Bootsy song I'm not even going to try and explain for fear of Joe banning me.
Wow. I would be livng for this moment. I don't think Neil Diamond is gonna give me a moment like this. The umlauts might. There's some weird [redacted] in there.
I'm trying to imagine Neil singing this song and........ I just can't.

On the other hand, Bootsy singing "Song Sung Blue" would be....... no, I can't go there, either :lol:
Laugh emoji.

Hey if UB40 can cover "Red, Red Wine", I bet Bootsy would do just fine. I suspect he'd rather cover "Porcupine Pie" though.
 
#25 - Lewis (Mistreated)

So the My Iron Lung EP was a bit of a weird one, only actually being released (at least here) as a compilation of two versions of the single released separately for chart eligibility purposes. Lewis for me is the pick of them (The Trickster features in the long list), with some vibes similar to tracks released on Pablo Honey, but also similarities to other things that actually made The Bends (Just springs to mind, but there may be better examples). The EP is filled with the lead track and then tunes recorded for The Bends, but which didn't really fit on the album proper, and is notable for being their first collaboration with long time producer Nigel Goodrich

Will catch up 24 with 23, busy this weekend
 
Up next, a Bootsy song I'm not even going to try and explain for fear of Joe banning me.
Wow. I would be livng for this moment. I don't think Neil Diamond is gonna give me a moment like this. The umlauts might. There's some weird [redacted] in there.
I'm trying to imagine Neil singing this song and........ I just can't.

On the other hand, Bootsy singing "Song Sung Blue" would be....... no, I can't go there, either :lol:
He would indeed sing the song blue.
 
Catching up on some good ones I missed:

The Guns Of Brixton 🔫 🔫- The Clash
Armatopia - Johnny Marr
Bride & Groom - The Airborne Toxic Event
Greatest Love Of All - Whitney Houston
When You're Alone - Journey
Electric Daisy 🎻 - Lindsey Sterling
Dancing On Glass - Motley Crue
Bop Gun - Parliament
No-No Song - Ringo Starr
 
24.

Sweetness Follows-R.E.M.
from Automatic For the People (1992)


“Sweetness Follows” to me is powerfully haunting. This is a song that stays with you and has real emotional weight. My dad died in 1993, when I was 19. I've always kind of associated this song with him and that time of my life.

The tragedy of “Sweetness Follows” isn’t the death of its characters’ parents but rather the way petty grudges and self-absorption have either damaged or completely severed the connections of the surviving family members. The reverberating and distorted cello really adds a heaviness to the song. It shares a space with an acoustic strum, a sustained organ wash, and of course, Stipe’s vocals steeped in melancholy. Just an incredible bittersweet song.
 
24.

Sweetness Follows-R.E.M.
from Automatic For the People (1992)


“Sweetness Follows” to me is powerfully haunting. This is a song that stays with you and has real emotional weight. My dad died in 1993, when I was 19. I've always kind of associated this song with him and that time of my life.

The tragedy of “Sweetness Follows” isn’t the death of its characters’ parents but rather the way petty grudges and self-absorption have either damaged or completely severed the connections of the surviving family members. The reverberating and distorted cello really adds a heaviness to the song. It shares a space with an acoustic strum, a sustained organ wash, and of course, Stipe’s vocals steeped in melancholy. Just an incredible bittersweet song.
You should read about Frank Zappa's family. It's just awful.
 
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the gated drum stuff I hate so much

:hifive:
What is the most (in)famous example of this you guys can offer? I think I know what you're talking about, but don't understand the term itself.
Almost everything Phil Collins played in the '80s -- he and Peter Gabriel invented the technique for Gabriel's third solo album

The worst offender IMO is Against All Odds:

ahh, I call that the sterile drum effect. They sound sharp and clean but almost fake to me.
 
Marr #24 (Smiths #8) - The Smiths "Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others"

All songwriting teams work a little bit differently. Marr and Morrissey used the same method throughout their too brief partnership. Johnny would first work-up the tune and record in on his four-track home system, he'd ride his motorcycle over to Morrissey's flat and drop the cassette through the mail slot. Morrissey would return days, weeks or months later with the lyrics for the song.

This asynchronous process often produced magic but I think "Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others" is one of the times it didn't work optimally. Morrissey's slight and rather silly words don't quite live up to Johnny's beautiful two-bar riff than subtly shifts from the verse to the chorus. Marr and producer Stephen Street try some studio trickery to pad it out to 3:18. There's the clever little fade in/out/in during the intro, the distorted vocals of Morrissey's best lines of the song "Send me the pillow/The one that you dream on/And I'll send you mine" and the outro which overdubs two different Marr guitar lines in counterpoint to the main riff. It's still a great closer to a classic album in spite of Morrissey's introductory logic problem in the chorus.

 
Friday I’m in Love with the #24s. Oh, wait, that would've been better for a different M-AD countdown. Er, whatever. There was still a ton to appreciate here. Including a few I wanted to shout out, but chose instead to spread the love a little.

Selected (and shuffled) Favorites:
Setting Sun - Lord Huron. 1st song from the shuffle, and a very strong start.
I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me) - Whitney Houston
Handle Me - Robyn
Bop Gun (Endangered Species) - P-Funk
Monkey Brains - Our Lady Peace
Jigsaw Falling Into Place - Radiohead
Brand New Day - Ryan Star
Hitsville U.K. - The Clash
I’ve Got to Get a Message To You - Bee Gees

Shuffle Adventures:
As guitar-led songs with powerful soulful yet slow(er) singing, “Sweetness Follows” by R.E.M. and “War Begun” from My Morning Jacket fit together quite well.
 
The Bee GeeszamboniI’ve Gotta Get a Message to You
Heading back to their baroque pop days in the late ‘60s, this was the band’s first top 10 hit in the U.S. (peaking at #8 on the Billboard Hot 100). Some interesting but bizarre lyrics, reflecting a man awaiting his execution in the electric chair and asking the prison chaplajn to send a message (unknown) to his wife. The band had hoped to give it to Percy Sledge to sing, but like several other songs, they kept it for themselves and it paid off. Another lush arrangement with a dynamic harmonized chorus. Underneath the song is a bouncy bass line by Maurice that he tried to pattern after Paul McCartney (recall the two bands intertwined quite a bit back then).

Bonus live performance many years later in 1997:

 
24 top 5:

Loud Love
Spiders
Hard Sun
I've Gotta Get A Message To You
Carmelita


ETA: when I checked the song credits for Hard Sun to see which album it was from, I noticed that it was produced by Adam Kasper. Turns out it is the Adam Kasper that was my high school soccer teammate at Capital High School in Olympia, WA in the mid-80's. I researched a bit more and he apparently has done quite well in the industry. And, @Pip's Invitation, he also produced Fast Stories...from Kid Coma by Truly (which sadly, I just discovered, is no longer available on Spotify).

He was also a pretty great high school soccer player.
 
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Sad24 top 5:

Loud Love
Spiders
Hard Sun
I've Gotta Get A Message To You
Carmelita


ETA: when I checked the song credits for Hard Sun to see which album it was from, I noticed that it was produced by Adam Kasper. Turns out it is the Adam Kasper that was my high school soccer teammate at Capital High School in Olympia, WA in the mid-80's. I researched a bit more and he apparently has done quite well in the industry. And, @Pip's Invitation, he also produced Fast Stories...from Kid Coma by Truly (which sadly, I just discovered, is no longer available on Spotify).

He was also a pretty great high school soccer player.
I did know that Kasper produced Fast Stories, and I did know that it was taken down from Spotify. :sadbanana:
 
Sad24 top 5:

Loud Love
Spiders
Hard Sun
I've Gotta Get A Message To You
Carmelita


ETA: when I checked the song credits for Hard Sun to see which album it was from, I noticed that it was produced by Adam Kasper. Turns out it is the Adam Kasper that was my high school soccer teammate at Capital High School in Olympia, WA in the mid-80's. I researched a bit more and he apparently has done quite well in the industry. And, @Pip's Invitation, he also produced Fast Stories...from Kid Coma by Truly (which sadly, I just discovered, is no longer available on Spotify).

He was also a pretty great high school soccer player.
I did know that Kasper produced Fast Stories, and I did know that it was taken down from Spotify. :sadbanana:
It was off Spotify forever, then added, and now off.

Do you know the details as to why?
 
Sad24 top 5:

Loud Love
Spiders
Hard Sun
I've Gotta Get A Message To You
Carmelita


ETA: when I checked the song credits for Hard Sun to see which album it was from, I noticed that it was produced by Adam Kasper. Turns out it is the Adam Kasper that was my high school soccer teammate at Capital High School in Olympia, WA in the mid-80's. I researched a bit more and he apparently has done quite well in the industry. And, @Pip's Invitation, he also produced Fast Stories...from Kid Coma by Truly (which sadly, I just discovered, is no longer available on Spotify).

He was also a pretty great high school soccer player.
I did know that Kasper produced Fast Stories, and I did know that it was taken down from Spotify. :sadbanana:
It was off Spotify forever, then added, and now off.

Do you know the details as to why?
I do not.
 
Another MADs-adjacent newish release.

A three disc retrospective of Yes/Crimson/U.K./Brand X drummer Bill Bruford's solo material from 1977-2007. He's probably the greatest prog drummer ever but the tracks I listened to on the compilation were mostly jazz fusion. He's such an inventive drummer whatever he's playing with lines that head off in unpredictable (and unplayable) tangents.

 
Listened to the #24 playlist. Other than my own song:
  • Favorites already known to me:
    • Radiohead - Jigsaw Falling Into Place -- top 10 RH for me, love this song
  • Favorites new to me:
    • Built to Spill, Caustic Resin - When Not Being Stupid Is Not Enough -- the song title is almost enough for a vote, but I liked the song a lot, too :-)
    • Our Lady Peace - Monkey Brains -- this made my list at the 2:10 mark of the song, loved that transition
    • My Morning Jacket - War Begun -- awesome
    • Tim Maia - Do Your Thing, Behave Yourself -- first favorite from Tim so far
Another enjoyable playlist. First time the Pretty Reckless did not make my favorites.
 
23's PLAYLIST

23s
The WalkmenScoresmanStranded
The Clashkupcho1Hate & War
Ryan StarYambagStay Awhile
YesYo MamaEvery Little Thing
Built To SpillThe Dreaded MarcoTerrible/Perfect
Johnny MarrEephus7 Worlds Collide--Too Blue
The Pretty Reckless Raging Weasel Only Love Can Save Me Now
Jeff TweedyDr. OctopusSunken Treasure
JourneyKarmaPoliceEscape
Lindsey Stirling-oz-Spontaneous me
TriumphPip's InvitationWhen the Lights Go Down
Our Lady PeaceMACWhatever
Mötley CrüeJWBHooligan's Holiday
The Airborne Toxic EventZegras11Poor Isaac
Annie LennoxMrs. RannousLove is a Stranger
Whitney HoustonCharlie SteinerDidn't We Almost Have It All
My Morning Jacketlandrys hatBermuda Highway

RobynJohn Maddens LunchboxBlow My Mind
Tim MaiaDon QuixoteAcenda O Farol
Parliament FunkadelicUruk-HaiRoto-Rooter
Bootsy Collins - Roto-Rooter (youtube.com)
Lord HuronKarmaPoliceDead Man's Hand
R.E.M.TuffnuttThe One That I Love

RadioheadTitusbrambleLife In A Glasshouse
CandleboxMt.ManButterfly
Eddie VedderTau837Severed Hand
The Bee GeeszamboniRun to Me
Fred EaglesmithMister CIACemetery Road
Ringo Starrkrista4A Dose of Rock and Roll
Big Room/Deep Big RoomzazaleFeel It
 

#23 - Robyn - Blow My Mind​


Producer - Guy Sigsworth
Writer - Robyn and Alexander Kronlund
Chart Positions - Not released as a Single
Album - Don’t Stop the Music
Year - 2002
Collaborator History - Sigsworth is an experienced english producer, having worked with Seal, Björk, Imogen Heap, Madonna and David Sylvian. He only produced two tracks with Robyn. One being this track.
Kronlund is a protege of Max Martin, who i have talked about extensively already before the countdown, but he isn’t fit to hold Martins bootstraps. Kronlund contributes to many of Britney Spears material tagging along with Max Martin, but Kronlund still helps Robyn on a very important track down the line

Key Lyric -
Unbelievable, ooo it's such a rush
So incredible, boy you make me blush
Just keep doing it, throw me into space
And I’ll be floating there for days
Because you blow my mind

Notes - Like most of the first 10 tracks we see, it was either in the countdown or out of it at various stages of development. This track offers the first sign of a different sound compared to her first 2 albums heavily influenced by R&B. This album is an excellent development step from her teenage albums, but the mix of artists, producers and writers wasn’t quite right. That got rectified on her next album, Robyn. But there is plenty of evidence on this track and album that Robyn knew the path she wanted to travel.

Next up - We get to the Body Talk trilogy for the first time. This song was in the top 10 at some stage, but I needed balance in the run down so this one fell all the way to #22.
 
#23 Bootsy Collins - "Roto-Rooter"

There's not much I can say about this song that won't get me a timeout. I can't think of a more insane record in the history of either records or insanity. Y'all make up your own minds what it's about. I will say that his voice and his bass playing...... um....fit.

So, let's talk about Collins after his run as a headliner. Here are some of the folks he recorded with:

Jerry Harrison
The Sweat Band
Keith Richards
Dee-Lite (he's the guy behind the "Groove Is In The Heart" song)
Hardware, with Steve Salas & Buddy Miles
Del McCoury, Doc Watson, & Mac Wiseman in an attempt to make a funk-bluegrass fusion (it works!)
Fatboy Slim

Enjoy!

Next, one of Funkadelic's most indelible songs.
 
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The Clashkupcho1Hate & War
Hate & War is the 3rd one from their debut The Clash.

1977 was such a great year for music, so much was changing. From songfacts:
Singer Joe Strummer noted in a 2002 interview with Uncut magazine that the title "Hate and War" was a direct reversal of the hippy phrase "Love and Peace," done to illustrate the contrast between the optimism and hope of the late 1960s and the grim reality of Britain in the '70s. "It was a good punk rock blast to have a song called that" he said.

Speaking of change, I'm not sure the lyrics would fly today, at least not in polite circles.

Hate and war (I hate English men)
Hate and war (Just as bad as wops)
Hate and war (I hate all the politeness)
Hate and war (I hate all the cops)
Hate and war (I want to walk down any street)
Hate and war (Dressed like a creep)
Hate and war (I don't care if I get beat up)
Hate and war (By any rotten Greek)
 
23. Didn't We Almost Have It All (Whitney, 1987)

Co-written over several years by Michael Masser and Will Jennings (Up Where We Belong, Higher Love, Tears in Heaven, My Heart Will Go On), Didn't We Almost Have It All took less than two months to reach #1 on the charts, making it her 5th consecutive single to reach the top. While the song was adored by most (as evidenced by its raging success and popularity among fans), it also drew criticisms, specifically that it was more like a show tune, 'overblown', 'lacking in subtlety', and Rolling Stone's Vince Alleti called it "even cornier than The Greatest Love of All".

All these criticisms went over my head in real time, but I can't seem to get away from them as I learn more about the songs. Considering the list of performers and hit songs the songwriting team that Clive Davis assembled for Whitney's first two album had under their collective belts, I have to wonder about the critics' choice of crying foul about Whitney and not the countless other performers who became stars using a similar if not same formula. I'd like to think it's because Whitney's voice stripped away the illusion of Davis's tried and true formula. :hophead:
 
Tim MaiaDon QuixoteAcenda O Farol
Like Sossego, this is from his Disco Club album. A lyrics translation page says it translates to “light the lighthouse.” It also calls it a euphemism for lighting up a joint. I don’t really know, but marijuana is on point for Tim Maia. All I know is that if I’m alone in the car when this one comes in, I feel an urge to sing along to whatever the hell he is singing.
 
23. Didn't We Almost Have It All (Whitney, 1987)

Co-written over several years by Michael Masser and Will Jennings (Up Where We Belong, Higher Love, Tears in Heaven, My Heart Will Go On), Didn't We Almost Have It All took less than two months to reach #1 on the charts, making it her 5th consecutive single to reach the top. While the song was adored by most (as evidenced by its raging success and popularity among fans), it also drew criticisms, specifically that it was more like a show tune, 'overblown', 'lacking in subtlety', and Rolling Stone's Vince Alleti called it "even cornier than The Greatest Love of All".

All these criticisms went over my head in real time, but I can't seem to get away from them as I learn more about the songs. Considering the list of performers and hit songs the songwriting team that Clive Davis assembled for Whitney's first two album had under their collective belts, I have to wonder about the critics' choice of crying foul about Whitney and not the countless other performers who became stars using a similar if not same formula. I'd like to think it's because Whitney's voice stripped away the illusion of Davis's tried and true formula. :hophead:
Rolling Stone has screwed up the perception of what makes good pop music (& it's history) to such a degree that MAYBE kids that come of age in 2050 will have shaken off the stink.

This isn't my favorite Whitney song, but it just moved up if only to give a finger to Jann Wenner and his merry band of idiots.
 
23. Didn't We Almost Have It All (Whitney, 1987)

Co-written over several years by Michael Masser and Will Jennings (Up Where We Belong, Higher Love, Tears in Heaven, My Heart Will Go On), Didn't We Almost Have It All took less than two months to reach #1 on the charts, making it her 5th consecutive single to reach the top. While the song was adored by most (as evidenced by its raging success and popularity among fans), it also drew criticisms, specifically that it was more like a show tune, 'overblown', 'lacking in subtlety', and Rolling Stone's Vince Alleti called it "even cornier than The Greatest Love of All".

All these criticisms went over my head in real time, but I can't seem to get away from them as I learn more about the songs. Considering the list of performers and hit songs the songwriting team that Clive Davis assembled for Whitney's first two album had under their collective belts, I have to wonder about the critics' choice of crying foul about Whitney and not the countless other performers who became stars using a similar if not same formula. I'd like to think it's because Whitney's voice stripped away the illusion of Davis's tried and true formula. :hophead:
Rolling Stone has screwed up the perception of what makes good pop music (& it's history) to such a degree that MAYBE kids that come of age in 2050 will have shaken off the stink.

This isn't my favorite Whitney song, but it just moved up if only to give a finger to Jann Wenner and his merry band of idiots.
:goodposting:

I take critics with a grain of salt. Everyone can be a critic, and just because one gets paid to do it doesn't mean they're any good at it.

On one hand, I think there was some value for Whitney and her production army to hear some of the points that were made, namely that in just her second album, the songs were already sounding derivative of each other, which can be a turn-off. On the other, critics especially like the ones in my write-up above end up being more attention-seekers than honest evaluators.

Yeah. F those guys, especially for what they ended up bringing down on Whitney.
 
23's PLAYLIST

Ryan StarYambagStay Awhile
As Atlantic showed no interest to support his new song, Ryan Star recorded and self-released a music video for "Stay Awhile" in February 2012, getting attention from MTV Buzzworthy as a breakthrough hit. The video reached over 1 million views on YouTube in August 2012. The song also charted on Hot AC and Adult Pop Songs charts based on radio play.
 
Annie LennoxMrs. RannousLove is a Stranger
Always really liked this.....
My second favorite Eurythmics song
Given how much you like Robyn, I can see why. We're kind of at the point where everything is just so good.

Round 23 - The Eurythmics - Love is a Stranger

The opening track to the album Sweet Dreams. Controversial video here. (And it's not because of the creepy dummy.) MTV wouldn't run it because they thought she was a male cross-dresser. They even asked her record company for a copy of her birth certificate. Some things never seem to change.
 

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