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Male student beats the snot out of female student. WTF? (1 Viewer)

spreagle said:
Probably an unrealistically high expectation of parents to expect a vestigal chivalrous instinct to suddenly flare up within the male students to stop this fight. The boys have been trained since kindergarten that boys and girls are equals, and for all they know equal rights means equal fights. I doubt they have been given examples of exceptions to the the equal rule.
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Good for the boy for treating the girl just like he would any other boy. Dude is a modern day feminist hero imo.

 
I also find it odd all the quotes wondering why the students didn't intervene. Well, maybe they are just following the example set by the adults? Why would a kid intervene when the teachers aren't allowed to do so? Just so dumb all around.

 
Black Box said:
I also find it odd all the quotes wondering why the students didn't intervene. Well, maybe they are just following the example set by the adults? Why would a kid intervene when the teachers aren't allowed to do so? Just so dumb all around.
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The ROTC guy not helping was a little did concerning.

I'm assuming a lot of people didn't intervene because this might be that one crazy big dude that everybody's already scared of.

 
Just heard the Seahawks have signed him after doing some research and determining he was innocent of the accusations.

 
Black Box said:
I also find it odd all the quotes wondering why the students didn't intervene. Well, maybe they are just following the example set by the adults? Why would a kid intervene when the teachers aren't allowed to do so? Just so dumb all around.
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And they'd likely get suspended for getting involved.

 
Foosball God said:
I agree with the lack of family structure causing this. I can't imagine this kid has an everyday father figure.
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Or he watches his mom get the same treatment. I'd have to watch the video again but the first time I saw it it looked like he was trying to strangle her. Very disturbing.Oh and the policy that prohibits teachers from intervening is essentially giving the kids a free pass to fight. They need to hire security who are allowed to snatch that ******* up by his throat.

 
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irish eyes said:
If I was that girl's father (she probably doesn't have one) that boy regardless of his age would be eating through a straw for the rest of his life.
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Agreed. I don't often think this way (anymore) but I'm finding out where he lives and catching him alone.

I'm leaving my cell phone at home as it's unlikely that kid makes it home. He's certainly losing the ability to use his finger and knees.

 
Psychopav said:
GroveDiesel said:
Sabertooth said:
GroveDiesel said:
I know it sucks, but I'm not sure that the school's policy is a bad one. This isn't the 1950s when a kid would never think about hitting a teacher. If a teacher intervenes now, the school not only has more liability because a kid could claim the teacher hurt them, but the teacher gets put in real danger as well. Is it really fair to expect teachers to be security guards too? Especially when schools like that already have a bunch of security? Do we really want to start training all of the teachers in takedowns, submissions, restraints? What if it's a female teacher? Do we expect them to intervene and break up a fight between two boys?
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Nice straw man.
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Huh? If you see two 15 year old gang members fighting in a mall, are you going to go try to break it up, or are you going to call the cops/security?
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Bystander in a mall /= classroom teacher.
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I once broke up a fight at a mall.

It was between two scrawny white dudes ages 17-20. One was on break from the clothing store he was working in (was still wearing his nametag). I was around 30 and out-weighed both of them by about 60 lbs. The guy from the store was clearly winning and the other dude had gone into duck and cover mode, so I walked up and wrapped my arms around the guy who was winning, pinning his arms to his side, and picked him up and carried him away from the other guy so he could get out of there. The dude I picked up never even looked at me, but was just staring down the other guy. I told him to get out of there and he did. It was all very bizarre, but I also never thought anyone was in any real danger. If it was a legit fight or if there were weapons involved I would have never gotten involved.

 
Jayrod said:
Psychopav said:
GroveDiesel said:
Sabertooth said:
GroveDiesel said:
I know it sucks, but I'm not sure that the school's policy is a bad one. This isn't the 1950s when a kid would never think about hitting a teacher. If a teacher intervenes now, the school not only has more liability because a kid could claim the teacher hurt them, but the teacher gets put in real danger as well. Is it really fair to expect teachers to be security guards too? Especially when schools like that already have a bunch of security? Do we really want to start training all of the teachers in takedowns, submissions, restraints? What if it's a female teacher? Do we expect them to intervene and break up a fight between two boys?
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Nice straw man.
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Huh? If you see two 15 year old gang members fighting in a mall, are you going to go try to break it up, or are you going to call the cops/security?
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Bystander in a mall /= classroom teacher.
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I once broke up a fight at a mall.

It was between two scrawny white dudes ages 17-20. One was on break from the clothing store he was working in (was still wearing his nametag). I was around 30 and out-weighed both of them by about 60 lbs. The guy from the store was clearly winning and the other dude had gone into duck and cover mode, so I walked up and wrapped my arms around the guy who was winning, pinning his arms to his side, and picked him up and carried him away from the other guy so he could get out of there. The dude I picked up never even looked at me, but was just staring down the other guy. I told him to get out of there and he did. It was all very bizarre, but I also never thought anyone was in any real danger. If it was a legit fight or if there were weapons involved I would have never gotten involved.
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Maybe the other dude shoplifted and you let him get away. Way to go, GB. :hot:

 
Have we gone and looked for the root cause of why they chose to fight and not discuss their differences over tea and crumpets?

 
E-Z Glider said:
Zow said:
Sabertooth said:
Who writes these policies? Oh yeah, lawyers.
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Yeah this situation is definitely the lawyers fault.
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Dont be silly. The lawyers didnt cause the problem, they just made it worse.
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So we are like BASF, we don't make the problems, we just make the problems worse. I can accept this so long as Bankers, Insurers, pandering politicians, and citizens who have eschewed personal responsibility for their own lives, well being, and those of their children take equal credit.

 
jhib said:
This school needs some Morgan Freeman with a baseball bat.
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Sometimes when my son tells me I have to do something, I tell him the only things I have to do is stay black and die. I should really explain the context to him before he repeats that to his buddies.

 
Al O said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Al O said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Do we know what the girl/said or did just before the fight started? If not, I think we should hold off judgement.
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She told him that only noobs spell judgment with the extra E, and he went off.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgement
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Oh, Teach...http://grammarist.com/spelling/judgment-judgement/
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In British popular usage, judgment was traditionally the preferred form, but judgement has gained ground over the last couple of centuries and is now nearly as common as judgment.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Al O said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Al O said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Do we know what the girl/said or did just before the fight started? If not, I think we should hold off judgement.
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She told him that only noobs spell judgment with the extra E, and he went off.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgement
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Oh, Teach...http://grammarist.com/spelling/judgment-judgement/
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In British popular usage, judgment was traditionally the preferred form, but judgement has gained ground over the last couple of centuries and is now nearly as common as judgment.
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Just because you won't let it die, that was some nice selective cropping you did. How about the opening sentence, chap?"In American English, judgement is generally considered a misspelling of judgment for all uses of the word"

Note: And, yes, I'm aware this is the lamest i-fight ever.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
E-Z Glider said:
Zow said:
Sabertooth said:
Who writes these policies? Oh yeah, lawyers.
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Yeah this situation is definitely the lawyers fault.
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Dont be silly. The lawyers didnt cause the problem, they just made it worse.
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So we are like BASF, we don't make the problems, we just make the problems worse. I can accept this so long as Bankers, Insurers, pandering politicians, and citizens who have eschewed personal responsibility for their own lives, well being, and those of their children take equal credit.
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No problem. Nice of you to own up. Surprising actually.

 
STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:
http://www.wthr.com/story/28984646/watch-ips-investigating-fight-at-northwest-high-school

Indianapolis Public Schools are investigating after cell phone video captured a violent fight involving a male student beating up a female student at Northwest High School.

The video shows a male student viciously beating a girl while a teacher demands that he stop. The beating continues for under a minute, with the male student pulling the girl's hair, throwing her to the floor and repeatedly hitting her in the face.

The video is difficult and painful to watch, yet students say what it shows is not uncommon at Northwest.

"It's normal. It's an everyday thing," said senior Audumn Jessee.

The brutal fight, recorded on video, was in the school hallway Tuesday. Students say it was just one of seven fights at school that day.

Senior Omir Gonzalez witnessed four of them personally.

"There was blood. A lot of hair that was thrown on the floor," Gonzalez recalled.

Tim Lawhorn, who lives across the street from the high school, and used to work security at the apartment complex there, says he often sees fights spill outside the school.

"It happens quite a bit out here - lot of the guys talking about fights and people planning on fighting. Several times we've had to chase them off," Lawhorn said

In this case, a boy badly beat up a girl, with students looking on.

"Look at all those guys standing around...and not attempting to do anything," Lawhorn said, while watching video of the fight.

That video shows a staff member, there when the fight started, scream at the students to stop.

But he doesn't intervene physically.

"The reason why that staff member did not mess in was because there was consideration that other people were gonna jump in and also attack," Gonzalez said.

"I understand it," Lawhorn said. "It's bad because there's nothing those staff members can do but try to do it verbally and that doesn't work."

IPS says in situations like this, staffers are not allowed to put their hands on students. Protocol and policy is to diffuse the situation verbally.

Craig Blume is with the Indiana State Teachers Association. He says under those board rules, teachers cannot physically break up fights.

"You're hired to work under that policy. You have to follow it. A willful refusal to follow a board policy rule or regulation or direct order will get you fired immediately for insubordination," Blume explained.

Without a policy change, Blume says the teachers' response won't change. Getting physically involved, he says, could mean a lawsuit, the loss of their job and further injuries.

"If he'd gotten involved and gotten injured, and then the kid got up and started beating on some other students, is he negligent because he allowed himself to get hurt and didn't protect the rest of the students? Somebody will, a lawyer certainly will make a case out of that any way you go," Blume said. "It's not like the old days for teachers. It's a tough call and really a scary situation. You have an interest in protecting the students but you also have an interest in making sure you don't get harmed."

In Tuesday's fight, students eventually intervened.

But it took awhile.

Some say the kids need to do more to protect each other and lessen the violence in school.

"Basically just be a hero. Go stop it," Lawhorn said. "Don't allow people to do that, not in your presence. Then maybe the message will spread to other students, too."

Eyewitness News spoke with the victim's mother. She told us her daughter is okay and was treated at school for minor injuries. She also says she's upset that the boys in that video just stood around and watched while girls tried to stop the fight.

What's unclear from the video - how close IPS police officers were to the incident and how quickly they responded.

Meanwhile, an IPS spokesperson says they're arranging disciplinary action and, along with IPS Police, are working with the prosecutor on any possible charges.

Eyewitness News has obtained video of a fight in the hallway at Northwest High School. WTHR confirmed that the incident occurred Tuesday.

IPS Schools issued this statement concerning the teacher's actions:

"Northwest Community High School protocol calls for staff members to diffuse the situation verbally, then signal for support from administration and school police. School and district administrators are arranging appropriate disciplinary action, and IPS Police officers are collaborating with the prosecutor's office to determine any potential legal actions. Indianapolis Public Schools' lead administrators are investigating today's situation at Northwest to ensure our students are served in the best possible ways."
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This may explain it. Is that suppose to be Autumn?

 
Al O said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Al O said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Al O said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Do we know what the girl/said or did just before the fight started? If not, I think we should hold off judgement.
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She told him that only noobs spell judgment with the extra E, and he went off.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgement
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Oh, Teach...http://grammarist.com/spelling/judgment-judgement/
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In British popular usage, judgment was traditionally the preferred form, but judgement has gained ground over the last couple of centuries and is now nearly as common as judgment.
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Just because you won't let it die, that was some nice selective cropping you did. How about the opening sentence, chap?"In American English, judgement is generally considered a misspelling of judgment for all uses of the word"

Note: And, yes, I'm aware this is the lamest i-fight ever.
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Hi, I'm Psychopav. Clearly you must be new here.

 
Sabertooth said:
The General said:
Sabertooth said:
Who writes these policies? Oh yeah, lawyers.
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It's ####### people who ultimately sue. The lawyer is just the guy doing their paperwork.
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Are you saying lawyers don't encourage people to sue?
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Sure they do. But not putting this solely on lawyers. People can chose to do the right thing. Laws and bad policy end up getting created when a person sues for a school district for something that they know is BS.

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Do we know what the girl/said or did just before the fight started? If not, I think we should hold off judgement.
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She was probably walking really slow in front of him in the hall and wouldn't let him pass.

 
I was the first person to bring up lawyers. I don't mean to disparage lawyers entirely as it is a bigger issue that goes beyond lawyers. The citizens that file the suits are to blame as well as lawyers that pursue the cases, judges that rule, legislators and the people voting for public officials.

 
Ilov80s said:
Psychopav said:
If my minor child got beaten and there was a teacher there who did not intervene, you bet your ### I'd be on the phone with a lawyer that day to start proceedings against the school. In loco parentis indeed. Unbelievable.
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Blame the lawyers. The teacher isnt supposed to break up a fight because they could injure a kid or "feel up" a student in the process and be sued.
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#### that ####. Lawyers do what their clients, judges, legislators, and juries tell them to do. This is not a lawyer problem this is a society problem.

 
People are litigious. It's not enough that this criminal will be charged and hopefully go to jail. There's at least one poster in this thread suggesting that the girl's parents sue the school. So teacher physically intervenes and people sue. Teacher doesn't physically intervene and people sue. Require the teacher to intervene and the teacher gets hurt? Teacher sues.

 
The General said:
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Do we know what the girl/said or did just before the fight started? If not, I think we should hold off judgement.
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She was probably walking really slow in front of him in the hall and wouldn't let him pass.
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I wonder if there was a really fat big kid on the right side walking the same speed so he couldn't pass on that side either.

 
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