ren hoek
Footballguy
Seems like the whole point of modern day “fact checking” is to reinforce whatever the prevailing mainstream consensus is.
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BladeRunner
Footballguy
Yep! Here's the flow:
Make up some outlandish story that fits THE MESSAGETM --> When questioned on said story, contact fact checking site you own --> fact checking site hurriedly puts up 110% COMPLETELY TRUE "fact check" on story you made up --> Direct questioners to the new "fact check" that proves your story is correct --> Build up enough of these "fact checks" to give your site legitimacy --> sheep point to your site and say "that site is credible because fact check site A confirms all of their stories".
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I mentioned the term "credibility laundering" yesterday with regard to Nicole Hannah Jones. (Person writes a hot take that fits the narrative --> progressive interest group gives her an award --> she now becomes "award winning author" as opposed to "partisan shill"). The dynamic you're describing is another good example of how this works.BladeRunner said:
Sparky Big Time
Footballguy
In part I am gratified. Every move they make adds to the volume of detail that proves the simple concept, CNN is a liberal propaganda machine and is NOT news.
I say, let them keep it up, the more they perform the more people will turn away.
whoknew
Footballguy
Yea I disagree. The US desperately needs to
move away from hyper partisanship and also needs actual news channels reporting news.
Partisan propaganda only makes things worse.
Sparky Big Time
Footballguy
I do not see another way to achieve your preferred outcome, which I would also embrace.
CNN and MSNBC are both well-situation to propagate lies and misinformation. Unless compelled to correct themselves, I surmise that they will continue.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Might be the end for chris at CNN.
New York (CNN Business)CNN said Monday that it will evaluate new information that sheds light on how anchor Chris Cuomo sought to help his brother, former New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, amid a flurry of sexual misconduct allegations earlier this year.
The new information, which included a cache of new documents and transcripts of interviews with investigators, was released Monday by the office of New York Attorney General Letitia James, which led the investigation into allegations against the governor.
The documents indicated that the scope of how the anchor aimed to help his brother was more considerable and that he was more intimately involved than previously known, prompting CNN to initiate a review of the material.
"The thousands of pages of additional transcripts and exhibits that were released today by the NY Attorney General deserve a thorough review and consideration," CNN said in a statement. "We will be having conversations and seeking additional clarity about their significance as they relate to CNN over the next several days."
djmich
Footballguy
oof
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Gosh I hope so, But, of course, they'll just replace him with somebody just as bad or worse.
You would think they would sit back and go, "y'know, maybe we do have an image issue here. Maybe people are right when they accuse us of pushing propaganda and being biased. We need to change that."
I know, wishful thinking.
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I feel pretty confident that CNN made an intentional business decision to be less balanced and more partisan right around the 2016 election. Their coverage became qualitatively different right around that time. I can forgive media outlets for struggling with how to cover Trump, but they never snapped out of it and it's spilled over into their coverage more broadly.
Anyway, I doubt CNN reverses course. This is what they wanted.
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Sparky Big Time
Footballguy
Agree. They were once a reputable source. They actually became what Trump was calling them....
It is remarkable, and I think they thought that the change was good because viewership rose so they doubled-down. But without Trump they are little more than an SNL skit.
A reputable "news" company would at least put Cuomo on suspension pending their investigation of the allegations. Cuomo was on the air last night and so far there is no indication he will not be tonight. Whether he's ultimately fired or not this makes CNN look pretty bad.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Again, it's important to remember that the chief legal analyst for CNN whacked off during a Zoom call at work. He's still employed by CNN and regularly appears on air. I don't know what it takes to get fired from CNN, and it's hard to even speculate where the line might be given some of the stuff that they've let slide.
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Max Power
Footballguy
Fact Check: Misleading. This statement implies he finished, but he actually stopped midway through.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Misleading? @IvanKaramazov spelled "Chief Legal Analyst" using all lowercase letters, which is clearly a grammar error.
Per these "fact checking" sites, that's an no-brainer "Pants on Fire"
All of his observations can now be discarded as false.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
He gone
Define gone. I just saw he has been put on indefinite suspension. IIRC that's what happened to Toobin, and he was then reinstated a few months later.
Dickies
Footballguy
Didn’t know whether to post this here or in the Fauci thread
Fox News host Lara Logan compares Fauci to Josef Mengele
Just an absurdly terrible and offensive take.
Fox News host Lara Logan compares Fauci to Josef Mengele
Just an absurdly terrible and offensive take.
Max Power
Footballguy
https://twitter.com/steveoatley/status/1465821129747140612?s=20
BREAKING: Bodycam footage CONFIRMS NBC Producer told associate producer to follow Rittenhouse Jurors
BREAKING: Bodycam footage CONFIRMS NBC Producer told associate producer to follow Rittenhouse Jurors
Agreed. Awful. I thought we were hopefully done with the lazy and ridiculous "nazi" comparison hot takes.
Sparky Big Time
Footballguy
It was dumb. I never met Mengele, and while I have met Fauci and find him detestable, he is certainly not Mengele.....
Now, is he a politically-bent bureaucrat lining up for a post-government gig with some big pharma-type...oh yes.....THAT is Fauci for sure.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Thats awful. Just trying to follow people involved with the case? Lol. That's one way to say follow the jury.
Max Power
Footballguy
It's unacceptable and I wish the media cared enough to hold themselves accountable. This is leading our country down the wrong path, and we're complicit in it.
jamny
Footballguy
And they admit that they had multiple people doing it. This guy just happened to get caught.
Disgusting.
Sparky Big Time
Footballguy
The MSM has become too aligned to the leftists, and the notion that they can do this because they are "just" and their cause is "moral" and therefore THEY can engage in immorality as a result.
MSNBC has become ever more militant in its racial hatred.
Nothing about this surprises me. Not the willful disregard for events that do not feed their bias, nor their inappropriate representations of events that are obviously factually false.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Of course. Like clock-work. We need a media revolution to overthrow the propogandists.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
It is no wonder people don`t trust national media to give us unbiased news.
The Washington Post posted a tweet last week claiming the Waukesha tragedy was “caused by an SUV,” not by Brooks. Even after Brooks was publicly identified as the driver by law enforcement, MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow refused to mention him by name, only referring to him as “a suspect” during her segment.
It’s difficult to interpret this as anything but an intentional media black-out of Brooks.
There are several possible reasons for it. One is that Brooks was out on bail — a damning fact for Milwaukee’s soft-on-crime leftist district attorney, John Chisholm. Chisholm once admitted in 2007 that his approach might get people hurt. “Is there going to be an individual I divert, or I put into a treatment program, who is going to go out and kill somebody?" he asked. "You bet. It’s guaranteed to happen. It does not invalidate the overall approach.”
Another problem is that Brooks seems to have been subject to the media's hysterical efforts to generate national racial resentment over the last 18 months or so. Social media postings believed to be Brooks’s show that he believed in “white privilege,” supported the Black Lives Matter movement, and hated the police. He also allegedly condemned the Rittenhouse verdict and said he wasn’t surprised by it “one bit.”
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Regardless of the tweet the overall lack of coverage and lack of talking about the driver is very telling don`t you agree?
If a white driver plowed through a black crowd would the coverage have been the same as this? If you are being honest you know it would not. It would be more of "WHITE DRIVER PLOWS THROUGH BLACK PARADE" "Racist Joe Smith who had racist posts on his FB page drove through a black crowd today killing 6 black people"
You know that would be the case.
sho nuff
Footballguy
What else is there to talk about with him? There hasn't been anything new coming out. We know what we know about him already. Not sure its all that telling at this point. The story was a top story for a while...still seeing stories on my local ABC at times.
If a white driver plowed through a typical parade...with no motivation known at the moment as far as race...I think it would be about the same. If they went through a BLM type parade...it would be different. As would this coverage have been different if it was a political type parade.
Is there any actual evidence that race played any motivation to this?
AT the moment...the complaint seems to be that this has been reported like many who complain about the media want all things to be reported.
1. The Wall Street Journal is read by the people who run the country.
2. The Washington Post is read by people who think they run the country.
3. The New York Times is read by people who think they should run the
country and who are very good at crossword puzzles.
4. USA Today is read by people who think they ought to run the country, but
don't really understand The New York Times. They do, however, like their
statistics shown in pie charts.
5. The Los Angeles Times is read by people who wouldn't mind running the
country--if they could find the time, and if they didn't have to leave Southern
California to do it.
6. The Boston Globe is read by people whose parents used to run the country
and did a poor job of it, thank you very much.
7. The New York Daily News is read by people who aren't too sure who's
running the country and don't really care as long as they can get a seat on the
train.
8. The New York Post is read by people who don't care who is running the
country as long as they do something really scandalous, preferably while
intoxicated, and who like their news as pictures or cartoons.
9. The Miami Herald is read by people who are running another country, but
need the baseball scores.
10. The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren't sure if there
is a country or that anyone is running it; but if so, they oppose all that they
stand for. There are occasional exceptions if the leaders are handicapped minority feminist atheist dwarfs who also happen to be illegal aliens from any other country or galaxy, provided, of course, that they are not Republicans.
11. The National Enquirer is read by people trapped in line at the grocery
store.
12. The Seattle Times is read by people who have recently caught a fish and
need something in which to wrap it.
2. The Washington Post is read by people who think they run the country.
3. The New York Times is read by people who think they should run the
country and who are very good at crossword puzzles.
4. USA Today is read by people who think they ought to run the country, but
don't really understand The New York Times. They do, however, like their
statistics shown in pie charts.
5. The Los Angeles Times is read by people who wouldn't mind running the
country--if they could find the time, and if they didn't have to leave Southern
California to do it.
6. The Boston Globe is read by people whose parents used to run the country
and did a poor job of it, thank you very much.
7. The New York Daily News is read by people who aren't too sure who's
running the country and don't really care as long as they can get a seat on the
train.
8. The New York Post is read by people who don't care who is running the
country as long as they do something really scandalous, preferably while
intoxicated, and who like their news as pictures or cartoons.
9. The Miami Herald is read by people who are running another country, but
need the baseball scores.
10. The San Francisco Chronicle is read by people who aren't sure if there
is a country or that anyone is running it; but if so, they oppose all that they
stand for. There are occasional exceptions if the leaders are handicapped minority feminist atheist dwarfs who also happen to be illegal aliens from any other country or galaxy, provided, of course, that they are not Republicans.
11. The National Enquirer is read by people trapped in line at the grocery
store.
12. The Seattle Times is read by people who have recently caught a fish and
need something in which to wrap it.
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
Crazy it took most of the other mainstream sources to start piling on reporting about this for CNN to finally get this done.
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
CNN was likely playing the long game, hoping the suspension would appease most, and then they could reinstate Cuomo quietly after most had forgotten about it, but with the piling on, they probably realized they had no choice but to cut the cord.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Lis Smith went from screwing Elliot Spitzer behind his wife's back, to working to discredit and strategize against women who'd made sexual harassment allegations against Andrew Cuomo, before ultimately running the angel mayor pete boy's failed campaign. The absolute gutter-tier sleaze of these campaign operatives, it says a lot about the nature of govt & power.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Excellent!
Now, can they do the right thing and get rid of Toobin, Seltzer and Lemon too? That would go a LONG way toward regaining credibility again.
ren hoek
Footballguy
This NYT article doesn’t mention in the headline (and not in the piece, until 8 paragraphs down) that Afghans are being crushed by US sanctions. They are “gripped by starvation,” but why?
Since the Taliban seized power, the United States and other Western donors have grappled with delicate questions over how to avert a humanitarian catastrophe in Afghanistan without granting the new regime legitimacy by removing sanctions or putting money directly into the Taliban’s hands.
“We believe that it’s essential that we maintain our sanctions against the Taliban but at the same time find ways for legitimate humanitarian assistance to get to the Afghan people. That’s exactly what we’re doing,” the deputy U.S. Treasury secretary, Wally Adeyemo, told the Senate Banking Committee in October.
I don’t know how the NYT sees fit to frame the choice of humanitarian catastrophe or ‘legitimizing a regime’ as a “delicate question.” It is a delicate question not to starve a country into submission on the off chance it grants legitimacy to the reigning government? We already legitimize brutal regimes in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt etc. They are always #####footing around calling things as they actually are.
Since the Taliban seized power, the United States and other Western donors have grappled with delicate questions over how to avert a humanitarian catastrophe in Afghanistan without granting the new regime legitimacy by removing sanctions or putting money directly into the Taliban’s hands.
“We believe that it’s essential that we maintain our sanctions against the Taliban but at the same time find ways for legitimate humanitarian assistance to get to the Afghan people. That’s exactly what we’re doing,” the deputy U.S. Treasury secretary, Wally Adeyemo, told the Senate Banking Committee in October.
I don’t know how the NYT sees fit to frame the choice of humanitarian catastrophe or ‘legitimizing a regime’ as a “delicate question.” It is a delicate question not to starve a country into submission on the off chance it grants legitimacy to the reigning government? We already legitimize brutal regimes in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt etc. They are always #####footing around calling things as they actually are.
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So Jussie Smollett today testified that one of the reasons he didn't want to turn his phone over to the Chicago PD was that Don Lemon had texted him that that the Chicago PD didn't believe his story. If true, that's another CNN anchor using knowledge he gained as a reporter to help someone being investigated. Just like Cuomo. Does CNN fire him as well? Do they not teach journalism ethics at CNN?
Max Power
Footballguy
CNN is just gossip news these days. They have lost all credibility. Watching Cuomo and CNN square off in a truth telling contest is a prime example of where that company is.
crackattack
Footballguy
Are people still pretending that media bias doesn't exist? That the media aren't mostly activists with an agenda? It's been obvious for years.
Boston
Footballguy
This really isn't a good look:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/12/07/cnn-white-house-n2600244
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/leahbarkoukis/2021/12/07/cnn-white-house-n2600244
Max Power
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
