Michael Vick or Ben Roethlisberger? (1 Viewer)

[Steelfan7]

Based on the pics of the Reno woman extorting Ben, why isn't he up on dog cruelty charges?

 

[Happy Ragnarok]

Would I let Vick walk my dog?.......yup.Would I let Ben go out with my daughter?.....hell no

I wish that I would have thought about it in those terms before I voted.

Why the screaming, holy #### would any of you let Vick walk your dog?

I put an extremely high value on our three daughter's. There is no way that I would have allowed any of them to date someone with Ben's track record.

What does that have to do with letting Vick walk your dog? I can't imagine any scenario where I'd consent to either of those things.

 

[Iwannabeacowboybaby!]

Come on, I am not rooting for either of these guys. I don't wish anything bad on either but by picking the lesser of two evils (Vick's crime) doesn't make what Vick did now make me want to root for him.

Both of these guys are a disgrace to the league.

I imagine most people who posted in this thread wouldn't root for either as well, BUT the poll ask if you HAD to root for one which would it be.

I'm rooting equally for them and it's about at zero for both.

The poll said you had to root for one so your answer is still not valid.

I know what the poll said, I'm going along with the theme of the thread and not following the rules like Big Ben and Mike Vick.I don't really understand what the question is really trying to ask because it seems like a no brainer. If you take all things out of the equation except what they did, one guy killed dogs and another guy most likely has raped and abused women. Most people will think that raping and abusing women is worse than killing a dog.

What I'm saying is both guys crossed the line of no return. There is NO rooting for either of these guys, so I root fot them equally.

I happen to love dogs, have all my life. Because Ben Roethlesberger raped or did whatever he did to these women does not make me want to root for Mike Vick in anyway.

If you want to ask me what do I think is worse, killing a dog or raping a women you just have to ask that question. I think raping a woman or even worse women is worse, much worse.

 

[DawgPoundNJ]

As a dog lover and a women lover, I wouldn't root for either of these guys.

Even if they were playing al Qaeda and bin Laden was quarterback.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Vick by a lot.

i'd much rather have someone kill my dog than abuse my wife/daughter.

allegedly

Yes, I would much rather have someone kill my dog than allegedly abuse my wife/daughter.

 

[Sea Bass]

Vick by a lot.

i'd much rather have someone kill my dog than abuse my wife/daughter.

allegedly

Yes, I would much rather have someone kill my dog than allegedly abuse my wife/daughter.

I don't see how any parent of a daughter could disagree with you.

 

[meanjoegreen]

I don't really understand what the question is really trying to ask because it seems like a no brainer. If you take all things out of the equation except what they did, one guy killed dogs and another guy most likely has raped and abused women. Most people will think that raping and abusing women is worse than killing a dog.

Nobody other than the women, and I don't know if the Georgia girl really remembers exactly what happened, know if Ben raped them. It is clear that Ben continued to feed drinks to an already intoxicated girl who is barely out of her teens, knowing that it would only further blur her judgement and make her more vulnerable mentally and physically to his advances. His taking her into the bathroom and having body guards block it is also alarming, as is his behavior of exposing himself to women, and him obviously learning nothing from the incident with the first woman. But nobody knows if he already crossed the line in sexually assaulting a woman, but if he hasn't already, he will cross that line unless he gets help and knows that his behavior is bad and he wants to change it. He should also stop drinking. There is no doubt that he is a scumbag, but there is not enough proof that he has crossed the line in being a rapist.

 

[Matt Waldman]

I already feel like I need several showers to rinse the grime off me just considering either one of them. From a legal standpoint, I have to root for Little Ben because Vick was charged and convicted of crimes and Vick was involved in the taking of life. However, if my choice were to cheer for either one or I could never watch football again, I could say easily that I'd never watch football again.

 

[Sea Bass]

Joe, also in answer to your main question, and I know this may anger some people, but I truly believe there is an element of racism in many people's reactions as well. Quite simply, society holds white people to a higher standard. If you look around the NFL, its almost as if we expect Blacks, especially those from poor backgrounds, to behave like scum, to hit their wives and girlfriends, to get in trouble with the law. So long as they perform on the field, its all good.But when a white guy gets in trouble, everyone is morally outraged and we are all much quicker to condemn him now and forever. There is no forgiveness, and he needs to be sent packing. Because what's unstated is that as a white athlete he's supposed to have superior ethics and be a role model. Thus, the outrage is much greater.

This doesn't seem like a view that you would have.

 

[Yenrub]

Joe, also in answer to your main question, and I know this may anger some people, but I truly believe there is an element of racism in many people's reactions as well. Quite simply, society holds white people to a higher standard. If you look around the NFL, its almost as if we expect Blacks, especially those from poor backgrounds, to behave like scum, to hit their wives and girlfriends, to get in trouble with the law. So long as they perform on the field, its all good.But when a white guy gets in trouble, everyone is morally outraged and we are all much quicker to condemn him now and forever. There is no forgiveness, and he needs to be sent packing. Because what's unstated is that as a white athlete he's supposed to have superior ethics and be a role model. Thus, the outrage is much greater.

Did it ever cross your mind while typing this response that the reason this is getting so much 'outrage' is because the person involved is...A QB (considered to be most important position on the field and often the so called face of a franchise) Is 2 time Super Bowl wining QB QB of one of the most popular teams in the NFL

 

[Stillers Jr.]

Wow...just what this board needs...more gasoline dumped on the Towering Inferno that is Ben Roethlisberger...

Was there even a question as to which option people would vote for or weren't the 3000 pages of BB bashing enough?



I expect BS like this from some of the mindless troglodytes on this board, but not the owner??? A little disappointed in this palce.

 

[Multiple Scores]

Vick by a little based on his "apology"

Can't stand either guy but at least Vick appears remorseful.

 

[Joe Bryant]

Wow...just what this board needs...more gasoline dumped on the Towering Inferno that is Ben Roethlisberger...Was there even a question as to which option people would vote for or weren't the 3000 pages of BB bashing enough? I expect BS like this from some of the mindless troglodytes on this board, but not the owner??? A little disappointed in this palce.

Definitely was a question - I was asking how folks compared Vick to Roethlisberger. And the poll results were pretty interesting. Looks pretty even. J

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

Hmmm.

I don't hate either. I root for Vick more b/c he's the underdog here.

 

[KnowledgeReignsSupreme]

48% to 37% in favor of Vick. Very interesting.

 

[phthalatemagic]

Who would you root for if you had to choose one?

A person that lets their dog drown in a lake

A person that lets a stranger drown in a lake

 

[delusional]

Roth.

Vick murder dogs in cold blood.

Roth did nothing but broke a moral standard, even that is a fne line because as far as we know, he didnt do anything ( no rape at all )

 

[PatsFanCT]

Roth. Vick murder dogs in cold blood. Roth did nothing but broke a moral standard, even that is a fne line because as far as we know, he didnt do anything ( no rape at all )

Love the irony of your user name here. Solid work.

 

[johnnyboy8102]

After the police report details have leaked out, how can anyone choose Ben in this?

If you care more about dogs there is something wrong with you.

 

[Michael Fox Fan]

I would be interested in seeing the poll results for Steeler fans vs non-Steeler fans

I don't think you'd see the bias you might expect to. Plenty of Steeler fans on the board are disgusted with Roethlisberger and have said so. I don't think it's fair to lump them all together, they all have individual views.

I didn't necessarily expect to see a bias. I was curious to find out whether there was none, some, or a strong bias.

 

[Dr. Awesome]

Who would you root for if you had to choose one?A person that lets their dog drown in a lakeA person that lets a stranger drown in a lake

A person that lets a stranger's dog drown in a lake

 

[omally]

After the police report details have leaked out, how can anyone choose Ben in this?

The DA read the police reports, did his own investigation, read and saw all of the evidence and said there wasn't enough for probable cause.

 

[Tecumseh]

After the police report details have leaked out, how can anyone choose Ben in this?

The DA read the police reports, did his own investigation, read and saw all of the evidence and said there wasn't enough for probable cause.

No, he said there wasn't enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Big difference.Seems pretty safe to say that Ben paid this chick off. As we saw in the OJ trial, the burden of proof is far less in a civil trial.

 

[Kev4029]

After the police report details have leaked out, how can anyone choose Ben in this?

The DA read the police reports, did his own investigation, read and saw all of the evidence and said there wasn't enough for probable cause.

High profile court cases are very expensive. The DA isn't going to press charges unless he thinks he thinks the offender is going to get convicted. That doesn't mean that the DA didn't think BB was guilty, the DA just wasn't convinced there would be a conviction. It seems like the cop/cops dropped the ball on an chance of a conviction, if in fact BB did rape her.

 

[omally]

After the police report details have leaked out, how can anyone choose Ben in this?

The DA read the police reports, did his own investigation, read and saw all of the evidence and said there wasn't enough for probable cause.

No, he said there wasn't enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Big difference.

Yes, he did say it.This is from the transcript of Bright's statement. This was during the Q&A's with him:

Q: What about probable cause though?A: I live in the world of ‘beyond a reasonable doubt.’ An honest answer: It’s debatable. If you want my candid feeling, looking at all the evidence here, we don’t even have probable cause. Probable cause is the standard to make an arrest, and we did not have probable cause. No arrest was made in this case, so there’s no warrant to dismiss. We didn’t even have probable cause in this case.

 

[Steelfan7]

After the police report details have leaked out, how can anyone choose Ben in this?

The DA read the police reports, did his own investigation, read and saw all of the evidence and said there wasn't enough for probable cause.

No, he said there wasn't enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Big difference.Seems pretty safe to say that Ben paid this chick off. As we saw in the OJ trial, the burden of proof is far less in a civil trial.

This board is getting ridiculous.

 

[Steelfan7]

After the police report details have leaked out, how can anyone choose Ben in this?

The DA read the police reports, did his own investigation, read and saw all of the evidence and said there wasn't enough for probable cause.

No, he said there wasn't enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Big difference.

Yes, he did say it.This is from the transcript of Bright's statement. This was during the Q&A's with him:

Q: What about probable cause though?A: I live in the world of ‘beyond a reasonable doubt.’ An honest answer: It’s debatable. If you want my candid feeling, looking at all the evidence here, we don’t even have probable cause. Probable cause is the standard to make an arrest, and we did not have probable cause. No arrest was made in this case, so there’s no warrant to dismiss. We didn’t even have probable cause in this case.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Not really sure if this is Shark Pool material

it's not.it's also the kind of thread that encourages the worst in people and ends up locked.if it was anybody else, I'd have to post up the fishing smiley.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Wow...just what this board needs...more gasoline dumped on the Towering Inferno that is Ben Roethlisberger...Was there even a question as to which option people would vote for or weren't the 3000 pages of BB bashing enough?

yeah, they really hate belichick here --- I think bryant is a jets fan.hey, wait....was belichick on this poll......?

 

[Tecumseh]

After the police report details have leaked out, how can anyone choose Ben in this?

The DA read the police reports, did his own investigation, read and saw all of the evidence and said there wasn't enough for probable cause.

No, he said there wasn't enough to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. Big difference.

Yes, he did say it.This is from the transcript of Bright's statement. This was during the Q&A's with him:

Q: What about probable cause though?A: I live in the world of ‘beyond a reasonable doubt.’ An honest answer: It’s debatable. If you want my candid feeling, looking at all the evidence here, we don’t even have probable cause. Probable cause is the standard to make an arrest, and we did not have probable cause. No arrest was made in this case, so there’s no warrant to dismiss. We didn’t even have probable cause in this case.

Gotcha. Didn't see that before.

 

[TheDirtyWord]

I voted for Vick by a little...

What I will say is this...I do feel in a sense that BB has gotten away with something. How severe his actions were from a criminal standpoint, it appears we'll never know. At the end of the day, this simply qualifies as 'closest of calls' for him. He'll lose a couple of million in salary but by mid-October, will be back and doing what he does. Has he learned his lesson? We'll find out, but I also think the defiance he carried himself with upon the Andrea McNulty accusation now seems awfully self-righteous.

Vick on the other hand lost everything. Deservedly so, but he went back to square one...maybe even square negative one. He's since spoken about the remorse he's felt, not only as it relates to his criminal activity but his overall professional approach and how 'he blew it'. While many people are still too disgusted to even give him the time of day, he...

1) served his time, 18 months in Leavenworth

2) publicly fell on his sword. While this was going to be inevitable for him to reclaim any standing, doing it counts.

3) as far as I can tell, he's gone about the business of re-building his life properly

...do I think Vick deserves any accolades for this? No. His crimes were too heinous, but he's earned IMO a legitimate second chance. Ben's appears to have been gifted to him.

 

[CrossEyed]

At the moment, Vick by a lot. But hey, I'd save the stranger.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

On the people vs. dogs thing, if someone told me about two random guys (not NFL players), one of whom is sleazy and gets 20 year-olds drunk to bang them, and one who violently killed a bunch of his pit fighting dogs, I would say the dog guy is more likely to seriously injure or kill a human in the future.

 

[Ghost Rider]

These results are interesting, but if the Vick thing had just happened, and the Roethlisberger thing was years ago, the results would probably be reversed a bit, as people in general are gonna react more to what is happening now rather than what happened years ago. Then again, people don't forget about alleged sexual assaults. That is something that you can never fully shake, so BR is gonna have that tag on him as long as he keeps playing. Some will forget about it or at least consider it a non-issue, and some will not. The way this played out actually hurt Roethlisberger, as many think he got away with sexual assault without ever being charged. Right or wrong, that is how a lot of people think, and that is gonna haunt him for a long time, at least in the public eye.

 

[gianmarco]

On the people vs. dogs thing, if someone told me about two random guys (not NFL players), one of whom is sleazy and gets 20 year-olds drunk to bang them, and one who violently killed a bunch of his pit fighting dogs, I would say the dog guy is more likely to seriously injure or kill a human in the future.

So? You can rape 20 women without seriously injuring or killing someone. Is that ok with you?I'd say someone who has multiple accusations of sexually assaulting women by blocking their exit, blocking friends from accessing them, pulling out GrayBen unsolicited, and other repeated similar accounts is more likely to rape a woman than a person who violently kills dogs is likely to progress onto humans.

 

[BassNBrew]

Vick by a lot.

i'd much rather have someone kill my dog than abuse my wife/daughter.

allegedly

Yes, I would much rather have someone kill my dog than allegedly abuse my wife/daughter.

I don't see how any parent of a daughter could disagree with you.

Just a quick tip for you parents with a daughter....be sure to instill the values to abstain from alcohol and sex until marriage otherwise your daughter will allegedly abuse your daughter at some point in time.

 

[BassNBrew]

On the people vs. dogs thing, if someone told me about two random guys (not NFL players), one of whom is sleazy and gets 20 year-olds drunk to bang them, and one who violently killed a bunch of his pit fighting dogs, I would say the dog guy is more likely to seriously injure or kill a human in the future.

So? You can rape 20 women without seriously injuring or killing someone. Is that ok with you?I'd say someone who has multiple accusations of sexually assaulting women by blocking their exit, blocking friends from accessing them, pulling out GrayBen unsolicited, and other repeated similar accounts is more likely to rape a woman than a person who violently kills dogs is likely to progress onto humans.

So Ben has raped 20 women now?

 

[fatness]

Just a quick tip for you parents with a daughter....be sure to instill the values to abstain from alcohol and sex until marriage otherwise your daughter will allegedly abuse your daughter at some point in time.

What?