Minneapolis Ballot Harvester Paid Cash For 2020 Absentee Ballot / Ilhan Omar Implicated (2/1 17:41 PST) (3 Viewers)

[GordonGekko]

TOPIC NARRATIVE:

Video and audio show a hand to hand where a ballot harvester in Minneapolis, alleged to work for Congresswoman Ilhan Omar, gives cash in exchange for confirming the surrender later of a blank absentee ballot. More interviews, audio and video discuss a heavily funded and coordinated system ( including databases, use of interpreters to cast votes, taking advantage of first generation immigrants and abuse of the elderly) to harvest ballots and commit election and voter fraud.

Many American citizens and many in the mainstream media believe there is no voter/election fraud, or will claim that it is not widespread nor highly organized nor heavily funded or will suggest any host of reasons to deny it's existence.

Any kind of voter/election fraud cheats those who voted legally and in good faith. It dishonors those throughout American history who gave their lives for our freedom and our right to vote.

QUESTIONS TO RAISE OPEN DISCUSSION:

Do you believe that mail in/absentee ballots are "safe" for a secure and free and fair election?

Would you like to see reform of the current usage of mail in/absentee ballots? What changes would you make?

Do you support a nation wide mandatory federal voter ID? (i.e. to limit absentee ballot fraud) Why or why not?

What is your opinion on Congresswoman Ilhan Omar in general?

Do you have any viewpoints/opinions on accusations that Omar has committed campaign finance fraud and has said antisemitic/inflammatory  remarks ( as this relates to the general perception of her integrity, which would cast greater or less doubt as to these video accusations)?

What is your opinion on the "For The People Act", which would expand the number of drop boxes and carries a provision in the bill that prevents all states from requiring voters to provide identification in order to obtain an absentee ballot, in light of these videos and allegations?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/For_the_People_Act

https://www.congress.gov/117/bills/hr1/BILLS-117hr1ih.pdf

What is your opinion on the "Vote At Home Act", which would require all registered voters to be sent mail-in ballots prior to (that respective) Election Day and automatically register to vote all US citizens with a driver’s license, in light of these videos and allegations?

https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Vote at Home Act of 2021.pdf

******MAIN VIDEO******: Omar Connected Harvester SEEN Exchanging $200 for General Election Ballot."We don't care illegal." •Sep 28, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MV7oDl8yDZk

******MAIN VIDEO******: Ilhan Omar connected Ballot Harvester in cash-for-ballots scheme: "Car is full" of absentee ballots •Sep 27, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWK56l2VaLY

Direct Headline: Minneapolis Ballot Harvester Paid Money for Absentee Ballot: Watchdog

By Zachary Stieber September 29, 2020

https://www.theepochtimes.com/minneapolis-ballot-harvester-paid-money-for-absentee-ballot-watchdog_3518505.html

 

[GordonGekko]

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".... ( Liban Mohamed/Osman,  says he has hundreds of blank absentee ballots in his car)..... 'You can see my car is full (of blank ballots to be illegally used to vote for Jamal Osman)....money is everything, money is (the) king ( to buy votes)'......"

".... ( Osman Ali Dahquane,  phone conversation with Omar Jamal of the Somali Watchdog organization)..... 'I got ( was given) money... for my vote ( i.e.  absentee ballot)....we take (all) the money and give you your votes.... we don't care ( if it's illegal)....until someone is arrested (for this)...no one will be afraid (of the punishment)'......"

"...(Omar Jamal)...'there are millions of dollars (being spent to buy votes)....so that 80 thousand to 100 thousand (votes).... will vote one (specific way) and turn the (2020 general) election....it's always been an open secret (here) and everyone ( in this community) knows about it....they (Ilhan Omar and her people) are taking advantage of first generation immigrants (who don't know English/don't understand American voting)'....."

"....(Ballot Harvester)....'Ilhan Omar came up with this (strategy)...( asked if Omar has her own hired people count the ballots by working at the voting precincts)...yes, the same people (Progressives) who work the polling booths/areas...they shouldn't have the same job ( i.e. working at polling stations/election administration and ballot harvesting at the same time)....they take ballots from the elderly (by going to their homes and demanding them)....the money is being (funneled) by Ali Isse Gainey (Ilham Omar's Deputy Director/Campaign Chair)....the campaign has a database and they track them (all the votes and ballots in the Somali community).....(out of district) people are getting temporary addresses ( for 30 days just to vote).... "

".... ( Osman Ali Dahquane)..... 'I sent money ( gotten from selling his vote, back home to Somalia Ministry of Interior for a business license) ... I sent 2 thousand dollars...(cash)  to Mogadishu (to help Al-Qaeda start a business there)....the election judges (in Minneapolis) are also getting paid (by Ilhan Omar)'......"

"....(Ballot Harvester)....'they (Ilhan Omar's people) make you vote (the way they want)...then give you money afterwards (in the car/vehicle after you've voted)...the interpreters come into the booth (with the people being paid i.e. allowed by election law to have translator)...the interpreters mark the ballots (for those people)...."

".....(Former Political Worker claims Omar is being funded by a Palestinian with a specific agenda against Israel)...'Omar's goal ( by amassing power and the true end game)...is to eventually stop all (future) money going into Israel...."

"....( Jeremy Slevin, Ilhan Omar's campaign spokesperson)....'(these videos are not true/misinformation) they are coordinated a right-wing effort.... to delegitimize/slander..... a free and fair (2020) election'.........”

"......(Ilhan Omar, in response to the videos/accusations) .....'shared a social media posting..... from her daughter that (made the) claim....(that anyone who) believed Omar was (directly) involved in a voter fraud scheme.... are racist'....."

“....(Jamal Osman, who beat 10 other candidates to win in 2020) ....'I stated (in public) the importance of running a positive and ethical campaign..... (And) I condemn any behavior that contradicts these values'...."

".... ( Liban Mohamed/Osman,  after being implicated/investigated by the videos)..... 'told reporters, he was collecting mail-in ballots (only a maximum of 20 and not 300 as he claimed via audio) from the sick and elderly (who could not go to the voting/polling stations themselves)....said the money being shown paid to a voter for his ballot was actually for a sick child back in Somalia'...."

 

[GordonGekko]

CONTEXTUAL MATERIAL:

Direct Headline: Lawmakers introduce legislation to massively expand mail-in voting

The Vote at Home Act would require all registered voters to be sent mail-in ballots prior to Election Day, guarantee that voters had the option to either vote by mail or vote in person at the polls and enact automatic voter registration for all citizens with driver’s licenses or permits. 

By Maggie Miller - 01/28/21 03:06 PM EST

https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/536347-lawmakers-introduce-legislation-to-allow-massively-expand-mail-in-voting

https://www.wyden.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/Vote at Home Act of 2021.pdf

US ELECTION LAWS VIOLATED:

52 USC 10357(e) / Voting more than once

52 USC 10357(c) / False information in registering or voting

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/52/10307

18 USC 597 / Expenditures to influence voting

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/597

VIDEO: Tulsi Gabbard slams ballot harvesting •Sep 28, 2020

Earlier this month, Rep. Tulsi Gabbard took aim at ballot harvesting, saying it "poses a serious threat to the integrity of our elections."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19n9L0Fg96A

Direct Headline: Rep. Omar Calls Ballot Harvesting Allegations ‘Misinformation’

By Zachary Stieber  October 8, 2020

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_app/rep-omar-says-ballot-harvesting-allegations-misinformation_3530986.html

VIDEO: Subject of Project Veritas voter fraud story says he was offered bribe •Oct 6, 2020

In his first interview, Liban Osman tells the FOX 9 Investigators he was offered $10,000 by community activist Omar Jamal to say he was collecting ballots for Congresswoman Ilhan Omar.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WzFGVEEB0Yw

 

[GordonGekko]

CONTEXTUAL MATERIAL (CAMPAIGN FINANCE FRAUD ALLEGATIONS):

VIDEO: Ilhan Omar Cuts Ties With Husband’s Consulting Firm After Nearly $3 Million In Campaign Payments •Nov 16, 2020

Omar’s campaign was the largest known client of Tim Mynett’s firm, E Street Group, having paid the firm $2.78 million since July 2019, ... Omar’s financial relationship with the firm first came under considerable scrutiny in August 2019 when both she and Mynett were married to other individuals.  Omar’s campaign had disbursed $21,547 to cover travel expenses for E Street Group from April through June 2018. The payments coincided with the alleged start of Omar’s affair with Mynett, according to an FEC complaint filed by the conservative National Legal and Policy Center arguing that the campaign funds were illegally used to further Omar’s romantic affair with the consultant.  Omar and Mynett divorced their respective spouses by the end of 2019, all the while denying they were having an affair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qVDppJqUWSs

VIDEO: Omar Declines to Address Alleged Affair with Her Paid Campaign Consultant  Sep 18, 2019

In a recent divorce filing, Beth Mynett claimed her husband Tim Mynett had an affair with Rep. Ilhan Omar (D-Minn.) while her campaign was paying him for political consulting services but Omar refused to address the allegation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRBZ6b2iKho

VIDEO: Carney Crunches the Numbers: Ilhan Omar’s grifty and sordid reelection campaign •Jul 21, 2020

Ilhan Omar has spent $2.97 million on her reelection this year. If you set aside refunds and transfers, her operating expenditures are $2.59 million. Only five members of Congress have spent more on operating expenditures so far this cycle. Where is all that money going? Much of it is going to her husband.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOMPVSNK4Y4

VIDEO: Representative llhan Omar Facing Backlash For 9/11 Comments | NBC Nightly News •Apr 11, 2019

“CAIR was founded after 9/11 because they recognized that some people did something and that all of us were starting to lose access to our civil liberties,” Rep. Omar told the Council on American Islamic Relations.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gffA7eG8aDg

 

[GordonGekko]

CONTEXTUAL MATERIAL (ANTISEMITISM ACCUSATIONS):

VIDEO: Rep. Ilhan Omar apologizes for tweets after facing accusations of antisemitism •Feb 11, 2019

Democratic congresswoman's apology came after a flurry of bipartisan criticism; Doug McKelway reports from Washington.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LG7niHa0wNA

VIDEO: Rep. Ilhan Omar gets upset with CNN reporter: What is wrong with you? •Feb 13, 2019

Freshman Congresswoman Ilhan Omar (D-MN) has received fallout from both sides of the aisle over a series of tweets widely perceived as anti-Semitic. CNN's Manu Raju reports.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj9_Ru6L50w

VIDEO: Anti-Semitic Rep. Ilhan Omar Boasts of Berating Jewish Trump Official •Jul 13, 2019

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZeUR6uKBJE

VIDEO: House Passes Anti-Hate Measure After Rep. Ilhan Omar’s Controversial Remarks | NBC Nightly News •Mar 7, 2019

House Democrats passed a measure condemning hatred amid a firestorm over remarks by freshman Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar that have been criticized as antisemitic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0iBW3lIjgg

VIDEO: Democrat Extremism Strikes Again with more Anti-Semitism from Ilhan Omar •Mar 1, 2019

Ben Shapiro slams Democrat extremism, which strikes again after the party refuses to denounce Rep. Ilhan Omar for her antisemitism.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BacZP-N24EA

 

[GordonGekko]

ANALYSIS:

I believe it's safe to say that Ilhan Omar is The Squad's weakest link in terms of threatening to undermine all of their long term political careers.

Let's take an inventory

- There are these videos where it's claimed that Ilhan Omar is sending out minions to ballot harvest, via cash payments, to win elections and to support an anti-Israel agenda, as well as taking advantage of the elderly and first generation immigrants. The key subject of the video later claims the 200 dollars was NOT for a blank absentee ballot but for a sick child in Somalia. ( Does this guy write spam scammer emails by the millions on the side too?)

- She's accused of basically being a home wrecker, cheating on her own husband and stealing the husband of another woman.

- She's accused of campaign finance fraud ( which also implies tax fraud) by funneling nearly 3 million dollars to her "new husband's business"

- She cites 9/11 as simply "someone... did something", inciting a national firestorm where Congress literally voted to change the rules to stop comments like this in the future

- She is generally accused of antisemitism ( How many FBG's here are Jewish? Not asking specifically but this can get very very very personal to people to see this kind of talk coming from Omar) 

- She pushed for "Defund The Police" like the rest of The Squad, while Minneapolis, like many other Big Blue strongholds, was looted and burned down from the endless rioting.

So while conservatives are getting run through the coals for far less than what Omar has done/been accused of doing, she seems to keep on trucking the same way with the same brutal tone deaf style of alleged corruption and general bigotry.

And now that the DNC has a Super Majority, instead of addressing this alleged Omar scandal, they want to double down with the For The People Act and the Vote At Home Act which would only make the ballot harvesting and election/voter fraud shown on these videos to be even easier.

P.S. If you ( as someone) decide to criticize Ilhan Omar for any of this (doing something), she will get her daughter on social media to call you a racist.

 

[Sweet J]

If this is some sort of performance art . . . I tip my hat to you, I guess?? I mean, it really looks like a tremendous amount of work. Everyone needs a hobby.

If it's real and genuine . . . Jesus.

 

[tonydead]

ANALYSIS:

I believe it's safe to say that Ilhan Omar is The Squad's weakest link in terms of threatening to undermine all of their long term political careers.

Let's take an inventory

- There are these videos where it's claimed that Ilhan Omar is sending out minions to ballot harvest, via cash payments, to win elections and to support an anti-Israel agenda, as well as taking advantage of the elderly and first generation immigrants. The key subject of the video later claims the 200 dollars was NOT for a blank absentee ballot but for a sick child in Somalia. ( Does this guy write spam scammer emails by the millions on the side too?)

- She's accused of basically being a home wrecker, cheating on her own husband and stealing the husband of another woman.

- She's accused of campaign finance fraud ( which also implies tax fraud) by funneling nearly 3 million dollars to her "new husband's business"

- She cites 9/11 as simply "someone... did something", inciting a national firestorm where Congress literally voted to change the rules to stop comments like this in the future

- She is generally accused of antisemitism ( How many FBG's here are Jewish? Not asking specifically but this can get very very very personal to people to see this kind of talk coming from Omar) 

- She pushed for "Defund The Police" like the rest of The Squad, while Minneapolis, like many other Big Blue strongholds, was looted and burned down from the endless rioting.

So while conservatives are getting run through the coals for far less than what Omar has done/been accused of doing, she seems to keep on trucking the same way with the same brutal tone deaf style of alleged corruption and general bigotry.

And now that the DNC has a Super Majority, instead of addressing this alleged Omar scandal, they want to double down with the For The People Act and the Vote At Home Act which would only make the ballot harvesting and election/voter fraud shown on these videos to be even easier.

P.S. If you ( as someone) decide to criticize Ilhan Omar for any of this (doing something), she will get her daughter on social media to call you a racist.

Shes the worst. We need to ballot harvest her butt out of office next go around. 

 

[Sea Duck]

If this is some sort of performance art . . . I tip my hat to you, I guess?? I mean, it really looks like a tremendous amount of work. Everyone needs a hobby.

 

[thriftyrocker]

- There are these videos where it's claimed that Ilhan Omar is sending out minions to ballot harvest, via cash payments, to win elections and to support an anti-Israel agenda, as well as taking advantage of the elderly and first generation immigrants. The key subject of the video later claims the 200 dollars was NOT for a blank absentee ballot but for a sick child in Somalia. ( Does this guy write spam scammer emails by the millions on the side too?)

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/16/fact-check-project-veritas-no-proof-voter-fraud-scheme-link-ilhan-omar/3584614001/

 

[AAABatteries]

If this is some sort of performance art . . . I tip my hat to you, I guess?? I mean, it really looks like a tremendous amount of work. Everyone needs a hobby.

If it's real and genuine . . . Jesus.

Considering this was shown to have no validity, I'd say it's only real in his mind.

 

[GordonGekko]

Considering this was shown to have no validity, I'd say it's only real in his mind.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/16/fact-check-project-veritas-no-proof-voter-fraud-scheme-link-ilhan-omar/3584614001/

VIDEO: NYT Begs Court to Dismiss Veritas Defamation Lawsuit; Admits Article Inaccuracies Under Oath! •Jan 26, 2021

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMGFRRMdhQw

LEGAL CASE: SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK COUNTY OF WESTCHESTER PROJECT VERITAS,Plaintiff, -against- THE NEW YORK TIMES COMPANY, MAGGIE ASTOR, TIFFANY HSU, and JOHN DOES 1-5, Defendants.

https://assets.ctfassets.net/syq3snmxclc9/6adrdgTMMTQ2spxvIRc6dJ/6ad5874c1d6795fad43e038dbcab4d92/NYT_Complaint.pdf

The New York Times (via Maggie Astor) printed an article saying the Project Veritas videos in the OP were misleading and disinformation, so PV and James  O'Keefe sued the NYT for defamation.

So let's see what happens.

It's unfortunate that you've dismissed this topic as there are many issues embedded here that impact voting for the future. The "For The People" Act and the "Vote At Home" Act both are pushing for sweeping changes to how our Republic handles elections. The issue of interpreters coming into the polling/voting booths is another problem, esp when you are dealing with those voters who don't understand English. How the elderly handle voting is yet another question that gets raised here. Whether it's ethical for political campaigns to allegedly maintain databases to track who has requested and received their absentee ballots.

But why address any of that, right?

 

[parasaurolophus]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/16/fact-check-project-veritas-no-proof-voter-fraud-scheme-link-ilhan-omar/3584614001/

I like how the fact check takes issue with anonymous sources. I just wish they always took issue with anonymous sources. 

 

[GordonGekko]

Considering this was shown to have no validity, I'd say it's only real in his mind.

Liban Mohamed aka Liban Osman is Jamal Osman's biological brother.

So the narrative you are going to push here is that Liban Osman, shown on video multiple times with stacks of absentee ballots, with the explicit stated design to rig the vote for Jamal Osman, is being truthful in his "defense" which says he took 10 thousand dollars to lie on camera and betray his own brother. Which would clearly ostracize him from his family and the entire Minneapolis Somalian community.

Then the narrative would have to be that Liban Mohamed aka Liban Osman is correct when he said the portion of the video showing a ballot harvester giving 200 dollars for a blank absentee ballot was actually NOT that, despite all the audio context saying otherwise, but really money to be sent to a sick little girl in Somalia.

In order to hold onto your political tribalism, you are going to have to find a better way to rationalize all of this.

 

[FairWarning]

I always thought we should have a federal ID for voting in federal elections, tied to your drivers license or state ID.

I do vote absentee, its just easier for me.  I do see where it can be a major source of fraud.  I don't care about how Colorado and Oregon does it.  

 

[The Z Machine]

I always thought we should have a federal ID for voting in federal elections, tied to your drivers license or state ID.

I do vote absentee, its just easier for me.  I do see where it can be a major source of fraud.  I don't care about how Colorado and Oregon does it.  

What about Utah? Your care about them?

 

[SoBeDad]

I always thought we should have a federal ID for voting in federal elections, tied to your drivers license or state ID.

I do vote absentee, its just easier for me.  I do see where it can be a major source of fraud.  I don't care about how Colorado and Oregon does it.  

But could it be a source of major fraud, changing lots of votes? How would one do it and not get caught? 

 

[Zow]

If this is some sort of performance art . . . I tip my hat to you, I guess?? I mean, it really looks like a tremendous amount of work. Everyone needs a hobby.

If it's real and genuine . . . Jesus.

I genuinely enjoy the timestamp shtick. 

 

[FairWarning]

What about Utah? Your care about them?

Do they have mail-in?  I thought it was just the two states.  None of them should have it.

 

[FairWarning]

But could it be a source of major fraud, changing lots of votes? How would one do it and not get caught? 

Deliver a entire apartment complex to one place.  One person fills them all out, and sends them back.  

 

[Mile High]

Deliver a entire apartment complex to one place.  One person fills them all out, and sends them back.  

You know nothing about vote by mail. You realize people expect to get their ballots and might wonder why they didn't get their ballot after receiving a notice in the mail and by email to expect them. They also might question the notice they get after you vote saying we got your vote.

 

[sho nuff]

Deliver a entire apartment complex to one place.  One person fills them all out, and sends them back.  

Do you think that would fail the checks they do on such ballots?

 

[FairWarning]

You know nothing about vote by mail. You realize people expect to get their ballots and might wonder why they didn't get their ballot after receiving a notice in the mail and by email to expect them. They also might question the notice they get after you vote saying we got your vote.

I have voted absentee in Michigan for 20 years and never got a notice that my ballot was received.  Every state is different.  A federal election should have uniform rules.

 

[Mile High]

I have voted absentee in Michigan for 20 years and never got a notice that my ballot was received.  Every state is different.  A federal election should have uniform rules.

States run their own elections not the federal government. 

 

[FairWarning]

States run their own elections not the federal government. 

I realize that.  Your state notifies you, mine doesn’t.  See where there could be potential fraud?

 

[Mile High]

I realize that.  Your state notifies you, mine doesn’t.  See where there could be potential fraud?

Maybe from your state. Maybe take it up with those in charge of your state instead of trying to tell my state how to vote.

 

[tonydead]

Do they have mail-in?  I thought it was just the two states.  None of them should have it.

Washington and Hawaii too.

 

[Da Guru]

Omar learned fast that politics pays well.     After paying her husbands firm 2.8 million during he re-election campaign she severed ties so there was no "perceived" issue.

Rep. Ilhan Omar is reportedly severing financial ties with her husband's political consulting firm after previous payments to his company totaling nearly $2.8 million ignited scrutiny and complaints to a campaign finance watchdog. 

In an email to supporters on Sunday, Omar, D-Minn., said her campaign was terminating its contract with E Street Group to “make sure that anybody who is supporting her campaign with their time or financial support feels there is no perceived issue with that support,” according to the Star Tribune, which first reported the news.

The contract was a very lucrative one for E Street Group LLC, which is owned by Omar's husband Tim Mynett: Her campaign reported paying the firm more than $1.6 million from the beginning of 2019 through July 22, 2020, according to Federal Election Commission data, on top of another $1.1 million in the third quarter of this year alone.

 

[dawgtrails]

Do they have mail-in?  I thought it was just the two states.  None of them should have it.

Washington and Hawaii too.

CA, NE, ND allow counties to decide.

This is not a new thing. States have allowed mail in voting for some time. Only now do people cry fraud because a certain someone couldn't take the L

 

[tonydead]

CA, NE, ND allow counties to decide.

This is not a new thing. States have allowed mail in voting for some time. Only now do people cry fraud because a certain someone couldn't take the L

People may have cried fowl when it was implemented in other states at the last minute and skipped things like signature verification because they didn't have the time for the amount of ballots.  States that had strict rules for absentee ballots suddenly allowed "fear of covid" as an excuse.  

Just a hunch.  

 

[sho nuff]

CA, NE, ND allow counties to decide.

This is not a new thing. States have allowed mail in voting for some time. Only now do people cry fraud because a certain someone couldn't take the L

It was also talked about dating back to the spring that the spring and summer could have been spent getting it right when it comes to a larger program in states.  After the clusters that some of the primaries were during a pandemic.

 

[joffer]

Maybe from your state. Maybe take it up with those in charge of your state instead of trying to tell my state how to vote.

hey federalism.  conservatives use to like that i think.

 

[fatguyinalittlecoat]

Omar learned fast that politics pays well.     After paying her husbands firm 2.8 million during he re-election campaign she severed ties so there was no "perceived" issue.

That seems like a positive step, even if it should have been done earlier.  Good for her.

 

[Sea Duck]

But could it be a source of major fraud, changing lots of votes? How would one do it and not get caught? 

Deliver a entire apartment complex to one place.  One person fills them all out, and sends them back.  

You think one person can successfully forge the signatures of every single voter in an apartment complex?

Also, if just one person in the complex notices that their ballot is missing, then the entire scheme falls apart.

 

[Mile High]

You think one person can successfully forge the signatures of every single voter in an apartment complex?

Also, if just one person in the complex notices that their ballot is missing, then the entire scheme falls apart.

He was basing his opinion of mail in voter fraud off of his experience  voting in Minnesota. In states that have mail in voting as the standards there  is no way one guy can vote for an entire apartment complex. There are to many checks along the way.

 

[FairWarning]

You think one person can successfully forge the signatures of every single voter in an apartment complex?

Also, if just one person in the complex notices that their ballot is missing, then the entire scheme falls apart.

A group could.  I get mine mailed to me and return it in the Dropbox at the township hall.  Anyone could do that.

 

[SWC]

so could a mystical ghost beast who can control peoples minds and also so could smokey the bear that brohan is sneaky as hell take that to the bank bromigos 

 

[Sea Duck]

You think one person can successfully forge the signatures of every single voter in an apartment complex?

Also, if just one person in the complex notices that their ballot is missing, then the entire scheme falls apart.

A group could

A group could what? Successfully forge the signatures of hundreds of people? Even if that were possible (which it's not), then your entire scheme would fall apart if just one person noticed that their ballot was missing.

That's why we know that your scheme has never been tried in the history of this country, despite literally millions of opportunities to do so. The risk-to-reward ratio is so high that the money and effort would be far more productive if directed elsewhere.

 

[GordonGekko]

You think one person can successfully forge the signatures of every single voter in an apartment complex?

Also, if just one person in the complex notices that their ballot is missing, then the entire scheme falls apart.

History of Somalis in Minneapolis–Saint Paul

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Somalis_in_Minneapolis–Saint_Paul

2020 Census offered in 13 languages. MN officials wish Somali and Hmong were among them.

By Katrina Pross UPDATED: September 24, 2020 at 11:30 a.m.

https://www.twincities.com/2020/07/05/2020-census-not-offered-in-hmong-or-somali/

******

Of the "projected" 50 thousand Somali residents in Minnesota -  more than half can't speak English or do so at a non functional level.

Of the projected 75 thousand Hmong residents in Minnesota -  about forty percent can't speak English or do so at a non functional level.

The above are best estimates, the language barrier and the density of the populations make it difficult to effectively get a grasp on an accurate number of residents. Safe to say, there are a lot of them. Some estimates put the number of Somalians in Minnesota at over 100 thousand, with close to 200 thousand there who can speak the language.

The 2020 Census in Minnesota needed translators to deal with those residents who only could speak their native Spanish, Chinese, Vietnamese, Korean, Russian, Arabic, Tagalog, Polish, French, Haitian Creole, Portuguese and Japanese.

The videos in the OP state part of the problem -

1) Ballot harvesters are taking advantage of the large parts of the community that don't speak English and are still steeped in their old cultural norms, since the Somali population is large enough ( hundreds of millions in purchasing power, hundreds of small businesses, major Somali dominated areas ) to support that functional separation from American mainstream society. Many don't understand American elections, nor fully comprehend American law and many fear the idea of government period, thus are conditioned to keep quiet. That's not uncommon for any immigrant community currently and throughout American history.

2) Ballot harvesters are targeting the elderly. These are people who may not have full agency at this point and may simply fall in line with their cultural leaders, noted business leaders in the area and religious leaders because that's all they've ever known.

3) Ballot harvesters are taking advantage of people who are paid or incentivized to move in and out of an area for 30 days to qualify as a voter in that district. So an apartment complex could have many more people claimed to live there than actually normally live there on an actual functional basis.

The Democratic Farmer Labor Party has long been accused of weaponizing these methods, among others, to generate major voting blocks from these vulnerable immigrant communities.

 

[Mile High]

A group could.  I get mine mailed to me and return it in the Dropbox at the township hall.  Anyone could do that.

Yeah everyone knows the crimes that are successful are made up of multiple coconspirators 

 

[uwillbsoon]

The Democratic Farmer Labor Party has long been accused of weaponizing these methods, among others, to generate major voting blocks from these vulnerable immigrant communities.

Lived in MN for a long time and never heard of the DFL "weaponizing" ballot harvesting in immigrant communities. Who is making these allegations? Are they in a court of law, or just a sore loser?

No, I didn't bother watching the source videos.

 

[FairWarning]

Yeah everyone knows the crimes that are successful are made up of multiple coconspirators 

I’m not saying this election is fraudulent (I don’t think it is).  Anytime you mail ballots though, it’s out of your control, and is ripe for voter fraud.

 

[dawgtrails]

I’m not saying this election is fraudulent (I don’t think it is).  Anytime you mail ballots though, it’s out of your control, and is ripe for voter fraud.

How about when you put your ballot into a machine and it just disappears? What happens to it really? Nobody knows, it is ripe for fraud.

 

[Mile High]

I’m not saying this election is fraudulent (I don’t think it is).  Anytime you mail ballots though, it’s out of your control, and is ripe for voter fraud.

As someone who votes in a state with mail in ballots I don't feel that way at all. Weeks before election it's on the news every day expect your ballot. That's followed up by a postcard and email your ballot has been mailed look for it. After I vote I get an email saying your ballot has been received. How is voting in person more secure? Do you know for such your ballot was counted?

 

[FairWarning]

How about when you put your ballot into a machine and it just disappears? What happens to it really? Nobody knows, it is ripe for fraud.

What is the higher probability of fraud, mail or no mail?

 

[FairWarning]

As someone who votes in a state with mail in ballots I don't feel that way at all. Weeks before election it's on the news every day expect your ballot. That's followed up by a postcard and email your ballot has been mailed look for it. After I vote I get an email saying your ballot has been received. How is voting in person more secure? Do you know for such your ballot was counted?

We get none of that here.  

 

[dawgtrails]

What is the higher probability of fraud, mail or no mail?

I don't know. Can you point to some instances of voter fraud by mail that we could compare to regular voter fraud?

 

[Mile High]

We get none of that here.  

What would your opinion of vote by mail be if all that happened along the way?

 

[timschochet]

What is the higher probability of fraud, mail or no mail?

Based on all evidence it’s almost nil either way. 

 

[Mile High]

Another thing about vote by mail for me personally I feel it makes me a more informed voter in the tons of local issues we are voting on. I take each issue I have no clue on and research what they wanting to do as I vote. Many times my first impression of the reading of the bill changes after reading pros and cons.