Capella
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1000% agree. At the point I would just prefer the play to be wrong, especially after touchdowns. Bring it in for the playoffs.
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NFL viewership off 11% YOY (1 Viewer)
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BoltBacker
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You may be joking but I honestly think that IS the solution. Same goes for Monday/Sunday nights as well.Obviously the solution is to have 2 Thursday night games every week.
Maybe it's because I grew up on the west coast but I have always hated having so many games on Sunday morning. I would much rather savor the NFL season spread out through the fall rather than having most of it shot out of a fire-hose every Sunday morning. But I also don't attend games anymore and am sure the "Wrigley field will have night games over my dead body!" folks completely disagree with me. IMO the league already revolves around the TV(media) contracts and will only lean more heavily that way in the future.
NewlyRetired
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The NFL made some changes in the structure of breaks in the attempts to speed up the game (see link below). Does anyone know if the average game time has dropped at all this season based on the changes?
http://deadline.com/2017/03/nfl-changes-fewer-commercial-breaks-roger-goodell-1202048785/
http://deadline.com/2017/03/nfl-changes-fewer-commercial-breaks-roger-goodell-1202048785/
Fariq
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pollardsvision
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While true, there are other ways to measure a sports overall attention from fans. The NFL is likely going to have a massive ratings advantage over other sports for a very long time, but say in the case of the NBA, the impact and fan attention extends far beyond actual games.
For example, the front page of ESPN currently is a story about LeBron and Kyrie. That's with the NFL season new and likely at the near height of fan interest and the NBA should not be eating up headline space. The NBA is the year-round sport right now. The NFL used to be. Remember when the NFL offseason used to be interesting? Now, it's offseason is dominated with back-up QB protests and whichever high profile player Goodell is going to try to take down.
The NBA dominates right now in terms of storylines and stars. Now, that sort of thing doesn't direcly put cash in owners' pockets (which is why the NFL doesn't care about it), but over time, it's going to matter.
What the NFL dominates is game to game ratings. And that thing they dominate is part of an ever shrinking base and they seem to have no plan to adjust to a changing public. As those ratings continue to decline, what's left? It's a boring sport that's awful to watch, far worse to attend, and they've successfully prevented their players from becoming marketable stars (what other League actively goes after their biggest stars now that Selig is gone?).
NBA seems to be winning in terms of public interest and storylines right now, and then MLB is dominating the live game experience. MLB is nearly irrelevant to much of the public, but they also draw about 5X as many fans to games as the NFL does. Even as TV contracts dry up, MLB has that to work with. Point is, other sports have something to hang their hat on. NFL is built on live TV viewing, and the public is less and less interested in live, commercial laden TV viewing these days.
I don't know how we'll define what the top sport is, and the NFL will have a ratings advantage for a long time, but surely, the NFL is losing the public's overall interest rapidly.
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roadkill1292
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In this manner the NFL resembles a certain popular cable news network which caters to a particular demographic. Changing the way is does business in an attempt to attract new fans risks alienating its base. So they can't really change and the base ever so slightly diminishes at the hands of Father Time. But this will take a long time to happen for both the NFL and Fox News.
I don't know if any of us who are alive now have ever witnessed a wildly popular entity like the NFL slowly erode and it will be really interesting from an economic and social perspective to see how the league deals with it.
culdeus
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The Olympics maybe arent on the same scale but has taken a dump lately.
Golf was struggling between tiger and jack and rallied. Not sure how golf is doing overall right now. May be ok.
But yeah a top top sport hitting the skids is unusual. Has the potential to cause many side effects.
Steve Tasker
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roadkill1292
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The situation also suggests why we should be keeping an eye on Japan with its aging and shrinking population, aversion to immigration and rural flight to the cities. Not many places have faced those kinds of demographic developments before and thrived; if they can pull it off without economic collapse there will be valuable lessons in how they did it.
For the NFL it looks like a simple but difficult task -- tailor the game to attract the next generation while maintaining the prosperous and conservative base viewer. This problem will be exacerbated in part by a stodgy group of owners who haven't had to creatively address the league's problems because the cash kept rolling in without them ever having to worry about this before.
Hov34
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True Story:
Illegally streaming the Viking Steelers game Sunday. Steelers score, 2+ minutes of commercials, Kickoff, 2 minutes of commercials. Vikes 3 and out (took less than 2 minuets) Punt, 2+ minutes of commercials.
I changed to the Twins game.
Jobber
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Phil Elliott
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The last two weeks I have spent more time checking the live scoring for the "subscriber contest" than watching actual NFL games.
Ramblin Wreck
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Brady Marino
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Now...imagine paying $200+ for tickets for your family, parking, concessions, and swag to actually attend the game in person...and having to sit through the breaks.
One reason my dad got rid of his St. Louis Rams season tickets after 15 years was for this reason. Going to the games are a draaaaaag with the breaks.
Sammy3469
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I actually think this is a lot of it. It used to be the NFL could market QBs and RBs. Now RBs are a commodity with an expiration date and the non-top 10 QBs are nameless faces. That's helped their bottom line as it's kept guaranteed contracts out of the sport as it's severely tilted the owner-employee dynamic, but in the long term it's problematic especially as younger kids in this you-tube world tend to root for players over teams (look no further than the fans that followed Durant versus the fans that followed AP).pollardsvision said:
It says something about a league when it 4 most marketable stars are 40, 38, 38, and 33.
belljr
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shadyridr
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NewlyRetired
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The capacity of Stub Hub for the Chargers is 30k. I don't know if they jacked up the prices though to try and account for the smaller capacity.
What ever they are doing it is not working.
NewlyRetired
Footballguy
and that was the announced attendance, not the actual attendance. That 56k would have been more than 50% capacity but the pictures show it was far far from 50% full.
Even if a lot of people got to their seats after kick off, there was no way this hit anywhere near 50k in the stadium. Here is what it looked like at kickoff. I would estimate no more than 20k seated based on the 90k+ capacity.
https://twitter.com/LindseyThiry/status/909513998504124417
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Capella
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NewlyRetired
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Apologies for the ramble here......
As I was walking back to the car from the Saints game, I was thinking about this thread, but more in the sense of buying tickets vs. viewer ratings. The bottom line is winning cures everything, if a team is winning, it will have no problem (barring outliers) filling the stadium. The Saints are on their way to what looks like their 4th straight sub .500 season and it's causing me debate on whether or not I want to continue my tickets, even though my situation is extremely lucky. I have 2 tickets that I pay $500/season for each. I leave my house at 10:00, make the 15 minute drive to the bar, park on the street, have a few beers with friends then walk to the stadium. I'm typically home 30 minutes after 00:00.
That's almost as perfect of a situation (barring living right next to the stadium) that one could get...and it still causes me to think about how much nicer it would be sitting on my couch, red zone on one TV; game on the other. Eating what I want, drinking what I want and able to follow all of my bets/fantasy with ease.
That being said, if we were winning, it wouldn't even be a thought in my mind.
As I was walking back to the car from the Saints game, I was thinking about this thread, but more in the sense of buying tickets vs. viewer ratings. The bottom line is winning cures everything, if a team is winning, it will have no problem (barring outliers) filling the stadium. The Saints are on their way to what looks like their 4th straight sub .500 season and it's causing me debate on whether or not I want to continue my tickets, even though my situation is extremely lucky. I have 2 tickets that I pay $500/season for each. I leave my house at 10:00, make the 15 minute drive to the bar, park on the street, have a few beers with friends then walk to the stadium. I'm typically home 30 minutes after 00:00.
That's almost as perfect of a situation (barring living right next to the stadium) that one could get...and it still causes me to think about how much nicer it would be sitting on my couch, red zone on one TV; game on the other. Eating what I want, drinking what I want and able to follow all of my bets/fantasy with ease.
That being said, if we were winning, it wouldn't even be a thought in my mind.
DocHolliday
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Parrothead
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Gr00vus
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This is true. Also the team's been mediocre to bad for several years now, management sucks, and they might have the worst ownership in football.Also read parking was $100
Sincerely, a lifelong Charger fan.
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General Malaise
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culdeus
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Thats the cheapest option for Dallas fwiw. And there is plenty of parking.Also read parking was $100
Eephus
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GregR
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Tell me about it. I like all the people who sit around me, and phone/text/email with them even outside of the games. But during games, I have to spend two minutes at a time actually TALKING. Face-to-face. To people.
OH THE HUMANITY OF IT!
SHIZNITTTT
Footballguy
Yeah that is crazy! Dan Patrick was telling people to just stay home. The panel was figuring around 500 bucks to take a family to the game, parking, food. Or, buy a nice flat screen and watch in the comfort of your own home.
Moe.
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That'd be a hell of a walk to Carson from there.
I'm sure there are good public transport options to get to stubhub center too, it was just a joke. Thanks for setting me straight.
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Eephus
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TheFanatic
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A few million people won't either at the low, low price of $6/ticket.
I knew the fan base would get bored out there, but I never thought they would get bored this quickly. Never in my wildest did I think that.
Ramblin Wreck
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Why would anyone pay Stubhubs ridiculous fees?
Brady Marino
Footballguy
He lives south of St. Louis.
I will say that on-the-field performance, or lack thereof, was also a contributing factor.
Brady Marino
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NewlyRetired
Footballguy
If memory serves, Mark Cuban predicted a future NFL downfall, a few years ago. He used some line like "Pigs get fat, hogs get slaughtered. They are getting hoggy."
I think this was in relation to the NFL talking about wanting to double their already enormous revenue intake.
When every decision you make is only based on finances, something has to give, and in this case I think the product itself is suffering.
I think this was in relation to the NFL talking about wanting to double their already enormous revenue intake.
When every decision you make is only based on finances, something has to give, and in this case I think the product itself is suffering.
Nipsey
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The majority of LA born NFL fans are Raider fans. The Rams played in Anaheim, which is basically a different country, before they left a generation a ago. Now they're back playing in what was the Raiders home stadium. What's left of that Rams fanbase from 20 years ago (not much) is unlikely to trek it to South Central and the Coliseum. It's going to take time to build that following but I'm confident once the new stadium is there, they'll be fine. You just can't expect LA to fill, or even halfway fill, a 90K seat stadium for a "home" team not many people out here care about (yet).
As far as the Chargers go, they're playing in Carson, which is also in a different universe than LA proper. Nobody here is a Charger fan. They're playing in a soccer stadium. Nobody really wants them here. That being said, once they get into the new stadium people will come. As far as the $100 parking goes, that was for a tailgate lot. For USC games at the Coliseum, to get those premiere tailgate lot parking passes next to the stadium it takes a ridiculous donation, in the thousands of dollars. I'm sure you can find parking somewhere near the stadium in Carson for far less than 100 bucks. The spotlight on the $100 for parking story seems to be part of this calculated negative campaign being conducted by an SD based anti-Spanos/NFL faction. They put up these three billboards right near the stadium.
It's really not far to compare the NFL attendance to that of USC's attendance. They've been in the Coliseum forever and the school is right across the street. The fans know what the deal is and the tailgate for those games is a blast. It's an up year so home attendance is going to be high.
Bottom line, it's unfair to judge the NFL's move to LA after only a few weeks. You have two teams with non-existent fanbases playing in stadiums they don't belong in. The sportsbars in LA are packed on NFL Sundays and most of the people out here are transplants rooting for the teams they grew up following. It's a city full of frontrunners though so if and when the Rams/Chargers turn it around the stadium will be rocking with we're #1 $75 foam fingers. Angelinos like new, trendy, upscale things so I guarantee the new stadium will sell out when it opens in 2020 or whenever it does.
General Malaise
Footballguy
My god.....what do normal people do? Take an Uber to Humperdinks and walk from there? That's egregious. Actually, for the Oregon/OSU game, I think my buddy did actually park at Humperdinks and we took a bus? I was a little tipsy. Memories unclear.
General Malaise
Footballguy
Good post, Nipsey.
One thing I noticed when LA hosted Seattle last year for their home opener is how frigging hot that Coliseum gets on an early Sept. afternoon with NO shade offered anywhere in that massive venue. Who the hell wants to sit out and cook for 3 hours (not this albino)?
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