The Commish
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Let the faux outrage begin 
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Non-horrible Sandusky thread to discuss PSU sanctions (1 Viewer)
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TheIronSheik
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If they lift those sanctions, how will those kids on the football team ever learn from the mistakes that they didn't make?Let the faux outrage begin
bagger
Footballguy
you can make that argument about pretty much every sanction.If they lift those sanctions, how will those kids on the football team ever learn from the mistakes that they didn't make?Let the faux outrage begin
TheIronSheik
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Thanks. But I don't have time to argue about every sanction.you can make that argument about pretty much every sanction.If they lift those sanctions, how will those kids on the football team ever learn from the mistakes that they didn't make?Let the faux outrage begin
ClownCausedChaos2
Footballguy
Thanks. But I don't have time to argue about every sanction.you can make that argument about pretty much every sanction.If they lift those sanctions, how will those kids on the football team ever learn from the mistakes that they didn't make?Let the faux outrage begin
joffer
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Good god - I hadn't viewed this thread in two years so it jumped me to the last read post. One and a half ####### pages of Christo and BFS arguing. We need a button in the forums that can jump you forward in the thread past these inane arguments. Something like iBull#### skip.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Glad to see it happen. Still feel terrible for the victims.
Power Monster
The Midnight Stalker
NCAA is ####### joke. Wrist slap and it all just conveniently went away. Bastards.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
Honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been more given all the
about it initially. Though I do agree the NCAA is a joke.
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Fat Nick
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Totally agree. I figured that this would bring everyone out of the woodwork again about how PSU should've gotten the death penalty, etc. It's definately there...just go read Yahoo! comments in their article on it, which tends to bring out the craziest of the crazies...But I'm glad to see it's died down here (for now).Honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been more given all the
The NCAA is a total joke. I'm 100% convinced that a major factor in why they reduced sanctions is because of all the talk that they overstepped their boundaries on this and other cases, which I think is likely true, and if it ever got pushed to court, would end badly for them. It's much better to just back down from that fight, and I think this is part of their re-posturing.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Yep, the NCAA is absolutely a joke -- they had no business getting involved in this.
The Commish
Footballguy
I suspect that PSU isn't out of the woods monetarily. I don't know how many cases are still outstanding or how many cases have yet been filed, but I'm willing to bet that the sum of all those cases will be significantly worse than anything the NCAA could do via bowl bans or scholarship reductions. And that's the way it should be IMO.Totally agree. I figured that this would bring everyone out of the woodwork again about how PSU should've gotten the death penalty, etc. It's definately there...just go read Yahoo! comments in their article on it, which tends to bring out the craziest of the crazies...But I'm glad to see it's died down here (for now).Honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been more given all the
The NCAA is a total joke. I'm 100% convinced that a major factor in why they reduced sanctions is because of all the talk that they overstepped their boundaries on this and other cases, which I think is likely true, and if it ever got pushed to court, would end badly for them. It's much better to just back down from that fight, and I think this is part of their re-posturing.
Politician Spock
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After the State of Pennsylvania passed a law in 2013 that blocked the NCAA from seeing a dime of the $60 million fine handed down in the ruling, the NCAA realized that it was losing more money by punishing PSU than it was gaining. Hence, withdraw the penalty to put PSU back in money making mode. It was a good business decision. Has absolutely nothing to do with protecting children, but good business none the less. The NCAA is what it is.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Absolutely. I understand that the University has to pay for their neglegence here. I'm much more comfortable with the University paying huge settlements/verdicts to the VICTIMS in this case than I am with the University's $60M fine staying in the State of PA or wherever else it would go. I understand some of the logic behind the athletic sanctions, but none of them really punished the right people.I suspect that PSU isn't out of the woods monetarily. I don't know how many cases are still outstanding or how many cases have yet been filed, but I'm willing to bet that the sum of all those cases will be significantly worse than anything the NCAA could do via bowl bans or scholarship reductions. And that's the way it should be IMO.Totally agree. I figured that this would bring everyone out of the woodwork again about how PSU should've gotten the death penalty, etc. It's definately there...just go read Yahoo! comments in their article on it, which tends to bring out the craziest of the crazies...But I'm glad to see it's died down here (for now).Honestly, I'm surprised there hasn't been more given all the
The NCAA is a total joke. I'm 100% convinced that a major factor in why they reduced sanctions is because of all the talk that they overstepped their boundaries on this and other cases, which I think is likely true, and if it ever got pushed to court, would end badly for them. It's much better to just back down from that fight, and I think this is part of their re-posturing.
GoodLloydHaveMercy
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Joey Galloway still full of hate... He should go back to wearing that ridiculously oversized mouthpiece
You still mad about 1994 Joey? Sandusky defense was too much to handle for you?
Yes I realize there were child victims but come on lifting sanctions ain't changing a thing for those children and it allows PSU to move forward
You still mad about 1994 Joey? Sandusky defense was too much to handle for you?
Yes I realize there were child victims but come on lifting sanctions ain't changing a thing for those children and it allows PSU to move forward
Fennis
Footballguy
Fennis
Footballguy
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thank god the real victims of all this can move forward and watch PSU play in a bowl
TheIronSheik
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Did you just fix your own post? You know you can just edit it, right?fixed
thank god the real victims of all this can move forward and watch PSU play in a bowl
Fennis
Footballguy
i wish there was a forum to "test" things like that out inDid you just fix your own post? You know you can just edit it, right?fixed
thank god the real victims of all this can move forward and watch PSU play in a bowl
TheIronSheik
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Have you tried the Shark Pool?i wish there was a forum to "test" things like that out inDid you just fix your own post? You know you can just edit it, right?fixed
thank god the real victims of all this can move forward and watch PSU play in a bowl
Fennis
Footballguy
whats the "shark pool"?Have you tried the Shark Pool?i wish there was a forum to "test" things like that out inDid you just fix your own post? You know you can just edit it, right?fixed
thank god the real victims of all this can move forward and watch PSU play in a bowl
Fat Nick
Footballguy
whats the "shark pool"?Have you tried the Shark Pool?i wish there was a forum to "test" things like that out inDid you just fix your own post? You know you can just edit it, right?fixed
thank god the real victims of all this can move forward and watch PSU play in a bowl
@ this whole exchange.
TheIronSheik
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A show on ABC with Mark Cuban.whats the "shark pool"?Have you tried the Shark Pool?i wish there was a forum to "test" things like that out inDid you just fix your own post? You know you can just edit it, right?fixed
thank god the real victims of all this can move forward and watch PSU play in a bowl
Politician Spock
Footballguy
No, that's called "Fish Tank".TheIronSheik said:A show on ABC with Mark Cuban.whats the "shark pool"?Have you tried the Shark Pool?i wish there was a forum to "test" things like that out inDid you just fix your own post? You know you can just edit it, right?fixed
thank god the real victims of all this can move forward and watch PSU play in a bowl
The "shark pool" is a place on a boardwalk in Jersey where hustlers play billiards with tourists.
fatness
Footballguy
Yeah, at first they seemed to just want to protect Joe and their memory of him. But when they got into supposed "damages" that were nothing more than future profits they expected to lose due to "damage to his legacy" it was clear they were just entitled money-grubbers. And annoying.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Please don't turn this into a debate if you're one of those "Paterno was 100% guilty and everyone in his life should turn their backs on him and if you don't, you're supporting child rape," people. If you can't see how standing up for your father's honor after he passed away, and was accused, never actually put on trial, but subsequently treated like a criminal, and had his entire life's legacy stripped from him, then I'm not sure how else to explain it to you.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I'm not - I think Paterno did a lot of good things in his life - lots and lots. He unfortunately is forever tarnished by his inaction. The issue I have with calling it noble is that it was done while there were real victims that were hurting during this time and and it was either self-serving or appeared self-serving. As you said - they should let it go, we just differ on when they should have done that.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
I can very easily see a case where the Paterno family wasn't convinced Joe did anything wrong. There are lots of folks who still say he followed the rules to the letter, and he did what he should have done to the extent he should have done it. If there are random folks who believe this (right, wrong, or indifferent), I'm sure the Paternos did/do as well. With that mindset, I can't see why they wouldn't have tried to save Joe's good name. In their eyes, Paterno didn't harm the victims, Sandusky did, so I doubt the family saw fixing Joe's name as analogous to to impeding victims from healing.
I think that your comment on self-serving is a big part of my problem with the Paterno's now. It became very clear to me that once the University moved from "fight mode" to "take your beatings and move on mode," the Paternos moved from a pro-PSU stance to a pro-Paterno stance in which they really stopped looking at what was best for everyone and started looking just at what was best for Joe and their legacy.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
I get your perspective but all I know is that during that time there were people directly affected by his inaction that were unbelievably hurt and incredulous at what they felt Paterno did. Out of respect for them, in addition to what I personally considered to be fairly damning words direct from Paterno himself, I would have not taken the stance they did. And for those reasons I don't find it noble. YMMV.
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Fair. Can't argue with that. I get your view. Sorry for jumping down your throat initially. I'm a bit overly sensitive to those who jumped on the high horse right away and branded everyone who didn't as somehow supporting child rape. It's a complicated case, and nobody, even the Paternos and their supporters, knowingly wished anything bad on those kids. Unfortunately, nothing about this case was or is clear except the pain they've had to endure.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
No worries - I get it. I've said numerous times that I've been somewhat amazed (maybe in a good way, maybe in a bad way) that PSU fans are so loyal to their school and Paterno. On some level I think that is great. There's very few schools that would do the same things - granted there's virtually no schools who had a relationship with their coach like PSU had with Paterno. I'm still almost in shock to this day at the whole story - I wouldn't go so far as to say that Paterno was a hero of mine, he wasn't - but I admired the man (at the time) and thought he was a good guy who did a lot of really good things. Now? I guess if I'm honest I no longer admire him, I think he made some horrible decisions and ultimately paid a huge price for those mistakes. The degree of how big those mistakes are is impossible for me to know - I think everyone agrees he made mistakes but it's the level and the intent.
I agree with you though that the pain that the monster Sandusky brought to those people is the only clear thing about it.
One final note - I have little to no problem with the team getting their bowl ban lifted. I would have a problem if they wanted to start paying tribute to Paterno - still much too soon for anything like that. IMO.
I think there is a significant number of people who believe there was a conspiracy between Freeh, some on the PSU BoT, and maybe Corbett to tarnish some within the PSU community (Spanier, Paterno, the football program itself) as part of the scandal. Some of the lawsuits brought against the NCAA and PSU are based on this belief and have the goal of discovering how much and what type of communication occurred between the BoT, Freeh, the Big Ten, and the governor (maybe others) during Freeh's investigation. There is also the issue of whether PSU was coerced into signing the Consent Decree or was a willing participant in signing the Decree (there have been a lot of conflicting statements made about whether the NCAA threatened imposition of the death penalty during negotiations over the Decree). It is possible that the Paterno lawsuit is based on these beliefs and will be very happy to participate in the discovery phase of the suit against the NCAA.
nittanylion
Footballguy
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/11509672/penn-state-trustees-removed-judge-ncaa-lawsuit
http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-paterno-ncaa-lawsuit-advances-20140911-story.html
Very interesting to note how ESPN headlines this article vs how Morning Call headlines the same thing...YMMV, but it's reflective of how certain elements in the media have been spinning this from the get-go. Some very interesting things are going to be revealed during the discovery phase that are going to raise a lot of eyebrows.
This is an organization I'm heavily involved with: http://ps4rs.org/ - some interesting things to read, for those who are interested.
http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-penn-state-paterno-ncaa-lawsuit-advances-20140911-story.html
Very interesting to note how ESPN headlines this article vs how Morning Call headlines the same thing...YMMV, but it's reflective of how certain elements in the media have been spinning this from the get-go. Some very interesting things are going to be revealed during the discovery phase that are going to raise a lot of eyebrows.
This is an organization I'm heavily involved with: http://ps4rs.org/ - some interesting things to read, for those who are interested.
Fennis
Footballguy
Fat Nick
Footballguy
Best of luck to you/ps4rs...I think you guys have a long road ahead to make any headway though. Unfortunately for you, much of Nittany Nation is content to move on from this and build anew. Doesn't make what happened in the past right or wrong or mean we are OK with the outcome as it currently stands, but sometimes it's just easier to heal the wound than try and erase it.
roadkill1292
Footballguy
Really conflicted here. The NCAA vastly overstepped its authority in handing down the sanctions after the Sandusky revelations and needed to be dealt a rebuttal. On the other hand, I hate seeing Penn State fans happy.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
joffer
Footballguy
dparker713
Footballguy
I'm curious why PSU should get to move forward. The cover-ups and inaction were done to protect the football program. Seems removing the football program would solve this issue entirely.
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ClownCausedChaos2
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ClownCausedChaos2
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dparker713
Footballguy
Seems like the only way to right the wrong. Defeats the reason the cover up happened in the first place.
