**Not-so-offical Green Bay Packers Off-season Thread** (1 Viewer)

[scrumptrulescent]

Reading about him and remember how he was in college...I thought he was worth a shot.

Wondering if they felt him more of an inside guy and think they are ok there for now and more interested in outside guys and DEs than another ILB. Who knows...but the interest seemed to go away pretty quick. Some will say $$$...but nobody really knows. Sure is possible.

Doesn't really matter to me what the reason is. Results should be what matters, and so far this free agency period has been a disappointmentgreat because Thompson hasn't drastically overspent on marginal players.

Fixed.

Sorry I forgot how important it is to stay way under the cap every year. Because if we spent some money, we wouldn't be so far under the cap, and everyone knows how important it is to stay way under the cap. I am hoping that we can be at least 10 million under the cap this year, but 15 would be even better.

This made me laugh. Why you complaining? So far we've got a cast off safety who's only claim to fame is being figuratively pimp slapped by Tom Brady. That makes me laugh too.

 

[sho nuff]

Reading about him and remember how he was in college...I thought he was worth a shot.

Wondering if they felt him more of an inside guy and think they are ok there for now and more interested in outside guys and DEs than another ILB. Who knows...but the interest seemed to go away pretty quick. Some will say $$$...but nobody really knows. Sure is possible.

Doesn't really matter to me what the reason is. Results should be what matters, and so far this free agency period has been a disappointmentgreat because Thompson hasn't drastically overspent on marginal players.

Fixed.

Sorry I forgot how important it is to stay way under the cap every year.

It is when you have the boatload of players the Packers have entering free agency in 2010. Championships are won in December and January, not in March. The Packers are much closer to the 13-3 team of 2007 than the 6-10 team of 2008 and no backup linebaker is going to take them over the top. I'd much rather Thompson used that money to extend Kampman, Jennings and Tramon Williams.

Id add that Id love to get some depth on the Dline and Oline as well.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

Reading about him and remember how he was in college...I thought he was worth a shot.

Wondering if they felt him more of an inside guy and think they are ok there for now and more interested in outside guys and DEs than another ILB. Who knows...but the interest seemed to go away pretty quick. Some will say $$...but nobody really knows. Sure is possible.

Doesn't really matter to me what the reason is. Results should be what matters, and so far this free agency period has been a disappointmentgreat because Thompson hasn't drastically overspent on marginal players.

Fixed.

Sorry I forgot how important it is to stay way under the cap every year.

It is when you have the boatload of players the Packers have entering free agency in 2010. Championships are won in December and January, not in March. The Packers are much closer to the 13-3 team of 2007 than the 6-10 team of 2008 and no backup linebaker is going to take them over the top. I'd much rather Thompson used that money to extend Kampman, Jennings and Tramon Williams.

The thing I think many people are missing here is the fact TT doesn't lose his own good players. Who exactly has left the Packers and gone on to become a good player elsewhere? The closest possible would be Mike Wahle, but I would argue that Wahle was okay for the Panthers, and TT was put in a bad cap situation from the Sherman era. Since he's gotten them out of cap hell, no ones left in FA of any real value.

So after the 2009 season the Packers are facing these players hitting FA.

Greg Jennings

Nick Collins

Aaron Kampman

Ryan Pickett

Johnny Jolly

Chad Clifton

Daryn Colledge

Jason Spitz

Brandon Chillar

Will Blackmon

Thats 8 starters and 2 key reserves. Some of them are in line for big raises. My preference would be to keep who the Packers want on that list, rather than take a chance on a UFA like Canty or Olshansky.

The official NFL salary cap for the 2008 was $116,729,000.

The Packers spent $118,722,336 in 2008.

The Packers carried forward (added to that amount from 2007 through the LTBE loophole) $9,430,581, giving them a cap total for 2008 of $126,159,581.

I know thats a lot of numbers to comprehend. What it means is this: The Packers spend more than the NFL salary cap in 2008. Almost 2 million more. I know this is hard for a lot of the TT haters to believe, but its true. Its also true they didn't spend the whole 126 Million they created from themselves in 2008. However, they pushed much of this money forward again into 2009.

Like it or not, TT has his philosophy. Its all about drafting and retaining his own players. If that fails to produce a starter at a specific position, and something of quality is available in FA that's when he will test the FA waters. (see Pickett, Woodson, Chillar).

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

Good stuff from Bob McGinn's chat today on JS Online. Had to share this snippet:

Q: gooseone - Bob, Are the 6-10 Green Bay Packers so close that they can rely on the draft to solve all their problems? Given their history of drafting over the last few years who can believe their going to get it done!

A: Bob McGinn - Goose: The Packers believe 6-10 was an aberration and that they're closer to a 10-win team. With that in mind, they saw no need to sign someone else's castoffs. And that's essentially what UFA is nowadays. Their drafting record has been hit or miss.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

An interesting draft-related note from Wes Bunting (NFL agent) at the NF Post regarding use of the the 40 yd dash when evaluating pass rushers:

Behind The Times: The 10 Yard SplitPosted By Wes Bunting On March 11, 2009 @ 12:00 pm In College Scouting, Draft 2009, Featured, News | 20 CommentsFROM WES BUNTING:One of the biggest misconceptions that emerge from the NFL Combine each year is the importance of 40-yard dash times. The 40 is the considered the glamour event of the Combine, and every year NFL executives, scouts, draftniks and fans (including me) get carried away by some of the mind-boggling times. This often puts too much value on a player’s ability to run fast more than it does his pure football talent. Am I saying that the testing at the Combine isn’t important? No, but the test needs to be evaluated more from a football-related standpoint. One of the most important and consistently overlooked measurements at the Combine is the first 10 yards of the 40, known as the 10-yard split. This is simply a measurement to see how fast a prospect can cover 10 yards. It’s great to see how fast someone can run 40 yards, but how often in an NFL game are players required to cover that distance on one play? A more reasonable measurement, and a better indicator of “football speed,” is 10 yards. [1] A 10-yard split measures the short-area burst of an NFL prospect and allows scouts to determine if the prospect is a two-stepper (a player who can get up to full speed in two steps) or a strider (a player who needs to hit full stride to reach his top speed). Since football players as a whole are consistently forced to explode in and out of their breaks throughout the game, short-area explosion is a pivotal reflection of a player’s overall “football speed.”The 10-yard split is a vital time gauge for every position in the NFL, but it’s arguably more important for edge pass rushers than other positions. Pure pass rushing specialists who rely on their first step to gain an advantage on offensive tackles need to display explosive first-step quickness out of the stance. Therefore, the timing of a pass rusher’s 10-yard split is an excellent indicator of how quickly he can explode off the ball and cover the ground needed to get after the quarterback. So to put this into perspective, I broke down some of this year’s top hybrid defensive end/outside linebackers to give you an idea what prospects’ 10-yard splits are NFL-worthy and what prospects’ fast 40 times are simply a mirage. To put the 10-yard splits into perspective, I constructed a range of times using only the DE/OLB position.Note: NFL Combine times as a whole have gone down dramatically each of the past couple of years, so the most relevant times are those from the past three years. A "Great” 10-Yard Split Time (1.55 seconds and under)Cliff Avril, Lions: 1.50 (2008)Chris Long, Rams: 1.53 (2008)A “Good” 10-Yard Split Time (1.56-159)Gaines Adams, Buccaneers: 1.58 (2007)Derrick Harvey, Jaguars: 1.59 (2008)An “Average” 10-Yard Split Time (1.6-1.62)Kamerion Wimbley, Browns: 1.6 (2006)Bruce Davis, Steelers: 1.62 (2008)Below Average 10-Yard Split Times (1.63-1.69)Charles Johnson, Panthers: 1.63 (2007)Anthony Spencer, Cowboys: 1.64 (2007) With an eye toward the 2009 draft class, we can now rank the nation’s top pass rushing DE/OLB hybrids according to their 10-yard split times and break down what each time means. 1. Clay Matthews, USC (6-3, 240), 10-yard split: 1.49Matthews made the jaws of a couple scouts drop after he posted a time of 1.49 seconds in his 10-yard split. To put it into perspective, only nine cornerbacks at the Combine ran faster. Matthews obviously possesses an explosive first step and gets up to speed very quickly. He’s proven he has the burst to rush off the edge, which is one reason he’s considered among the nation’s top 3-4 outside linebacker prospects. 2. Aaron Maybin, Penn State (6-4, 249), 10-yard split: 1.55It’s obvious on tape that Maybin possesses an explosive first step off the edge. However, what makes him even tougher to block is his ability to consistently be the first defensive lineman moving off the snap and consistently firing off the ball on time. Maybin didn’t have the 40 time many expected (4.79), but his 10-yard split proved he has the first step to reach the edge. 3. Connor Barwin, Cincinnati (6-4, 256), 10-yard split: 1.57His 4.59 40 time got all the attention, but Barwin’s ability to coil up in his stance and fire off the ball will make him a success in the NFL. He’s a gifted athlete who has the motor and burst to get after the quarterback. However, his 1.57 split proves he has the first-step explosion to make things happen as a down defensive end. 4. Everette Brown, Florida State (6-2, 256), 10-yard split: 1.58Brown measured in a bit shorter than expected at the Combine but ran well, even though I expected his split to be a bit faster. However, Brown plays so low that it’s tough for offensive tackles to get a good punch on him. Brown isn’t just a straight-line athlete; his ability to bend and dip around the edge coupled with his burst allows him to create a lot of havoc versus the pass.5. Clint Sintim, Virginia (6-3, 256), 10-yard split: 1.59Sintim displays impressive get-off speed for his size and showcases good explosion from a two-point stance. There isn’t much flash to his game, but he has enough burst to be a solid contributor off the edge and get after the passer.6. Larry English, Northern Illinois (6-2, 255), 10-yard split: 1.64I worried about English’s ability to coil up and fire out of his stance on film, and his time confirms my suspicions. He consistently comes off the ball too high for my liking, and I don’t think he has the burst to be successful as a pass rushing defensive end. English needs to stand up in a two-point stance to be effective, but his 4.82 40 time doesn’t do much for teams concerned about his ability to play in space. Overall, the 10-yard split is simply another tool to help scouts determine the caliber of player they’re evaluating. Now, I would not consider the 10-yard split to be the end all of evaluations for pass rushers because there are always expectations and other athletic tests to help evaluate them (short shuttle and three-cone drills). However, when scouting pass rushers, I think it’s critical to put more weight on the 10-yard split than a more attractive 40-yard time.

This caught my eye because I have seen Mathews, Maybin and Brown mentioned as prospects for the Packers at #9.

 

[sho nuff]

An interesting draft-related note from Wes Bunting (NFL agent) at the NF Post regarding use of the the 40 yd dash when evaluating pass rushers:

Behind The Times: The 10 Yard SplitPosted By Wes Bunting On March 11, 2009 @ 12:00 pm In College Scouting, Draft 2009, Featured, News | 20 CommentsFROM WES BUNTING:One of the biggest misconceptions that emerge from the NFL Combine each year is the importance of 40-yard dash times. The 40 is the considered the glamour event of the Combine, and every year NFL executives, scouts, draftniks and fans (including me) get carried away by some of the mind-boggling times. This often puts too much value on a player’s ability to run fast more than it does his pure football talent. Am I saying that the testing at the Combine isn’t important? No, but the test needs to be evaluated more from a football-related standpoint. One of the most important and consistently overlooked measurements at the Combine is the first 10 yards of the 40, known as the 10-yard split. This is simply a measurement to see how fast a prospect can cover 10 yards. It’s great to see how fast someone can run 40 yards, but how often in an NFL game are players required to cover that distance on one play? A more reasonable measurement, and a better indicator of “football speed,” is 10 yards. [1] A 10-yard split measures the short-area burst of an NFL prospect and allows scouts to determine if the prospect is a two-stepper (a player who can get up to full speed in two steps) or a strider (a player who needs to hit full stride to reach his top speed). Since football players as a whole are consistently forced to explode in and out of their breaks throughout the game, short-area explosion is a pivotal reflection of a player’s overall “football speed.”The 10-yard split is a vital time gauge for every position in the NFL, but it’s arguably more important for edge pass rushers than other positions. Pure pass rushing specialists who rely on their first step to gain an advantage on offensive tackles need to display explosive first-step quickness out of the stance. Therefore, the timing of a pass rusher’s 10-yard split is an excellent indicator of how quickly he can explode off the ball and cover the ground needed to get after the quarterback. So to put this into perspective, I broke down some of this year’s top hybrid defensive end/outside linebackers to give you an idea what prospects’ 10-yard splits are NFL-worthy and what prospects’ fast 40 times are simply a mirage. To put the 10-yard splits into perspective, I constructed a range of times using only the DE/OLB position.Note: NFL Combine times as a whole have gone down dramatically each of the past couple of years, so the most relevant times are those from the past three years. A "Great” 10-Yard Split Time (1.55 seconds and under)Cliff Avril, Lions: 1.50 (2008)Chris Long, Rams: 1.53 (2008)A “Good” 10-Yard Split Time (1.56-159)Gaines Adams, Buccaneers: 1.58 (2007)Derrick Harvey, Jaguars: 1.59 (2008)An “Average” 10-Yard Split Time (1.6-1.62)Kamerion Wimbley, Browns: 1.6 (2006)Bruce Davis, Steelers: 1.62 (2008)Below Average 10-Yard Split Times (1.63-1.69)Charles Johnson, Panthers: 1.63 (2007)Anthony Spencer, Cowboys: 1.64 (2007) With an eye toward the 2009 draft class, we can now rank the nation’s top pass rushing DE/OLB hybrids according to their 10-yard split times and break down what each time means. 1. Clay Matthews, USC (6-3, 240), 10-yard split: 1.49Matthews made the jaws of a couple scouts drop after he posted a time of 1.49 seconds in his 10-yard split. To put it into perspective, only nine cornerbacks at the Combine ran faster. Matthews obviously possesses an explosive first step and gets up to speed very quickly. He’s proven he has the burst to rush off the edge, which is one reason he’s considered among the nation’s top 3-4 outside linebacker prospects. 2. Aaron Maybin, Penn State (6-4, 249), 10-yard split: 1.55It’s obvious on tape that Maybin possesses an explosive first step off the edge. However, what makes him even tougher to block is his ability to consistently be the first defensive lineman moving off the snap and consistently firing off the ball on time. Maybin didn’t have the 40 time many expected (4.79), but his 10-yard split proved he has the first step to reach the edge. 3. Connor Barwin, Cincinnati (6-4, 256), 10-yard split: 1.57His 4.59 40 time got all the attention, but Barwin’s ability to coil up in his stance and fire off the ball will make him a success in the NFL. He’s a gifted athlete who has the motor and burst to get after the quarterback. However, his 1.57 split proves he has the first-step explosion to make things happen as a down defensive end. 4. Everette Brown, Florida State (6-2, 256), 10-yard split: 1.58Brown measured in a bit shorter than expected at the Combine but ran well, even though I expected his split to be a bit faster. However, Brown plays so low that it’s tough for offensive tackles to get a good punch on him. Brown isn’t just a straight-line athlete; his ability to bend and dip around the edge coupled with his burst allows him to create a lot of havoc versus the pass.5. Clint Sintim, Virginia (6-3, 256), 10-yard split: 1.59Sintim displays impressive get-off speed for his size and showcases good explosion from a two-point stance. There isn’t much flash to his game, but he has enough burst to be a solid contributor off the edge and get after the passer.6. Larry English, Northern Illinois (6-2, 255), 10-yard split: 1.64I worried about English’s ability to coil up and fire out of his stance on film, and his time confirms my suspicions. He consistently comes off the ball too high for my liking, and I don’t think he has the burst to be successful as a pass rushing defensive end. English needs to stand up in a two-point stance to be effective, but his 4.82 40 time doesn’t do much for teams concerned about his ability to play in space. Overall, the 10-yard split is simply another tool to help scouts determine the caliber of player they’re evaluating. Now, I would not consider the 10-yard split to be the end all of evaluations for pass rushers because there are always expectations and other athletic tests to help evaluate them (short shuttle and three-cone drills). However, when scouting pass rushers, I think it’s critical to put more weight on the 10-yard split than a more attractive 40-yard time.

This caught my eye because I have seen Mathews, Maybin and Brown mentioned as prospects for the Packers at #9.

Ive liked Matthews but keep thinking 9 is too high for him. I love Brown at 9...Maybin is a bit of a reach there but not bad. One of those, probably getting a good player, but not worth a top 10 pick kind of guy.If somehow Brown, Raji, and Orakpo are gone, I would not mind a trade down and be able to still bring in Matthews.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

Jarrett Bush signed to $1m offer sheet by the Titans... this is weird not only because he sucks in pass coverage, but because that's a lot to pay for a ST player.

 

[sho nuff]

Jarrett Bush signed to $1m offer sheet by the Titans... this is weird not only because he sucks in pass coverage, but because that's a lot to pay for a ST player.

He has not even been that good on ST the last year or so.And had a major gaffe in that NFC title game when trying to pick up the fumble rather than falling on it.

 

[sho nuff]

Jarrett Bush signed to $1m offer sheet by the Titans... this is weird not only because he sucks in pass coverage, but because that's a lot to pay for a ST player.

Ugh....and the Pack match the offer to retain Bush.

 

[fatkid]

Packers resigned Mike Montgomery

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/41391807.html

 

[CletiusMaximus]

another cool Packer story from Andrew Brandt

Closing A Deal From The Beach

In the blur of free-agent deals over the first couple of weeks, there was a little-publicized note that the Browns had reached an agreement with linebacker David Bowens, who played last season for the New York Jets. Bowens became the fourth Jets player signed by the Browns since Eric Mangini became coach and moved his operation – and a few of his players – from New Jersey to Cleveland.

I am pleasantly surprised that Bowens is still in the NFL and apparently thriving, having received a decent free-agent contract to be a rotational player on the Browns’ defensive line. I will always remember David from his time in Green Bay, although it was brief. His file was thick, full of unpaid bills and repossessed cars, but behind that carelessness appeared to be a good person who had the smarts to get his act together — and has evidently done so.

I still recall the day we traded Bowens. After signing all our draft picks, I usually took off for a couple of days to a local beach north of Green Bay on Lake Michigan. I was doing just that when a call came in as I was on a remote beach with my son. It was Mike Sherman – our head coach and general manager – and the late Mark Hatley, our vice president of player personnel. We’d had a couple of tight ends go down in the first few practices and needed to get another tight end in camp. We had a tentative deal with the Buffalo Bills to bring in a tight end named Bobby Collins in exchange for, yes, David Bowens. They needed me to write up the language and confirm the deal with the league, which was my responsibility. Although not the ideal place for this to occur, I could handle it with my cell phone as I walked along the sandy dunes of Lake Michigan. Until my cell phone died. No service, no bars, nothing.

I was dripping wet in my trunks and had my toddler son Sam with me. I looked around and saw no public phones in sight. The only hope I had was the small ranger shack in the state park we were in. That was sure to have a phone, I thought. I gathered Sam and trudged up to the shack. I walked in and saw was an official-looking park ranger sitting at his desk with, yes, a phone. He looked at me — standing there in my wet trunks with Sam — with some skepticism, which was only raised by my request to use his phone. He barely gave me a look; I couldn’t use the phone, he said. I then took a deep breath and said, “I’m with the Green Bay Packers and we’re about to make a trade. My phone died and I really need to use a phone to complete this trade.”

The park ranger looked at me and my son in our dripping bathing suits and no shirts and treated my statement with the kind of reaction you would expect — a sort of “Sure you are!” and waived me off.

This was going nowhere, and the clock was ticking on the trade. So I looked the park ranger dead in the eye and said, “Listen, I am with the Packers. We are trading David Bowens to the Buffalo Bills, and this trade won’t happen unless I can use your phone right now!” I prayed this would have some kind of impact.

It did. I knew I had an opening when he looked at me, looked at Sam, then looked back at me, squinted and said, “We’re trading Bowens?”

I pounced. “Yes, but only if I can use your phone!”

“Why are we trading Bowens?” he asked.

“I’d be happy to tell you after I use your phone!” I told him. He then mumbled something about trading Bowens and slowly pushed his old rotary-dial phone toward me. I called the Packers, called the league, called the Bills and consummated the trade of Bowens. The Ranger sat there watching with an obvious satisfaction of being involved, although he was skeptical about our decision to trade Bowens.

The deal went through and was published in the paper the next day. I thought I would stop by the ranger hut and show him the headline. It turned out he had it sitting on his desk, telling his colleagues and visiting beachgoers that he had been part of the trade. Indeed, he was.

There are no fans – or park rangers, for that matter – like Packers fans.

David Bowens has come a long way, and through a lot of teams, in signing his free agent deal last week. Glad to see he’s doing well; his story might have been different if not for the ranger that day at the beach.

 

[Aaronstory]

Really like the Duke Preston signing.

 

[Balco]

Really like the Duke Preston signing.

Provides a lot of versatility.

I am hoping that they take a long look at Andre Smith, now. I like BJ Raji a ton, but I think there is no way he will be there at their pick. Smith would be a beast at right tackle, and then should slide over to left in 2010.

 

[sho nuff]

Really like the Duke Preston signing.

Provides a lot of versatility.

I am hoping that they take a long look at Andre Smith, now. I like BJ Raji a ton, but I think there is no way he will be there at their pick. Smith would be a beast at right tackle, and then should slide over to left in 2010.

I like the Preston signing for depth for sure. Gives them the ability to move Colledge around if they need to...Sitton too.Smith is growing on me. Reading about his pro day...how several were disappointed in some things, but loved his footwork got me intrigued.

As did McCarthy's recent comments about the Oline and how the zone blocking would be the base but they are working in more power/man blocking assignments.

I think Raji goes to Cinci at the latest.

I still like Orakpo and Brown though in the 1st...but the Smith pick is starting to make more sense.

 

[Aaronstory]

Really like the Duke Preston signing.

Provides a lot of versatility.

I am hoping that they take a long look at Andre Smith, now. I like BJ Raji a ton, but I think there is no way he will be there at their pick. Smith would be a beast at right tackle, and then should slide over to left in 2010.

I like the Preston signing for depth for sure. Gives them the ability to move Colledge around if they need to...Sitton too.Smith is growing on me. Reading about his pro day...how several were disappointed in some things, but loved his footwork got me intrigued.

As did McCarthy's recent comments about the Oline and how the zone blocking would be the base but they are working in more power/man blocking assignments.

I think Raji goes to Cinci at the latest.

I still like Orakpo and Brown though in the 1st...but the Smith pick is starting to make more sense.

I think they have to take Smith if he's there, esp since my guess is that both Raji and Orakpo will be gone...

 

[Balco]

Really like the Duke Preston signing.

Provides a lot of versatility.

I am hoping that they take a long look at Andre Smith, now. I like BJ Raji a ton, but I think there is no way he will be there at their pick. Smith would be a beast at right tackle, and then should slide over to left in 2010.

I like the Preston signing for depth for sure. Gives them the ability to move Colledge around if they need to...Sitton too.Smith is growing on me. Reading about his pro day...how several were disappointed in some things, but loved his footwork got me intrigued.

As did McCarthy's recent comments about the Oline and how the zone blocking would be the base but they are working in more power/man blocking assignments.

I think Raji goes to Cinci at the latest.

I still like Orakpo and Brown though in the 1st...but the Smith pick is starting to make more sense.

That is the key. As Packer fans, we found out the hard way that it doesn't matter how you look with Pads off (see Mandarich, Tony), it's what you do in the game. Andre Smith is an elite talent.

 

[3nOut]

Can someone please point me to the OFFICIAL Green Bay Packers Off-Season Thread?

 

[trader jake]

Can someone please point me to the OFFICIAL Green Bay Packers Off-Season Thread?

You're welcome

 

[jurrassic]

This thread has been in hibernation for awhile. With the draft less than 2 weeks away, I am really thinking the draft is shaping up with another Thompson trade down scenario. If Raji is off the board, I don't see any of the OLB being worth the #9, unless Orakpo falls who apparently TT really likes. Jackson is a possibility at DE but I think the Packers can move down 4-5 spots and pick up another 3rd and still get a pretty good player in someone like Maybin.

 

[massraider]

Is it really that far out of the realm of possibility for the Pack to trade up?

 

[jurrassic]

Is it really that far out of the realm of possibility for the Pack to trade up?

In the first round it is as close to a lock as you can get. The Packers will not trade up.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

This thread has been in hibernation for awhile. With the draft less than 2 weeks away, I am really thinking the draft is shaping up with another Thompson trade down scenario. If Raji is off the board, I don't see any of the OLB being worth the #9, unless Orakpo falls who apparently TT really likes. Jackson is a possibility at DE but I think the Packers can move down 4-5 spots and pick up another 3rd and still get a pretty good player in someone like Maybin.

It appears possible or likely that the Packers defense will line up in a 4-3 as often as they are in a 3-4 this season, but nonetheless I found these "specialty" 3-4 defense rankings from the National Football Post interesting:

NFP Specialty Rankings: 3-4 Defense

Posted By Wes Bunting On April 10, 2009 @ 12:48 pm In College Scouting, Draft 2009, Featured, News | 29 Comments

In the final part of the National Football Post’s position analysis, we take a closer look at the nation’s top 3-4 defensive prospects. Every year, more NFL teams are in need of unique 3-4 position players, so let’s break down the top guys at each spot.

3-4 DE

Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State (6-5, 288)

Tyson Jackson, LSU (6-4, 296)

Alex Magee, Purdue (6-3, 298)

Fili Moala, USC (6-4, 305)

Everette Pedescleaux, Northern Iowa (6-6, 305)

Zach Potter, Nebraska (6-7, 279)

Khalif Mitchell, East Carolina (6-5, 318)

Kyle Moore, USC (6-5, 272)

Matt Shaughnessy, Wisconsin (6-5, 266)

Pannel Egboh, Stanford (6-6, 276)

The top two five-technique defensive ends in this year’s draft are Gilbert and Jackson. Both are tall, long-armed linemen with good base strength and an ability to stack blocks on the outside. Gilbert is a better athlete and offers teams a much higher ceiling. Jackson reminds me a bit of former first-round pick Marcus Spears and will likely come in and start from day one — but he doesn’t offer as much upside.

Defensive tackles Moala and Magee may both be best suited to play in a 4-3 scheme, but with a lack of capable five-technique ends in the draft, I can definitely see a team taking a chance on one of these two linemen. Magee is a DT/DE tweener who is only 6-3 but has long arms (35 inches) and a strong upper body. Moala’s transition to the 3-4 DE position may take some time since he doesn’t use his hands as well as Magee. But he does have a strong base, good length and the stack-and-shed ability needed for the position.

One guy to keep an eye on is Pedescleaux. The 6-6, 305-pound lineman has ideal size, athletic ability and length but needs time to develop in an NFL scheme. He possesses a very intriguing skill set for the position and could definitely develop into a starter.

Nose Tackles

B.J. Raji, Boston College (6-2, 337)

Ron Brace, Boston College (6-3, 330)

Dorell Scott, Clemson (6-3, 312)

Chris Baker, Hampton (6-2, 326)

Roy Miller, Texas (6-1, 310)

Sammie Lee Hill, Stillman (6-4, 329)

Vaughn Martin, Western Ontario (6-3, 331)

Myron Pryor, Kentucky (6-0, 319)

Terrance Taylor, Michigan (6-0, 306)

Antonio Dixon, Miami (6-3, 324)

Interior linemen Raji and Brace take the top two spots on the nose tackle board; both possess the size, girth and base strength to hold the point of attack and eat up blockers inside. Raji is a more explosive athlete and will be able to play three downs at the next level, while Brace is more of a two-down plugger who is best suited to clog run lanes inside. Clemson’s Scott has been consistently overlooked throughout the draft process but showcases some intriguing tools and athleticism for his size to develop inside. He’s a surprisingly polished nose tackle and has the base strength and technique to control blockers at the point of attack. He definitely has the athletic ability to two-gap and should be able to add a little more weight and not lose much athleticism.

Small-school prospects Baker and Hill both have the size for the position, but what makes them intriguing is their natural athleticism and quickness inside. Baker played the five-technique position at Hampton and could be asked to play anywhere along the defensive line at the next level. However, his short, squatty frame and natural leverage will likely draw some interest among teams in need of a nose. Hill, on the other hand, was an absolute man among boys last season at Stillman, but he still has a way to go from a technique standpoint. However, all the tools are there and he likely will be drafted a bit higher than most think because of his immense upside.

Finally, one guy who has really climbed up drafts boards of late is Western Ontario’s Martin. He possesses a big, thickly built frame with good upper body strength and athleticism for his size. He, like any other small-school prospect, is still raw and has a learning curve, but the physical skill set is there. You have to believe a team would be interested in developing a 6-3, 331-pound specimen who can run a sub-5.0 40.

3-4 OLB

Everette Brown, Florida State (6-2, 256)

Connor Barwin, Cincinnati (6-4, 256)

Clay Matthews, USC (6-4, 240)

Larry English, Northern Illinois (6-2, 255)

Clint Sintim, Virginia (6-3, 256)

Lee Robinson, Alcorn State (6-2, 249)

Cody Brown, Connecticut (6-2, 244)

Julius Williams, Connecticut (6-2, 252)

Victor Butler, Oregon State (6-2, 248)

Pierre Walters, Eastern Illinois (6-4, 269)

Slade Norris, Oregon State (6-2, 232)

Jovan Belcher, Maine (6-2, 243)

Phillip Hunt, Houston (6-1, 244)

Moise Fokou, Maryland (6-1, 233)

Jamaal Westerman, Rutgers (6-2, 257)

One of the toughest evaluations for any NFL team is the ability to predict the success of an undersized DE to the 3-4 OLB position. I purposely left USC’s Brian Cushing off the list because I firmly believe he’s best suited to play inside in a 3-4 scheme. I don’t think he possesses the fluidity to play in space or will offer as much as most scouts think as a pass rusher.

Everette Brown is considered the nation’s top rush linebacker as he showcases the first step burst and closing speed to consistently be a force off the edge. He’s a bit undersized to be an any every down DE but has the quickness and fluidity to play in space and rush off the edge. Barwin, Matthews and English all fall into that next tier of pass rushers and should come off the board in the mid/late first or second round range and eventually become starters.

Small-school prospects Walters, Robinson and Belcher have experience rushing the passer and showcase the athleticism to stand-up in the 3-4 OLB role. Robinson offers the most intriguing skill set to me, as he plays with a strong base, good flexibility and natural leverage off the edge. He exhibits a good first step and has the upper body strength to disengage from blockers on the outside. Robinson is being viewed as a mid/late round pick in most draft circles, but I think he has a lot of added value to a 3-4 defense as an outside or even an inside linebacker.

3-4 ILB

Rey Maualuga, USC (6-2, 249)

Brian Cushing, USC (6-3, 243)

Frantz Joseph, Florida Atlantic (6-1, 242)

Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina (6-2, 252)

Clint Sintim, Virginia (6-3, 256)

Antonio Appleby, Virginia (6-4, 243)

Nick Reed, Oregon (6-2, 245)

Mortty Ivy, West Virginia (6-2, 248)

Josh Mauga, Nevada (6-2, 243)

Ronnie Palmer, Arizona (6-2, 245)

USC’s Maualuga and Cushing are the top two middle linebackers on our board, but both bring different skill sets to the position. Maualuga is a physical, downhill linebacker who loves to attack the ball and create collisions at the line of scrimmage. He needs to become a bit more disciplined but also offers the ability to create a pass rush inside. Cushing is a more instinctive linebacker who diagnoses plays quickly and will always be flowing toward the ball. He does offer some versatility to kick outside, but I feel his best spot will be inside a 3-4.

Another versatile prospect is Sintim, a pass rushing OLB in Virginia’s 3-4 defense who is now also being considered as a 3-4 inside linebacker. Sintim really struggled with his fluidity in space at this year’s Senior Bowl and did not show the type of explosive pass rush ability I expected. However, he possesses a strong frame, smooth footwork and, like Cushing, will add some versatility to a defensive scheme.

Reed, a former defensive end at Oregon, was never given a chance by NFL scouts, no matter how productive he was in college. But after posting a 4.71 40 time at his pro day, he’s now being taken more seriously. At 6-2, 245 pounds, Reed is undersized for the defensive end position, but he plays with reckless abandon, works hard and I think his skill set might be best suited to play inside linebacker in a 3-4. Reed is considered more of a late-round prospect who doesn’t possess much upside, but all the guy has ever done is produce. He should get a shot somewhere at the next level.

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[jurrassic]

1 Sep 13 CHI @ GB Lambeau Field 8:20 PM Tickets NBC

2 Sep 20 CIN @ GB Lambeau Field 1:00 PM Tickets CBS

3 Sep 27 GB @ STL Edward Jones Dome 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

4 Oct 05 GB @ MIN Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome 8:20 PM Tickets ESPN

5 Bye

6 Oct 18 DET @ GB Lambeau Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

7 Oct 25 GB @ CLE Cleveland Browns Stadium 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

8 Nov 01 MIN @ GB Lambeau Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

9 Nov 08 GB @ TB Raymond James Stadium 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

10 Nov 15 DAL @ GB Lambeau Field 4:15 PM Tickets FOX

11 Nov 22 SF @ GB Lambeau Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

12 Nov 26 GB @ DET Ford Field 12:30 PM Tickets FOX

13 Dec 07 BAL @ GB Lambeau Field 8:30 PM Tickets ESPN

14 Dec 13 GB @ CHI Soldier Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

15 Dec 20 GB @ PIT Heinz Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

16 Dec 27 SEA @ GB Lambeau Field 1:00 PM Tickets FOX

17 Jan 03 GB @ ARI University of Phoenix Stadium 4:15 PM Tickets FOX

Looking at this schedule I feel like they have a real good chance to be in the 9-7 to 11-5 range. They have a real good chance to start 4-1. The biggest question is how slowly they transition into the 3-4. The easier front half of the schedule will allow them to get adjusted to the new schemes. I think they beat Chicago (1), Cin, Det (2), Stl, Tampa, Cle, SF, Det, Min (1), Sea. That is not that unreasonable and it puts them at 11 wins. This would be best case scenario, but not impossible.

 

[VTjkru]

Weeks 14-16 are going to be rough. If they can get their act together early in the season, they'll be alright if they falter there.

 

[el centro]

I don't know if this was mentioned previously in this thread (too long to read it all), but having watched TT draft for the past 5(?) seasons - I'd be shocked if he stands pat in this one! I think if Sanchez is still there at 9, he'll likely slide down to whoever is itchin to move up & grab him! I think Raji is likely going prior to the Pack, and I don't see any of the stellar guys falling like Curry... A slide to 17 from the Jets, and pickup another 2 or 3... be a nice move IMO.

 

[fatkid]

I don't know if this was mentioned previously in this thread (too long to read it all), but having watched TT draft for the past 5(?) seasons - I'd be shocked if he stands pat in this one! I think if Sanchez is still there at 9, he'll likely slide down to whoever is itchin to move up & grab him! I think Raji is likely going prior to the Pack, and I don't see any of the stellar guys falling like Curry... A slide to 17 from the Jets, and pickup another 2 or 3... be a nice move IMO.

I agree they would, but I expect the Jaguars to trade down in front of them

 

[sho nuff]

I don't know if this was mentioned previously in this thread (too long to read it all), but having watched TT draft for the past 5(?) seasons - I'd be shocked if he stands pat in this one! I think if Sanchez is still there at 9, he'll likely slide down to whoever is itchin to move up & grab him! I think Raji is likely going prior to the Pack, and I don't see any of the stellar guys falling like Curry... A slide to 17 from the Jets, and pickup another 2 or 3... be a nice move IMO.

One of the things I read the other day was about his philosophy in the first and how it differs from what fans like.Fans seem to always want that impact guy, risk be damned. TT, by the article, is more of a find a guy who will be a solid pro for your team for years to come. They talked how much the Packers like Oher and Tyson Jackson and how they think both with be solid guys for years...rather than having that big boom or bust stigma attached to them as some of the others have. Now, this kind of flies in the face of the reasoning for taking Justin Harrell a few years ago.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

It's easy to guess they'll trade down simply because we haven't heard about them favoring anyone. I'm sure they do have a favorite, the question is whether he's "worth" the #9 pick - and even if he's not (per prevailing opinion) GB might take him anyway. I have absolutely no idea who they'll pick. But for the record, I'll reiterate my mock pick of Knowshon Moreno.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

Thompson's drafting is interesting every year. I'd be shocked if anyone had Jordy Nelson as even a remote possibility for the Packers top pick last year. He could go with just about any position on the roster other than QB or special teams. WR is highly unlikely, but who knows? I'm just very intrigued - may even tune in on Saturday to see the pick live this year. Anyone have an idea what time the #9 pick will come?

 

[Kleck]

The actual drafts doesn't start until 3pm LFT (Lambeau Field Time).

10 minutes per pick... Not a strong consensus for the top 5... I'm thinking most teams use up about all of their time hoping/listening for trades etc.

I'll guess the Packers get OTC at 4:12 pm LFT.

 

[Kleck]

PU - 4/20

Buffalo called the Packers about Jason Peters, but the player's monetary demands made for a very short conversation. The Bills wound up trading the two-time Pro Bowl left tackle to Philly, where he quickly agreed to terms on a six-year contract worth over $60 million.....

Extending wide receiver Greg Jennings may be a top priority, but it won’t be easy. Negotiator Russ Ball exchanged numbers with agent Eugene Parker late last month and we hear that the two sides are far apart. Talks have been amicable up to this point, but that could change as training camp approaches.....

This is shaping up to be yet another lost offseason for defensive lineman Justin Harrell. For the third consecutive spring, the former Tennessee star is rehabilitating an injury (back) and not working out with his teammates. GM Ted Thompson and coach Mike McCarthy aren’t ready to write off Harrell just yet, but they certainly aren’t counting on him either.....

It would be a big surprise if Green Bay doesn’t draft an offensive tackle next Saturday. If not Mississippi's Michael Oher in round one, don’t be shocked to see Thompson trade up from 41 to grab Eben Britton. Scouts aren’t convinced that the former Arizona star can play left tackle in the NFL, but he should be able to start at right tackle immediately and eventually develop into a star.....

And finally, we hear that James Jones reported to workouts in terrific shape. A nagging knee injury made the young receiver a forgotten man in 2008, but he figures very prominently in the team's plans for the upcoming season.

 

[jurrassic]

I am starting to believe that the Packers will make the pick at #9 and will most likley take Tyson Jackson. It is a need and I don't have a huge issue with it if it is the pick. I am just not that excited about it. I would prefer Raji or a trade down.

 

[Man in the yellow hat]

I am starting to believe that the Packers will make the pick at #9 and will most likley take Tyson Jackson. It is a need and I don't have a huge issue with it if it is the pick. I am just not that excited about it. I would prefer Raji or a trade down.

Well, from what I've read and digested on Raji, it doesn't sound like he fits the traditional mold of what a NT does in a 3-4. I love his potential, but it seems like he'd be wasted by mostly taking up blockers in the 3-4. Plus, there isn't a long list of 3-4 NTs that are drafted early. Seems like you can find those guys later. Ron Brace might even be a better fit.The more I read about Tyson Jackson, the more I like him. He seems rare in that he can provide pass rush as a 3-4 end, and is big enough to hold up against the run. In that case, I'd really like the pick. A heathly Cullen Jenkins on one end, with Jacksoon on the other and Kampan off the edge? I like that idea a lot.

 

[Kleck]

I wouldn't mind Tyson Jackson. I think he has more natural talent and potential than Canty.

I really can't make up my mind who I like best at #9. I do see quite a drop off from the top OTs to the ones that might be available in the 2nd, so I'd be OK with going OT there. Then there are a few 2nd and later round DTs and OLBs that I like so I won't be too upset if guys like Raji or Orakpo are gone. I also think Malcolm Jenkins is being underrated quite a bit, and from a BPA standpoint he'd be in my top 9.

I don't want to see the Packers trade down too far and miss out on one of the top prospects, but I'd be OK with moving down a few spots if they can still get someone that would have been a consideration at #9 (Jackson, one of the OLBs, maybe even Jenkins). It also might be nice to have an extra pick or two in order to move up in the 2nd if need be. What a shock that would be.

 

[bcr8f]

I wouldn't mind Tyson Jackson. I think he has more natural talent and potential than Canty. I really can't make up my mind who I like best at #9. I do see quite a drop off from the top OTs to the ones that might be available in the 2nd, so I'd be OK with going OT there. Then there are a few 2nd and later round DTs and OLBs that I like so I won't be too upset if guys like Raji or Orakpo are gone. I also think Malcolm Jenkins is being underrated quite a bit, and from a BPA standpoint he'd be in my top 9. I don't want to see the Packers trade down too far and miss out on one of the top prospects, but I'd be OK with moving down a few spots if they can still get someone that would have been a consideration at #9 (Jackson, one of the OLBs, maybe even Jenkins). It also might be nice to have an extra pick or two in order to move up if need be. What a shock that would be.

I like him too if they'd trade down to 12 or so. If Sanchez is there maybe Denver would trade ahead of SF?

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

With respect for the unreliability of stuff cobbled together from news and blogs of the past 2 weeks, I think these are the most likely picks for GB if they stay at #9, in order:

1. Oher

2. Jenkins

3. Jackson

4. a USC LB

 

[Kleck]

If it's a USC LB, I'll be making a video in my basement and posting it on youtube

 

[jurrassic]

I wouldn't mind Tyson Jackson. I think he has more natural talent and potential than Canty. I really can't make up my mind who I like best at #9. I do see quite a drop off from the top OTs to the ones that might be available in the 2nd, so I'd be OK with going OT there. Then there are a few 2nd and later round DTs and OLBs that I like so I won't be too upset if guys like Raji or Orakpo are gone. I also think Malcolm Jenkins is being underrated quite a bit, and from a BPA standpoint he'd be in my top 9. I don't want to see the Packers trade down too far and miss out on one of the top prospects, but I'd be OK with moving down a few spots if they can still get someone that would have been a consideration at #9 (Jackson, one of the OLBs, maybe even Jenkins). It also might be nice to have an extra pick or two in order to move up in the 2nd if need be. What a shock that would be.

I think they could make a trade with the Jets, pick up another pick, and not have to move that far down. I don't mind the Jackson pick, alot of people are comparing him to Ty Warren which is a really good comparions. Ngata was a pretty high pick as a 3-4 nose tackle, and that guy has a huge impact on the Ravens D, which is what I would hope from Raji. I will say that as unsexy as the OT would be as a pick, that is one position that could single handedly ruin the Packers season. With Tauscher out and the possibility Clifton could not make it through the season, they could have 2 tackles who either haven't taken a snap or have played sparingly. The Packers have already said they are not going to move Colledge to tackle, and based on draft reports and the camp reports about Breno, the Packers don't seem that interested in letting Moll play right tackle.

 

[jurrassic]

With the rise of Sanchez and Raji who might both go in the top 5 now, what would you like the Packers to do with Crabtree is there at 9? Obviously not a need and hopefully they can trade out if that is the situation, but the guy might be a top 3 player in this draft. If you can get him at 9 that is value.

 

[sho nuff]

Tyson Jackson is on the rise again...hearing the possiblity that he might even go top 5....seems out there though.

If Crabtree is there at 9...trade down if they can.

 

[jurrassic]

Tyson Jackson is on the rise again...hearing the possiblity that he might even go top 5....seems out there though.If Crabtree is there at 9...trade down if they can.

I was reading that as well. Gil Brandt thinks Freeman will go in the top 10 as well. At 9 they could be trade to a team that wants either Crabtree or Freeman if they are there.

 

[sho nuff]

Tyson Jackson is on the rise again...hearing the possiblity that he might even go top 5....seems out there though.If Crabtree is there at 9...trade down if they can.

I was reading that as well. Gil Brandt thinks Freeman will go in the top 10 as well. At 9 they could be trade to a team that wants either Crabtree or Freeman if they are there.

Id love a trade into that 12-20 range and still take an LB there...I would not mind Maybin as much outside of the top 10.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

There's no way they'd draft and keep Crabtree. Signing him to a #9 contract would send Jennings's price through the roof. Plus there's already the question of playing time between Nelson and Jones. Crabtree would probably not be an "impact" player as a rookie on this team. But he does have the strong hands the Packers look for.

Saw this on Railbird Central... betting odds for GB's pick on BodogLife.com:

B J Raji Even

Brian Orakpo 7/2

Aaron Maybin 4/1

Tyson Jackson 8/1

Robert Ayers 10/1

 

[jurrassic]

There's no way they'd draft and keep Crabtree. Signing him to a #9 contract would send Jennings's price through the roof. Plus there's already the question of playing time between Nelson and Jones. Crabtree would probably not be an "impact" player as a rookie on this team. But he does have the strong hands the Packers look for.Saw this on Railbird Central... betting odds for GB's pick on BodogLife.com:B J Raji EvenBrian Orakpo 7/2Aaron Maybin 4/1Tyson Jackson 8/1Robert Ayers 10/1

I have read and heard that TT is very high on Orakpo. That doesn't mean it's true or that they will pick him, it is just something I have heard numerous times. I would prefer a trade down but I think it will come down to Jackson, Orakpo, and Smith, and Maybin. Maybin seems like a guy TT would draft.

 

[Sabertooth]

There's no way they'd draft and keep Crabtree. Signing him to a #9 contract would send Jennings's price through the roof. Plus there's already the question of playing time between Nelson and Jones. Crabtree would probably not be an "impact" player as a rookie on this team. But he does have the strong hands the Packers look for.Saw this on Railbird Central... betting odds for GB's pick on BodogLife.com:B J Raji EvenBrian Orakpo 7/2Aaron Maybin 4/1Tyson Jackson 8/1Robert Ayers 10/1

None of the reasons support your first sentence. Jennings contract is going to be a lot of money. Maybe too much. Plus, he's already long in the tooth for TT Thompson has shown time and again that he'll pick the BPA. If Crabtree is that guy, then he'll be a Packer. He had Jones going into last season and he still chose Jordy Nelson with his first pick. Nothing has changed, except that now they have Jordy. But having Jordy Nelson isn't enough to pass on Crabtree.

 

[Sabertooth]

There's no way they'd draft and keep Crabtree. Signing him to a #9 contract would send Jennings's price through the roof. Plus there's already the question of playing time between Nelson and Jones. Crabtree would probably not be an "impact" player as a rookie on this team. But he does have the strong hands the Packers look for.Saw this on Railbird Central... betting odds for GB's pick on BodogLife.com:B J Raji EvenBrian Orakpo 7/2Aaron Maybin 4/1Tyson Jackson 8/1Robert Ayers 10/1

I have read and heard that TT is very high on Orakpo. That doesn't mean it's true or that they will pick him, it is just something I have heard numerous times. I would prefer a trade down but I think it will come down to Jackson, Orakpo, and Smith, and Maybin. Maybin seems like a guy TT would draft.

I'd pass on Raji. Any of the next three would be acceptable to me.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

None of the reasons support your first sentence. Jennings contract is going to be a lot of money. Maybe too much. Plus, he's already long in the tooth for TT Thompson has shown time and again that he'll pick the BPA. If Crabtree is that guy, then he'll be a Packer. He had Jones going into last season and he still chose Jordy Nelson with his first pick. Nothing has changed, except that now they have Jordy. But having Jordy Nelson isn't enough to pass on Crabtree.

A 2nd round contract like Nelson is fairly cheap. A top 10 contract for a guy who probably wouldn't start right away is a much higher price. I don't think you have as much leeway with a "BPA" MO in the top ten as you do when you're making your first pick in the 20s or 30s.

 

[jurrassic]

None of the reasons support your first sentence. Jennings contract is going to be a lot of money. Maybe too much. Plus, he's already long in the tooth for TT Thompson has shown time and again that he'll pick the BPA. If Crabtree is that guy, then he'll be a Packer. He had Jones going into last season and he still chose Jordy Nelson with his first pick. Nothing has changed, except that now they have Jordy. But having Jordy Nelson isn't enough to pass on Crabtree.

A 2nd round contract like Nelson is fairly cheap. A top 10 contract for a guy who probably wouldn't start right away is a much higher price. I don't think you have as much leeway with a "BPA" MO in the top ten as you do when you're making your first pick in the 20s or 30s.

Driver is old, and what have Nelson or Jones done to justify passing on a guy like Crabtree? I agree it's not a need, but who cares? Do you pass on Fitzgerald because it's not a need. Great players win Super Bowl titles for teams. I am not saying Crabtree is going to be Fitz. He is going to have some initial issues with running precise routes, but the guy has great hands and goes and gets the ball. Besides Jennings there is not one player one the offensive side of the ball for the Packers who other teams worry about.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I don't think he's a Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald level player. If you do then sure, he'd be worth the pick.

 

[Sabertooth]

None of the reasons support your first sentence. Jennings contract is going to be a lot of money. Maybe too much. Plus, he's already long in the tooth for TT Thompson has shown time and again that he'll pick the BPA. If Crabtree is that guy, then he'll be a Packer. He had Jones going into last season and he still chose Jordy Nelson with his first pick. Nothing has changed, except that now they have Jordy. But having Jordy Nelson isn't enough to pass on Crabtree.

A 2nd round contract like Nelson is fairly cheap. A top 10 contract for a guy who probably wouldn't start right away is a much higher price. I don't think you have as much leeway with a "BPA" MO in the top ten as you do when you're making your first pick in the 20s or 30s.

I realize it wasn't a top 10 contract, but he drafted Rodgers when he knew he wouldn't start for several years.