**Not-so-offical Green Bay Packers Off-season Thread** (1 Viewer)

[BeaverCleaver]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

 

[sho nuff]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

Got to have that trade down partner first...and get value for that pick too.A lot of fans love the trade out of those top spots...at the same time, a lot of teams don't tend to want to trade up much anymore.But I agree...I hope there is not some crazy reach that early.

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I think what TT may be saying there is that Jenkins (CB), Raji (DT) or Brown (OLB) might be the guy, and all three of those positions already have a quality starter in place. Nobody at #9 is going to start ahead of Woodson/Harris, Pickett or Kampmann. But if that is the best player on the board, TT is going to take him anyway. I think the same could be said for taking an OT. If they take one of those guys, there's a chance that Clifton and Tauscher still can beat him out in year 1. I'd rather have TT take the better player who may not have a place to start on day 1, than take a guy who does have a spot, and turns out to just be an average starter.

 

[sho nuff]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I think what TT may be saying there is that Jenkins (CB), Raji (DT) or Brown (OLB) might be the guy, and all three of those positions already have a quality starter in place. Nobody at #9 is going to start ahead of Woodson/Harris, Pickett or Kampmann. But if that is the best player on the board, TT is going to take him anyway. I think the same could be said for taking an OT. If they take one of those guys, there's a chance that Clifton and Tauscher still can beat him out in year 1. I'd rather have TT take the better player who may not have a place to start on day 1, than take a guy who does have a spot, and turns out to just be an average starter.

Or worse...see Ahmad Carroll.Though, on the other side of it...see Harrell (at least so far)

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I think what TT may be saying there is that Jenkins (CB), Raji (DT) or Brown (OLB) might be the guy, and all three of those positions already have a quality starter in place. Nobody at #9 is going to start ahead of Woodson/Harris, Pickett or Kampmann. But if that is the best player on the board, TT is going to take him anyway. I think the same could be said for taking an OT. If they take one of those guys, there's a chance that Clifton and Tauscher still can beat him out in year 1. I'd rather have TT take the better player who may not have a place to start on day 1, than take a guy who does have a spot, and turns out to just be an average starter.

I'd be willing to bet that Raji would see a lot of snaps and Jenkins would see a lot of playing time. I don't care if the player they draft at #9 doesn't start immediately.....I just don't want to see TT make a huge reach there. We all know he has taken some heat before for reaching too far.Anyone think they should look at Aaron Curry if he is there at #9?

 

[Kitrick Taylor]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I think what TT may be saying there is that Jenkins (CB), Raji (DT) or Brown (OLB) might be the guy, and all three of those positions already have a quality starter in place. Nobody at #9 is going to start ahead of Woodson/Harris, Pickett or Kampmann. But if that is the best player on the board, TT is going to take him anyway. I think the same could be said for taking an OT. If they take one of those guys, there's a chance that Clifton and Tauscher still can beat him out in year 1. I'd rather have TT take the better player who may not have a place to start on day 1, than take a guy who does have a spot, and turns out to just be an average starter.

I'd be willing to bet that Raji would see a lot of snaps and Jenkins would see a lot of playing time

. I don't care if the player they draft at #9 doesn't start immediately.....I just don't want to see TT make a huge reach there. We all know he has taken some heat before for reaching too far.

I totally agree that just about any defender they take would get quite a few snaps. If they go OT, that may not be the case however. He's not my favorite choice, but lets say they take Oher for example. I could totally see him getting a developmental year behind Clifton or Tauscher.

 

[Kleck]

Anyone think they should look at Aaron Curry if he is there at #9?

Absolutely. He's a top 5 talent IMO, and he'd easily be one of my BPA guys at #9.

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I don't think there's much worry that Thompson won't trade down for value if he gets the opportunity. The point is that whether a player is "viewed as top #25" is in the eye of the beholder, and we know that what Kiper and others view as a top player won't matter much to Thompson (and most other NFL GMs) on draft day. That's the only point of my comment - don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks.I'm sure everyone remembers when Thompson passed on Chad Jackson to get Gregg Jennings and Jason Spitz. I believe the comments on this board were all focused on how Bellichik had "schooled" Thompson in that deal. I'm not saying that Thompson was a smarter football guy that day than were Bellichik/Pioli, just that there was a lot of pointless angst throughout Wisconsin when we missed on the great Chad Jackson and ended up with a nobody according to football geniuses like Dr. Z and Bob McGinn.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I don't think there's much worry that Thompson won't trade down for value if he gets the opportunity. The point is that whether a player is "viewed as top #25" is in the eye of the beholder, and we know that what Kiper and others view as a top player won't matter much to Thompson (and most other NFL GMs) on draft day. That's the only point of my comment - don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks.I'm sure everyone remembers when Thompson passed on Chad Jackson to get Gregg Jennings and Jason Spitz. I believe the comments on this board were all focused on how Bellichik had "schooled" Thompson in that deal. I'm not saying that Thompson was a smarter football guy that day than were Bellichik/Pioli, just that there was a lot of pointless angst throughout Wisconsin when we missed on the great Chad Jackson and ended up with a nobody according to football geniuses like Dr. Z and Bob McGinn.

That is all well and good as the draft moves on. There is a HUGE difference about making a reach at #9 then trying to compare it to taking Jennings in the 2nd round at #52 overall. Kiper liked the pick of Jennings as did many Packer fans.All one has to do is remember the reach TT made in the first round for Harrell. That pick was questioned by many more people than Jennings.

So....as much as you always support TT are you saying you won't have any problems if he drafts a projected round 2 or 3 player at #9 overall?

 

[CletiusMaximus]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I don't think there's much worry that Thompson won't trade down for value if he gets the opportunity. The point is that whether a player is "viewed as top #25" is in the eye of the beholder, and we know that what Kiper and others view as a top player won't matter much to Thompson (and most other NFL GMs) on draft day. That's the only point of my comment - don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks.I'm sure everyone remembers when Thompson passed on Chad Jackson to get Gregg Jennings and Jason Spitz. I believe the comments on this board were all focused on how Bellichik had "schooled" Thompson in that deal. I'm not saying that Thompson was a smarter football guy that day than were Bellichik/Pioli, just that there was a lot of pointless angst throughout Wisconsin when we missed on the great Chad Jackson and ended up with a nobody according to football geniuses like Dr. Z and Bob McGinn.

That is all well and good as the draft moves on. There is a HUGE difference about making a reach at #9 then trying to compare it to taking Jennings in the 2nd round at #52 overall. Kiper liked the pick of Jennings as did many Packer fans.All one has to do is remember the reach TT made in the first round for Harrell. That pick was questioned by many more people than Jennings.

So....as much as you always support TT are you saying you won't have any problems if he drafts a projected round 2 or 3 player at #9 overall?

I guarantee I will not get excited or agitated, up or down, with the Packers' draft pick - which is the point I was trying to make. I'll pick up the paper Sunday morning and read about the guy they picked and then put it aside. I don't think this is anything unusual. Its fun to talk about the draft and who we like and don't like, but in the end its pretty meaningless offseason banter. I remember 2003 when everyone was lauding the Jets for giving up picks to move up and get Dewayne Robertson (cut by the Broncos last week); meanwhile, the Vikings were the laughing stock of the league after their bumbling selection of a different DT - Kevin Williams. There are a ton of stories and memories like this regarding draft day.Harrell is a good example of a player that really has to produce this season for Thompson to save any face with that pick. It was a risky pick - not because Mel Kiper didn't have him on his board in the first round - but because he didn't play his senior year and came in injured and has more or less been injured ever since. Every GM has their hits and misses and that pick will obviously be a huge negative for Thompson if he doesn't make an impact this season.

Turning to free agency, here is what Thompson said last Friday. I would again advise fans to take these words at face value when discussing the Packers offseason moves in the FA market:

"I think we react in free agency if we think there's value there, we think it's something we will add something to our team then we're going to try to pursue it. And we are cognizant of the fact that if you make an investment in free agency then that comes with a cost. There's going to be a player or two players or something within a year from now that you won't have because you made that investment. Now, if it's worth it, it's worth it. But everything comes at a cost."

"I still think it's a very valuable tool and I think it's a tool that's best used to address specific needs that you have. We've done that in the past. The two prime examples are Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett. We think they did exactly what we wanted them to do and maybe more. They're good players and they're good in the locker room and the whole structure fit into what we were trying to do. If you go outside those bounds then the problems tend to get bigger."

Reading these words, consider the Raiders hype we all remember from last summer, when they signed DeAngelo Hall, Gibril Wilson and Javon Walker. Hall didn't even make it to the end of the season, Wilson was cut earlier this year and Walker will reportedly be cut soon. Combined, they will still cost the Raiders over $15mil. in salary cap money this season.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I don't think there's much worry that Thompson won't trade down for value if he gets the opportunity. The point is that whether a player is "viewed as top #25" is in the eye of the beholder, and we know that what Kiper and others view as a top player won't matter much to Thompson (and most other NFL GMs) on draft day. That's the only point of my comment - don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks.I'm sure everyone remembers when Thompson passed on Chad Jackson to get Gregg Jennings and Jason Spitz. I believe the comments on this board were all focused on how Bellichik had "schooled" Thompson in that deal. I'm not saying that Thompson was a smarter football guy that day than were Bellichik/Pioli, just that there was a lot of pointless angst throughout Wisconsin when we missed on the great Chad Jackson and ended up with a nobody according to football geniuses like Dr. Z and Bob McGinn.

That is all well and good as the draft moves on. There is a HUGE difference about making a reach at #9 then trying to compare it to taking Jennings in the 2nd round at #52 overall. Kiper liked the pick of Jennings as did many Packer fans.All one has to do is remember the reach TT made in the first round for Harrell. That pick was questioned by many more people than Jennings.

So....as much as you always support TT are you saying you won't have any problems if he drafts a projected round 2 or 3 player at #9 overall?

I guarantee I will not get excited or agitated, up or down, with the Packers' draft pick - which is the point I was trying to make. I'll pick up the paper Sunday morning and read about the guy they picked and then put it aside.

We wouldn't expect anything different from the biggest TT homer on this board.

 

[Aaronstory]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I don't think there's much worry that Thompson won't trade down for value if he gets the opportunity. The point is that whether a player is "viewed as top #25" is in the eye of the beholder, and we know that what Kiper and others view as a top player won't matter much to Thompson (and most other NFL GMs) on draft day. That's the only point of my comment - don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks.I'm sure everyone remembers when Thompson passed on Chad Jackson to get Gregg Jennings and Jason Spitz. I believe the comments on this board were all focused on how Bellichik had "schooled" Thompson in that deal. I'm not saying that Thompson was a smarter football guy that day than were Bellichik/Pioli, just that there was a lot of pointless angst throughout Wisconsin when we missed on the great Chad Jackson and ended up with a nobody according to football geniuses like Dr. Z and Bob McGinn.

That is all well and good as the draft moves on. There is a HUGE difference about making a reach at #9 then trying to compare it to taking Jennings in the 2nd round at #52 overall. Kiper liked the pick of Jennings as did many Packer fans.All one has to do is remember the reach TT made in the first round for Harrell. That pick was questioned by many more people than Jennings.

So....as much as you always support TT are you saying you won't have any problems if he drafts a projected round 2 or 3 player at #9 overall?

I guarantee I will not get excited or agitated, up or down, with the Packers' draft pick - which is the point I was trying to make. I'll pick up the paper Sunday morning and read about the guy they picked and then put it aside. I don't think this is anything unusual. Its fun to talk about the draft and who we like and don't like, but in the end its pretty meaningless offseason banter. I remember 2003 when everyone was lauding the Jets for giving up picks to move up and get Dewayne Robertson (cut by the Broncos last week); meanwhile, the Vikings were the laughing stock of the league after their bumbling selection of a different DT - Kevin Williams. There are a ton of stories and memories like this regarding draft day.Harrell is a good example of a player that really has to produce this season for Thompson to save any face with that pick. It was a risky pick - not because Mel Kiper didn't have him on his board in the first round - but because he didn't play his senior year and came in injured and has more or less been injured ever since. Every GM has their hits and misses and that pick will obviously be a huge negative for Thompson if he doesn't make an impact this season.

Turning to free agency, here is what Thompson said last Friday. I would again advise fans to take these words at face value when discussing the Packers offseason moves in the FA market:

"I think we react in free agency if we think there's value there, we think it's something we will add something to our team then we're going to try to pursue it. And we are cognizant of the fact that if you make an investment in free agency then that comes with a cost. There's going to be a player or two players or something within a year from now that you won't have because you made that investment. Now, if it's worth it, it's worth it. But everything comes at a cost."

"I still think it's a very valuable tool and I think it's a tool that's best used to address specific needs that you have. We've done that in the past. The two prime examples are Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett. We think they did exactly what we wanted them to do and maybe more. They're good players and they're good in the locker room and the whole structure fit into what we were trying to do. If you go outside those bounds then the problems tend to get bigger."

Reading these words, consider the Raiders hype we all remember from last summer, when they signed DeAngelo Hall, Gibril Wilson and Javon Walker. Hall didn't even make it to the end of the season, Wilson was cut earlier this year and Walker will reportedly be cut soon. Combined, they will still cost the Raiders over $15mil. in salary cap money this season.

This is excellent posting.

 

[Kleck]

CM.

Aaronstory, I saw that Bedard gave you a shout out in his blog about Andrew Brandt joining the Eagles. Kudos, bro!

 

[hauser42]

Harrell is a good example of a player that really has to produce this season for Thompson to save any face with that pick. It was a risky pick - not because Mel Kiper didn't have him on his board in the first round - but because he didn't play his senior year and came in injured and has more or less been injured ever since. Every GM has their hits and misses and that pick will obviously be a huge negative for Thompson if he doesn't make an impact this season

Harrell did play his senior season, and with one arm almost derailed the Gators title hopes. I'm sure that most Packer fans did not pay attention to college games on saturday.

 

[uwgb96]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I don't think there's much worry that Thompson won't trade down for value if he gets the opportunity. The point is that whether a player is "viewed as top #25" is in the eye of the beholder, and we know that what Kiper and others view as a top player won't matter much to Thompson (and most other NFL GMs) on draft day. That's the only point of my comment - don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks.I'm sure everyone remembers when Thompson passed on Chad Jackson to get Gregg Jennings and Jason Spitz. I believe the comments on this board were all focused on how Bellichik had "schooled" Thompson in that deal. I'm not saying that Thompson was a smarter football guy that day than were Bellichik/Pioli, just that there was a lot of pointless angst throughout Wisconsin when we missed on the great Chad Jackson and ended up with a nobody according to football geniuses like Dr. Z and Bob McGinn.

That is all well and good as the draft moves on. There is a HUGE difference about making a reach at #9 then trying to compare it to taking Jennings in the 2nd round at #52 overall. Kiper liked the pick of Jennings as did many Packer fans.All one has to do is remember the reach TT made in the first round for Harrell. That pick was questioned by many more people than Jennings.

So....as much as you always support TT are you saying you won't have any problems if he drafts a projected round 2 or 3 player at #9 overall?

But that's the problem. What's a "projected round 2 or 3" player? Fans take the draftnik bibles too seriously. Granted, they can be used somewhat as a guide, but the guys calling the shots (GMs) are the ones making the real decisions. Just because the "consensus" is a guy is a 2nd or 3rd round talent, doesn't mean a number of GMs aren't targeting that player and would take him in the first, etc.Every year you have "top" talent according to the "experts" falling and continuing to fall and fans wonder "how the hell can Player X still be out there in Round 5??? He should've definitely been gone in the 3rd" The guys with their jobs on the line have decided that that so called "Round 2" talent isn't quite what everyone thought. Of course they can be wrong at times with those evaluations as well.

 

[sho nuff]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I don't think there's much worry that Thompson won't trade down for value if he gets the opportunity. The point is that whether a player is "viewed as top #25" is in the eye of the beholder, and we know that what Kiper and others view as a top player won't matter much to Thompson (and most other NFL GMs) on draft day. That's the only point of my comment - don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks.I'm sure everyone remembers when Thompson passed on Chad Jackson to get Gregg Jennings and Jason Spitz. I believe the comments on this board were all focused on how Bellichik had "schooled" Thompson in that deal. I'm not saying that Thompson was a smarter football guy that day than were Bellichik/Pioli, just that there was a lot of pointless angst throughout Wisconsin when we missed on the great Chad Jackson and ended up with a nobody according to football geniuses like Dr. Z and Bob McGinn.

That is all well and good as the draft moves on. There is a HUGE difference about making a reach at #9 then trying to compare it to taking Jennings in the 2nd round at #52 overall. Kiper liked the pick of Jennings as did many Packer fans.All one has to do is remember the reach TT made in the first round for Harrell. That pick was questioned by many more people than Jennings.

So....as much as you always support TT are you saying you won't have any problems if he drafts a projected round 2 or 3 player at #9 overall?

I guarantee I will not get excited or agitated, up or down, with the Packers' draft pick - which is the point I was trying to make. I'll pick up the paper Sunday morning and read about the guy they picked and then put it aside. I don't think this is anything unusual. Its fun to talk about the draft and who we like and don't like, but in the end its pretty meaningless offseason banter. I remember 2003 when everyone was lauding the Jets for giving up picks to move up and get Dewayne Robertson (cut by the Broncos last week); meanwhile, the Vikings were the laughing stock of the league after their bumbling selection of a different DT - Kevin Williams. There are a ton of stories and memories like this regarding draft day.Harrell is a good example of a player that really has to produce this season for Thompson to save any face with that pick. It was a risky pick - not because Mel Kiper didn't have him on his board in the first round - but because he didn't play his senior year and came in injured and has more or less been injured ever since. Every GM has their hits and misses and that pick will obviously be a huge negative for Thompson if he doesn't make an impact this season.

Turning to free agency, here is what Thompson said last Friday. I would again advise fans to take these words at face value when discussing the Packers offseason moves in the FA market:

"I think we react in free agency if we think there's value there, we think it's something we will add something to our team then we're going to try to pursue it. And we are cognizant of the fact that if you make an investment in free agency then that comes with a cost. There's going to be a player or two players or something within a year from now that you won't have because you made that investment. Now, if it's worth it, it's worth it. But everything comes at a cost."

"I still think it's a very valuable tool and I think it's a tool that's best used to address specific needs that you have. We've done that in the past. The two prime examples are Charles Woodson and Ryan Pickett. We think they did exactly what we wanted them to do and maybe more. They're good players and they're good in the locker room and the whole structure fit into what we were trying to do. If you go outside those bounds then the problems tend to get bigger."

Reading these words, consider the Raiders hype we all remember from last summer, when they signed DeAngelo Hall, Gibril Wilson and Javon Walker. Hall didn't even make it to the end of the season, Wilson was cut earlier this year and Walker will reportedly be cut soon. Combined, they will still cost the Raiders over $15mil. in salary cap money this season.

This is excellent posting.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I don't think there's much worry that Thompson won't trade down for value if he gets the opportunity. The point is that whether a player is "viewed as top #25" is in the eye of the beholder, and we know that what Kiper and others view as a top player won't matter much to Thompson (and most other NFL GMs) on draft day. That's the only point of my comment - don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks.I'm sure everyone remembers when Thompson passed on Chad Jackson to get Gregg Jennings and Jason Spitz. I believe the comments on this board were all focused on how Bellichik had "schooled" Thompson in that deal. I'm not saying that Thompson was a smarter football guy that day than were Bellichik/Pioli, just that there was a lot of pointless angst throughout Wisconsin when we missed on the great Chad Jackson and ended up with a nobody according to football geniuses like Dr. Z and Bob McGinn.

That is all well and good as the draft moves on. There is a HUGE difference about making a reach at #9 then trying to compare it to taking Jennings in the 2nd round at #52 overall. Kiper liked the pick of Jennings as did many Packer fans.All one has to do is remember the reach TT made in the first round for Harrell. That pick was questioned by many more people than Jennings.

So....as much as you always support TT are you saying you won't have any problems if he drafts a projected round 2 or 3 player at #9 overall?

But that's the problem. What's a "projected round 2 or 3" player? Fans take the draftnik bibles too seriously. Granted, they can be used somewhat as a guide, but the guys calling the shots (GMs) are the ones making the real decisions. Just because the "consensus" is a guy is a 2nd or 3rd round talent, doesn't mean a number of GMs aren't targeting that player and would take him in the first, etc.Every year you have "top" talent according to the "experts" falling and continuing to fall and fans wonder "how the hell can Player X still be out there in Round 5??? He should've definitely been gone in the 3rd" The guys with their jobs on the line have decided that that so called "Round 2" talent isn't quite what everyone thought. Of course they can be wrong at times with those evaluations as well.

Are you guys seriously trying to to state that you think it is ok if Thompson were to take a projected round 2 or 3 pick at #9 overall? We are not talking about the end of the first round, guys. I know some of you will defend TT no matter what but this is ridiculous.

 

[sho nuff]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I don't think there's much worry that Thompson won't trade down for value if he gets the opportunity. The point is that whether a player is "viewed as top #25" is in the eye of the beholder, and we know that what Kiper and others view as a top player won't matter much to Thompson (and most other NFL GMs) on draft day. That's the only point of my comment - don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks.I'm sure everyone remembers when Thompson passed on Chad Jackson to get Gregg Jennings and Jason Spitz. I believe the comments on this board were all focused on how Bellichik had "schooled" Thompson in that deal. I'm not saying that Thompson was a smarter football guy that day than were Bellichik/Pioli, just that there was a lot of pointless angst throughout Wisconsin when we missed on the great Chad Jackson and ended up with a nobody according to football geniuses like Dr. Z and Bob McGinn.

That is all well and good as the draft moves on. There is a HUGE difference about making a reach at #9 then trying to compare it to taking Jennings in the 2nd round at #52 overall. Kiper liked the pick of Jennings as did many Packer fans.All one has to do is remember the reach TT made in the first round for Harrell. That pick was questioned by many more people than Jennings.

So....as much as you always support TT are you saying you won't have any problems if he drafts a projected round 2 or 3 player at #9 overall?

But that's the problem. What's a "projected round 2 or 3" player? Fans take the draftnik bibles too seriously. Granted, they can be used somewhat as a guide, but the guys calling the shots (GMs) are the ones making the real decisions. Just because the "consensus" is a guy is a 2nd or 3rd round talent, doesn't mean a number of GMs aren't targeting that player and would take him in the first, etc.Every year you have "top" talent according to the "experts" falling and continuing to fall and fans wonder "how the hell can Player X still be out there in Round 5??? He should've definitely been gone in the 3rd" The guys with their jobs on the line have decided that that so called "Round 2" talent isn't quite what everyone thought. Of course they can be wrong at times with those evaluations as well.

Are you guys seriously trying to to state that you think it is ok if Thompson were to take a projected round 2 or 3 pick at #9 overall? We are not talking about the end of the first round, guys. I know some of you will defend TT no matter what but this is ridiculous.

What some are saying, IMO, is who is rating them 2nd or 3rd rounders?

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think if fans read that quote and accept it for what it is at face value, there will be much less surprise and angst on draft day when the Packers draft someone that isn't in the top 25 according to Kiper or Maycock.

If he wants a player that isn't viewed as a top #25 player I sure hope he trades down to select that player. He will have some solid options at #9 this year and the reality is this team needs an impact player on defense.

I don't think there's much worry that Thompson won't trade down for value if he gets the opportunity. The point is that whether a player is "viewed as top #25" is in the eye of the beholder, and we know that what Kiper and others view as a top player won't matter much to Thompson (and most other NFL GMs) on draft day. That's the only point of my comment - don't be surprised on draft day if you have to look into round 2 or 3 on your beat-writer's NFL draft guide to find the guy Thompson picks.I'm sure everyone remembers when Thompson passed on Chad Jackson to get Gregg Jennings and Jason Spitz. I believe the comments on this board were all focused on how Bellichik had "schooled" Thompson in that deal. I'm not saying that Thompson was a smarter football guy that day than were Bellichik/Pioli, just that there was a lot of pointless angst throughout Wisconsin when we missed on the great Chad Jackson and ended up with a nobody according to football geniuses like Dr. Z and Bob McGinn.

That is all well and good as the draft moves on. There is a HUGE difference about making a reach at #9 then trying to compare it to taking Jennings in the 2nd round at #52 overall. Kiper liked the pick of Jennings as did many Packer fans.All one has to do is remember the reach TT made in the first round for Harrell. That pick was questioned by many more people than Jennings.

So....as much as you always support TT are you saying you won't have any problems if he drafts a projected round 2 or 3 player at #9 overall?

But that's the problem. What's a "projected round 2 or 3" player? Fans take the draftnik bibles too seriously. Granted, they can be used somewhat as a guide, but the guys calling the shots (GMs) are the ones making the real decisions. Just because the "consensus" is a guy is a 2nd or 3rd round talent, doesn't mean a number of GMs aren't targeting that player and would take him in the first, etc.Every year you have "top" talent according to the "experts" falling and continuing to fall and fans wonder "how the hell can Player X still be out there in Round 5??? He should've definitely been gone in the 3rd" The guys with their jobs on the line have decided that that so called "Round 2" talent isn't quite what everyone thought. Of course they can be wrong at times with those evaluations as well.

Are you guys seriously trying to to state that you think it is ok if Thompson were to take a projected round 2 or 3 pick at #9 overall? We are not talking about the end of the first round, guys. I know some of you will defend TT no matter what but this is ridiculous.

What some are saying, IMO, is who is rating them 2nd or 3rd rounders?

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

 

[sho nuff]

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

So pretty much the guys that are generally wrong about where guys are actually picked and don't work for NFL teams in charge of drafting anyone?I agree...a 3rd round guy by most accounts should not go in the first round that high.But I have seen Robert Ayers DE from TN...graded anywhere from top 15 to top of the 2nd round.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

So pretty much the guys that are generally wrong about where guys are actually picked and don't work for NFL teams in charge of drafting anyone?

 

[sho nuff]

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

So pretty much the guys that are generally wrong about where guys are actually picked and don't work for NFL teams in charge of drafting anyone?

So you think those writers are all right on?How come none of them work for an NFL team right now?I like some of their writing. But across the board many are wildly inconsistent.As I said, look at Robert Ayers. Ive seen him in the top 15...and Ive seen him in the 2nd round. Aaron Maybin...seen him some people's top 10-15...seen him late 1st round.These are the same people that pegged Ryan Leaf a great prospect. None of them are perfect (and that includes the GMs and NFL scouts too).

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

So pretty much the guys that are generally wrong about where guys are actually picked and don't work for NFL teams in charge of drafting anyone?

So you think those writers are all right on?How come none of them work for an NFL team right now?I like some of their writing. But across the board many are wildly inconsistent.As I said, look at Robert Ayers. Ive seen him in the top 15...and Ive seen him in the 2nd round. Aaron Maybin...seen him some people's top 10-15...seen him late 1st round.These are the same people that pegged Ryan Leaf a great prospect. None of them are perfect (and that includes the GMs and NFL scouts too).

Your comment that guys like Kiper and Maycock are "generally wrong" is ridiculous. And those people that pegged Ryan Leaf as a great prospect included many people that worked for NFL teams.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

So pretty much the guys that are generally wrong about where guys are actually picked and don't work for NFL teams in charge of drafting anyone?

So you think those writers are all right on?How come none of them work for an NFL team right now?I like some of their writing. But across the board many are wildly inconsistent.As I said, look at Robert Ayers. Ive seen him in the top 15...and Ive seen him in the 2nd round. Aaron Maybin...seen him some people's top 10-15...seen him late 1st round.These are the same people that pegged Ryan Leaf a great prospect. None of them are perfect (and that includes the GMs and NFL scouts too).

Your comment that guys like Kiper and Maycock are "generally wrong" is ridiculous. And those people that pegged Ryan Leaf as a great prospect included many people that worked for NFL teams.

It looks like sho is trying to pick an arguement again. What a surprise.

 

[sho nuff]

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

So pretty much the guys that are generally wrong about where guys are actually picked and don't work for NFL teams in charge of drafting anyone?

So you think those writers are all right on?How come none of them work for an NFL team right now?I like some of their writing. But across the board many are wildly inconsistent.As I said, look at Robert Ayers. Ive seen him in the top 15...and Ive seen him in the 2nd round. Aaron Maybin...seen him some people's top 10-15...seen him late 1st round.These are the same people that pegged Ryan Leaf a great prospect. None of them are perfect (and that includes the GMs and NFL scouts too).

Your comment that guys like Kiper and Maycock are "generally wrong" is ridiculous. And those people that pegged Ryan Leaf as a great prospect included many people that worked for NFL teams.

Look at the history of their mock drafts. They are generally wrong.What I also notice is you parse my quote and just leave off my comment after that.All the while painting people as TT supporters being ok with drafting a 2nd or 3rd round guy...when I believe one person may have even said such a thing.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

I definitely don't want to get involved in the little dance you're having with sho nuff, and haven't really paid too much attention to it, but a couple of my thoughts on this........First, I firmly believe that TT will take someone who's worthy of a top 10 pick at #9. Second, I believe a projected 2nd rounder could still become a fast riser ala Jerod Mayo last year. He came out of nowhere to rise all the way to #10. 2008 Shark Pool Mock Draft - Post Combine

In the 2nd Shark Pool mock NFL Draft last year (post combine) Jerod Mayo was picked 36th overall. That draft mirrored a lot of the other mock drafts coming out at the time. I'm not sure how Mayo jumped almost a full round from 36th to 10th after the combine was over. What did he do to create such a buzz?......or did most mockers and media just not know wth they were talking about?

 

[sho nuff]

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

So pretty much the guys that are generally wrong about where guys are actually picked and don't work for NFL teams in charge of drafting anyone?

So you think those writers are all right on?How come none of them work for an NFL team right now?I like some of their writing. But across the board many are wildly inconsistent.As I said, look at Robert Ayers. Ive seen him in the top 15...and Ive seen him in the 2nd round. Aaron Maybin...seen him some people's top 10-15...seen him late 1st round.These are the same people that pegged Ryan Leaf a great prospect. None of them are perfect (and that includes the GMs and NFL scouts too).

Your comment that guys like Kiper and Maycock are "generally wrong" is ridiculous. And those people that pegged Ryan Leaf as a great prospect included many people that worked for NFL teams.

It looks like sho is trying to pick an arguement again. What a surprise.

Actually, its quite clear Beav is the one trying to do so by parsing quotes and continuing down that path.And not a surprise that you would be pumping up his posts.So do any of you want to look at Kiper's accuracy rates and get back to me how he is not generally wrong?I find it hilarious how most will bash Kiper and Mayock utnil that argument does not fit their needs...then try to back them up to bash what possible pick Ted Thompson might make.

 

[Phurfur]

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

So pretty much the guys that are generally wrong about where guys are actually picked and don't work for NFL teams in charge of drafting anyone?

So you think those writers are all right on?How come none of them work for an NFL team right now?

I like some of their writing. But across the board many are wildly inconsistent.

As I said, look at Robert Ayers. Ive seen him in the top 15...and Ive seen him in the 2nd round.

Aaron Maybin...seen him some people's top 10-15...seen him late 1st round.

These are the same people that pegged Ryan Leaf a great prospect.

None of them are perfect (and that includes the GMs and NFL scouts too).

Your comment that guys like Kiper and Maycock are "generally wrong" is ridiculous. And those people that pegged Ryan Leaf as a great prospect included many people that worked for NFL teams.

No, they are "generally wrong".

 

[Phurfur]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

Of course it is, look at how upset everyone was when he took Greg Jennings at #2.

 

[sho nuff]

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

So pretty much the guys that are generally wrong about where guys are actually picked and don't work for NFL teams in charge of drafting anyone?

So you think those writers are all right on?How come none of them work for an NFL team right now?

I like some of their writing. But across the board many are wildly inconsistent.

As I said, look at Robert Ayers. Ive seen him in the top 15...and Ive seen him in the 2nd round.

Aaron Maybin...seen him some people's top 10-15...seen him late 1st round.

These are the same people that pegged Ryan Leaf a great prospect.

None of them are perfect (and that includes the GMs and NFL scouts too).

Your comment that guys like Kiper and Maycock are "generally wrong" is ridiculous. And those people that pegged Ryan Leaf as a great prospect included many people that worked for NFL teams.

No, they are "generally wrong".

Its ok...I suspect those two would have a problem with anything I posted.I like reading Mayock and Kiper's stuff. They do some good scouting. But their predictions are generally not as much inline with what NFL teams will do. They get their top 100s decent (about 79% or so)...but by round their numbers are not as good.

I, like others, love reading Rich Gosselin's last mock. he has been the most accurate for a while now and even he gets them wrong.

My point was...who are we considering the prediction for a 2nd round guy. Again, like Robert Ayers...the opinion just varies from site to site, as Im sure it does from team to team.

A guy like Jarron Gilbert who I would love in the 2nd, may end up going in the first even.

Other guys fall big time.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

Of course it is, look at how upset everyone was when he took Greg Jennings at #2.

Everyone? That would be wrong...in fact many, many Packer fans and experts liked the pick of Jennings in the 2nd round, #52 overall.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

I believe a projected 2nd rounder could still become a fast riser ala Jerod Mayo last year. He came out of nowhere to rise all the way to #10.

I'm thinking Jarron Gilbert (although I haven't looked at his Combine performance). Doubt he'll soar into the top ten picks but I haven't seen him in the 1st of any mocks yet.edit: Looks like Gilbert did well, though not outstanding. But he will definitely be a first-day pick for a 3-4 team.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

The "experts" including Kiper and Maycock, nfl beat writers as well as the "draftnik bibles".

So pretty much the guys that are generally wrong about where guys are actually picked and don't work for NFL teams in charge of drafting anyone?

So you think those writers are all right on?How come none of them work for an NFL team right now?

I like some of their writing. But across the board many are wildly inconsistent.

As I said, look at Robert Ayers. Ive seen him in the top 15...and Ive seen him in the 2nd round.

Aaron Maybin...seen him some people's top 10-15...seen him late 1st round.

These are the same people that pegged Ryan Leaf a great prospect.

None of them are perfect (and that includes the GMs and NFL scouts too).

Your comment that guys like Kiper and Maycock are "generally wrong" is ridiculous. And those people that pegged Ryan Leaf as a great prospect included many people that worked for NFL teams.

No, they are "generally wrong".

Its ok...I suspect those two would have a problem with anything I posted.I like reading Mayock and Kiper's stuff. They do some good scouting. But their predictions are generally not as much inline with what NFL teams will do. They get their top 100s decent (about 79% or so)...but by round their numbers are not as good.

I, like others, love reading Rich Gosselin's last mock. he has been the most accurate for a while now and even he gets them wrong.

My point was...who are we considering the prediction for a 2nd round guy. Again, like Robert Ayers...the opinion just varies from site to site, as Im sure it does from team to team.

A guy like Jarron Gilbert who I would love in the 2nd, may end up going in the first even.

Other guys fall big time.

Of course those guys will be wrong just as people employed by NFL teams will be wrong. Here you go talking out of both sides of your mouth. You claim that Kiper and Mayock are at 79% for their top 100 yet you are quoted as saying they are "generally wrong".

 

[Phurfur]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

Of course it is, look at how upset everyone was when he took Greg Jennings at #2.

Everyone? That would be wrong...in fact many, many Packer fans and experts liked the pick of Jennings in the 2nd round, #52 overall.

You are wrong there, everyone thought Jennings was a massive reach. I love your selective memory.

 

[sho nuff]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

Of course it is, look at how upset everyone was when he took Greg Jennings at #2.

Everyone? That would be wrong...in fact many, many Packer fans and experts liked the pick of Jennings in the 2nd round, #52 overall.

Everyone would be wrong...but many many more disliked the pick. Wondered who he was and why we were taking him after passing on Jackson. Wondered why we just traded Walker and wondered if Jennings could fill his shoes.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

Of course it is, look at how upset everyone was when he took Greg Jennings at #2.

Everyone? That would be wrong...in fact many, many Packer fans and experts liked the pick of Jennings in the 2nd round, #52 overall.

Everyone would be wrong...but many many more disliked the pick. Wondered who he was and why we were taking him after passing on Jackson. Wondered why we just traded Walker and wondered if Jennings could fill his shoes.

I suggest you google comments made about Jennings after the draft and you will find many fans and NFL experts that liked the pick including Mel Kiper.

 

[sho nuff]

Of course those guys will be wrong just as people employed by NFL teams will be wrong. Here you go talking out of both sides of your mouth. You claim that Kiper and Mayock are at 79% for their top 100 yet you are quoted as saying they are "generally wrong".

Not shocking you would not understand what a top 100 is.If they have a guy rated as 100 and he goes 25th...they get credit.Would that make them right or generally wrong on where they rated the guy?There is no talking out of both sides of my mouth. I lay it out quite clear...that while their top 100's might have that rating, if you look round by round its lower.But you just had to jump to try and bash.

 

[Phurfur]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

Of course it is, look at how upset everyone was when he took Greg Jennings at #2.

Everyone? That would be wrong...in fact many, many Packer fans and experts liked the pick of Jennings in the 2nd round, #52 overall.

Everyone would be wrong...but many many more disliked the pick. Wondered who he was and why we were taking him after passing on Jackson. Wondered why we just traded Walker and wondered if Jennings could fill his shoes.

That is how I remember it, but I don't remember ANYONE saying it was a "good" pick at #2.

 

[sho nuff]

I suggest you google comments made about Jennings after the draft and you will find many fans and NFL experts that liked the pick including Mel Kiper.

Yes there were some who liked it...IMO there were plenty more who did not like it at that point.Kiper had him 57th I think in his rankings. Im not saying he was wrong on that one that year.The point is many did not like it. I was on this board and others listening to people complain about it...just like they did with Rodgers screaming that we should have drafted Matt Roth the DE from Iowa.

 

[sho nuff]

That is how I remember it, but I don't remember ANYONE saying it was a "good" pick at #2.

First off...to clarify, I was not saying "everyone was wrong"...I mean saying everyone hated it would be wrong to say.But some thought it was a good pick. Kiper was one of them. I did not have a chance to do much "scouting" that year and did not know as much about him. Watching his clips though I started to love the guy (have drafted him pretty much every year in redrafts til last year when he was snatched up right before me). I saw a guy who went up for everything and had great hands and great moves. I defended the pick then IIRC.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

Of course it is, look at how upset everyone was when he took Greg Jennings at #2.

Everyone? That would be wrong...in fact many, many Packer fans and experts liked the pick of Jennings in the 2nd round, #52 overall.

Everyone would be wrong...but many many more disliked the pick. Wondered who he was and why we were taking him after passing on Jackson. Wondered why we just traded Walker and wondered if Jennings could fill his shoes.

That is how I remember it, but I don't remember ANYONE saying it was a "good" pick at #2.

Of course you don't. Mel Kiper, ESPN

The Packers had a lot of picks (12) and definitely some reaches. Linebacker A.J. Hawk will give the Packers a much-needed face on defense. Offensive tackle Daryn Colledge needs to get stronger and become a better run blocker. I really like wide receiver Greg Jennings, linebacker Abdul Hodge and and Jason Spitz. I gave Green Bay an A after the first day. Will Blackmon was both a wide receiver and cornerback at Boston Collge, but reportedly will get a chance to play corner initially.

Rob Rang, AOL sports

Maybe Brett Favre had a deep look at the Green Bay draft board before agreeing to come back. With as solid a first day as any team in the league, the Packers utilized their five first day picks to fulfill needs while still maintaining value. Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk is certainly the big name. However, the selection of two durable, consistent offensive linemen in Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz likely made Favre even happier. Western Michigan's Greg Jennings was one of the better fits for the West Coast Offense and was highly valued by several other teams using this scheme.

 

[sho nuff]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

Of course it is, look at how upset everyone was when he took Greg Jennings at #2.

Everyone? That would be wrong...in fact many, many Packer fans and experts liked the pick of Jennings in the 2nd round, #52 overall.

Everyone would be wrong...but many many more disliked the pick. Wondered who he was and why we were taking him after passing on Jackson. Wondered why we just traded Walker and wondered if Jennings could fill his shoes.

That is how I remember it, but I don't remember ANYONE saying it was a "good" pick at #2.

Of course you don't. Mel Kiper, ESPN

The Packers had a lot of picks (12) and definitely some reaches. Linebacker A.J. Hawk will give the Packers a much-needed face on defense. Offensive tackle Daryn Colledge needs to get stronger and become a better run blocker. I really like wide receiver Greg Jennings, linebacker Abdul Hodge and and Jason Spitz. I gave Green Bay an A after the first day. Will Blackmon was both a wide receiver and cornerback at Boston Collge, but reportedly will get a chance to play corner initially.

Rob Rang, AOL sports

Maybe Brett Favre had a deep look at the Green Bay draft board before agreeing to come back. With as solid a first day as any team in the league, the Packers utilized their five first day picks to fulfill needs while still maintaining value. Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk is certainly the big name. However, the selection of two durable, consistent offensive linemen in Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz likely made Favre even happier. Western Michigan's Greg Jennings was one of the better fits for the West Coast Offense and was highly valued by several other teams using this scheme.

Of course they also liked Spitz too. Like I said...some did...but by no means do I recall it being even close to the majority liking that pick.

IIRC most people complained about trading down and not getting Chad Jackson and claimed that NE bamboozled the Packers. Looks the opposite now doesn't it.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Of course those guys will be wrong just as people employed by NFL teams will be wrong. Here you go talking out of both sides of your mouth. You claim that Kiper and Mayock are at 79% for their top 100 yet you are quoted as saying they are "generally wrong".

But you just had to jump to try and bash.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

Of course it is, look at how upset everyone was when he took Greg Jennings at #2.

Everyone? That would be wrong...in fact many, many Packer fans and experts liked the pick of Jennings in the 2nd round, #52 overall.

Everyone would be wrong...but many many more disliked the pick. Wondered who he was and why we were taking him after passing on Jackson. Wondered why we just traded Walker and wondered if Jennings could fill his shoes.

That is how I remember it, but I don't remember ANYONE saying it was a "good" pick at #2.

Of course you don't. Mel Kiper, ESPN

The Packers had a lot of picks (12) and definitely some reaches. Linebacker A.J. Hawk will give the Packers a much-needed face on defense. Offensive tackle Daryn Colledge needs to get stronger and become a better run blocker. I really like wide receiver Greg Jennings, linebacker Abdul Hodge and and Jason Spitz. I gave Green Bay an A after the first day. Will Blackmon was both a wide receiver and cornerback at Boston Collge, but reportedly will get a chance to play corner initially.

Rob Rang, AOL sports

Maybe Brett Favre had a deep look at the Green Bay draft board before agreeing to come back. With as solid a first day as any team in the league, the Packers utilized their five first day picks to fulfill needs while still maintaining value. Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk is certainly the big name. However, the selection of two durable, consistent offensive linemen in Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz likely made Favre even happier. Western Michigan's Greg Jennings was one of the better fits for the West Coast Offense and was highly valued by several other teams using this scheme.

Of course they also liked Spitz too.

Just like Ted Thompson did.

 

[sho nuff]

Just like Ted Thompson did.

Another parsed quote...no surprise.Yup...just like Ted did. Though, I like that he is moving possibly to full time center to battle with Wells for the starter and could still be used at guard in a pinch.

 

[Ookie Pringle]

I think TT takes a blue chip stud at #9, just like he did with Hawk in 2006. I don't believe TT screws around with a top 10 pick. However, top 10's on the draftnik lists may not be the same as top 10's for NFL teams. The Pats Mayo pick last year is a good example. I can't think of anyone that had Mayo as a top 10 pick last year but that seems to have been a pretty good choice by NE.

Mayo also was one of the fastest rising prospects as the draft approached and went from the 2nd round in projections to the middle of the first as the draft approached.http://www.nfl.com/draft/story?id=09000d5d...mp;confirm=true

I agree that the top 10, top 25 and top 250 lists for NFL teams will not be the same. However, for some of the TT supporters to come in here and state they have no problems if TT takes a projected 2nd or 3rd rounder at draft time at #9 is ridiculous.

Of course it is, look at how upset everyone was when he took Greg Jennings at #2.

Everyone? That would be wrong...in fact many, many Packer fans and experts liked the pick of Jennings in the 2nd round, #52 overall.

Everyone would be wrong...but many many more disliked the pick. Wondered who he was and why we were taking him after passing on Jackson. Wondered why we just traded Walker and wondered if Jennings could fill his shoes.

That is how I remember it, but I don't remember ANYONE saying it was a "good" pick at #2.

Of course you don't. Mel Kiper, ESPN

The Packers had a lot of picks (12) and definitely some reaches. Linebacker A.J. Hawk will give the Packers a much-needed face on defense. Offensive tackle Daryn Colledge needs to get stronger and become a better run blocker. I really like wide receiver Greg Jennings, linebacker Abdul Hodge and and Jason Spitz. I gave Green Bay an A after the first day. Will Blackmon was both a wide receiver and cornerback at Boston Collge, but reportedly will get a chance to play corner initially.

Rob Rang, AOL sports

Maybe Brett Favre had a deep look at the Green Bay draft board before agreeing to come back. With as solid a first day as any team in the league, the Packers utilized their five first day picks to fulfill needs while still maintaining value. Ohio State linebacker A.J. Hawk is certainly the big name. However, the selection of two durable, consistent offensive linemen in Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz likely made Favre even happier. Western Michigan's Greg Jennings was one of the better fits for the West Coast Offense and was highly valued by several other teams using this scheme.

Of course they also liked Spitz too.

Just like Ted Thompson did.

 

[sho nuff]

Of course those guys will be wrong just as people employed by NFL teams will be wrong. Here you go talking out of both sides of your mouth. You claim that Kiper and Mayock are at 79% for their top 100 yet you are quoted as saying they are "generally wrong".

But you just had to jump to try and bash.

Not at all. Rarely do you see me jump in without fully reading a post just to jump in and bash a person.But nice try.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Just like Ted Thompson did.

Another parsed quote...no surprise.Yup...just like Ted did. Though, I like that he is moving possibly to full time center to battle with Wells for the starter and could still be used at guard in a pinch.

Another post talking out of both sides of your mouth....you want to use Spitz to take a shot at Kiper yet then try to cover the other end by saying "he is moving possibly to full time center to battle with Wells for the starter and could still be used at guard in a pinch."