Odds of Pennington getting yanked? (1 Viewer)

[ForWhoForWhat]

I feel Pennington is a viable bye week starter this week, based on his performance last week and the fact that Buffalo's pass D is about on par with Cincinatti's, as in not good. However I am concerned with all of this "short leash" talk. How credible is this talk - is Mangini really fed up with Chad and would he hook him or is this talk all media fueled. Is there a a high chance Mangini would cave to the home town booing if Chad looks sloppy? I like Chad this week over other FA fodder but I just don't know if I can chance him not playing the whole game. I don't think he'll play poorly this week but if the Jets D collapses and Buffalo gets a big lead I could see Chad being the scapegoat. You can't bench the whole D, but you can bench a guy that most of the fans detest anyway (just my opinion about the detest). Homer thoughts much appreciated.

 

[eom]

not a jets homer, but it sounded to me like mangini was sticking up for pennington.

where did he mention a short leash?

I heard a little clip of him put the blame on the rest of the team and go to bat for pennington.

 

[JMJ]

Homer:

He is 2-3 bad series or an interception away from being yanked. If he had the piss-poor 2nd half he had last week (three 3 and outs, a fumble, and an interception) in the 1st half; Clemens would have been starting the 2nd half of the game.

Also,

The fans have HAD IT with him. Mangini has ruined a relationship between Jets fans and Chad Pennington by keeping him out there well past the time he needed to be yanked. He will be booed incessentaly when he takes the field, booed again after his first incompletion, and if the punter needs to come out after our first possession ..... forget about it.

Seriously. To sum it up for you in one more sentence, I have Baltimore as my fantasy D in two leagues. In both leagues I picked up Buffalo's D as a bye week filler strictly and only cuz Mangini named Pennington starter. The pick-6's he keeps throwing are not by accident. Every DB we're playing is just waiting and waiting and jumping on any short route he throws. We've done a pump and go play twice this season and twice we hit TD passes (once to Coles last week and once to Leon Washington the first play of the Giants preseason game). The reason why is because every CB and safety we play jumps Pennington's short throws while he is still winding up and hasn't even released the ball.

He threw 2 different interceptions that got returned for TDs in the preseason and has thrown 2 different interceptions that have been returned for TDs during the regular season. That makes 4 returned for TDs (counting the preseason). That is unheard of vs. one QB still with 9 games left to play! Also, he has thrown 7 INTs in our past 4 games (2 of them returned for TDs).

Lastly, here is a look at Chad's situational stats and why Jets' fans want to gauge their eyes out with a rusty forks when they see him take the field:

Pennington's 1st half/2nd half breakdown:

1st Half - 113.0% QB Rating, 6 TDs, 1 INT

2nd Half - 64.2% QB Rating, 3 TDs, 6 INTs

Pennington in the 4th quarter:

4th Quarter - 44.1% QB Rating, 1 TD, 5 INTs

Pennington in the 4th quarter when the game is within 1 TD either way:

4th Quarter within a score - 28.7% QB Rating, 0 TDs, 4 INTs

His conservative play in the first half is OK until the other team sees what he is doing. Once they've seen his bullcrap dink & dunk offense, they jump the routes and abuse him as the game goes on. It is sickening. Truely sickening. We (the Jets) have held a 2nd half lead in all of our last 4 losses only to see Chad hand the game away to the opponent with miserable 2nd halfs.

And ..... here is the kicker on all of this ..... my screename, ICWT10 stands for (or should I say stood for):

InChadWeTrust10

I had this username since 2003 on some other Jets-related boards so I figured I'd just use it here also. I think I'm going to be sending a request in to the mods to get that changed.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Homer:

He is 2-3 bad series or an interception away from being yanked. If he had the piss-poor 2nd half he had last week (three 3 and outs, a fumble, and an interception) in the 1st half; Clemens would have been starting the 2nd half of the game.

Also,

The fans have HAD IT with him. Mangini has ruined a relationship between Jets fans and Chad Pennington by keeping him out there well past the time he needed to be yanked. He will be booed incessentaly when he takes the field, booed again after his first incompletion, and if the punter needs to come out after our first possession ..... forget about it.

Seriously. To sum it up for you in one more sentence, I have Baltimore as my fantasy D in two leagues. In both leagues I picked up Buffalo's D as a bye week filler strictly and only cuz Mangini named Pennington starter. The pick-6's he keeps throwing are not by accident. Every DB we're playing is just waiting and waiting and jumping on any short route he throws. We've done a pump and go play twice this season and twice we hit TD passes (once to Coles last week and once to Leon Washington the first play of the Giants preseason game). The reason why is because every CB and safety we play jumps Pennington's short throws while he is still winding up and hasn't even released the ball.

He threw 2 different interceptions that got returned for TDs in the preseason and has thrown 2 different interceptions that have been returned for TDs during the regular season. That makes 4 returned for TDs (counting the preseason). That is unheard of vs. one QB still with 9 games left to play! Also, he has thrown 7 INTs in our past 4 games (2 of them returned for TDs).

Lastly, here is a look at Chad's situational stats and why Jets' fans want to gague their eyes out with a rusty forks when they see him take the field:

Just taking a look at some of Chad Pennington’s situational statistics for this season.

Pennington's 1st half/2nd half breakdown:

1st Half - 113.0% QB Rating, 6 TDs, 1 INT

2nd Half - 64.2% QB Rating, 3 TDs, 6 INTs

Pennington in the 4th quarter:

4th Quarter - 44.1% QB Rating, 1 TD, 5 INTs

Pennington in the 4th quarter when the game is within 1 TD either way:

4th Quarter within a score - 28.7% QB Rating, 0 TDs, 4 INTs

His conservative play in the first half is OK until the other teams sees what he is doing. Once they've seen his bullcrap dink & dunk offense, they jump the routes and abuse him as the game goes on. It is sickening. Truely sickening. We (the Jets) have held a 2nd half lead in all of our last 4 losses only to see Chad hand the game away to the opponent with miserable 2nd halfs.

And ..... here is the kicker on all of this ..... my screename, ICWT10 stands for (or should I say stood for):

InChadWeTrust10

I had this username since 2003 on some other Jets-related boards since 2003 so I figured I'd just use it here also. I think I'm going to be sending a request in to the mods to get that changed.

That's my kinda post. Good info :(

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Homer:

He is 2-3 bad series or an interception away from being yanked. If he had the piss-poor 2nd half he had last week (three 3 and outs, a fumble, and an interception) in the 1st half; Clemens would have been starting the 2nd half of the game.

Also,

The fans have HAD IT with him. Mangini has ruined a relationship between Jets fans and Chad Pennington by keeping him out there well past the time he needed to be yanked. He will be booed incessentaly when he takes the field, booed again after his first incompletion, and if the punter needs to come out after our first possession ..... forget about it.

Seriously. To sum it up for you in one more sentence, I have Baltimore as my fantasy D in two leagues. In both leagues I picked up Buffalo's D as a bye week filler strictly and only cuz Mangini named Pennington starter. The pick-6's he keeps throwing are not by accident. Every DB we're playing is just waiting and waiting and jumping on any short route he throws. We've done a pump and go play twice this season and twice we hit TD passes (once to Coles last week and once to Leon Washington the first play of the Giants preseason game). The reason why is because every CB and safety we play jumps Pennington's short throws while he is still winding up and hasn't even released the ball.

He threw 2 different interceptions that got returned for TDs in the preseason and has thrown 2 different interceptions that have been returned for TDs during the regular season. That makes 4 returned for TDs (counting the preseason). That is unheard of vs. one QB still with 9 games left to play! Also, he has thrown 7 INTs in our past 4 games (2 of them returned for TDs).

Lastly, here is a look at Chad's situational stats and why Jets' fans want to gague their eyes out with a rusty forks when they see him take the field:

Just taking a look at some of Chad Pennington’s situational statistics for this season.

Pennington's 1st half/2nd half breakdown:

1st Half - 113.0% QB Rating, 6 TDs, 1 INT

2nd Half - 64.2% QB Rating, 3 TDs, 6 INTs

Pennington in the 4th quarter:

4th Quarter - 44.1% QB Rating, 1 TD, 5 INTs

Pennington in the 4th quarter when the game is within 1 TD either way:

4th Quarter within a score - 28.7% QB Rating, 0 TDs, 4 INTs

His conservative play in the first half is OK until the other teams sees what he is doing. Once they've seen his bullcrap dink & dunk offense, they jump the routes and abuse him as the game goes on. It is sickening. Truely sickening. We (the Jets) have held a 2nd half lead in all of our last 4 losses only to see Chad hand the game away to the opponent with miserable 2nd halfs.

And ..... here is the kicker on all of this ..... my screename, ICWT10 stands for (or should I say stood for):

InChadWeTrust10

I had this username since 2003 on some other Jets-related boards since 2003 so I figured I'd just use it here also. I think I'm going to be sending a request in to the mods to get that changed.

That's my kinda post. Good info

 

[Steel Town]

You may have talked me into grabbing the Bills D/St and starting them over the Bucs. Good stuff!

 

[Mikey16x]

homer here too...

ICW really made it clear. Its almost scarey though how much mangini loves pennington... this guy needs to hit the bench asap. Kellen Clemons is our future at QB, shouldn't he at least get the rookie mistakes out now?.. but noooo instead we stick with pennington that has an arm comparable to a 7th grade girl.

 

[[scooter]]

And ..... here is the kicker on all of this ..... my screename, ICWT10 stands for (or should I say stood for):InChadWeTrust10 I had this username since 2003 on some other Jets-related boards so I figured I'd just use it here also. I think I'm going to be sending a request in to the mods to get that changed.

Just get Clemens to change his uniform # to 10.

 

[ForWhoForWhat]

Wow ICWT10, great posting. That's exactly what I was looking for. You and the wealth of other quality posters is what makes this board so great.

I am now considering a screen name change to ICWT17 - all aboard the Cleo Lemon train!!! No way do I feel comfortable starting Chad. Thanks.

 

[Wilbur Wood]

Homer:

He is 2-3 bad series or an interception away from being yanked. If he had the piss-poor 2nd half he had last week (three 3 and outs, a fumble, and an interception) in the 1st half; Clemens would have been starting the 2nd half of the game.

Also,

The fans have HAD IT with him. Mangini has ruined a relationship between Jets fans and Chad Pennington by keeping him out there well past the time he needed to be yanked. He will be booed incessentaly when he takes the field, booed again after his first incompletion, and if the punter needs to come out after our first possession ..... forget about it.

Seriously. To sum it up for you in one more sentence, I have Baltimore as my fantasy D in two leagues. In both leagues I picked up Buffalo's D as a bye week filler strictly and only cuz Mangini named Pennington starter. The pick-6's he keeps throwing are not by accident. Every DB we're playing is just waiting and waiting and jumping on any short route he throws. We've done a pump and go play twice this season and twice we hit TD passes (once to Coles last week and once to Leon Washington the first play of the Giants preseason game). The reason why is because every CB and safety we play jumps Pennington's short throws while he is still winding up and hasn't even released the ball.

He threw 2 different interceptions that got returned for TDs in the preseason and has thrown 2 different interceptions that have been returned for TDs during the regular season. That makes 4 returned for TDs (counting the preseason). That is unheard of vs. one QB still with 9 games left to play! Also, he has thrown 7 INTs in our past 4 games (2 of them returned for TDs).

Lastly, here is a look at Chad's situational stats and why Jets' fans want to gauge their eyes out with a rusty forks when they see him take the field:

Pennington's 1st half/2nd half breakdown:

1st Half - 113.0% QB Rating, 6 TDs, 1 INT

2nd Half - 64.2% QB Rating, 3 TDs, 6 INTs

Pennington in the 4th quarter:

4th Quarter - 44.1% QB Rating, 1 TD, 5 INTs

Pennington in the 4th quarter when the game is within 1 TD either way:

4th Quarter within a score - 28.7% QB Rating, 0 TDs, 4 INTs

His conservative play in the first half is OK until the other team sees what he is doing. Once they've seen his bullcrap dink & dunk offense, they jump the routes and abuse him as the game goes on. It is sickening. Truely sickening. We (the Jets) have held a 2nd half lead in all of our last 4 losses only to see Chad hand the game away to the opponent with miserable 2nd halfs.

And ..... here is the kicker on all of this ..... my screename, ICWT10 stands for (or should I say stood for):

InChadWeTrust10

I had this username since 2003 on some other Jets-related boards so I figured I'd just use it here also. I think I'm going to be sending a request in to the mods to get that changed.

Couldn't have said it any better. I am sure one or two of the Chad-apologists will weigh in as to why the Chad is not the problem.

 

[JMJ]

Wow ICWT10, great posting. That's exactly what I was looking for. You and the wealth of other quality posters is what makes this board so great.I am now considering a screen name change to ICWT17 - all aboard the Cleo Lemon train!!! No way do I feel comfortable starting Chad. Thanks.

Haha.No problem bud.

 

[JMJ]

Homer:

He is 2-3 bad series or an interception away from being yanked. If he had the piss-poor 2nd half he had last week (three 3 and outs, a fumble, and an interception) in the 1st half; Clemens would have been starting the 2nd half of the game.

Also,

The fans have HAD IT with him. Mangini has ruined a relationship between Jets fans and Chad Pennington by keeping him out there well past the time he needed to be yanked. He will be booed incessentaly when he takes the field, booed again after his first incompletion, and if the punter needs to come out after our first possession ..... forget about it.

Seriously. To sum it up for you in one more sentence, I have Baltimore as my fantasy D in two leagues. In both leagues I picked up Buffalo's D as a bye week filler strictly and only cuz Mangini named Pennington starter. The pick-6's he keeps throwing are not by accident. Every DB we're playing is just waiting and waiting and jumping on any short route he throws. We've done a pump and go play twice this season and twice we hit TD passes (once to Coles last week and once to Leon Washington the first play of the Giants preseason game). The reason why is because every CB and safety we play jumps Pennington's short throws while he is still winding up and hasn't even released the ball.

He threw 2 different interceptions that got returned for TDs in the preseason and has thrown 2 different interceptions that have been returned for TDs during the regular season. That makes 4 returned for TDs (counting the preseason). That is unheard of vs. one QB still with 9 games left to play! Also, he has thrown 7 INTs in our past 4 games (2 of them returned for TDs).

Lastly, here is a look at Chad's situational stats and why Jets' fans want to gauge their eyes out with a rusty forks when they see him take the field:

Pennington's 1st half/2nd half breakdown:

1st Half - 113.0% QB Rating, 6 TDs, 1 INT

2nd Half - 64.2% QB Rating, 3 TDs, 6 INTs

Pennington in the 4th quarter:

4th Quarter - 44.1% QB Rating, 1 TD, 5 INTs

Pennington in the 4th quarter when the game is within 1 TD either way:

4th Quarter within a score - 28.7% QB Rating, 0 TDs, 4 INTs

His conservative play in the first half is OK until the other team sees what he is doing. Once they've seen his bullcrap dink & dunk offense, they jump the routes and abuse him as the game goes on. It is sickening. Truely sickening. We (the Jets) have held a 2nd half lead in all of our last 4 losses only to see Chad hand the game away to the opponent with miserable 2nd halfs.

And ..... here is the kicker on all of this ..... my screename, ICWT10 stands for (or should I say stood for):

InChadWeTrust10

I had this username since 2003 on some other Jets-related boards so I figured I'd just use it here also. I think I'm going to be sending a request in to the mods to get that changed.

Couldn't have said it any better. I am sure one or two of the Chad-apologists will weigh in as to why the Chad is not the problem.

Thats the thing though; there are few of them left. Even the most devout Penningtologists have now turned coat. Mangini has taken a relationship that Chad and Jets' fans have built over the course of years and over the course of catastrophic shoulder surgeries that was built through respect, admiration, and the toughness this man (Chad) showed to get his butt back on the field year after year. Look what leaving him out there well past the time he needed to be yanked has caused. 9 out of 10 Jets fans get pissed off even at the mention of Chad Pennington's name right now.I can't recall a guy who was considered the heart and face of a NFL franchise whose demise happened faster with his home crowd then Chad Pennington's. He was my favorite Jet since 2002 and while I still respect the man, I was ready to throw my computer monitor across the room on Tuesday when I read he would remain the starting QB.

Again, even the most devout Penningtologists have turned coat. Chad is left with virtually nobody in his corner except Mangini and this whole thing is his fault for being a Mangina and not having the balls to make the tough decision that needs to be made.

The worst thing that can happen this weekend is Chad has a good/decent game because he is playing the lowly Bills at home who are missing 1/2 their starting defense. All this will do is pro-long the inevitable longer. With that being said, I'm still starting the Bills defense/ST in two leagues this weekend.

 

[JMJ]

Read this thread from our Jets board when Mangini announced Chad the starter again this week. Be sure to read at least the first few pages. It will give you and idea of what Jets' fans think:

http://www.jetsinsider.net/forums/showthread.php?t=155204

 

[[scooter]]

I can't recall a guy who was considered the heart and face of a NFL franchise whose demise happened faster with his home crowd then Chad Pennington's.

Seriously? You can't? Not even with a teensy bit of effort?

 

[brednbuddah]

with, vilma now done for the year (link), they might as well put Clemens in to see what's he's got.

teams are now going to be able to run all day on the Jets, unless Harris proves me wrong. They have no NT (robertson is worthless) and now no Vilma. The middle is going to be wide open. Teams are going to be able to easily control the clocks against the Jets and wear the defense down. ugh!

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Funny, I thought it was all Herm's fault that Pennington has gone down the tubes. He gets blamed for everythimg else. Let's pile it on Herm.

 

[JMJ]

I can't recall a guy who was considered the heart and face of a NFL franchise whose demise happened faster with his home crowd then Chad Pennington's.

Seriously? You can't? Not even with a teensy bit of effort?

This fast?He led the Jets to a 10-6 record in 2006, a playoff berth, and won Comeback Player of the Year.

Jets fans cheered in week 1 of 2007 when it looked like he broke his ankle because Kellen Clemens was coming in.

That is EXTREMELY fast if you ask me. Can you name one faster?

 

[Rovers]

Funny, I thought it was all Herm's fault that Pennington has gone down the tubes. He gets blamed for everythimg else. Let's pile it on Herm.

Well, so much of that blame was reasonably atributed to Herm, especially in the game against KC when Pennington got hurt then Fiedler went down, and he put Pennington back in with a tron up shoulder instead of Bollinger. How much more damage happened to CP's shoulder after he was put back in? It's not quite as simple as letting Herm off the hook because Pennington is awful now. At the top of the list of Mangini's faults is that he over values smarts vs. talent. If a HC has some talented but not too bright players, I think the game plan should be simplified to accomadate that talent, if a player(s) has too much trouble with his complicated schemes. There are no square holes in Mangini's playbox, so he sits there with some perfectly good square pegs he has no use for. He is far too inflexable at this point. He had better adapt, or the long leash that HE himself is on will get shorter rather quickly. Back on topic, it seems to me that Mangini has dug his heels in on the QB issue, and come hell or high water he will stick with Pennington to prove himself right. If Clemens gets in, I'm sure it would be in pure garbage time.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Funny, I thought it was all Herm's fault that Pennington has gone down the tubes. He gets blamed for everythimg else. Let's pile it on Herm.

Well, so much of that blame was reasonably atributed to Herm, especially in the game against KC when Pennington got hurt then Fiedler went down, and he put Pennington back in with a tron up shoulder instead of Bollinger. How much more damage happened to CP's shoulder after he was put back in? It's not quite as simple as letting Herm off the hook because Pennington is awful now. At the top of the list of Mangini's faults is that he over values smarts vs. talent. If a HC has some talented but not too bright players, I think the game plan should be simplified to accomadate that talent, if a player(s) has too much trouble with his complicated schemes. There are no square holes in Mangini's playbox, so he sits there with some perfectly good square pegs he has no use for. He is far too inflexable at this point. He had better adapt, or the long leash that HE himself is on will get shorter rather quickly. Back on topic, it seems to me that Mangini has dug his heels in on the QB issue, and come hell or high water he will stick with Pennington to prove himself right. If Clemens gets in, I'm sure it would be in pure garbage time.

I'm sorry for the hijack here. I shouldn't have started this but how do you know any additional damage was done that game? How does anyone know? The fact is no one knows. But somehow I knew that SOME Jets fans could link Pennington's failure this year to Herm.Now please tell me how Herm was responsible for Vilma busting up his knee too.

 

[Mister CIA]

I can't recall a guy who was considered the heart and face of a NFL franchise whose demise happened faster with his home crowd then Chad Pennington's.

Seriously? You can't? Not even with a teensy bit of effort?

This fast?He led the Jets to a 10-6 record in 2006, a playoff berth, and won Comeback Player of the Year.

Jets fans cheered in week 1 of 2007 when it looked like he broke his ankle because Kellen Clemens was coming in.

That is EXTREMELY fast if you ask me. Can you name one faster?

That sound means that only vowels are left.M _ C H _ _ L . V _ C K .

 

[JMJ]

I can't recall a guy who was considered the heart and face of a NFL franchise whose demise happened faster with his home crowd then Chad Pennington's.

Seriously? You can't? Not even with a teensy bit of effort?

This fast?He led the Jets to a 10-6 record in 2006, a playoff berth, and won Comeback Player of the Year.

Jets fans cheered in week 1 of 2007 when it looked like he broke his ankle because Kellen Clemens was coming in.

That is EXTREMELY fast if you ask me. Can you name one faster?

That sound means that only vowels are left.M _ C H _ _ L . V _ C K .

Different circumstances. Chad Pennington is a model citizen and this has EVERYTHING to do with his on-field play and nothing to do with anything off of it.

 

[[scooter]]

I can't recall a guy who was considered the heart and face of a NFL franchise whose demise happened faster with his home crowd then Chad Pennington's.

Seriously? You can't? Not even with a teensy bit of effort?

This fast?He led the Jets to a 10-6 record in 2006, a playoff berth, and won Comeback Player of the Year.

Jets fans cheered in week 1 of 2007 when it looked like he broke his ankle because Kellen Clemens was coming in.

That is EXTREMELY fast if you ask me. Can you name one faster?

That sound means that only vowels are left.M _ C H _ _ L . V _ C K .

That's exactly who I had in mind when I made my original post. I'm sure there are others.

 

[Rovers]

Funny, I thought it was all Herm's fault that Pennington has gone down the tubes. He gets blamed for everythimg else. Let's pile it on Herm.

Well, so much of that blame was reasonably atributed to Herm, especially in the game against KC when Pennington got hurt then Fiedler went down, and he put Pennington back in with a tron up shoulder instead of Bollinger. How much more damage happened to CP's shoulder after he was put back in? It's not quite as simple as letting Herm off the hook because Pennington is awful now. At the top of the list of Mangini's faults is that he over values smarts vs. talent. If a HC has some talented but not too bright players, I think the game plan should be simplified to accomadate that talent, if a player(s) has too much trouble with his complicated schemes. There are no square holes in Mangini's playbox, so he sits there with some perfectly good square pegs he has no use for. He is far too inflexable at this point. He had better adapt, or the long leash that HE himself is on will get shorter rather quickly. Back on topic, it seems to me that Mangini has dug his heels in on the QB issue, and come hell or high water he will stick with Pennington to prove himself right. If Clemens gets in, I'm sure it would be in pure garbage time.

I'm sorry for the hijack here. I shouldn't have started this but how do you know any additional damage was done that game? How does anyone know? The fact is no one knows. But somehow I knew that SOME Jets fans could link Pennington's failure this year to Herm.Now please tell me how Herm was responsible for Vilma busting up his knee too.

I didn't attribute Pennington's bad play to Edwards at all.... wishful thinking on your part with a mysterious motive to say the least. I think it would not be a stretch to say that Herm playing both Pennington and Curtis Martin with serious injuries certainly didn't help thier careers. Might have (and yes we will never know) shortened the careers of both players.... that is a stand alone arguement, and doesn't belong in this thread, so at least that you got right. As a Jets fan, I am hopeful Mangini will give Clemens his shot... but I think it will come later, rather than sooner.

 

[HULLOBUDMAN]

Funny, I thought it was all Herm's fault that Pennington has gone down the tubes. He gets blamed for everythimg else. Let's pile it on Herm.

Well, so much of that blame was reasonably atributed to Herm, especially in the game against KC when Pennington got hurt then Fiedler went down, and he put Pennington back in with a tron up shoulder instead of Bollinger. How much more damage happened to CP's shoulder after he was put back in? It's not quite as simple as letting Herm off the hook because Pennington is awful now. At the top of the list of Mangini's faults is that he over values smarts vs. talent. If a HC has some talented but not too bright players, I think the game plan should be simplified to accomadate that talent, if a player(s) has too much trouble with his complicated schemes. There are no square holes in Mangini's playbox, so he sits there with some perfectly good square pegs he has no use for. He is far too inflexable at this point. He had better adapt, or the long leash that HE himself is on will get shorter rather quickly. Back on topic, it seems to me that Mangini has dug his heels in on the QB issue, and come hell or high water he will stick with Pennington to prove himself right. If Clemens gets in, I'm sure it would be in pure garbage time.

I'm sorry for the hijack here. I shouldn't have started this but how do you know any additional damage was done that game? How does anyone know? The fact is no one knows. But somehow I knew that SOME Jets fans could link Pennington's failure this year to Herm.Now please tell me how Herm was responsible for Vilma busting up his knee too.

I didn't attribute Pennington's bad play to Edwards at all.... wishful thinking on your part with a mysterious motive to say the least. I think it would not be a stretch to say that Herm playing both Pennington and Curtis Martin with serious injuries certainly didn't help thier careers. Might have (and yes we will never know) shortened the careers of both players.... that is a stand alone arguement, and doesn't belong in this thread, so at least that you got right. As a Jets fan, I am hopeful Mangini will give Clemens his shot... but I think it will come later, rather than sooner.

No offense meant and I hope none taken and I will not pollute this thread with more off subject matters. Someone must have #### in my Cheerios this morning and had me feeling like stirring something up. I thought you were one of the many Chief bashers preseason that suddenly went silent while the Chiefs have surpassed most expectations and the Jets have blown. Again, wrong place. wrong time.Back to the Pennington hate...

 

[circelli17]

If the Jets are down by double digits at the half and if Pennington hasn't engineered any long scoring drives I'd suspect he could get yanked at the half tomorrow

 

[Koya]

I can't recall a guy who was considered the heart and face of a NFL franchise whose demise happened faster with his home crowd then Chad Pennington's.

Seriously? You can't? Not even with a teensy bit of effort?

This fast?He led the Jets to a 10-6 record in 2006, a playoff berth, and won Comeback Player of the Year.

Jets fans cheered in week 1 of 2007 when it looked like he broke his ankle because Kellen Clemens was coming in.

That is EXTREMELY fast if you ask me. Can you name one faster?

Jets fans overall have been terrible to Pennington. Even if you believe he is not the right option, they have treated him without any of the respect that a guy who has bled and hurt for that franchise deserves. Really kinda shameful. The OP seems to be of that mindset... just piling on.

 

[Max Power]

OR... Pennington plays Decent and gets pulled after Mangenous calls an awful game.

 

[NorrisB]

How did clemens look today?

 

[Max Power]

I seriously get the feeling the Jets stopped caring about this season.

 

[Max Power]

How did clemens look today?

5/12 67 yards 2INTsnot sure how bad those picks looked though

 

[JMJ]

How did clemens look today?

5/12 67 yards 2INTsnot sure how bad those picks looked though

He was put in down by 10 with less then 3 minutes left. He was trying to force things and the 2nd INT was the last play of the game on a 45 yard heave into the endzone.An another note:Who followed suit with me in picking up the Buffalo Bills defense as a bye week filler this week? They got me 19 points.

 

[TommyGilmore]

OR... Pennington plays Decent and gets pulled after Mangenous calls an awful game.

But on the bright side.....not counting those 2 interceptions, Clemens did manage to complete 50% of his passes.

 

[JMJ]

OR... Pennington plays Decent and gets pulled after Mangenous calls an awful game.

But on the bright side.....not counting those 2 interceptions, Clemens did manage to complete 50% of his passes.

What about the poise and mobility he showed in the pocket avoiding multiple sacks? He even got hit twice on the same play and still managed to throw the ball for an incompletion. I have no clue how the hell he got out of that.

 

[Max Power]

Im sorry to say to all the Jets fans, your Coach just isnt that good. He was calling that game not to lose rather than to win. I just cant feel bad for that loss.

 

[TommyGilmore]

OR... Pennington plays Decent and gets pulled after Mangenous calls an awful game.

But on the bright side.....not counting those 2 interceptions, Clemens did manage to complete 50% of his passes.

What about the poise and mobility he showed in the pocket avoiding multiple sacks? He even got hit twice on the same play and still managed to throw the ball for an incompletion.

Cling to whatever it takes to get you through the season, Jets fans.

 

[JMJ]

OR... Pennington plays Decent and gets pulled after Mangenous calls an awful game.

But on the bright side.....not counting those 2 interceptions, Clemens did manage to complete 50% of his passes.

What about the poise and mobility he showed in the pocket avoiding multiple sacks? He even got hit twice on the same play and still managed to throw the ball for an incompletion.

Cling to whatever it takes to get you through the season, Jets fans.

 

[JMJ]

Im sorry to say to all the Jets fans, your Coach just isnt that good. He was calling that game not to lose rather than to win. I just cant feel bad for that loss.

Agreed.

 

[Kiddnets]

Im sorry to say to all the Jets fans, your Coach just isnt that good. He was calling that game not to lose rather than to win. I just cant feel bad for that loss.

Agreed.

As a big JEt fan I expected to take a step back this year - I even expected an ugly QB problem with the torch eventually being passed to KC. I did not expect the coaching staff to regress as it has done - everything I liked about Mangini and Schott has completely reversed this year. They used to play aggressive and now it is super conservative. From the dink and dunk offense - to predictable playcalling - to not going for it on 4th down in opponents territory - to trick gadget plays on 3rd and 1 instead of ramming it for the 1st down - to MAningi's cloack and dagger crap and say nothing attitude. Hopefully this is growing pains for a young staff but I am concerned. The development of KC is the only thing left in this train wreck of a year. Hopefully the kid comes along to give hope and avoids the need to draft a franchise QB with the top 5 pick this team will "earn"Thanks for the memories Chad - this was not your fault - you gave your heart and soul to this team and just couldn't take it any farther - you are going to be a great backup and top notch coach someday. As Joe from Saddle River says about the JEts "the names change of the players, the coaches and even owners....but the results stay the same!"

 

[Koya]

Im sorry to say to all the Jets fans, your Coach just isnt that good. He was calling that game not to lose rather than to win. I just cant feel bad for that loss.

Agreed.

As a big JEt fan I expected to take a step back this year - I even expected an ugly QB problem with the torch eventually being passed to KC. I did not expect the coaching staff to regress as it has done - everything I liked about Mangini and Schott has completely reversed this year. They used to play aggressive and now it is super conservative. From the dink and dunk offense - to predictable playcalling - to not going for it on 4th down in opponents territory - to trick gadget plays on 3rd and 1 instead of ramming it for the 1st down - to MAningi's cloack and dagger crap and say nothing attitude. Hopefully this is growing pains for a young staff but I am concerned. The development of KC is the only thing left in this train wreck of a year. Hopefully the kid comes along to give hope and avoids the need to draft a franchise QB with the top 5 pick this team will "earn"

Thanks for the memories Chad - this was not your fault - you gave your heart and soul to this team and just couldn't take it any farther - you are going to be a great backup and top notch coach someday.

As Joe from Saddle River says about the JEts "the names change of the players, the coaches and even owners....but the results stay the same!"

I am a Giants fan, but have no animosity toward the Jets. Chad has really done everything he could. The guy has a decent long ball, but he can't throw an out... so why do they only throw on long ball a game, and keep tossing that impossible out? :sigh:

All along I have stated that the question was not when to yank Chad, but when is it BEST to start of Clemens. As it stands right now, if you feel as a coaching staff that Clemens is prepared for a start, you have to go to him.

But if he is not, then Chad is going to have to suck it up in the interest of the franchises next possible QB. I don't see how Chad starts again if Clemens in healthy, this year

 

[zamboni]

Jets | Clemens to become starting quarterback

Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:40:38 -0700

Mark Cannizzaro, of the New York Post, reports the New York Jets will turn to QB Kellen Clemens as the starter for the team's Week 9 game, according to a source.

Kind of a "my brother's contractor told my doctor, who told me" kind of thing, but I don't doubt it's going to happen. Cannizzaro is pretty plugged in.

 

[Max Power]

Im sorry to say to all the Jets fans, your Coach just isnt that good. He was calling that game not to lose rather than to win. I just cant feel bad for that loss.

Agreed.

As a big JEt fan I expected to take a step back this year - I even expected an ugly QB problem with the torch eventually being passed to KC. I did not expect the coaching staff to regress as it has done - everything I liked about Mangini and Schott has completely reversed this year. They used to play aggressive and now it is super conservative. From the dink and dunk offense - to predictable playcalling - to not going for it on 4th down in opponents territory - to trick gadget plays on 3rd and 1 instead of ramming it for the 1st down - to MAningi's cloack and dagger crap and say nothing attitude. Hopefully this is growing pains for a young staff but I am concerned. The development of KC is the only thing left in this train wreck of a year. Hopefully the kid comes along to give hope and avoids the need to draft a franchise QB with the top 5 pick this team will "earn"Thanks for the memories Chad - this was not your fault - you gave your heart and soul to this team and just couldn't take it any farther - you are going to be a great backup and top notch coach someday. As Joe from Saddle River says about the JEts "the names change of the players, the coaches and even owners....but the results stay the same!"

I cant help to think how big of a loss Kendell was. I think having him on the Line would turn a below average Run game into a strenght. Runs to open up the pass. Instead of running for 3 yards on 1 & 2 Down followed by a 50% 3rd down pass. Teams just cant win like that.

 

[JMJ]

Im sorry to say to all the Jets fans, your Coach just isnt that good. He was calling that game not to lose rather than to win. I just cant feel bad for that loss.

Agreed.

As a big JEt fan I expected to take a step back this year - I even expected an ugly QB problem with the torch eventually being passed to KC. I did not expect the coaching staff to regress as it has done - everything I liked about Mangini and Schott has completely reversed this year. They used to play aggressive and now it is super conservative. From the dink and dunk offense - to predictable playcalling - to not going for it on 4th down in opponents territory - to trick gadget plays on 3rd and 1 instead of ramming it for the 1st down - to MAningi's cloack and dagger crap and say nothing attitude. Hopefully this is growing pains for a young staff but I am concerned. The development of KC is the only thing left in this train wreck of a year. Hopefully the kid comes along to give hope and avoids the need to draft a franchise QB with the top 5 pick this team will "earn"Thanks for the memories Chad - this was not your fault - you gave your heart and soul to this team and just couldn't take it any farther - you are going to be a great backup and top notch coach someday. As Joe from Saddle River says about the JEts "the names change of the players, the coaches and even owners....but the results stay the same!"

I cant help to think how big of a loss Kendell was. I think having him on the Line would turn a below average Run game into a strenght. Runs to open up the pass. Instead of running for 3 yards on 1 & 2 Down followed by a 50% 3rd down pass. Teams just cant win like that.

Wrong.I'm not trying to be a d.ck, but that is just incorrect. NFL defenses do not fear Chad Pennington's arm. They stack the box with 8 or 9 men and dare Chad to beat them over the top which he rarely even attempts to do. Without an OLine like the Chiefs of the early 2000's .... you just aren't going to consisently run with success against 9 man fronts.And as for Kendall, he is a far superior pass blocker then run blocker. He is listed as 292 lbs but he is more like 285 if he is lucky. He is lean .... not big. He plays on the left side (the pass blocking side), not the right side (the mauling side). Over 65% of Jets runs last season were to the right side. They rarely attempted to run behind Kendall.