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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (5 Viewers)
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Concept Coop
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This is how I would roll. Unfortunately I can't remember having the 1st overall pick but I would never say who I was picking.
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Soulfly3
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Concept Coop
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Lets put it this way, if it is a remotely consensus top guy, make sure everyone knows you are taking him.
But even if not, and the top pick could be any one of 3 guys, if you tell them who you want and someone behind you really wants the guy, you might just get a sweet deal. if not, then it changes nothing, and you just take who you want.
Or like I said, lie about who you are taking, if you dont make a deal, then draft who you really wanted, and then you just created more trade partners
ghostguy123
Footballguy
I guess I am just not explaining it well enough.
If there is a consensus #1 player, then make sure people know that is the pick.
If there isn't, then get some chatter going about who you are going to take (who cares who you are actually taking, just get chatter going). Say this year if you really want Watkins, but say you want Evans, who knows, maybe the guy at pick 2 wants evans, and you make a deal picking up something for free.
If the draft comes around and you didnt make a deal, then just take who you want (say Watkins), and then people who wanted him might make you some good offers.
When you have the #1 pick, it doesnt matter what you say. it's not like someone can jump in front of you. I dont see the point in being secretive about it.
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squistion
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I think if there is a consensus #1 player and you say you are taking that player, you are limiting your potential trade partners. If the picks immediately below you favor another player (or don't want to pay a premium for the 1.01) then they will sit tight and assume they will get who they really want or who falls to them. If you keep them guessing...then they might move up figuring you are going against the conventional wisdom and take the player they want.
In my case (which started this discussion) it is a moot point, because the 1.01 did not involve the trade, it was an aside I made that factored in my thinking as trading TRich (who I don't think is worth that much) was not that big a deal, because I could replace him with the best RB available. I still have the 1.01 and can move down if I wish, but in the meantime I got Hilton/M.Jones for TRich/Amendola which is more important to me than trading down and hoping to get the best RB in this rookie class.
As the old song goes...different strokes for different folks.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Then lie about who you want at pick 1. Point is, get chatter going.
But, if the people behind you want someone other than that consensus number 1, then really, that doesn't sound like the guy is really a consensus number 1 anyway.
But, if the people behind you want someone other than that consensus number 1, then really, that doesn't sound like the guy is really a consensus number 1 anyway.
squistion
Footballguy
Sorry, I don't do that. Several of my leagues are over a decade old and even if they weren't, my integrity and future credibility means more to me than lying to people to get a better draft pick now. I understand the mentality that the ends justify the means and lying is OK as long you are a winner in any trade or situation, but that is not where I am coming from - if you feel differently, fine, we can agree to disagree about personal ethics.
opensourcebeer
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If I need a QB 1, I pay this easy. In my 16 team league I'm still a buyer if he's going to be my QB 2.kyter1 said:
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Seriously? Not only could just say you changed your mind before the draft, but even still.........seriously?
What do you guys do, all post your top 10 and then trade accordingly??
I am utterly shocked "ethics" was brought into that. Wow. I mean, wow. It's not like this is tanking for a better pick. This is nothing more than getting some thought going about that pick.
I don't care if my own mom and grandmother have the 2nd and 3rd picks. I do not want them to know what I am TRULY thinking. There is nothing remotely unethical about that.
Unless you are playing in a non-competitive league that is among all friends for low money or no money, in which case, that is an entirely different situation.
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squistion
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r0llin_game
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Interesting. I still am a big Lamar fan. With how awful Mike Sherman was last year, along with all of the turmoil with the Incognito/Martin crap, I don't think Lamar got much of a fair shot last year. I felt like there's still plenty of hope for him to succeed as a solid fantasy RB option. If this is the price for Lamar, I'm going to try and buy him in a few leagues then.
loose circuits
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Not me, but in my league. 12 team ppr
2.06 & Zac Stacy for V Jax
I don't get it. Team getting VJax is rebuilding but says he is deep at RB- Matthews, Ball, Woodhead, & Joique. Don't see it
2.06 & Zac Stacy for V Jax
I don't get it. Team getting VJax is rebuilding but says he is deep at RB- Matthews, Ball, Woodhead, & Joique. Don't see it
ConnSKINS26
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
I like the trade. If the guy trading Stacy thinks that the Rams will add another back then he buying V. Jackson with the chance to sell him higher in season to a contending team. Maybe he flips Jackson in season for 2015 first and a guy like Evans if he struggles his first season like Jeffery and Floyd did.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
That's certainly possible--I like how you're thinking there.
I'm just not sure trading away the 2.06 in a draft like this is a smart decision for a rebuilding team.
vandelyons
Footballguy
Gave 1.09
Got Kaepernick
QB heavy format
Got Kaepernick
QB heavy format
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Stacy clearly has more market value than VJax in a league where you have to start 2 or more RB. However his expected career trajectory isn't much different given he'll continue to have bust risk. Certainly I could see doing it straight up.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
I've managed to trade for or unfortunately had early picks in quite a few leagues over the last few years and always made my intentions clear.
I'm always happy enough with my choice that I don't mind if people know, I did it with Dez, I did it with AJ Green
I'm always happy enough with my choice that I don't mind if people know, I did it with Dez, I did it with AJ Green
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Somehow I doubt the guy is thinking that.
And even if he is, he is selling low right now, which wouldnt make sense.
One More Rep
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ghostguy123
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
I agree, but if I had the Gordon side not sure I could make the deal. Given that it is February and Gordon has half a year to screw up I would likely deal that side for the Julio side.
ghostguy123
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I am rather shocked you got Harvin for pick 4 in a PPR format, good move whether you like him or not.
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Soulfly3
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I like him plenty more than I seem like in the Gordon thread.
The other owner is pretty stacked at WR, and was willing to part w him for the 4 pick.. I was surprised, so I jumped on it
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Not even talking about you specificially, for anyone, whether you like Harvin or not getting him for pick 4 is simply something you should do if you get the chance.
I really can't understand why people do that. Why trade away a guy like Harvin for pick 4 NOW. You shoudl know that Harvin can get you pick 4 during the draft no matter which 3 players get taken first (in the vast majority of cases), so why not just wait till then to see if a guy you actually want more than Harvin is there. And if you need a RB badly or a TE or QB badly, then just try dealing harvin for a guy already in the league.
Ah who knows.
EBF
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I think you're underestimating how far Harvin's perceived value has fallen. There is a lot of bloom off that rose after 1.5 seasons on the sideline.
Pick 4 is no joke. It's no sure thing either, but there should be some good options on the board there and if you pick well, you should get a good player with his whole career ahead of him.
Pick 4 is no joke. It's no sure thing either, but there should be some good options on the board there and if you pick well, you should get a good player with his whole career ahead of him.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So you are saying you take pick 4 over Harvin?
I am aware his perceived value has fallen, which I was counting on, and have cashed in on it once. So has Soulfly.
And what is Harvin, 25? He has his whole career ahead of him, too. And We KNOW he scores like a stud when he plays.
Of course he has recent injury issues, but I will take a 25 year old who has proven to score like a stud when on the field than pick 4 who has a prtt low chance to score like Harvin, plus who knows if that guy will get hurt as well. I will take the "sure thing top tier when healthy" over pick 4 in this draft pretty handily.
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LBH
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I thought that trade was pretty even though I think the pick should probably been left out of it
King of the Jungle
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, he is about to be 29. I think this is a pretty good cashout price for Calvin. I can't see getting that in a year when he will be 30
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Even worse trade if he plans to flip him because Stacy has way more value than Jackson plus he threw in a decent pick. Pretty bad.
Seems like an odd trade and one I likely wouldn't make as the Stacy owner if I had to give up a pick and the younger player.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
EBF
Footballguy
He's 25 at the moment, but for all intents and purposes he's 26 since that will be his age in a few months.
I like Harvin and would be happy to have him on my team. On the other hand, I think it's quite possible that there will be 3-4 rookies with similar startup value. Lacy, Bell, Bernard, and Stacy are all going ahead of Harvin in current startup drafts. I think Seastrunk, Hyde, and Hill are no less talented than the mean of that group. If they land in a starting role, they could put up top 10-12 RB numbers right away. Harvin is capable of scoring even more than that, but we've yet to see how Seattle will use him and he's missed significant time each of the past two seasons. He has his risk in his own right. Just a different type of risk.
I don't know that the 1.04 is clearly more valuable, but I don't know that it's clearly less valuable either.
ghostguy123
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