slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
Are we on the same page? I prefer Antonio Brown by quite a bit.
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*** OFFICIAL *** 13/14 Off-Season Dynasty Trade Thread (3 Viewers)
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Boston
Footballguy
That's what I was thinking...Brown is a legit stud...he's already put up big numbers and he's still really young...there's nothing but luggage and hope with that offer...I would not consider that offer for a second...
slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
Cool thought so. Its weird sometimes when folks post the assumed opinion but don't define it. Some would argue the other way but I agree, that's a funky trade. If the 2nd were a high first we would be closer but still not even.
valhallan
Footballguy
I think they're both rare trades in this thread that aren't obviously one sided. They amount to Cobb vs Patterson and Reed vs Green. Very debatable, people have preferences on either side of both deals.
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Boston
Footballguy
Why trade a stud like Brown for nothing but question marks (and at this point is McFadden even a question mark)...I hate offers like this because they hardly force you to think...if you can't get more than that for a legit #1 WR like Brown than you're not trying...
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
This thread is going to be fun to look back on in a year if Trent Richardson somehow magically turns it around.
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
This thread is going to be fun to look back on in a year if Cordarrelle Patterson somehow magically performs to reasonable expectations
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
As the saying goes, there's a reason he's consistently one of the worst teamsNot really sure but he was the weak link last year too. Last season at the same time as now I traded him Chris Ivory for his 2014 pick... Ended up 1.1 Sammy Watkins.
Donsmith753
Footballguy
Julios
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I doubt that. Even the most delusional T. Richardson fan would move him in a heartbeat for Brown is my guess,
I like Cobb but CP and the the 2 better RB's is a solid return. Good trade.
Killer return for Reed imo. I also don't like the concussions for Reed and would sell
Gave:
T-Rich, Bradshaw, Herron, Dri Archer
Received:
Deangelo Williams, Donald Brown, Benny Cunningham, 2015 1st(top5), 2015 2nd(same).
I still think T-Rich can be productive as I've said in the T-Rich thread, but at this price, I'll take the chance on piecing together my RB2 this year and grabbing a new one next year. Worst part of the deal for me was parting with Archer, but couldn't make the deal without him. No huge loss(I hope)
T-Rich, Bradshaw, Herron, Dri Archer
Received:
Deangelo Williams, Donald Brown, Benny Cunningham, 2015 1st(top5), 2015 2nd(same).
I still think T-Rich can be productive as I've said in the T-Rich thread, but at this price, I'll take the chance on piecing together my RB2 this year and grabbing a new one next year. Worst part of the deal for me was parting with Archer, but couldn't make the deal without him. No huge loss(I hope)
That is maybe a little more than TRich is worth if that 1st is indeed in the top 1/2 next year
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
Apparently not. I, however, am one of the most delusional out there, and I make that trade above in tasmanian devil like fashion.
deadlyrange0321
Footballguy
12 team PPR 1QB 2RB 2WR 1TE 1FLEX
Team A trades:
Dennis Pitta
Team B trades:
Mark Ingram
Team A's best RBs were Spiller/F-Jax and Pierce, while Team B's only legitimate TE was Ertz (is rostering Finley as well). Team A is left with JThomas and TKelce at TE.
Team A trades:
Dennis Pitta
Team B trades:
Mark Ingram
Team A's best RBs were Spiller/F-Jax and Pierce, while Team B's only legitimate TE was Ertz (is rostering Finley as well). Team A is left with JThomas and TKelce at TE.
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eNdblu
Footballguy
Tried something similar, was also rejected quickly without a counter w/ the same response
thriftyrocker
Footballguy
Win, win. Worth a shot if Pitta is expendable for you, hoping Ingram either breaks out or has a better timeshare next year.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Unknown second smash
bostonfred
Footballguy
I suck at this smash thing
12 team PPR, 1 point per 25 yards passing, 4 points for passing TDs, start 1/2/3/1/flex
Team A gives: Colin Kaepernick, 3.01 (used immediately on Teddy Bridgewater)
Team B gives: Justin Hunter, Jake Locker, 4.01, 2015 4th round pick, $250 BB bucks ($1000 budget, unused dollars roll over)
Team A had Foles at QB and Garcon/Decker/Jordan Matthews at WR (as well as a few WR5 types). Team B already had Griffin at QB, but Hunter was 5th or 6th on his receiver depth chart (depending on how you feel about Tavon Austin).
Team A gives: Colin Kaepernick, 3.01 (used immediately on Teddy Bridgewater)
Team B gives: Justin Hunter, Jake Locker, 4.01, 2015 4th round pick, $250 BB bucks ($1000 budget, unused dollars roll over)
Team A had Foles at QB and Garcon/Decker/Jordan Matthews at WR (as well as a few WR5 types). Team B already had Griffin at QB, but Hunter was 5th or 6th on his receiver depth chart (depending on how you feel about Tavon Austin).
Papa John's
Footballguy
Team A gets
Hunter, Justin TEN WR;
Eifert, Tyler CIN TE
Team B Gets
Johnson, Chris NYJ RBhttp://football14.myfantasyleague.com/2014/player?L=28616&P=9078;
Quick, Brian STL WRhttp://football14.myfantasyleague.com/2014/player?L=28616&P=10735;
Cook, Jared STL TEhttp://football14.myfantasyleague.com/2014/player?L=28616&P=9474
TE Premium league ... Criminal.
Hunter, Justin TEN WR;
Eifert, Tyler CIN TE
Team B Gets
Johnson, Chris NYJ RBhttp://football14.myfantasyleague.com/2014/player?L=28616&P=9078;
Quick, Brian STL WRhttp://football14.myfantasyleague.com/2014/player?L=28616&P=10735;
Cook, Jared STL TEhttp://football14.myfantasyleague.com/2014/player?L=28616&P=9474
TE Premium league ... Criminal.
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valhallan
Footballguy
Seems like a weird move for B. He must be panicking about RG3.
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As team B, I can say it was more about redistributing depth across my roster (had 7 WRs I loved but just 1 QB I felt comfortable with), and not about any specific concerns about Griffin. I really like getting two or three quality, reliable, long-term starters at QB in dynasty and then leaving the position alone for half a decade. I also felt like Kaepernick was a safer store of value. Hunter may boom or he may bust, whereas I think Kaepernick will be worth more or less the same next year as he is right now.
The Bridgewater pick was just because he was by far the highest-rated guy left on my board. My other option was Jace Amaro, which was tempting since it is a TE-premium league, but I think Bridgewater is the better player and I was deeper at TE than I was at QB, besides.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
I've seen you mention this before with WRs, in that acquiring a couple of young WRs allows you to invest all your future resources into finding running backs. Given that and the same here about QBs, I'm just wondering how often things actually end up working out that way?
I ask because I've approached leagues with the same strategy before, but am never able to resist going after players I like at the positions I'm already strong at. In my main dynasty league a few years back I had AJ, Megatron, and Fitz who were the #1, #2, and #3 dynasty receivers at the time. Yet my 1st round rookie pick was Demaryius Thomas that year, because he was the best value on the board at the time.
I've since ditched AJ but last year was starting Megatron, Demaryius, and Fitz and had also acquired recent rookie picks on Floyd and Patterson (again, best value in Floyd's case and a guy I really wanted to own in Patterson's case). So here I am with these mega loaded WRs yet when two guys I liked became available this offseason (Harvin via an owner looking to trade him and Maclin via restricted free agency) I was eager to buy.
Same situation with QB, where I have Matt Ryan who should be a more than adequate guy on the level of RG3/Kap for the next 5-7 years, yet I can't help but view the position as a weakness and am looking to replace him with someone better.
I guess what I'm really getting at here is that the hot new trend seems to be investing early in WRs/QBs that will last so you can spend all your resources filling those empty RB slots later. Yet the type of people that invest in WRs/QBs are going to have a hard time giving up value at those positions for RBs that they may not really like. In my case, if I'd ignored WR in those 3 rookie drafts since I was already set there and reached on RBs instead I would have ended up with Montee Ball, Isaiah Pead, and Montarrio Hardesty instead of Patterson, Floyd, and Demaryius. Yikes.
I've always been a "draft for talent, trade for need" guy. I don't care how deep I am at a position, if a player at that position is the best guy left in a rookie draft, I'm taking him. I did that in the rookie draft in this league; I already had Julio, Harvin, Crabtree, Austin, and Hunter, but I still drafted Sammy Watkins at 1.01. Okay, so drafting Watkins was a "no duh" move there... but I also traded up from the 13th pick to the 11th pick to grab a falling Davante Adams despite already being embarrassingly deep at the position (according to FBGs staff consensus rankings, I already owned three top-12 WRs and Adams was my 7th guy in the top 40). Same deal with the 3.01- I already owned Griffin and Kaepernick, but Bridgewater was the BPA, so I took him rather than reaching on a guy like James White. And my reason is exactly the one you gave- reaching for less talented players at a "need" position is a really good way to get yourself a less talented team in the long run. In another dynasty league, I own Calvin, Keenan Allen, Percy Harvin, Michael Floyd, Cordarrelle Patterson, Michael Crabtree, and Larry Fitzgerald. I also own the 1.03 rookie pick, which I'm 99% sure is going to be Brandon Cooks, (there's a 1% chance Evans falls and he's the pick, instead). Do I care that Cooks might actually be my WR8 in a league where I can only start three? Not particularly. If I need help at RB later this season, I'm pretty sure that someone in my league will be interested in buying one of those eight receivers at fair market value.
I've never had trouble shuffling off that excess depth into a more needed position when the time comes. Failing that, I'll convert players at a position of depth into extra rookie picks and then convert those extra rookie picks into players at a position of need. I play in leagues that are active enough that I never worry about whether I'll be able to convert depth at one position into help at another should disaster befall. That gives me the luxury of focusing on my goal of maximizing talent. If I played in less active leagues, I wouldn't be quite so cavalier about stacking one position to like that.
Edit to add: My oldest league has been around since 2007; on a roster of 30 players and with our 2014 rookie draft pending, I currently own TWO guys that I actually drafted. And I'm not talking about guys that I drafted in the startup, I'm talking about guys that I drafted at any point in the last seven years. I have Ben Roethlisberger who I drafted in the startup back in 2007 (speaking to my preference to grab a long-term solution at QB and let him hold down the fort, Roethlisberger has been my QB2 for the better part of a decade). I also have Jonathan Stewart who I drafted in 2008 and am pretty much going to go down with the ship on. All of the guys I drafted in 2013 (pretty much just Le'Veon Bell) have long since been traded away. As have the guys I drafted in 2012 (RGIII, Stephen Hill, Reuben Randle), and the guys I drafted in 2011 (A.J. Green, Greg Little, Randle Cobb, Julius Thomas), and the guys I drafted in 2010 (Demaryius Thomas- who I traded away, traded back for, and traded away again- and Ben Tate), and so on and so forth. I also have Colin Kaepernick and Jordan Reed, who I added as free agents immediately after the rookie draft, and a bit of roster fodder that I've picked up off the waiver wire in the last year. The bulk of my roster in that league, though (Brees, Foles, Charles, Peterson, Rice, Pierce, Calvin, Keenan, Harvin, Crabtree, Floyd, Patterson, Fitzgerald, Gronkowski, LaDarius Green, even the 49ers and Rams defenses) are guys that I've traded for over the years. Obviously results are not typical, and I've had a lot of lucky breaks go my way over the years, but that team is the gold standard of my "draft for talent, trade for need" philosophy. I've drafted a lot of really good players in rookie drafts, and been quick to sell them all off any time I felt I could turn a profit or shore up a position of need.
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valhallan
Footballguy
Fair enough. I like the storage theory but wonder about the practical appplication. Value is only worth what you can use.
I had Big Ben putting up top ten numbers behind Rodgers for years and offered a bazillion trades that we were rejected. Eventually he was a piece in a larger deal to get Mathews in 2011. I guess you could say that worked but I held Ben since 2005. It took for-ev-errrrr.
Eifert is worth more on his own. Buying pre-season hype is expensive
Vereen is worth more than everything on the other side imo
I like Hunter too
cstu
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