*** Official 2010 Carolina Panthers Thread *** (1 Viewer)

[BassNBrew]

Otherwise known as the place where i talk to myself.

Interesting off season upon us. We wanted Fox gone and he goes and saves his job with a strong finish to the season. Now Fox doesn't know if he wants to come back now that we want him back. Peppers is back in good graces with many around here. Delhomme not so much. Moore looked like he could get the job done. Moose sounds like he is planning on being elsewhere. Once again, no 1st round draft pick so things will be interesting.

My thoughts...

* Let Fox go. I don't he has the desire needed to win a Super Bowl. I don't need to hear "it is what it is" anymore and I don't need the post game pressers where he sounds like he doesn't care.

* Sign and trade Pep. Bottom line, he's not worth the money for an occasional great game.

* Let Moose go and let's get someone who can take some pressure off of Smitty.

* Keep both Stewart and Williams. Let's ride those horses for 1200 yards each next year.

* The schedule looks pretty soft next year. Hopefully a good coach can take advantage and get us back to the playoffs.

 

[patrickmcgroin]

If Fox wants to go to somewhere else, like say Cleveland, good luck with that. I think we could get Cowher.

 

[Bunky]

fire crossman

 

[omally]

Otherwise known as the place where i talk to myself.Interesting off season upon us. We wanted Fox gone and he goes and saves his job with a strong finish to the season. Now Fox doesn't know if he wants to come back now that we want him back. Peppers is back in good graces with many around here. Delhomme not so much. Moore looked like he could get the job done. Moose sounds like he is planning on being elsewhere. Once again, no 1st round draft pick so things will be interesting.My thoughts...* Let Fox go. I don't he has the desire needed to win a Super Bowl. I don't need to hear "it is what it is" anymore and I don't need the post game pressers where he sounds like he doesn't care.* Sign and trade Pep. Bottom line, he's not worth the money for an occasional great game.* Let Moose go and let's get someone who can take some pressure off of Smitty.* Keep both Stewart and Williams. Let's ride those horses for 1200 yards each next year.* The schedule looks pretty soft next year. Hopefully a good coach can take advantage and get us back to the playoffs.

Otherwise known as the place you talk to yourself? Plenty of Panther fans post in Panther threads. Usually your Panther post are constant complaints, so much that I'm not sure why you jumped ship from being a Bears fan to a Panthers fan. I didn't want Fox gone. I like him, and I think he is a good coach. I think Richardson is doing the right thing in not extending Fox's contract right now, but I also understand why Fox feels like a lame duck. There is no guarantee that someone like Cowher would do a better job, and the players play hard for Fox. One of the big gripes for some Panther fans on Fox is how he stayed loyal to Jake for too long, but Cowher did the same thing with Kordell Stewart. I think the OC needs to get more creative. He is predictable just like Henning was, although run first teams aren't generally exciting. Still the play calling was questionable many times this past season. I think the DC Meeks did a nice job this year. The D is really starting to come together even with a boatload of them being on IR.Peppers has said he has liked playing in the defense this year. He has played better since his broken hand as healed. It seems like he might want to stay, but unless he signs a contract that is friendly, I think it's time for him to go. He hijacked us last year, and we couldn't sign anyone in the offseason leaving us thin at many positions.Moose has said that he wants to continue to play for the Panthers, and how much he plays is not an issue with him. I think they should resign him (he can be had for cheap), and have him play as a WR 3. His leadership is good for the team. We need to have a new #2 that is quick and will take pressure off Smith. DeAngelo has one year left on his contract. I don't see them trying to trade him away before his contract is up. I hope they give him a new contract. As great as Stewart is, he can't be relied on to carry a full load with that lingering achilles problem. They need to figure out how to get that achilles to heal completely. Plus it's nice having two stud backs.It's hard to really know how soft a schedule is for an upcoming season since some teams improve a lot and some teams take steps backwards. There should definitely be a QB competition for next season. Moore improved each time he got to play, and he might mold into a good starting QB. It will be interesting to see how that position plays out. I think Jake just doesn't have the accuracy anymore to be the starter.

 

[VaCatFan]

Otherwise known as the place where i talk to myself.Interesting off season upon us. We wanted Fox gone and he goes and saves his job with a strong finish to the season. Now Fox doesn't know if he wants to come back now that we want him back. Peppers is back in good graces with many around here. Delhomme not so much. Moore looked like he could get the job done. Moose sounds like he is planning on being elsewhere. Once again, no 1st round draft pick so things will be interesting.My thoughts...* Let Fox go. I don't he has the desire needed to win a Super Bowl. I don't need to hear "it is what it is" anymore and I don't need the post game pressers where he sounds like he doesn't care.* Sign and trade Pep. Bottom line, he's not worth the money for an occasional great game.* Let Moose go and let's get someone who can take some pressure off of Smitty.* Keep both Stewart and Williams. Let's ride those horses for 1200 yards each next year.* The schedule looks pretty soft next year. Hopefully a good coach can take advantage and get us back to the playoffs.

Otherwise known as the place you talk to yourself? Plenty of Panther fans post in Panther threads. Usually your Panther post are constant complaints, so much that I'm not sure why you jumped ship from being a Bears fan to a Panthers fan. I didn't want Fox gone. I like him, and I think he is a good coach. I think Richardson is doing the right thing in not extending Fox's contract right now, but I also understand why Fox feels like a lame duck. There is no guarantee that someone like Cowher would do a better job, and the players play hard for Fox. One of the big gripes for some Panther fans on Fox is how he stayed loyal to Jake for too long, but Cowher did the same thing with Kordell Stewart. I think the OC needs to get more creative. He is predictable just like Henning was, although run first teams aren't generally exciting. Still the play calling was questionable many times this past season. I think the DC Meeks did a nice job this year. The D is really starting to come together even with a boatload of them being on IR.Peppers has said he has liked playing in the defense this year. He has played better since his broken hand as healed. It seems like he might want to stay, but unless he signs a contract that is friendly, I think it's time for him to go. He hijacked us last year, and we couldn't sign anyone in the offseason leaving us thin at many positions.Moose has said that he wants to continue to play for the Panthers, and how much he plays is not an issue with him. I think they should resign him (he can be had for cheap), and have him play as a WR 3. His leadership is good for the team. We need to have a new #2 that is quick and will take pressure off Smith. DeAngelo has one year left on his contract. I don't see them trying to trade him away before his contract is up. I hope they give him a new contract. As great as Stewart is, he can't be relied on to carry a full load with that lingering achilles problem. They need to figure out how to get that achilles to heal completely. Plus it's nice having two stud backs.It's hard to really know how soft a schedule is for an upcoming season since some teams improve a lot and some teams take steps backwards. There should definitely be a QB competition for next season. Moore improved each time he got to play, and he might mold into a good starting QB. It will be interesting to see how that position plays out. I think Jake just doesn't have the accuracy anymore to be the starter.

New rumors being heard of Fox to Cleveland. Right now he's a lame duck as Richardson doesn't want to extend him. If Fox walks to another team, I think Richardson tries to pry a pick out of the team. With Peppers playing well the last couple of weeks (you gotta wonder if it was for a new contract or the defense coming together), you attempt to re-sign him. With the year being uncapped, you franchise him if you can't get him signed and then try to trade him. Bring Moose back under a comfortable contract to have him retire a Panther. Move him to slot as the #3 WR. Still need to draft or sign a FA as a #2. Someone on another site suggested Nate Burleson. Was on pace for 1k yards receiving before turning an ankle in week 14. Would probably come cheap and nets you someone for a year while continuing to develop Kenny Moore and possibly Jarrett. QB needs to be a competition, but with the way Moore has played, you need to let him play. He wasn't a practice player or pre-season, but when the lights come on, he's played well enough for us. Still need a vet behind him and another QB for development/practice squad. Moore starts, Jake is the backup(or gets cut if we can't do something with his contract), Hunter Cantwell is the PS guy. Let DeAngelo play out his contract. No sense pushing a big contract his way, especially if the owners are trying to get the salary cap reduced. You just tie your hands in the future. Stewart is enough to play in 2011 with Sutton and Goodson as backups with another draft pick or free agent pickup. For Carolina to succeed, they need to determine what kind of team they want to be. It needs to be a very stout defense and sensible run oriented offense, or a high scoring offense with a keep you in the game defense. I think the defense really turned it on at the end of the year as it became more comfortable with Meeks defense, so it may be worthwhile to put the money in the defense and play sensible offense.

 

[scrumptrulescent]

Who could the Panthers trade Peppers to, getting a starting WR in return? I know it's not Boldin in Arizona because they don't really need a DE.....unless they'd want him as an OLB.

Just wondering out loud.

 

[BassNBrew]

Otherwise known as the place you talk to yourself? Plenty of Panther fans post in Panther threads. Usually your Panther post are constant complaints, so much that I'm not sure why you jumped ship from being a Bears fan to a Panthers fan. I didn't want Fox gone. I like him, and I think he is a good coach. I think Richardson is doing the right thing in not extending Fox's contract right now, but I also understand why Fox feels like a lame duck. There is no guarantee that someone like Cowher would do a better job, and the players play hard for Fox. One of the big gripes for some Panther fans on Fox is how he stayed loyal to Jake for too long, but Cowher did the same thing with Kordell Stewart. I think the OC needs to get more creative. He is predictable just like Henning was, although run first teams aren't generally exciting. Still the play calling was questionable many times this past season. I think the DC Meeks did a nice job this year. The D is really starting to come together even with a boatload of them being on IR.Peppers has said he has liked playing in the defense this year. He has played better since his broken hand as healed. It seems like he might want to stay, but unless he signs a contract that is friendly, I think it's time for him to go. He hijacked us last year, and we couldn't sign anyone in the offseason leaving us thin at many positions.Moose has said that he wants to continue to play for the Panthers, and how much he plays is not an issue with him. I think they should resign him (he can be had for cheap), and have him play as a WR 3. His leadership is good for the team. We need to have a new #2 that is quick and will take pressure off Smith. DeAngelo has one year left on his contract. I don't see them trying to trade him away before his contract is up. I hope they give him a new contract. As great as Stewart is, he can't be relied on to carry a full load with that lingering achilles problem. They need to figure out how to get that achilles to heal completely. Plus it's nice having two stud backs.It's hard to really know how soft a schedule is for an upcoming season since some teams improve a lot and some teams take steps backwards. There should definitely be a QB competition for next season. Moore improved each time he got to play, and he might mold into a good starting QB. It will be interesting to see how that position plays out. I think Jake just doesn't have the accuracy anymore to be the starter.

The traffic in last year's Panther thread was about a 1/4 of what it was a year before. Surely we don't have that many bandwagon fans. Some fans are always rah rah, others are realistic and complain when they're being fed crap.Agree with you on the defense. It's definately top heavy with talent and weak on the backend. That said, teams like Pitt seem to make that model work.We'll have to disagree regarding Fox. What are your thoughts on Hurney? Overall I'm very happy the way the recent drafts have turned out. My only complaint (which I'm so good at) is the organization's failure to find a decent second WR.

 

[VaCatFan]

Otherwise known as the place you talk to yourself? Plenty of Panther fans post in Panther threads. Usually your Panther post are constant complaints, so much that I'm not sure why you jumped ship from being a Bears fan to a Panthers fan. I didn't want Fox gone. I like him, and I think he is a good coach. I think Richardson is doing the right thing in not extending Fox's contract right now, but I also understand why Fox feels like a lame duck. There is no guarantee that someone like Cowher would do a better job, and the players play hard for Fox. One of the big gripes for some Panther fans on Fox is how he stayed loyal to Jake for too long, but Cowher did the same thing with Kordell Stewart. I think the OC needs to get more creative. He is predictable just like Henning was, although run first teams aren't generally exciting. Still the play calling was questionable many times this past season. I think the DC Meeks did a nice job this year. The D is really starting to come together even with a boatload of them being on IR.Peppers has said he has liked playing in the defense this year. He has played better since his broken hand as healed. It seems like he might want to stay, but unless he signs a contract that is friendly, I think it's time for him to go. He hijacked us last year, and we couldn't sign anyone in the offseason leaving us thin at many positions.Moose has said that he wants to continue to play for the Panthers, and how much he plays is not an issue with him. I think they should resign him (he can be had for cheap), and have him play as a WR 3. His leadership is good for the team. We need to have a new #2 that is quick and will take pressure off Smith. DeAngelo has one year left on his contract. I don't see them trying to trade him away before his contract is up. I hope they give him a new contract. As great as Stewart is, he can't be relied on to carry a full load with that lingering achilles problem. They need to figure out how to get that achilles to heal completely. Plus it's nice having two stud backs.It's hard to really know how soft a schedule is for an upcoming season since some teams improve a lot and some teams take steps backwards. There should definitely be a QB competition for next season. Moore improved each time he got to play, and he might mold into a good starting QB. It will be interesting to see how that position plays out. I think Jake just doesn't have the accuracy anymore to be the starter.

The traffic in last year's Panther thread was about a 1/4 of what it was a year before. Surely we don't have that many bandwagon fans. Some fans are always rah rah, others are realistic and complain when they're being fed crap.Agree with you on the defense. It's definately top heavy with talent and weak on the backend. That said, teams like Pitt seem to make that model work.We'll have to disagree regarding Fox. What are your thoughts on Hurney? Overall I'm very happy the way the recent drafts have turned out. My only complaint (which I'm so good at) is the organization's failure to find a decent second WR.

Fox I'm ok with staying or leaving. The team responded well for him at the end of the year unlike the Giants and Denver. Let him play out the year if he wants to, but I'm ok with not extending him right now and letting him walk. We've never had back to back good years with him as head coach. Some of that is talent and injuries, but a good coaching staff makes sure the backups are prepared to come in and plug some holes. That seems to have been missing at Carolina. Hurney, other than the Delhomme fiasco has done a decent job. He's done pretty well with the draft and had some good late round draft picks pan out for us. The court is still out on trading the first round picks to move up and select Stewart and Brown. Both of those picks look excellent right now, so he get's the nod for now. I think you keep Hurney around. If Fox does leave, who do you bring in? Cowher? He wants to be GM too and we've done fairly well with Hurney and word is he wants about $10M a season. I think you look into a good college coach. Harbaugh of Stanford seems like a good young guy who may be able to spark the team as well as develop the QB which is an area where we have been severely deficient. Maybe bring on Weis as OC over Davidson who seems to be a lot like Henning, but if we go as a defensive team, a run first, run second, run on third and long guy may not be terribad. We've got the two backs to get that kind of offense done.

 

[omally]

The traffic in last year's Panther thread was about a 1/4 of what it was a year before. Surely we don't have that many bandwagon fans. Some fans are always rah rah, others are realistic and complain when they're being fed crap.Agree with you on the defense. It's definately top heavy with talent and weak on the backend. That said, teams like Pitt seem to make that model work.We'll have to disagree regarding Fox. What are your thoughts on Hurney? Overall I'm very happy the way the recent drafts have turned out. My only complaint (which I'm so good at) is the organization's failure to find a decent second WR.

There isn't a lot of Carolina fans on this board. We're a small market and we haven't been around as long as most NFL teams. I'm not on this board every day and I post in the Carolina threads if I see them (they are usually regarding Williams/Stewart or a Delhomme sucks thread).I like Hurney. I think he has a good eye for talent, and the Panthers have drafted well under him. They have had problems with finding a good WR 2. I was surprised at how well Jarrett played against the Saints in the final game, but that was also against a D playing a lot of 2nd and 3rd stringers.

 

[omally]

The court is still out on trading the first round picks to move up and select Stewart and Brown. Both of those picks look excellent right now, so he get's the nod for now.

They didn't move up to get Stewart. They traded away the 2009 1st rounder to get Otah after they already drafted Stewart.

 

[simey]

Agree with you on the defense. It's definately top heavy with talent and weak on the backend. That said, teams like Pitt seem to make that model work.

I was pleasantly surprised with the Panthers D this year. After they became more comfortable in the new system, they played well especially considering all the injuries to several key positions.

 

[BassNBrew]

The traffic in last year's Panther thread was about a 1/4 of what it was a year before. Surely we don't have that many bandwagon fans. Some fans are always rah rah, others are realistic and complain when they're being fed crap.Agree with you on the defense. It's definately top heavy with talent and weak on the backend. That said, teams like Pitt seem to make that model work.We'll have to disagree regarding Fox. What are your thoughts on Hurney? Overall I'm very happy the way the recent drafts have turned out. My only complaint (which I'm so good at) is the organization's failure to find a decent second WR.

There isn't a lot of Carolina fans on this board. We're a small market and we haven't been around as long as most NFL teams. I'm not on this board every day and I post in the Carolina threads if I see them (they are usually regarding Williams/Stewart or a Delhomme sucks thread).I like Hurney. I think he has a good eye for talent, and the Panthers have drafted well under him. They have had problems with finding a good WR 2. I was surprised at how well Jarrett played against the Saints in the final game, but that was also against a D playing a lot of 2nd and 3rd stringers.

Actually there are a lot of Cats fans on this board. Anytime a Charlotte thread gets started in the FFA there are a lot of replies. There's also a good following in the Reliegh area from our fellow boardmates who reap the benefits of our tax dollars.

 

[VaCatFan]

The court is still out on trading the first round picks to move up and select Stewart and Brown. Both of those picks look excellent right now, so he get's the nod for now.

They didn't move up to get Stewart. They traded away the 2009 1st rounder to get Otah after they already drafted Stewart.

Sorry, wrong guy. They moved up a year to get Otah.

 

[VaCatFan]

Agree with you on the defense. It's definately top heavy with talent and weak on the backend. That said, teams like Pitt seem to make that model work.

I was pleasantly surprised with the Panthers D this year. After they became more comfortable in the new system, they played well especially considering all the injuries to several key positions.

That was a big surprise. With the DT's dropping like flies and then losing Tommy Davis and his backup, they really came along well. Chris Harris missed games, Charles Godfrey missed games (although Sherrod Martin filed in nicely there), the DT carousel, Peppers breaking his hand and being limited for a couple of games, Davis down, Johnson down, Diggs missed some time. The backups as they got more snaps under them really started to play well. Everette Brown really turned it on as the season progressed and did better against the run. One of the best pickups was probably Hollis Thomas. When we had a legitimate big man in the middle, the run defense came together. Hopefully they can bring him back with a decent contract and rotate him through with some of the new beef we signed or traded for. Another surprising guy was James Anderson. He came in as the 3rd string OLB behind Davis and Johnson and played pretty well. Would like to have seen more of Dan Conner, but he's Beason's backup. I see the defense next year (no Peppers)DE - Brayton (Solid Player)DT - D. LewisDT - H. ThomasDE - E. BrownSLB - DiggsMLB - BeasonWLB - Davis (I believe he gets extended rather than RFA'd)CB - Marshall (if he's brought back - RFA)CB - GambleSS - C. HarrisFS - Tossup between Godfrey or Martin. Martin seemed to make Godfrey better by pushing him, but Martin played too well not to be in the mix to start.Offense next year assuming no JakeQB - Moore (extended with high incentive contract vs dedicated money)RB- Williams/StewartFB - Hoover if his back holds up (had to love the wildcat 3 yards and a cloud of dust rush for him)WR - SmithWR - TBD - don't think the 2nd WR is on the roster right now, but Jarrett did give you a glimpse as to why he was draftedTE - Your guess is as good as mine. King is the blocker, Rosario is the pass catcher, Barnidge does both, but neither well.RT - OtahRG - Schwartz/BernadeauC - KalilLG - WhartonLT - GrossAs for Jake, he may be a casualty of the uncapped year. No cap, no ramifications for dropping him other than having to cough up the money, but they've got to pay for it anyway.

 

[FavreCo]

If Fox wants to go to somewhere else, like say Cleveland, good luck with that. I think we could get Cowher.

This is so pathetic. Here is old man Richardson with one foot in the grave and he's still too cheap to get Cowher. He has no interest in winning. Just in hoarding cash. He has no one to blame when the continue to flounder.The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports Carolina Panthers HC John Fox is "very interested" in the possibility of becoming the next Browns head coach, according to a league source. Panthers owner Jerry Richardson would be willing to arrive at a contract settlement to get out of the $6 million owed Fox for the 2010 season. Richardson, seeing a potential owners' lockout in 2011, would not replace Fox with HC Bill Cowher, but might promote from within.

 

[VaCatFan]

If Fox wants to go to somewhere else, like say Cleveland, good luck with that. I think we could get Cowher.

This is so pathetic. Here is old man Richardson with one foot in the grave and he's still too cheap to get Cowher. He has no interest in winning. Just in hoarding cash. He has no one to blame when the continue to flounder.The Cleveland Plain Dealer reports Carolina Panthers HC John Fox is "very interested" in the possibility of becoming the next Browns head coach, according to a league source. Panthers owner Jerry Richardson would be willing to arrive at a contract settlement to get out of the $6 million owed Fox for the 2010 season. Richardson, seeing a potential owners' lockout in 2011, would not replace Fox with HC Bill Cowher, but might promote from within.

Is he worth the reported $10M a year? Granted, he has a superbowl victory, but I'm not sure he's worth that much more than Fox. Add to that, Cowher wants GM as well. I don't think Richardson wants to get rid of Hurney as he's done a decent job minus the extension he gave to Delhomme.

 

[simey]

The Special Teams coach (Crossman) was let go today which is a good thing. ST has struggled the last few years.

 

[BassNBrew]

Not going to take the time to look it up, but not many teams played three of the four championship teams this year. Heck, with the Cowboys and Cards we caught 6 of the 8 playing this last weekend.

 

[IHEARTFF]

would like to hear more about your guys' thoughts on M Moore & D Jarrett and their role next year+

 

[BassNBrew]

would like to hear more about your guys' thoughts on M Moore & D Jarrett and their role next year+

Happenned to be a ####'s Sporting Goods today. The Jarrett and Delhomme jerseys were on clearance and the rack was full of them. That pretty much sums up my thoughts too.

 

[simey]

Panthers are releasing a lot of players so far:

Julius Peppers DE

Jake Delhomme QB

Maake Kemoeatu DT

Damione Lewis DT

Landon Johnson LB

Na'il Diggs LB

 

[BassNBrew]

By Charles Chandlercchandler@charlotteobserver.comPosted: Friday, Mar. 05, 20108/4/09 Carolina Panthers (99) defensive tackle Maake Kemoeatu is driven from the practice fields Tuesday afternoon following the team's practice at Wofford College in Spartanburg, SC. Kemoeatu tore his right achilles tendon Monday during drills. JEFF SINER - jsiner@charlotteobserver.comBuy Photo | StoreAfter deciding to cut quarterback Jake Delhomme and defensive tackle Damione Lewis earlier Thursday, the Panthers also said farewell to defensive tackle Maake Kemoeatu in the evening. Kemoeatu's agent, Ken Vierra, said early Friday that he was informed around 8 p.m. Thursday that the team had decided to release Kemoeatu, primarly for financial reasons.Vierra said Kemoeatu was scheduled to receive a roster bonus of around $1.7 million on March 15 and would have earned a base salary of $2.6 million in 2010.Kemoeatu has been rehabilitating his torn Achilles tendon, which was surgically repaired last summer and needed followup surgeries to address complications that arose after the original operation.Vierra said Kemoeatu would continue to rehabilitate in Charlotte as he looks to continue his NFL career elsewhere. Vierra said he expected Kemoeatu to be ready for training camp next summer.Kemoeatu's injury occurred within the first 30 minutes of the Panthers' opening training camp last year, ending his season and beginning the team's season-long attempt to fill defensive tackle vacancies created by injuries.Though Kemoeatu wasn't healed yet, Vierra said he thinks the Panthers' decision to release Kemoeatu was most financialy driven and in keeping with what teams around the league are doing in the new uncapped season -- releasing higher priced veterans to save money."It’s what I believe you’re seeing around the league," said Vierra. "Owners are taking the opportunity to save tens and twenties of millions of dollars in 2010."With Kemoeatu and Lewis, experienced veteran starters, cut in the same day, the Panthers now have an extremely young group of defensive tackles, including restricted free agents Louis Leonard and Tank Tyler, recent signee Ed Johnson, 2009 third-round draft pick Corvey Irvin and Nick Hayden.

Talk about black friday.

 

[Dave Larkin]

Yeah, certainly a pretty crazy day for the organisation. It's clear that we are trying to get younger and these veterans are being made to pay for it. I have faith that Fox and Hurney know what they are doing, and I can see us adding a couple of free agents once the initial flurry of signings slows down.

 

[BassNBrew]

Any thoughts on who we'll draft today?

Probably a trade down so we don't have to pay 2nd round salary numbers.

 

[BassNBrew]

Well no day one pick this year. Day two brought Clausen, LaFell, and Edwards. Well the fans have been asking for a QB and WR for couple of years and got that and then some with these three. To me it looks like the 2010 season has be written off by the Cats.

Clausen - The Panthers actually tried to trade up to get Clausen so him falling to them in the mid second was a huge gift. I would have been fine with rolling the dice with Moore, but a top flight QB is needed in today's NFL so it's not a horrible pick. The Cats now have two guys who could assume that roll and the competition will do them both good.

LaFell - Gosh I hope this isn't Colbert/Jarrett part three. Lafell doesn't have great speed but can't be slower than Moose. I guess time will tell on this pick.

Edwards - Many will say he's a reach. Giving up a 2011 seems borerline insane. Edwards will find a way onto the field. He was timed at 4.41 at his pro-day. Between Stewart/Williams/Smith/Edwards the Panthers can be quite difficult for defenses to defend against...do the Cats have any coaches with enough imagination to used all this talent. The Panthers have to move up if they wanted him. It wasn't a secret that he spent time in Charlotte in the last couple of month's with the Panthers.

This doesn't seem like a John fox type of draft. Wonder who's calling the shots here?

 

[simey]

This doesn't seem like a John fox type of draft. Wonder who's calling the shots here?

I think it does seem like a Fox/Hurney draft. They like to take risk, and that is what they are doing as usual. I think they can address their defensive needs today and also post draft. They did a nice job during the season last year in signing guys to fill in the holes of all the defensive guys that went down.I like their Clausen pick. They needed another QB to compete with Matt. I think Matt will be the starter, and it is nice to have another young possible franchise QB on the roster that can learn under Matt. Another QB was a need, and Clausen fell to them in the mid-second (so they don't have to pay him 1st round money), so I think it was a good pick.They needed a WR so they picked LaFell, so hopefully he will turn out to be a good WR. Some are up in arms about the cats giving away next years 2nd for Armanti Edwards, but he could turn out to be a gem. I think there is a good possibility he wouldn't have been around for them for their pick in the 4th, and as you said it's no secret that he spent a lot of time in Charlotte with the Panthers recently (and both Fox and Hurney love him), so the risk hopefully will be worth it. Hurney said they will have a year to train him in various positions, and they think he will be a great football player in the NFL. He is very athletic and multi-dimensional, so I look forward to seeing what they do with him on the field. The Panthers also can always do something after next season to get a second round pick back, and who knows if there will be a 2011 season.

 

[benson_will_lead_the_way]

Wildcat with Edwards at QB and Deangelo/Jstew???

 

[Dave Larkin]

I am pleased with what we have done with our draft so far. Day 3 should be very interesting. These picks are very important for us. Today I would like to see us add:

A pass-rushing DE

LB depth

An underrated CB (if Marshall leaves next season)

A couple more WRs, and a returner amongst them

 

[pantherclub]

Did Matt Moore get arrested for a double homicide and I missed it?

 

[omally]

Did Matt Moore get arrested for a double homicide and I missed it?

What's with all your high drama the last two days over the Panthers drafting a QB or two to backup Matt Moore? Matt signed a one year tender with the Panthers, and he will get the chance to be "the" QB. They want Matt to do well and so do I, but they need a backup besides Hunter Caldwell. Clausen dropped right in their laps, and he is in a great position to learn under Matt. He should give Matt some competition too which is a good thing. Pike they got in the late 6th, and he could end up to be a good NFL QB and/or good trade bait. Having Moore, Clausen, and Pike is not the bad thing that you're making it out to be. You act like they stabbed Moore in the heart.

 

[BassNBrew]

Sounds like Chris Harris is history. Wow this upcoming season is going to be a trainwreck.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id...eaving-panthers

 

[meanjoegreen]

Sounds like Chris Harris is history. Wow this upcoming season is going to be a trainwreck.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id...eaving-panthers

Why will this season be a trainwreck? Is it because the Panthers continue to build a young team? I think the Panthers had a good draft, and are looking at both now and the future. I think Chris Harris was traded for LB Jamar Williams, and that isn't a bad trade for either team.

 

[VaCatFan]

Sounds like Chris Harris is history. Wow this upcoming season is going to be a trainwreck.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id...eaving-panthers

Why will this season be a trainwreck? Is it because the Panthers continue to build a young team? I think the Panthers had a good draft, and are looking at both now and the future. I think Chris Harris was traded for LB Jamar Williams, and that isn't a bad trade for either team.

Based on what I'm reading, we traded our starting SS for a backup WLB. I highly doubt that Williams beats out Thomas Davis for starting WLB.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Sounds like Chris Harris is history. Wow this upcoming season is going to be a trainwreck.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id...eaving-panthers

Why will this season be a trainwreck? Is it because the Panthers continue to build a young team? I think the Panthers had a good draft, and are looking at both now and the future. I think Chris Harris was traded for LB Jamar Williams, and that isn't a bad trade for either team.

Based on what I'm reading, we traded our starting SS for a backup WLB. I highly doubt that Williams beats out Thomas Davis for starting WLB.

Harris was rumored to be one of the March casualties (Delhomme, Hoover, etc), but it didn't happen at that time. Martin and Godfrey will start at safety. They also have Francisco and now Pugh for depth, and they saved $$.

 

[VaCatFan]

Sounds like Chris Harris is history. Wow this upcoming season is going to be a trainwreck.

http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcsouth/post/_/id...eaving-panthers

Why will this season be a trainwreck? Is it because the Panthers continue to build a young team? I think the Panthers had a good draft, and are looking at both now and the future. I think Chris Harris was traded for LB Jamar Williams, and that isn't a bad trade for either team.

Based on what I'm reading, we traded our starting SS for a backup WLB. I highly doubt that Williams beats out Thomas Davis for starting WLB.

Harris was rumored to be one of the March casualties (Delhomme, Hoover, etc), but it didn't happen at that time. Martin and Godfrey will start at safety. They also have Francisco and now Pugh for depth, and they saved $$.

They saved $900k on a year where there is no salary cap. I'm all for Martin playing FS as I thought he was better than Godfrey anyway, but I don't see Godfrey as a SS. And even with that, we still got a backup WLB for our starting SS (someone who was a team leader and one of the defensive leaders who I don't see Godfrey or Martin taking over for in that role.).

 

[pantherclub]

Did Matt Moore get arrested for a double homicide and I missed it?

What's with all your high drama the last two days over the Panthers drafting a QB or two to backup Matt Moore? Matt signed a one year tender with the Panthers, and he will get the chance to be "the" QB. They want Matt to do well and so do I, but they need a backup besides Hunter Caldwell. Clausen dropped right in their laps, and he is in a great position to learn under Matt. He should give Matt some competition too which is a good thing. Pike they got in the late 6th, and he could end up to be a good NFL QB and/or good trade bait. Having Moore, Clausen, and Pike is not the bad thing that you're making it out to be. You act like they stabbed Moore in the heart.

As I have said in numerous threads, I dont have a problem with the strategy of what they are doing, its just their reasoning. Simply put the Panthers are trying to get cheap in a hurry, just looking at the cuts and the departure of Peppers and now the trade of Harris. They are going cheap. They are covering themselves with Matt Moore by claiming they have a good back up In Classuen or Pike. The Panthers are not going to be willing to offer Matt Moore big time money if/when he leads the Panthers to the playoffs. The Chris Harris trade made no sense because we have a lot of Lb's, no Dlineman and now only about 3 safety's on the roster that can play. I think the Panthers are in a total lets wait 2 years mode and that is sad because I think they have talent to win their division. The shelf life of the running back pair is incredibly short, whether it be to injury, trade or free agency. 2 lights out rb's on the same team with an above average line just dont come around often.

 

[BassNBrew]

Some quick thoughts after last nite's game

1. Start any fantasy def playing the Cats this year. The Panthers are a turnover machine. The special teams looks attrocious.

2. Moore looks to have the inside edge at the WR2 spot.

3. The biggest question mark this year, the D line, has been playing great. Hardy could be a steal in IDP dynasty leagues. Brown has been quite the play maker.

 

[pantherclub]

Some quick thoughts after last nite's game1. Start any fantasy def playing the Cats this year. The Panthers are a turnover machine. The special teams looks attrocious.2. Moore looks to have the inside edge at the WR2 spot.3. The biggest question mark this year, the D line, has been playing great. Hardy could be a steal in IDP dynasty leagues. Brown has been quite the play maker.

I still think we get 8 wins easily and 9 or 10 wouldnt surprise me. Our defense is a lot more aggressive for some reason without Peppers. Our special teams can be corrected. I am still in disbelief though that we actually gave up a second round pick for Amanti Edwards when he would have been there in the 7th. He looks as if he has never seen a football before. Moore had 2 great catches last night and missed a deep ball barely that hit him in the hands. Matt Moore is totally in control of this offense and I have a feeling once the line is back to 100%, Steve Smith is lined up and Stewart plays the offense will open up a bit more. Lafell looks like an NFL player. I just have this uneasy feeling that the Panthers will have a good year but yet they still let Fox, Matt Moore and Dwill walk.Plus there is some insane article today on Charlotte.com about how the stadium needs to be upgraded or rebuilt. Keep in mind this was the crown jewel 10 years ago. The city of charlotte will never go for a tax increase for this. The article says that almost 100 million dollars worth of renovations are needed within the next 10 years. Pro sports are rapidly losing my interest if this is the case. The average joe sixpack will not be able to afford to go to more than a game in the future.

 

[laughinboy_2000]

Some quick thoughts after last nite's game1. Start any fantasy def playing the Cats this year. The Panthers are a turnover machine. The special teams looks attrocious.2. Moore looks to have the inside edge at the WR2 spot.3. The biggest question mark this year, the D line, has been playing great. Hardy could be a steal in IDP dynasty leagues. Brown has been quite the play maker.

Thoughts about the Panthers so far... 1. Still can't believe this team is trying to convert a QB to a WR/KR. This plan has failed MISERABLY! And the thought that we traded a second round pick for AE makes me want to puke! Honestly, if we did not invest so much money into AE (i.e trading of a second round pick) I honestly don't think he would make the team.2. I am somewhat encouraged with the defense so far. I honestly didn't think they would be very good at all. They still make a me a bit nervous. They need to stay healthy b/c any injury would be devastating.3. The offense is missing Otah, Smittee and JStew, but once they come back, I think you'll see the offense get in gear.4. Overall, their preseason schedule has been BRUTAL... They have played the possibly the best two teams in the AFC and have honestly held their own losing by an average of 5.5 a game.Looking forward to see what we look like next weekend when the starters will be in much longer. Now, if you can excuse me, I'm still washing my mouth out watching Amani!!

 

[BassNBrew]

Can some one tell me if an NFL team has ever played an entire pre-season without scoring an offensive TD?

Julias who??? Brown and johnson really stepping up. Really like what we've seen from Hardy.

 

[BassNBrew]

4 games and counting with ZERO offensive TDs. Anytime we get near the redzone holding penalties and false starts move us back to midfield.

Edwards looked better last night.

 

[drfeelgood]

The Carolina D has been impressive during preseason.

 

[VaCatFan]

Defense has looked pretty good so far in pre-season. Much better than I expected, especially considering we lost TD with another ACL injury and Peppers to FA.

Offense has been bad, but we've been without Smith, Otah, and Stewart.

I think we're going to be a heavy run team this year and play low scoring defensive minded games. I'm guessing we'll see a bunch of 13-9 type games where the offense just barely gets enough points to win and the defense holds. Passing game will probably be a lot of West Coast short type passes, with maybe 2-3 longer plays mixed in to keep defenses honest.

 

[Hjelle9]

Defense has looked pretty good so far in pre-season. Much better than I expected, especially considering we lost TD with another ACL injury and Peppers to FA. Offense has been bad, but we've been without Smith, Otah, and Stewart. I think we're going to be a heavy run team this year and play low scoring defensive minded games. I'm guessing we'll see a bunch of 13-9 type games where the offense just barely gets enough points to win and the defense holds. Passing game will probably be a lot of West Coast short type passes, with maybe 2-3 longer plays mixed in to keep defenses honest.

I bet the Panthers will not resemble a west coast offense in the least.

 

[FDC]

Despite popular opinion Panthers do run a west coast-ish style that features shorter horizontal pass routes that stretch out DBs to open up opportunities for longer runs and passes. It is one of the reasons why Steve Smith is such a reliable receiving threat and also is partly why Clausen was drafted. Clausen ran a very similar offense in ND and is touted as a very accurate short route thrower.

 

[BassNBrew]

Tony Pike era???

 

[39407]

What a cluster**** this team has turned into, are the Panthers in full blown lock-out mode or something like that? How long till everyone running this dog and pony show is fired?

 

[VaCatFan]

http://blogs.charlotte.com/panthers/2010/1...onsibility.html

Carolina Panthers owner Jerry Richardson took responsibility for the team's poor record, promised to invest the resources necessary to field a winning team again and said he hasn't talked to the media because comments from ownership are a distraction, in a letter to Panthers PSL (Permanent Seat License) holders.

The following is a copy of Richardson's letter:

I know how difficult the season has been for you. As the person ultimately responsible for putting a team on the field, I take full responsibility for our shortfalls. It is agonizing that we have not performed at the level we had planned for and expected.

When the season began, we believed there was every opportunity for success. Many of the players were returning from a team that had finished last year very strong. The motivation for this approach was both performance-based and a commitment to the future. Obviously we have fallen short, but our faith and commitment are still the same.

Going forward, our plan of attack is to build through the draft while retaining our core players. We have one of the youngest teams in the League, and a number of those younger players have shown genuine promise in this otherwise disappointing season. We won't give up on them. We also have a solid nucleus of veterans that we will seek to keep intact.

I want all of you to know that we plan to look at every aspect of our organization. What we do in the future will entirely be geared toward putting the best possible team on the field. I am committed to fielding a winning team, and I'm willing to invest the resources necessary to make it happen.

Allow me to raise another personal issue. Much has been made of my reluctance to address the play of the team in the media. Throughout the history of the franchise, I have rarely done in-season interviews. It's just not my style. In my opinion, comments from ownership during the season are a distraction, and I do not want my comments to interfere in any way with the performance on the field.

This year is further complicated with the uncertainty regarding Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). Let me be clear: A successful CBA is critical in sustaining the competitive balance of the NFL. We're all in this together, and what is good for football is good for the continued success of each and every team. It's important for us to reach an agreement that benefits the fans, players, and teams. I want the players paid fairly, and I want us to play winning and exciting football.

I understand that in a season like this, words can sound hollow, but, as PSL Owners, you have my commitment to provide you a team that will make you proud. With three NFC championship game appearances, we have come close. I can assure you we will be aggressive in getting there again.

Thank you for your patience and support in a very challenging time.

Respectfully,

Jerry Richardson