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I'm not going to get very far through the bye weeks unless some starting RBs get hurt. I'm not the one to root for an injury though. Still surprised Best hasn't been hurt yet. And now Tate seems to be fading as well.

 
Welcome back to the lineup, Chris Wells. With THT fading, you're contributions will be much relied upon (with McFadden and Felix Jones as my 1-2).

With 203.6 this week (and done), I'm averaging 196 pts/week. Getting nice contributions from my large and cheap WR stable (D. Moore, A. Brown, and Jordy Nelson are great values).

Only Brady and Graham have counted all 4 weeks for me now.

Not contributing at all are: Stafford (see: Brady), Mario Manningham (biggest regret thus far), Andre Roberts, Jordan Shipley, Lance Kendricks, Jay Feely, and Cardinals.

 
Anyone that may be looking at your team via the ffltools site will notice it's off for the next hour or so. I've identified some scoring errors and I am re-running the previous weeks to adjust for the stat correction. I've also adjusted for the three teams that have McCluster as a RB so the scores are accurate.(these teams are listed here http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=601473&st=999)

At this point I think that I have all the scoring errors figured out and it should be smooth sailing from here.

 
I was averaging 195.48/week before this week. Whole team was just blah this week (26 players).

It's killing me having to rely on Marion Barber's 7.7 as my RB2 and a Defense score of 6. while no one broke 25.

 
Not feeling the love this week. 125 with TB Def (-5) and Mike Williams (-9.8). First three weeks were 177, 187, 163. Probably an early exit observer this year.

 
ffltools live scoring for this has been updated. A couple new features.

- Stats are working better now, I seem to be inline with what FBG is scoring. Before, I was seeing stat differences and I've adjusted that.

- Changed it to update every 5 minutes, based on previous weeks, the server should be able to handle that no problem.

- Updated the owned percentage to reflect only live teams

- Added some text to show the current cutoff and when that script was run. This is on the "team" page and runs at 8 and midnight on Sunday's and 2 on Monday.

Updated the cutline also, it looks like the current cutoff is 140.9 with the game tonight to go still. This is accurate and does not include any staff members.

That being said, my 128 wont cut it this week... Couldn't get over some key injuries this week. Good luck everyone.

Finally, if you like the software and are using it weekly, please consider donating. I'm a one man shop and it takes a lot of hours to build something like this to be easily used by others, since I am not going to be winning it this year, figured I'd throw it out there ;) . Thanks to those that have donated and I'm glad you all like the site.

 
Eliminated last week with 137.45. I am at 206.15 with Mike Williams left to go tonight. I thought I had a decent team, so I'm going to continue to track to see how far I'd have gotten had I not had one terrible, terrible week (although, if everyone got a mulligan . . .).

This is a great thread, so I'm going to continue to follow it and the strategy discussion.

 
ffltools live scoring for this has been updated. A couple new features.- Stats are working better now, I seem to be inline with what FBG is scoring. Before, I was seeing stat differences and I've adjusted that.- Changed it to update every 5 minutes, based on previous weeks, the server should be able to handle that no problem.- Updated the owned percentage to reflect only live teams- Added some text to show the current cutoff and when that script was run. This is on the "team" page and runs at 8 and midnight on Sunday's and 2 on Monday.Updated the cutline also, it looks like the current cutoff is 140.9 with the game tonight to go still. This is accurate and does not include any staff members.That being said, my 128 wont cut it this week... Couldn't get over some key injuries this week. Good luck everyone.Finally, if you like the software and are using it weekly, please consider donating. I'm a one man shop and it takes a lot of hours to build something like this to be easily used by others, since I am not going to be winning it this year, figured I'd throw it out there ;) . Thanks to those that have donated and I'm glad you all like the site.
Great job as always OC!
 
On a side note, looks like 663 teams have Andre Johnson... if they are 18-19 player teams... that could hurt em, especially with the beginning of the bye weeks.

 
ffltools live scoring for this has been updated. A couple new features.- Stats are working better now, I seem to be inline with what FBG is scoring. Before, I was seeing stat differences and I've adjusted that.- Changed it to update every 5 minutes, based on previous weeks, the server should be able to handle that no problem.- Updated the owned percentage to reflect only live teams- Added some text to show the current cutoff and when that script was run. This is on the "team" page and runs at 8 and midnight on Sunday's and 2 on Monday.Updated the cutline also, it looks like the current cutoff is 140.9 with the game tonight to go still. This is accurate and does not include any staff members.That being said, my 128 wont cut it this week... Couldn't get over some key injuries this week. Good luck everyone.Finally, if you like the software and are using it weekly, please consider donating. I'm a one man shop and it takes a lot of hours to build something like this to be easily used by others, since I am not going to be winning it this year, figured I'd throw it out there ;) . Thanks to those that have donated and I'm glad you all like the site.
how do we donate?
 
ffltools live scoring for this has been updated. A couple new features.- Stats are working better now, I seem to be inline with what FBG is scoring. Before, I was seeing stat differences and I've adjusted that.- Changed it to update every 5 minutes, based on previous weeks, the server should be able to handle that no problem.- Updated the owned percentage to reflect only live teams- Added some text to show the current cutoff and when that script was run. This is on the "team" page and runs at 8 and midnight on Sunday's and 2 on Monday.Updated the cutline also, it looks like the current cutoff is 140.9 with the game tonight to go still. This is accurate and does not include any staff members.That being said, my 128 wont cut it this week... Couldn't get over some key injuries this week. Good luck everyone.Finally, if you like the software and are using it weekly, please consider donating. I'm a one man shop and it takes a lot of hours to build something like this to be easily used by others, since I am not going to be winning it this year, figured I'd throw it out there ;) . Thanks to those that have donated and I'm glad you all like the site.
how do we donate?
There is a donate button at the bottom of the page.
 
I'm in the clubhouse w/ 164.05... sweatin' a bit.

If I make the cut, got a solid team for bye week #5, but may need a minor miracle to survive week 6. :(

 
Hmmm... over 1000 teams with Blount. That'll shift the line a little bit. Probably looking at 141-142 now.

 
:pickle: Got through :)

Usage so far (all but 5 of my 27 have been used at least once):

QB - Brady 3, Hasselbeck 1, McCoy 0

RB - ADP 2, Benson 2, Hightower 2, P Thomas 1, I Redman 1, M Barber 0

WR - S Moss 4 (only guy used every week), D Moore 3, V Jax 2, Plax 2, N Burleson 1, Ant Brown 1, J Cribbs 1, L Evans 0

TE - O Daniels 2, A Hernandez 2, F Davis 2, E Moore 0

PK - M Nugent 3, S Suisham 1, J Feely 0

D - Buffalo 2, Dallas 1, Arizona 1

On to week 5! :boxing: :scared:

-QG

 
Size Total Alive Surv%18 3568 2276 63.8%19 1393 952 68.3%20 1059 729 68.8%21 836 577 69.0%22 766 553 72.2%23 641 444 69.3%24 547 399 72.9%25 396 283 71.5%26 415 283 68.2%27 296 194 65.5%28 269 188 69.9%29 214 153 71.5%30 375 239 63.7%
If the playoffs had been held in weeks 2-4, these would be the top five finishers:

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I was averaging 195.48/week before this week. Whole team was just blah this week (26 players). It's killing me having to rely on Marion Barber's 7.7 as my RB2 and a Defense score of 6. while no one broke 25.
##### ####### ##################!!!!!Cut by .8 points with a 141.3. My earliest exit from the contest in 4 years. Scored 201, 192, 192 and then this disaster. No big games from anyone and a freaking 6 is the best I could get from my 3 defenses. All I needed was 1 more PAT or one more catch by anyone. My RB's did me in and my WR's or Brady didn't bail me out. My TE's did their best with Daniels and Olsen both counting (20.4, 18.5 respectively). Cundiff gave me a 12, but I knew I could be in trouble when both Reggie Bush & Hightower had bad games and then McCoy outscored Brady.
 
Still alive. Everyone on my team has now contributed and only Jennings has counted all 4 weeks. Worried about my RB situation though. Had to rely on Felix as my #2 since every RB on my team not named Chris Wells stunk to high heavens.

 
Matthew Stafford $18 32.25 37.80 30.80 22.90 bye

Kevin Kolb $15 27.35 23.55 18.20 10.95 bye

Ryan Fitzpatrick $13 34.70 32.50 27.85 10.45 bye

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James Starks $16 11.70 13.00 2.90 12.60 bye

Mike Tolbert $15 31.80 12.30 5.80 15.30 bye

Willis McGahee $11 6.00 17.10 12.90 12.30 bye

Kendall Hunter $6 0.40 0.00 10.80 11.00 bye

Deji Karim $3 8.70 3.00 3.30 0.60 bye

Ben Tate $3 17.60 15.50 9.50 2.00 bye

Derrick Ward $3 9.90 0.00 0.00 0.00 bye

Taiwan Jones $2 0.00 0.40 0.80 0.00 bye

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Vincent Jackson $25 5.10 39.20 11.40 19.80 bye

Dez Bryant $21 16.10 0.00 10.30 19.20 bye

Mario Manningham $19 8.90 8.60 0.00 2.00 bye

Lance Moore $10 0.00 1.60 23.80 10.00 bye

Jordy Nelson $7 19.70 15.40 7.00 20.10 bye

Jordan Shipley $4 0.90 4.50 0.00 0.00 out? out? bye out? out? out? out? out? out? out? out? out?

David Nelson $4 10.60 24.30 14.40 3.80 bye

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Jimmy Graham $15 17.60 16.90 22.00 34.20 bye

Lance Kendricks $6 3.30 4.10 4.70 9.30 bye

Fred Davis $5 18.00 23.60 3.80 9.40 bye

Evan Moore $2 14.00 9.10 4.90 3.00 bye

Delanie Walker $2 1.40 12.80 2.40 6.50 bye

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Mason Crosby $6 6.00 14.00 10.00 7.00 bye

Billy Cundiff $4 10.00 9.00 15.00 12.00 bye

Jason Hanson $4 9.00 15.00 20.00 14.00 bye

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Dallas Cowboys $4 8.00 8.00 7.00 2.00 bye

Tampa Bay Buccaneers $4 8.00 4.00 10.00 6.00 bye

Houston Texans $3 13.00 6.00 6.00 7.00 bye

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TOTAL 189.10 212.80 166.40 177.40

While I hate spending the money I did on Kolb, I live on.

Wish I allocated more to my rbs.

 
This Entry Is Still Alive

Have used L. McCoy and Massaquoi every week.

Haven't used Hardesty, Ringer, Amendola, Royal, Berrian, Prater, Brown, Seahawks and Broncos.

ETA: Also the first week my flex wasn't a TE.

 
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Size	Total	Alive	Surv%18	3568	2276	63.8%19	1393	952	68.3%20	1059	729	68.8%21	836	577	69.0%22	766	553	72.2%23	641	444	69.3%24	547	399	72.9%25	396	283	71.5%26	415	283	68.2%27	296	194	65.5%28	269	188	69.9%29	214	153	71.5%30	375	239	63.7%
If the playoffs had been held in weeks 2-4, these would be the top five finishers:
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Very surprised that the small rosters are holding their own. The 30 man rosters are taking an absolute beating.
 
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Size	Total	Alive	Surv%18	3568	2276	63.8%19	1393	952	68.3%20	1059	729	68.8%21	836	577	69.0%22	766	553	72.2%23	641	444	69.3%24	547	399	72.9%25	396	283	71.5%26	415	283	68.2%27	296	194	65.5%28	269	188	69.9%29	214	153	71.5%30	375	239	63.7%
Very surprised that the small rosters are holding their own. The 30 man rosters are taking an absolute beating.
I imagine that the next few bye weeks will take their toll on smaller rosters especially ones with injuries like those including Andre Johnson. The bye weeks is where 24+ larger rosters will do better with survival rate.
 
Maybe the reason the smaller rosters are holding together is that there haven't been many low-priced guys that are category killers this year. Be interested to see the correlation between price and performance compared to last year - I bet it's higher this year.

-QG

 
Weekly Avg & St.Dev Data by Roster Size

Roll1 is 3 week average for weeks 1 to 3

Roll2 is 3 week average for weeks 2 to 4

Keep in mind that this is only for teams that are still alive each week

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Team SizeData	Wk 1	Wk 2	Wk 3	Wk4	Roll1	Roll2	>600 (roll1)	(>600 roll2)18	Avg	 165.77  180.32  174.31  173.48  524.93  530.60 3.78%	3.27%	St.Dev	 21.72 	 22.24 	 20.17 	 19.13 	 42.23 	 37.66 	19	Avg	 166.52  180.89  173.20  172.59  523.81  528.45 3.52%	3.28%	St.Dev	 21.00 	 22.52 	 20.53 	 19.28 	 42.12 	 38.87 	20	Avg	 167.74  182.87  172.24  170.95  525.96  528.60 3.71%	2.62%	St.Dev	 20.95 	 21.83 	 19.54 	 17.59 	 41.48 	 36.80 		21	Avg	 168.44  184.45  172.77  170.14  528.78  530.06 4.66%	3.17%	St.Dev	 20.28 	 22.70 	 19.16 	 18.24 	 42.43 	 37.68 		22	Avg	 168.31  183.86  171.14  169.89  526.09  528.70 3.54%	2.94%	St.Dev	 19.36 	 22.80 	 18.36 	 17.35 	 40.91 	 37.72 		23	Avg	 168.20  184.03  170.05  169.58  525.55  526.34 2.83%	1.83%	St.Dev	 19.59 	 22.12 	 17.90 	 16.89 	 39.04 	 35.23 		24	Avg	 169.81  184.20  172.11  171.07  529.10  530.15 3.34%	2.70%	St.Dev	 20.16 	 22.14 	 18.88 	 18.65 	 38.67 	 36.26 		25	Avg	 169.99  183.74  171.31  168.88  528.20  526.25 3.15%	2.52%	St.Dev	 19.17 	 21.98 	 18.56 	 17.65 	 38.61 	 37.69 		26	Avg	 170.50  183.13  170.45  167.88  526.45  523.09 2.03%	0.92%	St.Dev	 17.83 	 20.78 	 17.07 	 15.78 	 35.91 	 32.64 		27	Avg	 170.22  186.02  168.01  166.07  528.25  523.97 1.90%	0.96%	St.Dev	 18.93 	 21.39 	 16.79 	 15.16 	 34.57 	 32.48 		28	Avg	 169.86  180.49  171.18  167.05  525.79  521.39 2.00%	1.33%	St.Dev	 17.56 	 21.42 	 17.19 	 15.50 	 36.12 	 35.46 		29	Avg	 171.67  182.55  166.35  165.70  523.11  517.50 1.40%	0.52%	St.Dev	 17.51 	 21.16 	 16.44 	 14.25 	 35.00 	 32.23 		30	Avg	 171.52  181.65  168.41  165.90  525.19  520.31 1.94%	0.96%	St.Dev	 17.68 	 20.18 	 16.13 	 15.61 	 36.20 	 34.06 	Total Average	 167.67  182.14  172.34  171.04  525.80  528.16 3.40%	2.62%Total StdDev	 20.54 	 22.16 	 19.30 	 18.21 	 40.64 	 37.04
 
Maybe the reason the smaller rosters are holding together is that there haven't been many low-priced guys that are category killers this year. Be interested to see the correlation between price and performance compared to last year - I bet it's higher this year.-QG
I agree I wonder if any of the database guys have any information on which players are the highest fantasy points/$ per position? Though this might be skewed to the super cheap $2 guys.
 
'JamesFFB said:
'QuizGuy66 said:
Maybe the reason the smaller rosters are holding together is that there haven't been many low-priced guys that are category killers this year. Be interested to see the correlation between price and performance compared to last year - I bet it's higher this year.-QG
I agree I wonder if any of the database guys have any information on which players are the highest fantasy points/$ per position? Though this might be skewed to the super cheap $2 guys.
I did this a couple of years ago and it is pretty jacked by lower cost guys. There has to be some sort of factor entered in to show true value instead of straight pts/$.
 
Pardon my language but Holeeeeeeeeeeeeee ####!

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---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Philip Rivers         $24     26.45  30.10  11.10  23.15           bye                                                                       Colt McCoy            $10     22.25  17.55  21.30  24.10    bye                                                                              ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Jamaal Charles        $34     15.00   2.70   0.00   0.00   out?    bye   out?   out?   out?   out?   out?   out?   out?   out?   out?   out? Felix Jones           $23     14.10   3.50  17.00  10.10    bye                                                                              Reggie Bush           $15     19.90   2.60   3.00   7.50    bye                                                                              Jerome Harrison        $5      2.70   0.60   1.60   0.00                                bye                                                  Montario Hardesty      $4      1.80   0.10  10.10   9.60    bye                                                                              Deji Karim             $3      8.70   3.00   3.30   0.60                                bye                                                  Ben Tate               $3     17.60  15.50   9.50   2.00                                              bye                                    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Mike Wallace          $23     18.70  26.60  25.40  11.70                                              bye                                    Steve Johnson         $19     16.60  23.60  23.40   9.80                  bye                                                                Santana Moss          $16     13.60  17.10  12.00  14.90    bye                                                                              Lance Moore           $10      0.00   1.60  23.80  10.00                                              bye                                    Steve Smith            $5      0.00   4.90   4.70   0.00                  bye                                                                Harry Douglas          $4      3.00   3.90   8.50   0.00                         bye                                                         Mohamed Massaquoi      $4     10.70   7.50  10.60  10.60    bye                                                                              Denarius Moore         $3      0.00  28.10  15.70  10.90                         bye                                                         Josh Cribbs            $2      2.00   7.10  13.90  10.00    bye                                                                              ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Owen Daniels          $12      2.70  13.00  21.10  20.40                                              bye                                    Greg Olsen             $9     13.80   4.90  22.20  18.50                                bye                                                  Lance Kendricks        $6      3.30   4.10   4.70   9.30    bye                                                                              ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Shaun Suisham          $3      1.00   6.00  16.00   4.00                                              bye                                    Rian Lindell           $2     12.00   8.00  12.00  10.00                  bye                                                                Jay Feely              $2      4.00   3.00   6.00   9.00           bye                                                                       ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Tampa Bay Buccaneers   $4      8.00   4.00  10.00   6.00                         bye                                                         St. Louis Rams         $3      5.00   5.00   4.00   4.00    bye                                                                              Buffalo Bills          $2      8.00   4.00  14.00  12.00                  bye                                                                ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------TOTAL                        161.65 170.50 194.30 142.20   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00 CUTOFF                         0.00 138.90 142.00 142.10   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00   0.00
 
'JamesFFB said:
'QuizGuy66 said:
Maybe the reason the smaller rosters are holding together is that there haven't been many low-priced guys that are category killers this year. Be interested to see the correlation between price and performance compared to last year - I bet it's higher this year.-QG
I agree I wonder if any of the database guys have any information on which players are the highest fantasy points/$ per position? Though this might be skewed to the super cheap $2 guys.
I did this a couple of years ago and it is pretty jacked by lower cost guys. There has to be some sort of factor entered in to show true value instead of straight pts/$.
Did you use a "points over baseline" idea, or just straight points? A $2 player who scores 4 points each game is going to be less valuable than a $10 player who scores 15 as you can actually use the 15 points.
 
'JamesFFB said:
'QuizGuy66 said:
Maybe the reason the smaller rosters are holding together is that there haven't been many low-priced guys that are category killers this year. Be interested to see the correlation between price and performance compared to last year - I bet it's higher this year.-QG
I agree I wonder if any of the database guys have any information on which players are the highest fantasy points/$ per position? Though this might be skewed to the super cheap $2 guys.
I did this a couple of years ago and it is pretty jacked by lower cost guys. There has to be some sort of factor entered in to show true value instead of straight pts/$.
Yeah, straight points per dollar isn't a good metric. (Mike Nugent is the current leader, fwiw.) I've played around with different utility models in the past but never really settled on anything simple that I liked. To really determine how "valuable" a player has been in this contest you have to weigh the additional points vs the additional cost and what else you could acquire for that cost, cutting across positions, etc. Tom Brady has averaged 38 points a week, for $27. Matt Stafford has averaged 31 points a week, but only cost $18. Is it worth $9 to sacrifice 7 points at the QB position? Cam Newton has averaged more points than Stafford for $4 less, so clearly Stafford hasn't the best buy at QB. Hasselbeck has averaged 25 points per game for $11; guys like Grossman and Henne have only averaged 20 points per week but only cost $8. Is it worth it to take fewer points at QB if it means you free up that much more money for other positions? Etc. etc.
 
My RBs are even worse than I thought they'd be. I've been scoring plenty of points. But I'll need my WRs to continue to carry my team.

Philip Rivers $24 26.45 30.10 11.10 23.15 bye

Colt McCoy $10 22.25 17.55 21.30 24.10 bye

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Felix Jones $23 14.10 3.50 17.00 10.10 bye

Tim Hightower $14 17.20 11.10 16.50 3.30 bye

Pierre Thomas $7 8.80 6.50 4.80 9.90 bye

Thomas Jones $7 0.30 4.00 3.80 3.70 bye

Roy Helu $7 0.20 12.70 4.20 3.50 bye

Cadillac Williams $3 16.50 5.50 8.40 0.00 bye

Marion Barber $3 0.00 0.00 0.00 7.70 bye

Taiwan Jones $2 0.00 0.40 0.80 0.00 bye

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Hakeem Nicks $29 19.20 10.50 5.50 32.20 bye

Vincent Jackson $25 5.10 39.20 11.40 19.80 bye

Santana Moss $16 13.60 17.10 12.00 14.90 bye

Lee Evans $10 0.00 6.50 0.00 0.00 bye

Nate Burleson $8 13.00 16.30 3.20 3.60 bye

Danny Amendola $8 9.50 0.00 0.00 0.00 bye

Steve Breaston $7 4.60 1.70 8.50 13.10 bye

Harry Douglas $4 3.00 3.90 8.50 0.00 bye

Denarius Moore $3 0.00 28.10 15.70 10.90 bye

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Owen Daniels $12 2.70 13.00 21.10 20.40 bye

Aaron Hernandez $10 26.80 22.70 0.00 0.00 out? bye

Fred Davis $5 18.00 23.60 3.80 9.40 bye

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Rob Bironas $3 2.00 18.00 7.00 8.00 bye

David Akers $3 16.00 9.00 10.00 7.00 bye

Olindo Mare $2 3.00 12.00 8.00 13.00 bye

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Houston Texans $3 13.00 6.00 6.00 7.00 bye

Buffalo Bills $2 8.00 4.00 14.00 12.00 bye

 
'JamesFFB said:
'QuizGuy66 said:
Maybe the reason the smaller rosters are holding together is that there haven't been many low-priced guys that are category killers this year. Be interested to see the correlation between price and performance compared to last year - I bet it's higher this year.-QG
I agree I wonder if any of the database guys have any information on which players are the highest fantasy points/$ per position? Though this might be skewed to the super cheap $2 guys.
I did this a couple of years ago and it is pretty jacked by lower cost guys. There has to be some sort of factor entered in to show true value instead of straight pts/$.
Yeah, straight points per dollar isn't a good metric. (Mike Nugent is the current leader, fwiw.) I've played around with different utility models in the past but never really settled on anything simple that I liked. To really determine how "valuable" a player has been in this contest you have to weigh the additional points vs the additional cost and what else you could acquire for that cost, cutting across positions, etc. Tom Brady has averaged 38 points a week, for $27. Matt Stafford has averaged 31 points a week, but only cost $18. Is it worth $9 to sacrifice 7 points at the QB position? Cam Newton has averaged more points than Stafford for $4 less, so clearly Stafford hasn't the best buy at QB. Hasselbeck has averaged 25 points per game for $11; guys like Grossman and Henne have only averaged 20 points per week but only cost $8. Is it worth it to take fewer points at QB if it means you free up that much more money for other positions? Etc. etc.
:goodposting: And even averages are a bad metric because a $2 player scoring 15, 0, 0, is better than a $2 player scoring 5, 5, 5. I don't think it'd be possible to come up with "simple" metric that was also effective.
 
'JamesFFB said:
'QuizGuy66 said:
Maybe the reason the smaller rosters are holding together is that there haven't been many low-priced guys that are category killers this year. Be interested to see the correlation between price and performance compared to last year - I bet it's higher this year.-QG
I agree I wonder if any of the database guys have any information on which players are the highest fantasy points/$ per position? Though this might be skewed to the super cheap $2 guys.
I did this a couple of years ago and it is pretty jacked by lower cost guys. There has to be some sort of factor entered in to show true value instead of straight pts/$.
Yeah, straight points per dollar isn't a good metric. (Mike Nugent is the current leader, fwiw.) I've played around with different utility models in the past but never really settled on anything simple that I liked. To really determine how "valuable" a player has been in this contest you have to weigh the additional points vs the additional cost and what else you could acquire for that cost, cutting across positions, etc. Tom Brady has averaged 38 points a week, for $27. Matt Stafford has averaged 31 points a week, but only cost $18. Is it worth $9 to sacrifice 7 points at the QB position? Cam Newton has averaged more points than Stafford for $4 less, so clearly Stafford hasn't the best buy at QB. Hasselbeck has averaged 25 points per game for $11; guys like Grossman and Henne have only averaged 20 points per week but only cost $8. Is it worth it to take fewer points at QB if it means you free up that much more money for other positions? Etc. etc.
All true, and that doesn't even lead to winning this thing as it cant account for luck. 300 points this week and 100 next week averages nicely but you'd be done in the contest.
 
'JamesFFB said:
'QuizGuy66 said:
Maybe the reason the smaller rosters are holding together is that there haven't been many low-priced guys that are category killers this year. Be interested to see the correlation between price and performance compared to last year - I bet it's higher this year.-QG
I agree I wonder if any of the database guys have any information on which players are the highest fantasy points/$ per position? Though this might be skewed to the super cheap $2 guys.
I did this a couple of years ago and it is pretty jacked by lower cost guys. There has to be some sort of factor entered in to show true value instead of straight pts/$.
Yeah, straight points per dollar isn't a good metric. (Mike Nugent is the current leader, fwiw.) I've played around with different utility models in the past but never really settled on anything simple that I liked. To really determine how "valuable" a player has been in this contest you have to weigh the additional points vs the additional cost and what else you could acquire for that cost, cutting across positions, etc. Tom Brady has averaged 38 points a week, for $27. Matt Stafford has averaged 31 points a week, but only cost $18. Is it worth $9 to sacrifice 7 points at the QB position? Cam Newton has averaged more points than Stafford for $4 less, so clearly Stafford hasn't the best buy at QB. Hasselbeck has averaged 25 points per game for $11; guys like Grossman and Henne have only averaged 20 points per week but only cost $8. Is it worth it to take fewer points at QB if it means you free up that much more money for other positions? Etc. etc.
Good points. Would something like (the number of top 25% in fantasy points at the position finishes per week)/$ be a better metric? For example for Tom Brady. The top 25% of available QBs (0.25*39) is 9.75 round up to 10. I think he has finished in the top 10 of QB each of the first 4 weeks. So 4/$27 = 0.148.There must be away to look at this mathematically... where did I put that old Probability & Statistics book from my college days? :coffee:
 
While I've made the cut quite easily the first 4 weeks, this week will be tough.

With BYEs, I'm counting on RBs like Woodhead, Michael Bush, Ben Tate and Deji Karim to do just a little something. Too bad they are all banged up and probably won't play.

:bye:

 
While I've made the cut quite easily the first 4 weeks, this week will be tough.With BYEs, I'm counting on RBs like Woodhead, Michael Bush, Ben Tate and Deji Karim to do just a little something. Too bad they are all banged up and probably won't play. :bye:
Yea I am rolling with the stellar RB crew of Ingram, Wells, Harrison, Karim, and Powell this week. Hopefully a lot of the smaller roster teams are in bad shape for week 5. Have to hope Ingram gets a TD this week.
 
Good points. Would something like (the number of top 25% in fantasy points at the position finishes per week)/$ be a better metric? For example for Tom Brady. The top 25% of available QBs (0.25*39) is 9.75 round up to 10. I think he has finished in the top 10 of QB each of the first 4 weeks. So 4/$27 = 0.148.There must be away to look at this mathematically... where did I put that old Probability & Statistics book from my college days? :coffee:
The first problem that jumps out to me with this is that the "25%" is an arbitrary number. The 2nd is that indiviual scores are capped at different amounts. Brady's best possible score would be .5926. Let's say Brady finishes top 10 in all 16 games. And McCoy finished top ten in 6 games. His score is .6 which is better than Bradys. Was McCoy really the better selection?
 
Next week is going to hurt me with my WR's. I will have Fitzgerald, V. Jackson and McCluster all on byes. I drafted 8 WR's thinking I would be fine but with those players on byes plus Amendola and Parrish injuries I am left with just Dez Bryant, A. Brown, and D. Moore as my 3 WR's for next week.

Anyways should worry more about this week I have Hillis/Hardesty/Bryant/Amendola/Kendricks/Moore/Pitta/Dawson all on byes. Rolling with McFadden, Harrison, Karim, Tate, Redman, T. Jones as my RB's - McFadden will be alright but will need one of the others to put up a decent game.

 
I purposefully picked RBs with a week 5 bye because a) early byes are better, and b) I figured I'd have Jamaal Charles to pick up the slack.

So this week I'm rolling with Jerome Harrison, Deji Karim, and Ben Tate.

Someone beat that!

 

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