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**Official 2014 MLB Regular Season-All over but the shouting (1 Viewer)

Danny Salazar with the worst 10k performance of all time

More on this... 3.2 IP, 5ER, 10K... BABIP 1.000

 
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Does Amarista play everyday for SD? I like his position eligibility and speed. I dont think I've watched the Padres in like ever. I'm guessing he's a super utility guy..

 
shadyridr said:
Is it just me or are all teams shifting like crazy now? Yanks do it a ton now. And its not just for a few batters, its all batters including righties. Gotta love new age baseball!
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In person, it really is noticeable. Every batter.

I read (think it was Verducci on SI) how this strategy might bring back the oldtime one-dimensional slugger types. The Dave Kingman/Gorman Thomas/Corey Snyder's of the world. Those type of players had fallen out of fashion in recent sabermetric times. 40 HR's did not mitigate 180 K's or a sub .300 OBP. But now, with all these shifts, the only way to defeat them is to hit the ball out of the park.

Mark Trumbo and Pedro Alvarez are current examples of these kind of players.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
shadyridr said:
Is it just me or are all teams shifting like crazy now? Yanks do it a ton now. And its not just for a few batters, its all batters including righties. Gotta love new age baseball!
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In person, it really is noticeable. Every batter.

I read (think it was Verducci on SI) how this strategy might bring back the oldtime one-dimensional slugger types. The Dave Kingman/Gorman Thomas/Corey Snyder's of the world. Those type of players had fallen out of fashion in recent sabermetric times. 40 HR's did not mitigate 180 K's or a sub .300 OBP. But now, with all these shifts, the only way to defeat them is to hit the ball out of the park.

Mark Trumbo and Pedro Alvarez are current examples of these kind of players.
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pretty sure sabermetricians dont care about K's. In their mind an out is an out.
 
The red sox are not a very good team. Rotation doesnt impress me, lineup has alot of holes. That Al east is gonna be a fight all year. Every team has tons of flaws

 
shadyridr said:
Encyclopedia Brown said:
shadyridr said:
Is it just me or are all teams shifting like crazy now? Yanks do it a ton now. And its not just for a few batters, its all batters including righties. Gotta love new age baseball!
Click to expand...
In person, it really is noticeable. Every batter.

I read (think it was Verducci on SI) how this strategy might bring back the oldtime one-dimensional slugger types. The Dave Kingman/Gorman Thomas/Corey Snyder's of the world. Those type of players had fallen out of fashion in recent sabermetric times. 40 HR's did not mitigate 180 K's or a sub .300 OBP. But now, with all these shifts, the only way to defeat them is to hit the ball out of the park.

Mark Trumbo and Pedro Alvarez are current examples of these kind of players.
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pretty sure sabermetricians dont care about K's. In their mind an out is an out.
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Of course they care. A K is an out 100% of the time (except for WP's I guess) and a ball put in play is an out about 70% of the time. The shift has an effect on the latter.

I agree with EB's mainpoint, that the shift probably increases the value of high K bombers a little bit.

General article on the shift, which teams use it, which players it's used on most and how it effects BABIP. Interesting read.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/tht-live/expanded-2013-infield-shift-data/

 
Speaking of the shift, I haven't seen Rizzo and Matt Adams play much this year, but are they sacrificing some power this year to try to "beat" the shift?

Both struggled last year with it. Both are having nice seasons at the plate this year, but only have 1 HR between them.

 
pollardsvision said:
shadyridr said:
Encyclopedia Brown said:
shadyridr said:
Is it just me or are all teams shifting like crazy now? Yanks do it a ton now. And its not just for a few batters, its all batters including righties. Gotta love new age baseball!
Click to expand...
In person, it really is noticeable. Every batter.

I read (think it was Verducci on SI) how this strategy might bring back the oldtime one-dimensional slugger types. The Dave Kingman/Gorman Thomas/Corey Snyder's of the world. Those type of players had fallen out of fashion in recent sabermetric times. 40 HR's did not mitigate 180 K's or a sub .300 OBP. But now, with all these shifts, the only way to defeat them is to hit the ball out of the park.

Mark Trumbo and Pedro Alvarez are current examples of these kind of players.
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pretty sure sabermetricians dont care about K's. In their mind an out is an out.
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Of course they care. A K is an out 100% of the time (except for WP's I guess) and a ball put in play is an out about 70% of the time. The shift has an effect on the latter.

I agree with EB's mainpoint, that the shift probably increases the value of high K bombers a little bit.

General article on the shift, which teams use it, which players it's used on most and how it effects BABIP. Interesting read.

http://www.hardballtimes.com/tht-live/expanded-2013-infield-shift-data/
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Fair enough. I probably meant to say they care less about K's than some old school baseball guys.

 
shadyridr said:
The red sox are not a very good team. Rotation doesnt impress me, lineup has alot of holes. That Al east is gonna be a fight all year. Every team has tons of flaws
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Other than Ellsbury and Drew, isn't this basically the same team as last year? I'm sure they'll end up being fine.

 
Premier said:
shadyridr said:
The red sox are not a very good team. Rotation doesnt impress me, lineup has alot of holes. That Al east is gonna be a fight all year. Every team has tons of flaws
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Other than Ellsbury and Drew, isn't this basically the same team as last year? I'm sure they'll end up being fine.
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Plus, they could be upgraded at 3B at some point.

That would require Cecchini getting the call and adjusting quickly, but I think he will. The dude just hits. And fields well. 2 things the Sox didn't have at 3rd last year.

 
Premier said:
shadyridr said:
The red sox are not a very good team. Rotation doesnt impress me, lineup has alot of holes. That Al east is gonna be a fight all year. Every team has tons of flaws
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Other than Ellsbury and Drew, isn't this basically the same team as last year? I'm sure they'll end up being fine.
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They probably played better last year than they actually were though.

But yes, this is basically the same team. Bogaerts won't be as good defensively as Drew, but he will probably outhit him. The downgrade to from Ellsbury to Sizemore or Bradley is a pretty good one though.

Their pitching staff should be fine though. Not best in the league, but good enough for them to compete for another playoff birth. And they have a stacked farm system and money to spend, so if they feel the need to acquire someone, they have the weapons to do so,

 
the moops said:
Premier said:
shadyridr said:
The red sox are not a very good team. Rotation doesnt impress me, lineup has alot of holes. That Al east is gonna be a fight all year. Every team has tons of flaws
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Other than Ellsbury and Drew, isn't this basically the same team as last year? I'm sure they'll end up being fine.
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They probably played better last year than they actually were though.

But yes, this is basically the same team. Bogaerts won't be as good defensively as Drew, but he will probably outhit him. The downgrade to from Ellsbury to Sizemore or Bradley is a pretty good one though.

Their pitching staff should be fine though. Not best in the league, but good enough for them to compete for another playoff birth. And they have a stacked farm system and money to spend, so if they feel the need to acquire someone, they have the weapons to do so,
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Yeah and in no way was I saying they wouldnt be competitive. I just dont think they will be the juggernaut they were last year. Part of that is they were better last year than they were on paper like you said. Another part is the loss of Ellsbury & Drew and essentially replacing them with young (albeit good) players. Another part is the injuries they have already sustained. And we cannot forget about the dropoff Buchholz has had. He was a stud for them last year when healthy. He is not the same pitcher.

 
I dont really care about Pineda and the substance, whatever it was, but I am surprised the word didn't make it down to the Sox dugout during the game. It was all over twitter by like the 4th inning. If nothing else, it would possibly rattle a guy who was cruising at that point

 
the moops said:
I dont really care about Pineda and the substance, whatever it was, but I am surprised the word didn't make it down to the Sox dugout during the game. It was all over twitter by like the 4th inning. If nothing else, it would possibly rattle a guy who was cruising at that point
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It probably did, but since Buchholz always pitches with a substance in his hair they didn't do anything about it.

 
Yeah, I think in most cases, unless a pitcher sets a jar of Vaseline down next to the rosin bag, the opposing dugout isn't going to say anything.

 
http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2014/04/10/josh-zeid-mum-on-apparent-use-of-spray-before-pitching-on-wednesday/

Astros reliever Josh Zeid and pitching coach Brent Strom had no comment Thursday on Zeid’s apparent use of a spray on his forearms immediately before entering Wednesday night’s game.

The Blue Jays’ telecast of the Blue Jays’ 7-3 win over the Astros displayed a shot of Zeid just before he left the bullpen at Rogers Centre as he was leaning over and applying what appeared to be a spray to his forearms.

This subject led to controversy last season for Red Sox pitcher Clay Buchholz in May last season, coincidentally also in a game against the Blue Jays at Rogers Centre. Buchholz denied he did anything wrong after a foreign substance was spotted on his left forearm.

In an even greater coincidence, the matter drew a lot of attention late Thursday, when the Yankees’ Michael Pineda was spotted with something on his hand in a start against the Red Sox.

A veteran Red Sox pitcher came to Pineda’s defense — and really, all pitchers’ defense — according to the Star-Ledger.

“All of us,” Capuano said, “especially when it’s cold early in the season, all of us use something.”

Speaking generally and not specifically to Zeid, a major league source echoed that sentiment Thursday, saying it is not uncommon for pitchers to use some sort of substance — be it sunscreen and rosin, or another tacky substance — to enhance grip and only grip on the baseball. Foreign substances outside of rosin are not permitted for pitchers because of the possibility they could impact the flight of the ball and add more movement.

But grip-enhancers are not used with the intent of adding movement to the ball. The rules do not technically permit them, but within major league clubhouses, they’re not viewed as anything to make a fuss over.
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the moops said:
I dont really care about Pineda and the substance, whatever it was, but I am surprised the word didn't make it down to the Sox dugout during the game. It was all over twitter by like the 4th inning. If nothing else, it would possibly rattle a guy who was cruising at that point
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Farrell said word got down to the dugout in the 4th and when Pineda came back out in the 5th the substance was gone so he didnt do anything at that point.

 
rodg12 said:
the moops said:
I dont really care about Pineda and the substance, whatever it was, but I am surprised the word didn't make it down to the Sox dugout during the game. It was all over twitter by like the 4th inning. If nothing else, it would possibly rattle a guy who was cruising at that point
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It probably did, but since Buchholz always pitches with a substance in his hair they didn't do anything about it.
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Grilli has his soul glow all over his hair and hat, Motte has stuff on his hat, Benoit has stuff in his glove, etc, etc, etc. This has been going on since 1901 at least, it is an accepted part of the game for the most part. You start getting into accusing the other guy, well that's a slippery slope so to speak.

 
shadyridr said:
the moops said:
I dont really care about Pineda and the substance, whatever it was, but I am surprised the word didn't make it down to the Sox dugout during the game. It was all over twitter by like the 4th inning. If nothing else, it would possibly rattle a guy who was cruising at that point
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Farrell said word got down to the dugout in the 4th and when Pineda came back out in the 5th the substance was gone so he didnt do anything at that point.
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It was pretty funny how that went down. The posts started going up on Twitter around the 3rd inning. By the fifth the stuff was off palm but was clearly on his wrist and he was going to it before every pitch. One of the long tenured Denver beat writers said it's basically accepted throughout the game, even by hitters, and no team wants to call it out since they pretty much all have guys doing it. But he did say it's generally only done in colder weather, which I don't think was the case last night.

 
pollardsvision said:
Speaking of the shift, I haven't seen Rizzo and Matt Adams play much this year, but are they sacrificing some power this year to try to "beat" the shift?

Both struggled last year with it. Both are having nice seasons at the plate this year, but only have 1 HR between them.
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Have seen Adams 6 games against the Reds and I would say he's doing it exactly right. He's not going too far out of his way to tap the ball to the left side, but he's obviously letting the ball get deep and going the other way as much as possible.

The other thing is the Reds have no idea what they're doing yet. Dusty hated shifts and Price is trying to do them. The pitchers have no clue what they're doing and still pumping pitches on the outside corner that teams are poking past the infield. They're either going to have to scrap the shift or start pitching accordingly in my amateur opinion.

 
Last inning:

P Sandoval singled to right. P Sandoval to second on wild pitch by J De La Rosa. M Morse walked.H Sanchez flied out to center, P Sandoval to third. B Belt struck out swinging. B Hicks hit by pitch, M Morse to second. B Crawford walked, P Sandoval scored, M Morse to third, B Hicks to second. M Bumgarner homered to left, M Morse, B Hicks and B Crawford scored.He gave up a granny to the opposing pitcher, after two walks, a wild pitch and a HBP.And Bumgarner came within 2 feet of taking him out the at-bat prior.

 
Nice idiot fan in St. Louis. He jumps onto the field to retrieve a foul-ball, then when he jumps back into the stands and is confronted by security, he tosses the ball back onto the field--as if he were allowed a "do-over".

 
Re: Pineda

All these pitchers seem to lick their fingers like there is ice cream on them. They are most certainly putting some Jolly ranchers in there to get a better grip...or something. I really can't believe anyone is angry or surprised by Pineda. On the Dan Le Batard show they were talking about how outrageous it is that a manager has to call out the pitcher for using illegal substances, not the ump. Why? Because no one wants to get into this quagmire. Many, many, many pitchers use stuff to doctor the ball up. Some like John Axford don't even try to hide it. Who cares? i know I don't. :shrug:

 
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Doctor Detroit said:
Re: Pineda

All these pitchers seem to lick their fingers like there is ice cream on them. They are most certainly putting some Jolly ranchers in there to get a better grip...or something. I really can't believe anyone is angry or surprised by Pineda. On the Dan Le Batard show they were talking about how outrageous it is that a manager has to call out the pitcher for using illegal substances, not the ump. Why? Because no one wants to get into this quagmire. Many, many, many pitchers use stuff to doctor the ball up. Some like John Axford don't even try to hide it. Who cares? i know I don't. :shrug:
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On principle I disagree completely with whatever side LeBatard is on.

 
Ryan Howard can't catch a routine throw at first base, costing his team multiple runs.

But he makes up for it by not hitting!

 
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