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**Official 2014 MLB Regular Season-All over but the shouting (1 Viewer)

Arenado has a 28 game hit streak and with his team down one in the ninth, he takes a walk. Morneau doubles him in to tie it.

Great unselfishness there, not a lot to dislike about this kid.

 
Harold Reynolds having his worst night of his broadcast career. Now he's weighing in on the Puig/Bumgarner verbal exchange after a Puig homer makes it 3-1.

ETA: 2nd worst. Worst was obviously that time he tried to feel up the interns at ESPN.

 
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Brandon Maurer's line from last night:

7.1 IP, 14 Hs, 4 ERs, 0 XBHs, 0 BBs, 0 Ks

Only other time someone has went more than 7IP with >14 Hs and all those zeroes was **** Robertson in 1918.

 
Fly said:
Brandon Maurer's line from last night:

7.1 IP, 14 Hs, 4 ERs, 0 XBHs, 0 BBs, 0 Ks

Only other time someone has went more than 7IP with >14 Hs and all those zeroes was **** Robertson in 1918.
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Reminds me of Jim Bouton's first start with the NYY - allowed. 7 singles and walked 7, won 8-0.

While trying to verify my middle aged memory, came across this great article at SABR:

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/75723b1f

 
BobbyLayne said:
Fly said:
Brandon Maurer's line from last night:

7.1 IP, 14 Hs, 4 ERs, 0 XBHs, 0 BBs, 0 Ks

Only other time someone has went more than 7IP with >14 Hs and all those zeroes was **** Robertson in 1918.
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Reminds me of Jim Bouton's first start with the NYY - allowed. 7 singles and walked 7, won 8-0.

While trying to verify my middle aged memory, came across this great article at SABR:

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/75723b1f
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Great article. Thanks for sharing. I always forget that Bouton created Big League Chew. This quote always gives me the chills: "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."

Here's the box score to that game you mentioned: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA196205062.shtml

 
Fly said:
BobbyLayne said:
Fly said:
Brandon Maurer's line from last night:

7.1 IP, 14 Hs, 4 ERs, 0 XBHs, 0 BBs, 0 Ks

Only other time someone has went more than 7IP with >14 Hs and all those zeroes was **** Robertson in 1918.
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Reminds me of Jim Bouton's first start with the NYY - allowed. 7 singles and walked 7, won 8-0.While trying to verify my middle aged memory, came across this great article at SABR:

http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/75723b1f
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Great article. Thanks for sharing. I always forget that Bouton created Big League Chew. This quote always gives me the chills: "You spend a good piece of your life gripping a baseball and in the end it turns out that it was the other way around all the time."Here's the box score to that game you mentioned: http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA196205062.shtml
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:hifive:

 
He was hit in the leg with a batted ball two starts ago, maybe that has something to do with it. His last start he had food poisoning and was throwing up before the game, so he's had a few issues recently.

 
4 MPH velocity drop between innings last start, thinking leg/illness is wishful thinking

:(

@jeffwzimmerman 15m
Pretty obvious when Fernandez "broke". I am amazed the Marlins let him continue to pitch. http://t.co/aH0adlXgo9
 
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@Ken_Rosenthal: As @injuryexpert said, sprain in Fernandez's elbow means ligament is involved. A strain generally refers to a muscle.

@Ken_Rosenthal: Source says that #Marlins' Fernandez just had second MRI and adds, "This isn't promising."

 
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Limp Ditka said:
Northern Voice said:
Sucks so much (and I don't have him on any fantasy teams)
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This
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Yep, don't own him but love watching him anyway. Hopefully he can avoid the knife, this is just a crazy run of elbow injuries. Also people thinking these guys getting TJ are going to return as good or better than they were before should check the numbers. It's not 100% and a second one (Jarrod Parker) is less than 60%.

 
Hearing Tommy John for Hernandez. Hopefully he can bounce back. One of the few pitchers I really will go out of my way to see.

 
I am bummed as a Fernandez owner but more bummed as a fan.

There is money to be made in figuring out this damn ligament.

Too many max effort pitches?

 
Smack Tripper said:
I am bummed as a Fernandez owner but more bummed as a fan.

There is money to be made in figuring out this damn ligament.

Too many max effort pitches?
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I don't know if anyone else caught the MLB Network round table on this topic over the weekend but it was really interesting.

The general consensus was that the problem is starting in youth baseball. Year round teams and kids throwing off a mound are both problematic. Also too many kids throwing with fatigue.

ETA: Here's part of the show where they interviewed Dr. James Andrews.

 
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Arsenal of Doom said:
Smack Tripper said:
I am bummed as a Fernandez owner but more bummed as a fan.

There is money to be made in figuring out this damn ligament.

Too many max effort pitches?
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I don't know if anyone else caught the MLB Network round table on this topic over the weekend but it was really interesting.

The general consensus was that the problem is starting in youth baseball. Year round teams and kids throwing off a mound are both problematic. Also too many kids throwing with fatigue.

ETA: Here's part of the show where they interviewed Dr. James Andrews.
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I would like to see this but I thnk at the bare minimum Latin players have been year rounders since baseball went south of the border. Not to discount what the good doctor says. I know he was a big proponent of rounded athletes playing other sports.

If doesn't seem to be mechanical, it isn't necessarily managed of mitigated by use but it does seem to plague the hard throwers. That's why I point to max effort stuff.

I mean. It's time to open up everything. This just sucks for baseball. Cappy isn't crazy with the roids. Lots.of this since they got banned (or so it seems). I mean are these guys eating enough protein, omega 3 what have you. I spoke with a body builder years ago that as selling a supplement that consistentee of animal ligament and his research indicate that eating ligaments helped strengthen ours. I thought he was cuckoo but now, who knows

 
Arsenal of Doom said:
I don't know if anyone else caught the MLB Network round table on this topic over the weekend but it was really interesting.

The general consensus was that the problem is starting in youth baseball. Year round teams and kids throwing off a mound are both problematic. Also too many kids throwing with fatigue.

ETA: Here's part of the show where they interviewed Dr. James Andrews.
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I watched it. I found it interesting that the ex-players like Kaat, House and Smoltz think pitchers don't throw enough to build up arm strength, whereas journalists and doctors think the opposite.

Kaat told an anecdote of when he and Tommy John were teammates with the White Sox in the early 70's, and the day after Kaat had thrown a nine inning game he was out throwing BP. John was shocked, as he only did running in between his starts. And Smoltz talked about how hard Leo Mazzone worked him, Maddux and Glavine in between starts.

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Arsenal of Doom said:
I don't know if anyone else caught the MLB Network round table on this topic over the weekend but it was really interesting.

The general consensus was that the problem is starting in youth baseball. Year round teams and kids throwing off a mound are both problematic. Also too many kids throwing with fatigue.

ETA: Here's part of the show where they interviewed Dr. James Andrews.
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I watched it. I found it interesting that the ex-players like Kaat, House and Smoltz think pitchers don't throw enough to build up arm strength, whereas journalists and doctors think the opposite.

Kaat told an anecdote of when he and Tommy John were teammates with the White Sox in the early 70's, and the day after Kaat had thrown a nine inning game he was out throwing BP. John was shocked, as he only did running in between his starts. And Smoltz talked about how hard Leo Mazzone worked him, Maddux and Glavine in between starts.
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its an after the fact thing I guess, but I heard Scherzer said in the SI feature on him that if you make it through 4 big league seasons, you very unlikely to require TJ. For whatever thats worth

 
Encyclopedia Brown said:
Arsenal of Doom said:
I don't know if anyone else caught the MLB Network round table on this topic over the weekend but it was really interesting.

The general consensus was that the problem is starting in youth baseball. Year round teams and kids throwing off a mound are both problematic. Also too many kids throwing with fatigue.

ETA: Here's part of the show where they interviewed Dr. James Andrews.
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I watched it. I found it interesting that the ex-players like Kaat, House and Smoltz think pitchers don't throw enough to build up arm strength, whereas journalists and doctors think the opposite.

Kaat told an anecdote of when he and Tommy John were teammates with the White Sox in the early 70's, and the day after Kaat had thrown a nine inning game he was out throwing BP. John was shocked, as he only did running in between his starts. And Smoltz talked about how hard Leo Mazzone worked him, Maddux and Glavine in between starts.
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And Smoltz never needed TJ, so this clearly worked for him... :mellow:

 
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pitching is an inherently unnatural action, bottom line; however, I have never heard that doing something LESS helps you build stamina or tolerance. weightlift to get stronger, running distances to build stamina, etc. my thoughts are, throw throw throw. doing something max effort maybe 35 times a calendar year isn't going to build strength.

 
Chemical X said:
pitching is an inherently unnatural action, bottom line; however, I have never heard that doing something LESS helps you build stamina or tolerance. weightlift to get stronger, running distances to build stamina, etc. my thoughts are, throw throw throw. doing something max effort maybe 35 times a calendar year isn't going to build strength.
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I wonder if there's ever going to be a major leaguer who uses Mike Marshall's unorthodox mechanics. I can't imagine many old school scouts going for it. Guys with unique mechanics have always had an uphill battle.

I also think Marshall's theories are going to appeal more to older prospects, possibly those who've already blown out their arm using a normal approach. It would be unusual for a young prospect to come up through the amateur ranks with such an unusual looking delivery. It's kind of a paradox now. Are his theories unsuccessful because top talents don't follow them, or are they destined to fail because they're fundamentally unsound.

 
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