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Official 2015 Cowboys Thread- 4-12. We won the 4th pick! (1 Viewer)

Pro Football Talk reports that Romo’s restructure has created an additional $12.8 million in cap space for the 2015 season. His base salary for next season will be just $1 million, with roughly $16 million being converted to a signing bonus. Romo isn’t taking less money — the Cowboys will simply be in worse shape toward the end of his deal.

Not a fan of this....Isn't this what gets many teams, us included, in cap hell.

 
From everything I've read and heard, they were against touching Romos deal....

They're up to something and we can all see it.
Covering Greg Hardy's salary. His cap number currently is a fraction of what he will actually cost this year. If he avoids suspension completely, that's gonna eat up 9 mill in additional cap space.

 
From everything I've read and heard, they were against touching Romos deal....

They're up to something and we can all see it.
Covering Greg Hardy's salary. His cap number currently is a fraction of what he will actually cost this year. If he avoids suspension completely, that's gonna eat up 9 mill in additional cap space.
I don't think that's it. I don't believe you can sign a guy without having the money available

 
Hardy's deal is interesting.

Because he only played, what--two games last year?--the per game bonuses that Dallas wisely put in his deal only count 2/16th against the cap. It's a weird quirk in the 'likely to be earned' incentives. The Cowboys essentially used his exemption last year as a loophole to give him a big deal, without having to clear the space right off the bat. About 1.5 mill in bonuses count right now, add on his base salary of 750 grand, and 1,3 mill workout bonus, and 'right now' his cap charge is about 3.25 mill.

Every game he plays over the threshold of 2, the team will have to account for the per game bonuses.

 
NLTBE (not likely to be earned) incentives that are actualy met would go towards the 2016 cap from what I understand. That's a discussion in itself but I think if the contract has NLTBE's built into it then you don't have to have that cap space available right now.

 
Article from OTC guy jason:

http://overthecap.com/looking-at-the-greg-hardy-contract-with-the-cowboys/

Defensive end Greg Hardy signed a contract today with the Dallas Cowboys, officially taking the last monster free agent off the market. It is a very unique contract that is designed to protect the team in the event Hardy remains on the exempt list or suspended while offering both salary cap and actual cash protection. So let’s look at the way the contract works.


The base value of Hardy’s contract is $11,311,000 with the potential to max out at $13,111,600. Why such an oddball number? The $13.116 million was Hardy’s salary last year on the franchise tag. Being that he was will last year to sign that contract it was likely an easy to agree to number. The base value is made up of a $750,000 base salary, 1,311,600 workout bonus, and $9.25 million roster bonus that is earned in weekly installments for being on the active 53 man roster.

The roster bonus is the most important part of this contract. Hardy spent all but the first two games of the season on the exempt list, so for salary cap purposes the NFL will only consider 2/16 of Hardy’s roster bonus against the salary cap, a charge of just $1.5 million. This fully protects the Cowboys interests while the NFL decides what to do with Hardy during the season.Because it is tied into being on the 53 man roster any injury, PUP, NFI, exempt, or suspension designation will prevent Hardy from earning the money. Had the money been in the base salary it would be more protected from the injured or PUP lists. That is likely the tradeoff for the Cowboys taking a risk on signing a player who is a PR problem for the NFL right now.

The odd workout bonus is really what should be considered the signing bonus of the contract. This is the same amount that Hardy received from Carolina last season as a salary advance, so again an easy negotiating point. Once Hardy is reinstated he should be able to participate in offseason workouts since any suspensions won’t take place until the games begin in the regular season. Once Hardy’s earns his workout bonus that money can not be attacked in the event of suspension or any other off the field issues that could trigger an automatic forfeiture of bonus money. It is his to keep provided he shows up for the offseason workout prorgam.

All told I am calcuating his cap charge at just $3,217,850 (It will be about $2.6 million if I am incorrect about his exempt date), which fits him easily under the cap…for now. Yes there is a catch to this contract that we need to consider. When we deal with per game roster bonuses that do not count against the salary cap in the offseason, we have to be prepared for taking those charges on in the regular season.

For each week Hardy is active beyond the two week expectation his cap charge will grow by $578,125. If he plays all 16 games that means he will eventually count for the full $11.311 million against the cap in 2015. Obviously Dallas does not have the room to deal with that at the moment.

I would imagine that this puts Brandon Carr on the chopping block for a June 1 cut designation (or simply to be cut in the summer). Releasing Carr after June 1 creates $8 million in cap room, which would offset this potential charge for Hardy. While I would not expect Dallas to do anythin until the Hardy situation with the league is resolved, they should have all the leverage to approach Carr now about a pay cut if he wants to remain in Dallas. Another option is restructuring Tony Romo’s contract during the season as the need arises for more money.

So it is definitely a creative contract that allows the team to bring in a potential devastating pass rusher now and then come up with a way in a few months to deal with the potential cap charges assoicated with the move.

 
From everything I've read and heard, they were against touching Romos deal....

They're up to something and we can all see it.
Covering Greg Hardy's salary. His cap number currently is a fraction of what he will actually cost this year. If he avoids suspension completely, that's gonna eat up 9 mill in additional cap space.
I don't think that's it. I don't believe you can sign a guy without having the money available
I think the league gives teams a couple of days to get under the cap if a new contract puts them over the cap.
 
Anyone think Dallas is waiting for June1st to get AP? It would be less a cap hit with Carr's 8M available, and keep Romo savings for Hardy and draft picks. AP would have to have a Hardy contract with the incentives baked in. Still doable though.

 
Routilla said:
Anyone think Dallas is waiting for June1st to get AP? It would be less a cap hit with Carr's 8M available, and keep Romo savings for Hardy and draft picks. AP would have to have a Hardy contract with the incentives baked in. Still doable though.
I'm all in unless we have to give up a first.

 
Anyone think Dallas is waiting for June1st to get AP? It would be less a cap hit with Carr's 8M available, and keep Romo savings for Hardy and draft picks. AP would have to have a Hardy contract with the incentives baked in. Still doable though.
A. I don't thnk the Vikes are doing this unless they get compensation in this year's draft. So no on June 1. If this is happening, it'll be later this month.

B. I don't think this deal happens without Carr. It's pretty clear they don't want him anymore (even though I thought he had a good second half of the season). It's not like the Vikes want to pay his salary either, but they have a need at corner, they need to get AP off their team (he's becoming a royal pain in their ### from all vantage points) and they can't just unload AP at his salary number and expect a good pick in return. I expect the Cowboys take a corner in Rd 1 and deal Carr and a 2nd + two picks in 2016 to the Vikings on April 31st for Peterson.

 
It is apparent to me we are drafting a RB in the top 3 rounds. We have had almost all of the Top RB's in for visits and the position is also a Top 3 need position. Now, I have spent the last week watching highlight vids and several carries from real games. Here are my rankings on what I saw. This rankings are my own opinion and how well I think they fit the Cowboys.

Todd Gurley Undisputed top talent and fit. No questions other then coming off of ACL.

Melvin Gordon No back I am more conflicted on. Great moves, home run hitter. Not seeing the tough yards and ran behind a dominant line. Pass blocker?

Tevin Coleman Perfect zone back. I had him much lower before, but the more I watched I liked. 1 major complaint. ALWAYS carries in his left hand.

Jay Ajayi Ideal size. Patient and good vision. Pass pro and catches the ball. Has ball security issues and carries it a bit wildly.

TJ Yeldon Vastly under rated back. Runs down hill. Actually kinda reminds me of Murray.

Duke Johnson Like the college production. Explosive. Seems soft though. Injuries. Pass pro is terrible. Would get Romo killed.

Ameer Abdullah I think he just fumble again...lol. Love everything else.

Round 1- I see no chance of Gurley without trading up. Gordon is a possibility, but I hope we pass and go defense.

Round 2- Coleman or Ajayi are decent value at 60 and I could see it.

Round 3- Yeldon would be a great value for me here. Not sold on Johnson or Abdullah being available here or being a fit.

 
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42 - R2P10
CB BYRON JONES
CONNECTICUT
60 - R2P28
DT MARIO EDWARDS JR.
FLORIDA STATE
91 - R3P27
DE ZA'DARIUS SMITH
KENTUCKY
107 - R4P8
RB TEVIN COLEMAN
INDIANA
109 - R4P10
S DAMARIOUS RANDALL
ARIZONA STATE
127 - R4P28
OT DARYL WILLIAMS
OKLAHOMA
162 - R5P26
WR CHRIS CONLEY
GEORGIA
163 - R5P27
DT XAVIER WILLIAMS
NORTHERN IOWA
168 - R5P32
G SHAQ MASON
GEORGIA TECH
236 - R7P19
DE RAY DREW
GEORGIA
243 - R7P26
RB MALCOLM BROWN
TEXAS
This is my most recent draft on Fanspeak. Yes, it is not real but it's Sunday and I was bored.

I like the Boys to trade back from late 1 to early/mid 2. I think there are a lot of choices for us at DE/DT/CB or RB.

Picking up a few picks, late 3rds, 4th and 5ths. Look at the Harvard chart or Jimmy Johnson chart for fair trades.

I wouldn't be opposed if they traded back the first 3 rounds.

We have so many needs that I think we need to make a move this year to get 2-3 additional players in the mid rounds.

 
I hope not. I prefer moving back to gain a pick. Seems to me the second tier of talent starts around pick 20 and stops somewhere in the middle of the third round. These backs give me an 08 vibe. The tenth back chosen, Charles, was the best. Rice and Forte better than elite graded talents McFadden and Stewart. Felix Jones a bust taken way too early. Coleman, Duke, Ameer... whoever falls to the third round... he'll do fine behind this OL. Fortunate to have this need this year. It would be foolish to sacrifice defensive contributors for an early RB. I don't expect any rookie to be crowned after this camp battle. Randle, McFadden and Ryan Williams are all going to make a case. Regardless of who is drafted, this is going to be a committee to start the season. Who knows who will emerge. Randle isn't going away. It will be the most interesting camp battle in the nfl to follow. Because that OL.

 
I'm always afraid Jerry will do it. Thought he was going to draft Johnny M last year. Not saying I want them to move up, just concerned about Jerry. I still prefer AP if at all possible. We'd be unstoppable for at least 2 years.

 
At 27 I just want the best available player that doesn't play WR or TE.

I'm only a fan of trading back if another team is willing to give up more then they should on paper to get what they want. No even trade downs just to grab more bodies.

I'm in the minority in that I'm actually optimistic about McFadden. I like his size, speed and his pass pro. I don't like his injury history but suspect playing behind a Raider coached Oline/team may have contributed to a few of his sit downs and low YPC. As far as other backs coming in and having a higher YPC behind the same line, we see that almost every year in Dallas. TheTroy Hambricks of the world always look better when they don't have all the pressure.

With that being said, we need a back. Im not aposed to taking 2 or 3.

 
1. I'm only a fan of trading back if another team is willing to give up more then they should on paper to get what they want. No even trade downs just to grab more bodies.

2. With that being said, we need a back. Im not aposed to taking 2 or 3.

I disagree with #1. I think we would like for a team to give us a lopsided trade but how often does that ever happen in this day and age with all the info out there for teams to evaluate a trade? I think a fair trade to move back out of the first to early or mid second round is a smart move.

For example, Atlanta at #10 in the 2nd, They trade there #2 and #3 picks to move up to our #1. Thats a fair trade based on the charts and gets us a 3rd rounder where there are lots of good bodies. We have a lot of high quality players in the mid 2nd round.

I agree with #2, we need more RB's. I would like us to pass on Gurley or Gordon at 27 and trade them to a RB hungry team. Let them overpay!

I could see us grabbing Abdullah to pair with McFadden. Or DUke Johnson in the same pairing. Similar backs like Yeldon and Coleman in case McFadden doesn't last.

Just my .02 Can't wait until the 30th. :thumbup:
 
BigDave said:
1. I'm only a fan of trading back if another team is willing to give up more then they should on paper to get what they want. No even trade downs just to grab more bodies.
I disagree with #1. I think we would like for a team to give us a lopsided trade but how often does that ever happen in this day and age with all the info out there for teams to evaluate a trade? I think a fair trade to move back out of the first to early or mid second round is a smart move.

For example, Atlanta at #10 in the 2nd, They trade there #2 and #3 picks to move up to our #1. Thats a fair trade based on the charts and gets us a 3rd rounder where there are lots of good bodies. We have a lot of high quality players in the mid 2nd round.
Agree with Dave. That crop from pick 40ish to 80ish is impossible to differentiate. There may be as many legit contributors to come from the 3rd round as the 2nd. It's also not a great draft, so I won't get excited one way or another. But an extra pick from that group of 60 is similar to tossing another chip on the roulette table, doubling the odds of success.

 
BigDave said:
2. With that being said, we need a back. Im not aposed to taking 2 or 3.
I agree with #2, we need more RB's. I would like us to pass on Gurley or Gordon at 27 and trade them to a RB hungry team. Let them overpay!

I could see us grabbing Abdullah to pair with McFadden. Or DUke Johnson in the same pairing. Similar backs like Yeldon and Coleman in case McFadden doesn't last.
I think the devaluation of RBs is prudent so I disagree with this. How many times do we see an RB crush it with a good line later to bust behind a bad one? I'd rather beef up the OL some more than invest in a 1st or 2nd round RB. Gurley looks tremendous but even Peterson doesn't give Minnesota an edge over guys like Forte and Charles compared to the advantage gained by elite line play or even WR play. RBs from the first round to UDFA are the tightest position talent-wise in the game. Look at Justin Forsett last year, 235 carries at 5.4 yards per? That's a 2008 7th rounder. RWilliams and McFadden looked better in college than any of these backs not named Gurley. Randle looked fine when given the chance last year. Dunbar is probably out, but this team has two very interesting options at RB and Randle, who's proven to be competent and comfortable in the offense. I think the loss of Murray is a little misunderstood. He was a better than average back who finally enjoyed good health and was blessed with consistent holes. His patience and decision making are elite, but he failed to break many long ones that faster backs would have taken deep. Williams and McFadden are unknowns, but both have enough juice to do the job as long as they stay healthy. If they settle for Buck Allen and load up with BPAs elsewhere, they will be fine. He may be the closest thing to Murray in the draft.

This team has a glut at RB compared to corner and safety. The loss of Harris should not be understated. He was a great special teamer and they need someone to replace everything he did. Cole and Terrence aren't above replacement value WRs. An injury at WR could be far more damaging than the loss of an RB. This is a nice crop of receivers. They'd be fools to ignore it unless great defensive value falls in their laps repeatedly.

 
Manziel was seen at a Rangers game last night. I don't think this will happen, but.....

IF Stephen Jones really ripped the draft card for Manziel out of JJ's hands last year, and

IF JJ still thinks that Manziel could be a future star for the Cowboys when Romo retires...

....doesn't it make sense for the Cowboys to trade for Manziel right now? Here are the reasons:

1) His value is low. The Cowboys could probably give up a mid to low round pick to get him.

2) There is absolutely no pressure to play him for a couple of years. This is different from last year, when he would have been a first round pick. The Cowboys can have him on the bench for a few years learning

how to be an NFL QB.

Again, I don't think this will happen, because the Cowboys have shown in the last few years that they are not attracted by shiny new things like they once were. But Jerry is still the owner, and if he still has a Manziel-crush.....

 
Manziel was seen at a Rangers game last night. I don't think this will happen, but.....

IF Stephen Jones really ripped the draft card for Manziel out of JJ's hands last year, and

IF JJ still thinks that Manziel could be a future star for the Cowboys when Romo retires...

....doesn't it make sense for the Cowboys to trade for Manziel right now? Here are the reasons:

1) His value is low. The Cowboys could probably give up a mid to low round pick to get him.

2) There is absolutely no pressure to play him for a couple of years. This is different from last year, when he would have been a first round pick. The Cowboys can have him on the bench for a few years learning

how to be an NFL QB.

Again, I don't think this will happen, because the Cowboys have shown in the last few years that they are not attracted by shiny new things like they once were. But Jerry is still the owner, and if he still has a Manziel-crush.....
Dood...no chance.

 
Manziel was seen at a Rangers game last night. I don't think this will happen, but.....

IF Stephen Jones really ripped the draft card for Manziel out of JJ's hands last year, and

IF JJ still thinks that Manziel could be a future star for the Cowboys when Romo retires...

....doesn't it make sense for the Cowboys to trade for Manziel right now? Here are the reasons:

1) His value is low. The Cowboys could probably give up a mid to low round pick to get him.

2) There is absolutely no pressure to play him for a couple of years. This is different from last year, when he would have been a first round pick. The Cowboys can have him on the bench for a few years learning

how to be an NFL QB.

Again, I don't think this will happen, because the Cowboys have shown in the last few years that they are not attracted by shiny new things like they once were. But Jerry is still the owner, and if he still has a Manziel-crush.....
Oh come on !1

 
Manziel was seen at a Rangers game last night. I don't think this will happen, but.....

IF Stephen Jones really ripped the draft card for Manziel out of JJ's hands last year, and

IF JJ still thinks that Manziel could be a future star for the Cowboys when Romo retires...

....doesn't it make sense for the Cowboys to trade for Manziel right now? Here are the reasons:

1) His value is low. The Cowboys could probably give up a mid to low round pick to get him.

2) There is absolutely no pressure to play him for a couple of years. This is different from last year, when he would have been a first round pick. The Cowboys can have him on the bench for a few years learning

how to be an NFL QB.

Again, I don't think this will happen, because the Cowboys have shown in the last few years that they are not attracted by shiny new things like they once were. But Jerry is still the owner, and if he still has a Manziel-crush.....
Dood...no chance.
Of course not. I am just bored.

 
Manziel was seen at a Rangers game last night. I don't think this will happen, but.....

IF Stephen Jones really ripped the draft card for Manziel out of JJ's hands last year, and

IF JJ still thinks that Manziel could be a future star for the Cowboys when Romo retires...

....doesn't it make sense for the Cowboys to trade for Manziel right now? Here are the reasons:

1) His value is low. The Cowboys could probably give up a mid to low round pick to get him.

2) There is absolutely no pressure to play him for a couple of years. This is different from last year, when he would have been a first round pick. The Cowboys can have him on the bench for a few years learning

how to be an NFL QB.

Again, I don't think this will happen, because the Cowboys have shown in the last few years that they are not attracted by shiny new things like they once were. But Jerry is still the owner, and if he still has a Manziel-crush.....
Dood...no chance.
Of course not. I am just bored.
I feel ya. Bored too, dying for some real NFL news.

I could see Dallas taking someone really late in the draft. Mannion maybe.

 
I am hearing Dallas hosting Philly on SNF to start the year.

I also have a Tim Tebow observation in why Philly picking him up makes total sense.

Chip love Ducks and Tebow throws ducks.

 
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I am hearing Dallas hosting Philly on SNF to start the year.

I also have a Tim Tebow observation in why Philly picking him up makes total sense.

Chip love Ducks and Tebow throws ducks.
Pro Football Talk is saying the Cowboys are hosting the Giants on Sunday Night Football.

Don't give up your day job to pursue the comedian gig.

 
My source is not reliable...and yes...I have no future in comedy :)
One thing Cowboy fans and Eagle fans can agree on. Covering Odell Beckham for the next 10-15 years is not going to be fun. Good luck with that in game 1.
Unless Eli is on his back.
True.

So which dominant Cowboy pass rusher is going to be doing that?
Fair point as Hardy won't be playing. However, it's hardly like the Giants have a scary O-line either. Second year DE Demarcus Lawrence might be poised to make an impact this year. He started to show flashes in the playoffs.

 
My source is not reliable...and yes...I have no future in comedy :)
One thing Cowboy fans and Eagle fans can agree on. Covering Odell Beckham for the next 10-15 years is not going to be fun. Good luck with that in game 1.
Unless Eli is on his back.
True.

So which dominant Cowboy pass rusher is going to be doing that?
Beat them twice with little to no rush last year. Added Hardy, Mincey was solid last year, Lawrence should be better and im sure they'll address DT and DL in the draft.

Besides, you can have the best pass rusher the game has ever seen and still not win a SB.

 
1SUNSEP 13

NEW YORK GIANTS

2SUNSEP 20

@ Eagles

3SUNSEP 27

FALCONS

4SUNOCT 04

@ Saints

5SUNOCT 11

PATRIOTS

7SUNOCT 25

@ Giants

8SUNNOV 01

SEAHAWKS

9SUNNOV 08

EAGLES

10SUNNOV 15

@ Buccaneers

11SUNNOV 22

@ Dolphins

12THUNOV 26

PANTHERS

13MONDEC 07

@ Redskins

14SUNDEC 13

@ Packers

15SATDEC 19

JETS

16SUNDEC 27

@ Bills

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Cowboys fans, tell me a little bit about Cole Beasley. Just added him as my WR6. What are your thoughts? Share any links you might have. Thanks in advance.

 
Cowboys fans, tell me a little bit about Cole Beasley. Just added him as my WR6. What are your thoughts? Share any links you might have. Thanks in advance.
Wes Welker lite. Chain mover on 3rd downs and a couple TDs a year... 4 to 6. A hard to predict start for fantasy purposes.

 
Cowboys fans, tell me a little bit about Cole Beasley. Just added him as my WR6. What are your thoughts? Share any links you might have. Thanks in advance.
He's fun to watch play. Small shifty dude that needs more targets before he's fantasy relevant. I don't see myself flexing Beasley unless Dallas has trouble running the ball next year.

 

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