*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (5 Viewers)

[Insein]

Fan/Not a Fan Ranks for Week of October 26:

Insein - Fan

Dhockster - Not a Fan

Deamon - Fan

Pip's Invitation - Fan

Shahbucks - Not a Fan

GoBirds - Not a Fan

jon007 - Fan

JuniorNB - Not a Fan

Kwai Chang Caine - Fan

Fred_123123151414 - Not a Fan

Bigboy12313141244 - N/A (impartial NFL employee)

Dammit! I'll try harder. I'm ordering a Foles jersey as we speak.

They're cheap

 

[dhockster]

Fan/Not a Fan Ranks for Week of October 26:

Insein - Fan

Dhockster - Not a Fan

Deamon - Fan

Pip's Invitation - Fan

Shahbucks - Not a Fan

GoBirds - Not a Fan

jon007 - Fan

JuniorNB - Not a Fan

Kwai Chang Caine - Fan

Fred_123123151414 - Not a Fan

Bigboy12313141244 - N/A (impartial NFL employee)

Dammit! I'll try harder. I'm ordering a Foles jersey as we speak.

I'll sell you the one I was given for Christmas last year. My wife has terrible timing.

 

[JuniorNB]

I'll trade you my black Asante Samuel #22 jersey.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Fan/Not a Fan Ranks for Week of October 26:

Insein - Fan

Dhockster - Not a Fan

Deamon - Fan

Pip's Invitation - Fan

Shahbucks - Not a Fan

GoBirds - Not a Fan

jon007 - Fan

JuniorNB - Not a Fan

Kwai Chang Caine - Fan

Fred_123123151414 - Not a Fan

Bigboy12313141244 - N/A (impartial NFL employee)

Dammit! I'll try harder. I'm ordering a Foles jersey as we speak.

I wish you better luck in next week's rank.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Also lets go Temple!

Surprised it hasn't been mentioned. Not like anything else was happening this week.

It is exciting, but sadly we will probably get our hopes dashed. Gotta think that the odds on Gameday being in Philadelphia ever were like Infinity to one (though not sure if they ever do anything for Army-Navy).

 

[RealReactions]

Also lets go Temple!

Surprised it hasn't been mentioned. Not like anything else was happening this week.

It is exciting, but sadly we will probably get our hopes dashed. Gotta think that the odds on Gameday being in Philadelphia ever were like Infinity to one (though not sure if they ever do anything for Army-Navy).

IM going to gameday. Try and find waldo as that will be me. Since its halloween everyone is dressing up too.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Foles was a product of Kellys offense. Take him out of it and look how bad he looks. It's a shame because St. Louis has a super bowl caliber defense and Foles is ruining it for them. Such a waste.

Foles looked good in Andy Reid's offense as well. It's hard to judge him as a Ram because he just doesn't see any volume. That's Fisher's style.

 

[GoBirds]

Then we get to RB situation and to everyone that has normal vision--Mathews is clearly the better back than Murray. Look, I like Murray a lot and was stoked to get him. I also understand Mathews' injury history so having two big backs is a smart idea. BUT...we all here Chips philosophy of playing the best guy but how can you not think that Chip the GM has painted the coach into a corner by having to give Murray almost 4-1 touches to justify difference in salary?

Agree, and I just read a piece this this todayJoel Corry says you can thank Ryan Grigson for screwing up the running back position for the Eagles.

If the Colts general manager (and former Eagles director of personnel) didnt ink receiver Andre Johnson to a free-agent deal this offseason, Corry theorizes, perhaps fellow University of Miami product Frank Gore wouldnt have had a change of heart and backed out of his verbal commitment to Philadelphia.

"And then you have Frank Gore and Ryan Mathews and that financially makes more sense because when you have a $3 million second back you can have $4-5 million first back...where you're going to be splitting carries," said Corry, the former agent turned NFL contracts and salary-cap expert for National Football Post and CBS Sports. "When you've got Murray, who is an $8 million per year back, that's a problem."

To Corry's point, Mathews is making $3.67 million annually with the Eagles, while Gore is averaging $4 million in Indianapolis. No harm in splitting carries down the middle with that set-up. And if one happens to significantly out-perform the other along the way, then so be it -- you ride the hot hand.

With Murray, it's a little more complicated.

Through seven games, Murray (88 carries, 307 yards, 3.5 average) has gotten the larger share of the reps despite being outperformed by Mathews (56 attempts, 342 yards, 6.1 avg.). Chip Kelly cited injury in explaining the workload distribution. Mathews hurt his groin on a second-quarter run against the Panthers, he said, and felt it again on his 63-yard touchdown gallop in the third.

"He has been hurt the last two weeks. He was questionable going into the Giants game, and then he got hurt again last night," said Kelly on the difference in carries over the course of the season. That ignores the fact that Murray has lost time to injury as well, sitting out the Jets game because of a hamstring.

Mathews' injury history does need to be considered when constructing an argument on how Kelly and Duce Staley should split the reps. He only appeared in six games last season, and has played the full 16 just once since being selected 12th overall by the Chargers in 2010. Despite being drafted a year after Mathews, Murray has more carries, yards and touchdowns than the Fresno State product. He is a workhorse by nature, and is at his best when he is getting fed regularly.

There are legit football reasons to keep Murray as the primary, but it seems foolish to not factor money into the equation as well. Murray has $21 million guaranteed to Mathews' $5 million. Murray's full base of $7 million in 2016 is guaranteed next season, as is $2 million of his 2017 earnings. It's incumbent upon Kelly and the Eagles to get the former rushing champ going and keep him invested.

"Ideally you're going to play the most productive guy, but when you have a big-money free agent or a high pick, there's motivation to make that thing work, and you're going to give it more time than you would in any other situation because nobody wants to admit or be seen making a huge mistake in a player acquisition," said Corry.

"[Money], yeah, that factors into it. I remember from representing players having too many conversations about guys who are outperforming players who are high picks or who had a lot of money invested in them, and having those guys talk about how everything isn't run by merit."

The idea that the Eagles might be better off with an increased workload for Mathews isn't a new one. Heading into the season, some within the building thought that Mathews would be a more natural scheme fit. So it's not like the coaching staff was caught totally off guard by this development. And yet Murray has continued to be the primary.There are several reasons why, and it seems fair to include money as one of them .

"They've gotta try to make it work," said Corry.

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/10/29/eagles-wake-up-call-with-murray-money-cant-be-ignored/#dtJFHX4IfVAJx7ru.99

BTW this guy has to have been DH's inside contact right?

Miss those days when you could get great info in here.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Man, I'll never understand what Chip see in QBs.

Right, his bradford move that you dissed so hard looks like a disaster. He's looked awful so far.

Tell me about it...

I stick to him not looking awful. He did enough to beat an undefeated team on the road. And you want Sanchez in . You're more foolish then you'll ever admit.

You are not a real Eagles fan if you don't always want a new QB. Good try

 

[Deamon]

Man, I'll never understand what Chip see in QBs.

Right, his bradford move that you dissed so hard looks like a disaster. He's looked awful so far.

Tell me about it...

I stick to him not looking awful. He did enough to beat an undefeated team on the road. And you want Sanchez in . You're more foolish then you'll ever admit.

You are not a real Eagles fan if you don't always want a new QB. Good try

YOU are calling someone ELSE out for not being a fan of the team? Can't even respond to this one, you made yourself look bad enough yourself. That was awesome, thanks for that one

 

[Deamon]

Then we get to RB situation and to everyone that has normal vision--Mathews is clearly the better back than Murray. Look, I like Murray a lot and was stoked to get him. I also understand Mathews' injury history so having two big backs is a smart idea. BUT...we all here Chips philosophy of playing the best guy but how can you not think that Chip the GM has painted the coach into a corner by having to give Murray almost 4-1 touches to justify difference in salary?

Agree, and I just read a piece this this todayJoel Corry says you can thank Ryan Grigson for screwing up the running back position for the Eagles.

If the Colts general manager (and former Eagles director of personnel) didnt ink receiver Andre Johnson to a free-agent deal this offseason, Corry theorizes, perhaps fellow University of Miami product Frank Gore wouldnt have had a change of heart and backed out of his verbal commitment to Philadelphia.

"And then you have Frank Gore and Ryan Mathews and that financially makes more sense because when you have a $3 million second back you can have $4-5 million first back...where you're going to be splitting carries," said Corry, the former agent turned NFL contracts and salary-cap expert for National Football Post and CBS Sports. "When you've got Murray, who is an $8 million per year back, that's a problem."

To Corry's point, Mathews is making $3.67 million annually with the Eagles, while Gore is averaging $4 million in Indianapolis. No harm in splitting carries down the middle with that set-up. And if one happens to significantly out-perform the other along the way, then so be it -- you ride the hot hand.

With Murray, it's a little more complicated.

Through seven games, Murray (88 carries, 307 yards, 3.5 average) has gotten the larger share of the reps despite being outperformed by Mathews (56 attempts, 342 yards, 6.1 avg.). Chip Kelly cited injury in explaining the workload distribution. Mathews hurt his groin on a second-quarter run against the Panthers, he said, and felt it again on his 63-yard touchdown gallop in the third.

"He has been hurt the last two weeks. He was questionable going into the Giants game, and then he got hurt again last night," said Kelly on the difference in carries over the course of the season. That ignores the fact that Murray has lost time to injury as well, sitting out the Jets game because of a hamstring.

Mathews' injury history does need to be considered when constructing an argument on how Kelly and Duce Staley should split the reps. He only appeared in six games last season, and has played the full 16 just once since being selected 12th overall by the Chargers in 2010. Despite being drafted a year after Mathews, Murray has more carries, yards and touchdowns than the Fresno State product. He is a workhorse by nature, and is at his best when he is getting fed regularly.

There are legit football reasons to keep Murray as the primary, but it seems foolish to not factor money into the equation as well. Murray has $21 million guaranteed to Mathews' $5 million. Murray's full base of $7 million in 2016 is guaranteed next season, as is $2 million of his 2017 earnings. It's incumbent upon Kelly and the Eagles to get the former rushing champ going and keep him invested.

"Ideally you're going to play the most productive guy, but when you have a big-money free agent or a high pick, there's motivation to make that thing work, and you're going to give it more time than you would in any other situation because nobody wants to admit or be seen making a huge mistake in a player acquisition," said Corry.

"[Money], yeah, that factors into it. I remember from representing players having too many conversations about guys who are outperforming players who are high picks or who had a lot of money invested in them, and having those guys talk about how everything isn't run by merit."

The idea that the Eagles might be better off with an increased workload for Mathews isn't a new one. Heading into the season, some within the building thought that Mathews would be a more natural scheme fit. So it's not like the coaching staff was caught totally off guard by this development. And yet Murray has continued to be the primary.There are several reasons why, and it seems fair to include money as one of them .

"They've gotta try to make it work," said Corry.

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/10/29/eagles-wake-up-call-with-murray-money-cant-be-ignored/#dtJFHX4IfVAJx7ru.99

BTW this guy has to have been DH's inside contact right?

Miss those days when you could get great info in here.

I think his contact was a scout for us and became a scout for them so I doubt it was Grigson. I think Grigson brought over some scouts when he went over there and one of them was his contact.

 

[Billy Bats]

Also lets go Temple!

Surprised it hasn't been mentioned. Not like anything else was happening this week.

They were setting up college game day at 6th and market, shut down market street. Stage is right in the middle of the street, damn it's big. Going to be awesome, Temple's biggest game, ever?

 

[Insein]

Also lets go Temple!

Surprised it hasn't been mentioned. Not like anything else was happening this week.

They were setting up college game day at 6th and market, shut down market street. Stage is right in the middle of the street, damn it's big. Going to be awesome, Temple's biggest game, ever?

Only thing close I can remember was the Va Tech win in 1999. But that was at Va Tech.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Man, I'll never understand what Chip see in QBs.

Right, his bradford move that you dissed so hard looks like a disaster. He's looked awful so far.

Tell me about it...

I stick to him not looking awful. He did enough to beat an undefeated team on the road. And you want Sanchez in . You're more foolish then you'll ever admit.

You are not a real Eagles fan if you don't always want a new QB. Good try

YOU are calling someone ELSE out for not being a fan of the team? Can't even respond to this one, you made yourself look bad enough yourself. That was awesome, thanks for that one

Stop pretending and call for the backup QB. Prove your fanhood. And hate the coach or the GM.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Then we get to RB situation and to everyone that has normal vision--Mathews is clearly the better back than Murray. Look, I like Murray a lot and was stoked to get him. I also understand Mathews' injury history so having two big backs is a smart idea. BUT...we all here Chips philosophy of playing the best guy but how can you not think that Chip the GM has painted the coach into a corner by having to give Murray almost 4-1 touches to justify difference in salary?

Agree, and I just read a piece this this todayJoel Corry says you can thank Ryan Grigson for screwing up the running back position for the Eagles.

If the Colts general manager (and former Eagles director of personnel) didnt ink receiver Andre Johnson to a free-agent deal this offseason, Corry theorizes, perhaps fellow University of Miami product Frank Gore wouldnt have had a change of heart and backed out of his verbal commitment to Philadelphia.

"And then you have Frank Gore and Ryan Mathews and that financially makes more sense because when you have a $3 million second back you can have $4-5 million first back...where you're going to be splitting carries," said Corry, the former agent turned NFL contracts and salary-cap expert for National Football Post and CBS Sports. "When you've got Murray, who is an $8 million per year back, that's a problem."

To Corry's point, Mathews is making $3.67 million annually with the Eagles, while Gore is averaging $4 million in Indianapolis. No harm in splitting carries down the middle with that set-up. And if one happens to significantly out-perform the other along the way, then so be it -- you ride the hot hand.

With Murray, it's a little more complicated.

Through seven games, Murray (88 carries, 307 yards, 3.5 average) has gotten the larger share of the reps despite being outperformed by Mathews (56 attempts, 342 yards, 6.1 avg.). Chip Kelly cited injury in explaining the workload distribution. Mathews hurt his groin on a second-quarter run against the Panthers, he said, and felt it again on his 63-yard touchdown gallop in the third.

"He has been hurt the last two weeks. He was questionable going into the Giants game, and then he got hurt again last night," said Kelly on the difference in carries over the course of the season. That ignores the fact that Murray has lost time to injury as well, sitting out the Jets game because of a hamstring.

Mathews' injury history does need to be considered when constructing an argument on how Kelly and Duce Staley should split the reps. He only appeared in six games last season, and has played the full 16 just once since being selected 12th overall by the Chargers in 2010. Despite being drafted a year after Mathews, Murray has more carries, yards and touchdowns than the Fresno State product. He is a workhorse by nature, and is at his best when he is getting fed regularly.

There are legit football reasons to keep Murray as the primary, but it seems foolish to not factor money into the equation as well. Murray has $21 million guaranteed to Mathews' $5 million. Murray's full base of $7 million in 2016 is guaranteed next season, as is $2 million of his 2017 earnings. It's incumbent upon Kelly and the Eagles to get the former rushing champ going and keep him invested.

"Ideally you're going to play the most productive guy, but when you have a big-money free agent or a high pick, there's motivation to make that thing work, and you're going to give it more time than you would in any other situation because nobody wants to admit or be seen making a huge mistake in a player acquisition," said Corry.

"[Money], yeah, that factors into it. I remember from representing players having too many conversations about guys who are outperforming players who are high picks or who had a lot of money invested in them, and having those guys talk about how everything isn't run by merit."

The idea that the Eagles might be better off with an increased workload for Mathews isn't a new one. Heading into the season, some within the building thought that Mathews would be a more natural scheme fit. So it's not like the coaching staff was caught totally off guard by this development. And yet Murray has continued to be the primary.There are several reasons why, and it seems fair to include money as one of them .

"They've gotta try to make it work," said Corry.

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/10/29/eagles-wake-up-call-with-murray-money-cant-be-ignored/#dtJFHX4IfVAJx7ru.99

BTW this guy has to have been DH's inside contact right?

Miss those days when you could get great info in here.

I think his contact was a scout for us and became a scout for them so I doubt it was Grigson. I think Grigson brought over some scouts when he went over there and one of them was his contact.

I believe that this is correct, or at least close.

 

[renesauz]

Fan/Not a Fan Ranks for Week of October 26:

Insein - Fan

Dhockster - Not a Fan

Deamon - Fan

Pip's Invitation - Fan

Shahbucks - Not a Fan

GoBirds - Not a Fan

jon007 - Fan

JuniorNB - Not a Fan

Kwai Chang Caine - Fan

Fred_123123151414 - Not a Fan

Bigboy12313141244 - N/A (impartial NFL employee)

Dammit! I'll try harder. I'm ordering a Foles jersey as we speak.

I must not be a fan

 

[GoBirds]

Then we get to RB situation and to everyone that has normal vision--Mathews is clearly the better back than Murray. Look, I like Murray a lot and was stoked to get him. I also understand Mathews' injury history so having two big backs is a smart idea. BUT...we all here Chips philosophy of playing the best guy but how can you not think that Chip the GM has painted the coach into a corner by having to give Murray almost 4-1 touches to justify difference in salary?

Agree, and I just read a piece this this todayJoel Corry says you can thank Ryan Grigson for screwing up the running back position for the Eagles.

If the Colts general manager (and former Eagles director of personnel) didnt ink receiver Andre Johnson to a free-agent deal this offseason, Corry theorizes, perhaps fellow University of Miami product Frank Gore wouldnt have had a change of heart and backed out of his verbal commitment to Philadelphia.

"And then you have Frank Gore and Ryan Mathews and that financially makes more sense because when you have a $3 million second back you can have $4-5 million first back...where you're going to be splitting carries," said Corry, the former agent turned NFL contracts and salary-cap expert for National Football Post and CBS Sports. "When you've got Murray, who is an $8 million per year back, that's a problem."

To Corry's point, Mathews is making $3.67 million annually with the Eagles, while Gore is averaging $4 million in Indianapolis. No harm in splitting carries down the middle with that set-up. And if one happens to significantly out-perform the other along the way, then so be it -- you ride the hot hand.

With Murray, it's a little more complicated.

Through seven games, Murray (88 carries, 307 yards, 3.5 average) has gotten the larger share of the reps despite being outperformed by Mathews (56 attempts, 342 yards, 6.1 avg.). Chip Kelly cited injury in explaining the workload distribution. Mathews hurt his groin on a second-quarter run against the Panthers, he said, and felt it again on his 63-yard touchdown gallop in the third.

"He has been hurt the last two weeks. He was questionable going into the Giants game, and then he got hurt again last night," said Kelly on the difference in carries over the course of the season. That ignores the fact that Murray has lost time to injury as well, sitting out the Jets game because of a hamstring.

Mathews' injury history does need to be considered when constructing an argument on how Kelly and Duce Staley should split the reps. He only appeared in six games last season, and has played the full 16 just once since being selected 12th overall by the Chargers in 2010. Despite being drafted a year after Mathews, Murray has more carries, yards and touchdowns than the Fresno State product. He is a workhorse by nature, and is at his best when he is getting fed regularly.

There are legit football reasons to keep Murray as the primary, but it seems foolish to not factor money into the equation as well. Murray has $21 million guaranteed to Mathews' $5 million. Murray's full base of $7 million in 2016 is guaranteed next season, as is $2 million of his 2017 earnings. It's incumbent upon Kelly and the Eagles to get the former rushing champ going and keep him invested.

"Ideally you're going to play the most productive guy, but when you have a big-money free agent or a high pick, there's motivation to make that thing work, and you're going to give it more time than you would in any other situation because nobody wants to admit or be seen making a huge mistake in a player acquisition," said Corry.

"[Money], yeah, that factors into it. I remember from representing players having too many conversations about guys who are outperforming players who are high picks or who had a lot of money invested in them, and having those guys talk about how everything isn't run by merit."

The idea that the Eagles might be better off with an increased workload for Mathews isn't a new one. Heading into the season, some within the building thought that Mathews would be a more natural scheme fit. So it's not like the coaching staff was caught totally off guard by this development. And yet Murray has continued to be the primary.There are several reasons why, and it seems fair to include money as one of them .

"They've gotta try to make it work," said Corry.

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/10/29/eagles-wake-up-call-with-murray-money-cant-be-ignored/#dtJFHX4IfVAJx7ru.99

BTW this guy has to have been DH's inside contact right?

Miss those days when you could get great info in here.

I think his contact was a scout for us and became a scout for them so I doubt it was Grigson. I think Grigson brought over some scouts when he went over there and one of them was his contact.

I believe that this is correct, or at least close.

That makes sense.....the time frames lined up just right.

 

[Mighty Mice]

Love Dion Lewis at Pitt, was stoked when Andy drafted him in the fifth. Looked good pre-injury for the Iggles, nice to see him staying healthy and realizing the potential. Too bad it's not in Eagles green though...

 

[Insein]

Love Dion Lewis at Pitt, was stoked when Andy drafted him in the fifth. Looked good pre-injury for the Iggles, nice to see him staying healthy and realizing the potential. Too bad it's not in Eagles green though...

Always liked him and if Andy was a bit more creative, he probably could have had a role here. But he was never supplanting Shady barring injury. If he was on the roster when Chip took over, I'd say we would never have got Sproles.

 

[Mighty Mice]

"Marcus Smith played only three snaps, but on one of those, he lost contain and played a big role in allowing the Panthers' longest play of the day (43 yard end-around w/Ginn). After that series, Smith was on the sideline for the rest of the game."

"We should have had contained on the backside," Kelly said. "The ball should never get back outside of us on that side, the side where the ball went away from originally. We got to kind of contain it and force it back to our help and that was where our biggest break down in that play was."

After the bye, we're expected to have Kiko and DeMeco back on the field, along with Kendricks and Hicks. And honestly, Najee Goode has been pretty solid in relief. Given that, I don't see Marcus being active on many gamedays, as he looks like our 6th LB at this point as a complete liability when he sees the field. Bringing in Kiko, resigning 'Meco, drafting Hicks in 3rd, etc show what the organization thinks.

I was willing to give him a 'rookie year pass' and see how he developed, but what a waste of the 26th pick of the 2014 draft.

Is this on Howie? IIRC this was mentioned during the front office shuffle this offseason.

 

[unckeyherb]

Fan/Not a Fan Ranks for Week of October 26:

Insein - Fan

Dhockster - Not a Fan

Deamon - Fan

Pip's Invitation - Fan

Shahbucks - Not a Fan

GoBirds - Not a Fan

jon007 - Fan

JuniorNB - Not a Fan

Kwai Chang Caine - Fan

Fred_123123151414 - Not a Fan

Bigboy12313141244 - N/A (impartial NFL employee)

 

[JuniorNB]

"Marcus Smith played only three snaps, but on one of those, he lost contain and played a big role in allowing the Panthers' longest play of the day (43 yard end-around w/Ginn). After that series, Smith was on the sideline for the rest of the game."

"We should have had contained on the backside," Kelly said. "The ball should never get back outside of us on that side, the side where the ball went away from originally. We got to kind of contain it and force it back to our help and that was where our biggest break down in that play was."

After the bye, we're expected to have Kiko and DeMeco back on the field, along with Kendricks and Hicks. And honestly, Najee Goode has been pretty solid in relief. Given that, I don't see Marcus being active on many gamedays, as he looks like our 6th LB at this point as a complete liability when he sees the field. Bringing in Kiko, resigning 'Meco, drafting Hicks in 3rd, etc show what the organization thinks.

I was willing to give him a 'rookie year pass' and see how he developed, but what a waste of the 26th pick of the 2014 draft.

Is this on Howie? IIRC this was mentioned during the front office shuffle this offseason.

Definitely looks like a major flop. Doubt he'll be on the team next year.

 

[JaxBill]

Also lets go Temple!

Surprised it hasn't been mentioned. Not like anything else was happening this week.

They were setting up college game day at 6th and market, shut down market street. Stage is right in the middle of the street, damn it's big. Going to be awesome, Temple's biggest game, ever?

Only thing close I can remember was the Va Tech win in 1999. But that was at Va Tech.

Garden State Bowl?

 

[Insein]

"Marcus Smith played only three snaps, but on one of those, he lost contain and played a big role in allowing the Panthers' longest play of the day (43 yard end-around w/Ginn). After that series, Smith was on the sideline for the rest of the game."

"We should have had contained on the backside," Kelly said. "The ball should never get back outside of us on that side, the side where the ball went away from originally. We got to kind of contain it and force it back to our help and that was where our biggest break down in that play was."

After the bye, we're expected to have Kiko and DeMeco back on the field, along with Kendricks and Hicks. And honestly, Najee Goode has been pretty solid in relief. Given that, I don't see Marcus being active on many gamedays, as he looks like our 6th LB at this point as a complete liability when he sees the field. Bringing in Kiko, resigning 'Meco, drafting Hicks in 3rd, etc show what the organization thinks.

I was willing to give him a 'rookie year pass' and see how he developed, but what a waste of the 26th pick of the 2014 draft.

Is this on Howie? IIRC this was mentioned during the front office shuffle this offseason.

Chip blamed Howie sayig it was "that side of the office that took him." But there's no way Howie would reach for a guy with a 3rd to 4th round value. He was all about the value.

 

[G-King]

Bringing up a point made on 97.5 and I think it's a good one: watching Ariens coach Arizona they had a really good point. Three guys on that team that are serious playmakers would never be on a Chip Kelly team. John Brown--too small. Christ they took Huff over him. Honey Badger--wrong culture and Chris Johnson who's making peanuts this year and eating Murray's lunch.

This is the part of Chip that scares me the most. Whenever he goes on about football players being like navy seals--give me a break. It's insulting to the military. I get it but seals actually will die for one another for the sake of a mission. It's just not corect to compare athletes (who are in essence entertainers) to actual service people that lose life and limb. Compounding that, you have just under 1700 people on the active rosters of the 32 teams. 1700 out of 7 BILLION gifted enough to play at the nfl level. Do you think that rare of a talent might sometimes have an ego with it? I'm sick of this guy wanting all honor students and Eagle Scouts. If I gotta hear one more time about Jordan Mathews showing up at 7 am to work out on the Juggs machine, I'm gonna vomit. This guy is a #3. Yeah, he brought his notebook to his interviews, he's a great guy and probably steps out of the shower to p!ss. He doesn't cut it as a number one!

This is on Chip the GM and because of it, I'm losing sight of wether Chip the coach is any good.

I strongly disagree with this. For every low character talented player that works out well, there's another that brings a team down. That's not to say you shouldn't research and be SURE that the guy with a sketchy background/history is really a low character guy, but after watching talented hotheads drag one team after another down I can't blame any coach for trying to avoid them. Some short memories here. I still cringe thinking about TO and situps in his driveway

At the time, I was totally against TO. Thought he was just another JO that was too big for his britches. But in hindsight, Banner totally screwed him in that deal with his previous agent. We probably should have adjusted his contract and kept him an Eagle. Could you imagine a happy TO and McNabb combo from 05-10?Hindsight of course but sometimes you have to adjust your coaching style to allow for some leeway.

TO was very rarely happy for long wherever he went, and I don't think he could have ever been happy with Donovan. For whatever reason, he just didn't like him.

According to a teammate that was close to McNabb, he was the most insecure player he had ever played with at any level. Like storm out of the locker room when other great NFL QB performances were discussed level insecurity. McNabb was terribly jealous of the adulation TO received upon arrival and success. The entire stadium was singing the TO song for crying out loud. Any wonder McNabb told him to shut the **** up when he came back to the huddle claiming he was open? Any wonder McNabb endorsed Westbrook when asked about TO absence in the wake of his injury? Great leadership 5. He didn't lead at all. A leader knows the strengths and weaknesses of the men under his charge and gets the best out of them. Was TO a petulant, immature man child? Absolutely. Did he need to be coddled? Most likely. But McNabb's insecurity and jealousy wouldn't allow it. As a fan, I feel robbed of the 05-10 experience you spoke of. 2004 was probably my favorite year as a fan. It was incredible in every way until Roy Williams broke TO's ankle. I find it ironic and sadistically pleasing, now that McNabb is retired and desires HOF adulation, that his induction would likely have been secured had he supported and played with a healthy TO as his career came to a close.

This^

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Fan/Not a Fan Ranks for Week of October 26:

Insein - Fan

Dhockster - Not a Fan

Deamon - Fan

Pip's Invitation - Fan

Shahbucks - Not a Fan

GoBirds - Not a Fan

jon007 - Fan

JuniorNB - Not a Fan

Kwai Chang Caine - Fan

Fred_123123151414 - Not a Fan

Bigboy12313141244 - N/A (impartial NFL employee)

Others receiving consideration: renesauz, Mighty Mice, unckeyherb, Jax Bill, Billy Bats

Tune in next week!

 

[Insein]

I for one welcome our LBL overlords.

 

[unckeyherb]

Fan/Not a Fan Ranks for Week of October 26:

Insein - Fan

Dhockster - Not a Fan

Deamon - Fan

Pip's Invitation - Fan

Shahbucks - Not a Fan

GoBirds - Not a Fan

jon007 - Fan

JuniorNB - Not a Fan

Kwai Chang Caine - Fan

Fred_123123151414 - Not a Fan

Bigboy12313141244 - N/A (impartial NFL employee)

Others receiving consideration: renesauz, Mighty Mice, unckeyherb, Jax Bill, Billy Bats

Tune in next week!

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Then we get to RB situation and to everyone that has normal vision--Mathews is clearly the better back than Murray. Look, I like Murray a lot and was stoked to get him. I also understand Mathews' injury history so having two big backs is a smart idea. BUT...we all here Chips philosophy of playing the best guy but how can you not think that Chip the GM has painted the coach into a corner by having to give Murray almost 4-1 touches to justify difference in salary?

Agree, and I just read a piece this this todayJoel Corry says you can thank Ryan Grigson for screwing up the running back position for the Eagles.

If the Colts general manager (and former Eagles director of personnel) didnt ink receiver Andre Johnson to a free-agent deal this offseason, Corry theorizes, perhaps fellow University of Miami product Frank Gore wouldnt have had a change of heart and backed out of his verbal commitment to Philadelphia.

"And then you have Frank Gore and Ryan Mathews and that financially makes more sense because when you have a $3 million second back you can have $4-5 million first back...where you're going to be splitting carries," said Corry, the former agent turned NFL contracts and salary-cap expert for National Football Post and CBS Sports. "When you've got Murray, who is an $8 million per year back, that's a problem."

To Corry's point, Mathews is making $3.67 million annually with the Eagles, while Gore is averaging $4 million in Indianapolis. No harm in splitting carries down the middle with that set-up. And if one happens to significantly out-perform the other along the way, then so be it -- you ride the hot hand.

With Murray, it's a little more complicated.

Through seven games, Murray (88 carries, 307 yards, 3.5 average) has gotten the larger share of the reps despite being outperformed by Mathews (56 attempts, 342 yards, 6.1 avg.). Chip Kelly cited injury in explaining the workload distribution. Mathews hurt his groin on a second-quarter run against the Panthers, he said, and felt it again on his 63-yard touchdown gallop in the third.

"He has been hurt the last two weeks. He was questionable going into the Giants game, and then he got hurt again last night," said Kelly on the difference in carries over the course of the season. That ignores the fact that Murray has lost time to injury as well, sitting out the Jets game because of a hamstring.

Mathews' injury history does need to be considered when constructing an argument on how Kelly and Duce Staley should split the reps. He only appeared in six games last season, and has played the full 16 just once since being selected 12th overall by the Chargers in 2010. Despite being drafted a year after Mathews, Murray has more carries, yards and touchdowns than the Fresno State product. He is a workhorse by nature, and is at his best when he is getting fed regularly.

There are legit football reasons to keep Murray as the primary, but it seems foolish to not factor money into the equation as well. Murray has $21 million guaranteed to Mathews' $5 million. Murray's full base of $7 million in 2016 is guaranteed next season, as is $2 million of his 2017 earnings. It's incumbent upon Kelly and the Eagles to get the former rushing champ going and keep him invested.

"Ideally you're going to play the most productive guy, but when you have a big-money free agent or a high pick, there's motivation to make that thing work, and you're going to give it more time than you would in any other situation because nobody wants to admit or be seen making a huge mistake in a player acquisition," said Corry.

"[Money], yeah, that factors into it. I remember from representing players having too many conversations about guys who are outperforming players who are high picks or who had a lot of money invested in them, and having those guys talk about how everything isn't run by merit."

The idea that the Eagles might be better off with an increased workload for Mathews isn't a new one. Heading into the season, some within the building thought that Mathews would be a more natural scheme fit. So it's not like the coaching staff was caught totally off guard by this development. And yet Murray has continued to be the primary.There are several reasons why, and it seems fair to include money as one of them .

"They've gotta try to make it work," said Corry.

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/10/29/eagles-wake-up-call-with-murray-money-cant-be-ignored/#dtJFHX4IfVAJx7ru.99

BTW this guy has to have been DH's inside contact right?Miss those days when you could get great info in here.

I think his contact was a scout for us and became a scout for them so I doubt it was Grigson. I think Grigson brought over some scouts when he went over there and one of them was his contact.

I believe that this is correct, or at least close.

That makes sense.....the time frames lined up just right.

I believe I had it figured out at one point. His initials are A.R. if I am correct.

 

[Deamon]

Then we get to RB situation and to everyone that has normal vision--Mathews is clearly the better back than Murray. Look, I like Murray a lot and was stoked to get him. I also understand Mathews' injury history so having two big backs is a smart idea. BUT...we all here Chips philosophy of playing the best guy but how can you not think that Chip the GM has painted the coach into a corner by having to give Murray almost 4-1 touches to justify difference in salary?

Agree, and I just read a piece this this todayJoel Corry says you can thank Ryan Grigson for screwing up the running back position for the Eagles.

If the Colts general manager (and former Eagles director of personnel) didnt ink receiver Andre Johnson to a free-agent deal this offseason, Corry theorizes, perhaps fellow University of Miami product Frank Gore wouldnt have had a change of heart and backed out of his verbal commitment to Philadelphia.

"And then you have Frank Gore and Ryan Mathews and that financially makes more sense because when you have a $3 million second back you can have $4-5 million first back...where you're going to be splitting carries," said Corry, the former agent turned NFL contracts and salary-cap expert for National Football Post and CBS Sports. "When you've got Murray, who is an $8 million per year back, that's a problem."

To Corry's point, Mathews is making $3.67 million annually with the Eagles, while Gore is averaging $4 million in Indianapolis. No harm in splitting carries down the middle with that set-up. And if one happens to significantly out-perform the other along the way, then so be it -- you ride the hot hand.

With Murray, it's a little more complicated.

Through seven games, Murray (88 carries, 307 yards, 3.5 average) has gotten the larger share of the reps despite being outperformed by Mathews (56 attempts, 342 yards, 6.1 avg.). Chip Kelly cited injury in explaining the workload distribution. Mathews hurt his groin on a second-quarter run against the Panthers, he said, and felt it again on his 63-yard touchdown gallop in the third.

"He has been hurt the last two weeks. He was questionable going into the Giants game, and then he got hurt again last night," said Kelly on the difference in carries over the course of the season. That ignores the fact that Murray has lost time to injury as well, sitting out the Jets game because of a hamstring.

Mathews' injury history does need to be considered when constructing an argument on how Kelly and Duce Staley should split the reps. He only appeared in six games last season, and has played the full 16 just once since being selected 12th overall by the Chargers in 2010. Despite being drafted a year after Mathews, Murray has more carries, yards and touchdowns than the Fresno State product. He is a workhorse by nature, and is at his best when he is getting fed regularly.

There are legit football reasons to keep Murray as the primary, but it seems foolish to not factor money into the equation as well. Murray has $21 million guaranteed to Mathews' $5 million. Murray's full base of $7 million in 2016 is guaranteed next season, as is $2 million of his 2017 earnings. It's incumbent upon Kelly and the Eagles to get the former rushing champ going and keep him invested.

"Ideally you're going to play the most productive guy, but when you have a big-money free agent or a high pick, there's motivation to make that thing work, and you're going to give it more time than you would in any other situation because nobody wants to admit or be seen making a huge mistake in a player acquisition," said Corry.

"[Money], yeah, that factors into it. I remember from representing players having too many conversations about guys who are outperforming players who are high picks or who had a lot of money invested in them, and having those guys talk about how everything isn't run by merit."

The idea that the Eagles might be better off with an increased workload for Mathews isn't a new one. Heading into the season, some within the building thought that Mathews would be a more natural scheme fit. So it's not like the coaching staff was caught totally off guard by this development. And yet Murray has continued to be the primary.There are several reasons why, and it seems fair to include money as one of them .

"They've gotta try to make it work," said Corry.

http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2015/10/29/eagles-wake-up-call-with-murray-money-cant-be-ignored/#dtJFHX4IfVAJx7ru.99

BTW this guy has to have been DH's inside contact right?Miss those days when you could get great info in here.

I think his contact was a scout for us and became a scout for them so I doubt it was Grigson. I think Grigson brought over some scouts when he went over there and one of them was his contact.

I believe that this is correct, or at least close.

That makes sense.....the time frames lined up just right.

I believe I had it figured out at one point. His initials are A.R. if I am correct.

how come you edited it from the original saying his name? Did you nail it and DH asked you to take his name down?

Either way I miss the insight.

 

[JuniorNB]

Couldn't ask for a better day for the Eagles. Giants and Cowboys both lose. Whoot

 

[modogg]

Couldn't ask for a better day for the Eagles. Giants and Cowboys both lose. Whoot

if the Eagles can't beat this Cowboys team next week i will be a very, very sad dude

 

[GoBirds]

Couldn't ask for a better day for the Eagles. Giants and Cowboys both lose. Whoot

if the Eagles can't beat this Cowboys team next week i will be a very, very sad dude

Cassel looks awesome.

 

[Deamon]

Couldn't ask for a better day for the Eagles. Giants and Cowboys both lose. Whoot

if the Eagles can't beat this Cowboys team next week i will be a very, very sad dude

Yeah we SHOULD win that game. But those are the games that worry me. Dallas will be fighting for their lives. Still don't think they have enough weapons on offense though, but hopefully we come out of the bye playing well. Very excited for Sunday night.

 

[Deamon]

Any interest in Thomas or Mack? I know our line is playing better, but a couple weeks ago we were in shambles on the oline and hoping there was a way to fix it (even though good Olinemen are almost NEVER available for trade mid season). Seems like an odd situation that both of them are, go get one of them Chip! Would like Thomas... no guaranteed money either on his contract.

 

[Insein]

With OLine, health and cohesion are the two bigger keys. If our guys aren't healthy, sure go get a replacement. But if they're relatively fine, then its better to just leave the group out there. They'll be more used to each other then someone thrown in.

 

[Insein]

Not that it means anything but check out The GB vs Denver game thread to see how many Packer fans are "trashing" their team. It's what fans do.

 

[duaneok66]

I'd like to think that you can be a fan without being hypercritical.

 

[Insein]

I'd like to think that you can be a fan without being hypercritical.

Don't tell that to the 6-0 Packer fans.

 

[Deamon]

I'd like to think that you can be a fan without being hypercritical.

Don't tell that to the 6-0 Packer fans.

I'm watching in that thread. It isn't even CLOSE to the same level. They aren't freaking out about how bad the team is, how they are hopeless, how they've made this mistake or that mistake, saying how awful player X is over and over bitterly. The main negatives in there are along the lines of "wow we are getting killed. Can forget about this one and move on to carolina".

 

[Deamon]

But if somehow spinning that into the attitude you have is comforting for you or justifies it to you, then I guess that's a positive for you.

Anyways, came to talk about some possible Oline moves and how our division did over the bye week... not to hear "other teams' fans suck too". Thanks for the reply on the oline. Still think we might look into grabbing one of them if the cost isn't too high and if we don't improve much. We have zero depth and it's going to be an issue down the road.

 

[Insein]

I'd like to think that you can be a fan without being hypercritical.

Don't tell that to the 6-0 Packer fans.

I'm watching in that thread. It isn't even CLOSE to the same level. They aren't freaking out about how bad the team is, how they are hopeless, how they've made this mistake or that mistake, saying how awful player X is over and over bitterly. The main negatives in there are along the lines of "wow we are getting killed. Can forget about this one and move on to carolina".

Well they are 6-0. But they sound like a 1-5 team if you're following.

 

[Mighty Mice]

As good a bye week as we could expect to have. NFC East is wide open. Would love this team catches fire vs. @DAL, MIA, TB, and @DET and take ownership of the division.

 

[Deamon]

As good a bye week as we could expect to have. NFC East is wide open. Would love this team catches fire vs. @DAL, MIA, TB, and @DET and take ownership of the division.

Ya I thought Dallas and NYG might have had those games. NYG should beat Tampa next week, but we do really have a nice 4 game stretch coming up. Need to win 3 of 4, it gets tough after that.

 

[Insein]

I know its been said pretty much every week excpet last week, but this is a MUST WIN GAME! We absolutely can't lose to Dallas or this will be a miserable March to the end of the year.

 

[need2know]

Great week for us. Could not have gone better. Hard to see us losing to that dallas team but who knows

 

[JuniorNB]

Great week for us. Could not have gone better. Hard to see us losing to that dallas team but who knows

Pressure really rattles Cassell. I hope our defensive line brings their A game. Maxwell on Bryant would terrify me if Romo were playing. Hopefully, the pressure on Cassell will neutralize that matchup some.

 

[Insein]

This is pretty much our season. On paper, we should bury this team. We're coming off a bye, they played a tough home game and lost. They have they're 3rd string QB in and a banged up Dez outside. Their running game is in shambles. Our defense has been playing lights out. Our offense should have been able to take the time off to get things straightened out and come out guns blazing for the 2nd half of the season. Plus out team was embarrassed week 2. This should be a big Revenge game.

Final Score: Eagles 34 Cowboys 12

Do or die. I don't want to even think about what life will be like if we lose this.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I'd like to think that you can be a fan without being hypercritical.

Don't tell that to the 6-0 Packer fans.

I'm watching in that thread. It isn't even CLOSE to the same level. They aren't freaking out about how bad the team is, how they are hopeless, how they've made this mistake or that mistake, saying how awful player X is over and over bitterly. The main negatives in there are along the lines of "wow we are getting killed. Can forget about this one and move on to carolina".

Pick another team

 

[babydemon90]

Any possible trade deadline deals? Wouldn't mind a Vincent Jackson here....