*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)

[JuniorNB]

Bradford back at practice. There's that, I think.

If it means not having to start Sanchez again, I take this as great news. Be happier if they said it was Jordan Hicks though. (yeah, I know he's on IR)

 

[JuniorNB]

Like it or not Bradford will be the best of a crappy bunch this off season. So to keep him they'll have to pony up around $18mil per year. Alex Smith is making $17mil per till 2017. Bradford is getting more than that just for the scarcity. Does Chip really want to double down on a QB he hasn't seen run his offense since the preseason?

Who are you talking about here?

Bradford. He's running some kind of offense out there but its the vanilla form of Chip's fast break offense. Does Chip pony up 2-3 years for $18+mil to see if Bradford can get it down any faster?

I saw more variation in what Sam did the past few weeks than what I saw from Sanchez yesterday. Sanchez just doesn't have the arm (as you saw yesterday) to throw certain routes. A ton of them actuallyIf you just mean the speed of the offense, Sanchez may run the offense faster but I don't think its that big a deal. I believe we were first getting plays off with Sam at QB

It's either 18 million for 2-3 years or what alternative? If its the same as we outlined above you pony the money up.

Not comparing to Sanchez. He's better talent wise than Sanchez. Is he good for this offense or just running some kind of offense that Chip has dumbed down? If Chip has to dumb down his offense for a guy, does he want to commit a larger portion of his dwindling cap space towards him?

I agree that his defense looks different for Bradford than it does for a QB with some running ability. But not sure where the term 'dumb down' comes from. Our offense never looked dumber than it did after the first drive yesterday. To me, dumbing down means eliminating a bunch of plays because they're too complex for the QB to understand. Like when the Cowboys went from Romo to Weeden/Cassell. Bradford can make many throws that Sanchez just can't. If anything, the offense probably should have been dumbed down yesterday.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Like it or not Bradford will be the best of a crappy bunch this off season. So to keep him they'll have to pony up around $18mil per year. Alex Smith is making $17mil per till 2017. Bradford is getting more than that just for the scarcity. Does Chip really want to double down on a QB he hasn't seen run his offense since the preseason?

Who are you talking about here?

Bradford. He's running some kind of offense out there but its the vanilla form of Chip's fast break offense. Does Chip pony up 2-3 years for $18+mil to see if Bradford can get it down any faster?

I saw more variation in what Sam did the past few weeks than what I saw from Sanchez yesterday. Sanchez just doesn't have the arm (as you saw yesterday) to throw certain routes. A ton of them actuallyIf you just mean the speed of the offense, Sanchez may run the offense faster but I don't think its that big a deal. I believe we were first getting plays off with Sam at QB

It's either 18 million for 2-3 years or what alternative? If its the same as we outlined above you pony the money up.

Not comparing to Sanchez. He's better talent wise than Sanchez. Is he good for this offense or just running some kind of offense that Chip has dumbed down? If Chip has to dumb down his offense for a guy, does he want to commit a larger portion of his dwindling cap space towards him?

What Im saying is that the dumbed down offense is the one he runs with Sanchez.

Personally, I think one of Chip's better moves was letting Sam take more time. It allows him to read the defense or get an idea of what they're doing. If anything I think that contributed to him playing better. I don't know how Chip feels though. I suppose it's possible he isn't happy with having to do that but if we win and score that's all that should matter

 

[Mighty Mice]

Surprised to see no one has mentioned the absolutely #### play of ej biggers. Guy is a massive dump in the slot.

100% agree. Been woefully bad. Out of place often and doesn't look for the ball. Face guards. Gets beat on almost every type of route ran against him last 2 weeks.

 

[Insein]

Like it or not Bradford will be the best of a crappy bunch this off season. So to keep him they'll have to pony up around $18mil per year. Alex Smith is making $17mil per till 2017. Bradford is getting more than that just for the scarcity. Does Chip really want to double down on a QB he hasn't seen run his offense since the preseason?

Who are you talking about here?

Bradford. He's running some kind of offense out there but its the vanilla form of Chip's fast break offense. Does Chip pony up 2-3 years for $18+mil to see if Bradford can get it down any faster?

I saw more variation in what Sam did the past few weeks than what I saw from Sanchez yesterday. Sanchez just doesn't have the arm (as you saw yesterday) to throw certain routes. A ton of them actuallyIf you just mean the speed of the offense, Sanchez may run the offense faster but I don't think its that big a deal. I believe we were first getting plays off with Sam at QB

It's either 18 million for 2-3 years or what alternative? If its the same as we outlined above you pony the money up.

Not comparing to Sanchez. He's better talent wise than Sanchez. Is he good for this offense or just running some kind of offense that Chip has dumbed down? If Chip has to dumb down his offense for a guy, does he want to commit a larger portion of his dwindling cap space towards him?

I agree that his defense looks different for Bradford than it does for a QB with some running ability. But not sure where the term 'dumb down' comes from. Our offense never looked dumber than it did after the first drive yesterday. To me, dumbing down means eliminating a bunch of plays because they're too complex for the QB to understand. Like when the Cowboys went from Romo to Weeden/Cassell. Bradford can make many throws that Sanchez just can't. If anything, the offense probably should have been dumbed down yesterday.

You probably are correct. Sanchez has more available to him but it means more to hang himself with.

I don't just mean the running though. I mean the lack of vertical ability too. The less than advertised accuracy and the always forewarned skittish pocket presence of Bradford. Does Chip really look at that and say "I already spent a 2nd rounder and $13mil so what's another $18+mil for a few years so Sam can figure this out."

 

[Insein]

Like it or not Bradford will be the best of a crappy bunch this off season. So to keep him they'll have to pony up around $18mil per year. Alex Smith is making $17mil per till 2017. Bradford is getting more than that just for the scarcity. Does Chip really want to double down on a QB he hasn't seen run his offense since the preseason?

Who are you talking about here?

Bradford. He's running some kind of offense out there but its the vanilla form of Chip's fast break offense. Does Chip pony up 2-3 years for $18+mil to see if Bradford can get it down any faster?

I saw more variation in what Sam did the past few weeks than what I saw from Sanchez yesterday. Sanchez just doesn't have the arm (as you saw yesterday) to throw certain routes. A ton of them actuallyIf you just mean the speed of the offense, Sanchez may run the offense faster but I don't think its that big a deal. I believe we were first getting plays off with Sam at QB

It's either 18 million for 2-3 years or what alternative? If its the same as we outlined above you pony the money up.

Not comparing to Sanchez. He's better talent wise than Sanchez. Is he good for this offense or just running some kind of offense that Chip has dumbed down? If Chip has to dumb down his offense for a guy, does he want to commit a larger portion of his dwindling cap space towards him?

What Im saying is that the dumbed down offense is the one he runs with Sanchez.

Personally, I think one of Chip's better moves was letting Sam take more time. It allows him to read the defense or get an idea of what they're doing. If anything I think that contributed to him playing better. I don't know how Chip feels though. I suppose it's possible he isn't happy with having to do that but if we win and score that's all that should matter

And if Sam comes back and reels off Ws to a div title, certainly. Just don't see that happening is all.

The speed was the gimmick to the offense. Run it fast so defenses don't have time to think. When it goes slow, every defender this year has said how predictable it is.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And if Sam comes back and reels off Ws to a div title, certainly. Just don't see that happening is all.The speed was the gimmick to the offense. Run it fast so defenses don't have time to think. When it goes slow, every defender this year has said how predictable it is.

True, but even than Sam was playing better. IMO there needs to be a middle ground with Chip and the QB's. If we're to believe what was said of him (accurate-good decision maker-smart) he needs some time to diagnose a D IMO

The wins just aren't going to be there this year. Ive come to accept it now. We need, more than anything, someone on offense who can score from 50-60. We don't have any but a team like ARI for example has like 5 of them

 

[JuniorNB]

Like it or not Bradford will be the best of a crappy bunch this off season. So to keep him they'll have to pony up around $18mil per year. Alex Smith is making $17mil per till 2017. Bradford is getting more than that just for the scarcity. Does Chip really want to double down on a QB he hasn't seen run his offense since the preseason?

Who are you talking about here?

Bradford. He's running some kind of offense out there but its the vanilla form of Chip's fast break offense. Does Chip pony up 2-3 years for $18+mil to see if Bradford can get it down any faster?

I saw more variation in what Sam did the past few weeks than what I saw from Sanchez yesterday. Sanchez just doesn't have the arm (as you saw yesterday) to throw certain routes. A ton of them actuallyIf you just mean the speed of the offense, Sanchez may run the offense faster but I don't think its that big a deal. I believe we were first getting plays off with Sam at QB

It's either 18 million for 2-3 years or what alternative? If its the same as we outlined above you pony the money up.

Not comparing to Sanchez. He's better talent wise than Sanchez. Is he good for this offense or just running some kind of offense that Chip has dumbed down? If Chip has to dumb down his offense for a guy, does he want to commit a larger portion of his dwindling cap space towards him?

I agree that his defense looks different for Bradford than it does for a QB with some running ability. But not sure where the term 'dumb down' comes from. Our offense never looked dumber than it did after the first drive yesterday. To me, dumbing down means eliminating a bunch of plays because they're too complex for the QB to understand. Like when the Cowboys went from Romo to Weeden/Cassell. Bradford can make many throws that Sanchez just can't. If anything, the offense probably should have been dumbed down yesterday.

You probably are correct. Sanchez has more available to him but it means more to hang himself with.

I don't just mean the running though. I mean the lack of vertical ability too. The less than advertised accuracy and the always forewarned skittish pocket presence of Bradford. Does Chip really look at that and say "I already spent a 2nd rounder and $13mil so what's another $18+mil for a few years so Sam can figure this out."

I thought we were seeing a more comfortable Bradford in the Carolina, Dallas, and Miami game than we were in the beginning of the season. Much more confident and less happy feet in the pocket. I was still wishing he took more shots downfield though. The injury came at a bad time. He still wasn't playing at an elite level, or even a very good level, but he was eliminating the interceptions and looking much more comfortable running the offense.

As for paying him $18 million...yuck. That will really suck. Unless something really clicks and he takes command of the offense and gives us some optimism for next year. I haven't seen any games this year that makes me think he's worth 18 million.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Surprised to see no one has mentioned the absolutely #### play of ej biggers. Guy is a massive dump in the slot.

100% agree. Been woefully bad. Out of place often and doesn't look for the ball. Face guards. Gets beat on almost every type of route ran against him last 2 weeks.

I guess Rowe really isn't ready. I thought after the game he played well in (I don't remember who it was against) his PT would increase.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And we now have spats on the sideline and teammates questioning Murray's effort. This was the one fear of having a lot of turnover and not winning.

The general idea is that Chip wont be gone this year. If the above grows, the possibility of him leaving or getting the axe will be very, very real.

 

[Insein]

I don't get the Rowe thing. How bad could he possibly be at this point? I feel like Davis holds guys back also. Hicks was fortunate that guys got injured Rowe got in the Wash game and even had a pick in the Jets game but then nothing. Is he that much worse than Biggers?

 

[Insein]

And we now have spats on the sideline and teammates questioning Murray's effort. This was the one fear of having a lot of turnover and not winning.

The general idea is that Chip wont be gone this year. If the above grows, the possibility of him leaving or getting the axe will be very, very real.

Still can't picture Lurie ever firing the guy.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I don't get the Rowe thing. How bad could he possibly be at this point? I feel like Davis holds guys back also. Hicks was fortunate that guys got injured Rowe got in the Wash game and even had a pick in the Jets game but then nothing. Is he that much worse than Biggers?

How long did he run Fletcher out there last year? he was historically bad and stayed in the starting line-up

 

[Bigboy10182000]

And we now have spats on the sideline and teammates questioning Murray's effort. This was the one fear of having a lot of turnover and not winning.

The general idea is that Chip wont be gone this year. If the above grows, the possibility of him leaving or getting the axe will be very, very real.

Still can't picture Lurie ever firing the guy.

We still have 6 games left. If this snowballs we would look like a complete joke by week 17.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Riley Cooper caught his first pass since 10/19/15 yesterday. That is one of our starting WR's.

 

[Insein]

And we now have spats on the sideline and teammates questioning Murray's effort. This was the one fear of having a lot of turnover and not winning.

The general idea is that Chip wont be gone this year. If the above grows, the possibility of him leaving or getting the axe will be very, very real.

Still can't picture Lurie ever firing the guy.

We still have 6 games left. If this snowballs we would look like a complete joke by week 17.

Yes but we still had 7 national games this year and would probably get at least 5 again next year even at 4-12. We're constantly talked about which drives interest and I think that's Lurie's bottom line. Chip is under contract for two more years and I don't think Lurie breaks that contract.

 

[Insein]

Riley Cooper caught his first pass since 10/19/15 yesterday. That is one of our starting WR's.

What makes that worse is that it's not due to injury. He was a starter since July.

 

[unckeyherb]

Riley Cooper caught his first pass since 10/19/15 yesterday. That is one of our starting WR's.

What makes that worse is that it's not due to injury. He was a starter since July.

without doing any research, I'm pretty sure he is far and away our highest paid WR. So that's pretty sweet.

 

[Deamon]

I'm only shocked we got shelled. I didn't think our D was that bad but we were severely out coached today. Billy Davis got his ### handed to him

Demeco Ryans is done. He just can't move.

We just can't consider any game left as winnable. Gets me thinking, I believe we have been favored in every loss this season. Has Vegas ever been this wrong?

The play calling is just so bad and seems so predictable.

It really doesn't matter what qb we have. Our WR's and TE's are just so bad. I know I've said it before but they really are bad. Riley Cooper gets his first catch in what, 5 games? Unreal that he is out there game after game.

Can we please never discuss Sanchez again? Please!

Brandon Graham, what is it that you do exactly?

It just feels like a really high draft pick is on the horizon. Give Bradford a team friendly 2-year deal and draft a guy.

Carolina was definitely favoured to beat us. We have been favoured in 8 of 10 games though. Only the Jets and Carolina were favoured to beat us.

Opening line has us as 1 point favourites on Thursday, so pretty much a pickem.

 

[Deamon]

I can't believe the number of people touting Kaep. Have they seen him the past 2 seasons?

I mean he was benched for Blaine effing Gabbert.

They're better off rolling the dice with some mediocre college QB.

Well, one not named Hackenberg at least.

I'm not touting him. I'm saying that's Chips last hope that he'll jump for.

You make it seem like you'd be okay with that though. You mention Sanchez runs the offense better, Chip may go for Kaep, etc, etc, but then you still say Bradford is our best option. It just seems like a lot of complaining without any better viable option. And if you're asked "what would you do next if you were Chip at QB?", you'll revert back to "I would have NOT traded Foles last year".

I am actually interested in what you would do right NOW with our QB situation going forward into next year though if you could have it your way.

 

[unckeyherb]

Is there any chance that Lurie pushes General Manager Chip (GMC) out and brings in a guy like Polian to redirect this mess? I think I read that he has a consulting company now.

Zero Chance. He let Ray Rhodes have 1998. Kelly is here till his contract is up unless Kelly decides otherwise.

I'm not suggesting that Lurie clips him completely, just that he takes the GM portion away from him. I'd be very, very surprised if there isn't some major financial penalty for Chip walking. When they redid his deal to now include GM responsibilities, don't you think Lurie would have sat down with him and said, "look Chip, I'll give you the keys to the kingdom, but I need to feel comfortable. If this experiment doesn't work and I want to go in another direction, I need to you can't walk." Not sure what the penalty is-payback of any bonuses or something?

 

[Deamon]

Lose like crazy and get a top 3 pick. Being mediocre won't get us anything. If we are going to be bad, gotta be really bad

Unfortunately, this isn't likely to happen. More likely is the Eagles win a couple games as a road dog, teasing us with the potential. They'll probably go into week 17 with a chance to take the division at 8-8.To me, that just makes everything so much worse, because we'll be wanting to cheer for them even knowing it just means an even lower draft pick. It's a worst case scenario

Being in the middle is the worst. You gotta be great or be really bad. No in between

Deja Vu from last year. The only game I think I've ever actually not cared if the Eagles won was Week 17 last year, vs... Yep... The GIants. Somehow we won that game and that dropped our draft pick down. May be the case again this year. I'm not sure if it would have changed who we drafted as we would have only moved up 4 spots I think, and Parker still wouldn't have been available.

Tanking just isn't really a thing in the NFL though. I can see teams in other sports maybe throwing in their bench in order to get a better draft spot, but it's not really a thing in the NFL unless it's for the top pick or something. The "glory" of a win seems much more worth it to an NFL team then moving from pick 20 to 15.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Yesterday was an embarrassment in a must win game vs a struggling rookie QB. Winston is a mess at QB. The kid locked on to receivers all game and absolutely torched us making no reads. The team has no heart of desire. Assume the worst as far as FF goes for every player. This should/could be the game where Chip Kelly definitely decides to head back to college football next season. We can cry on talk radio and boo all we want. The grass is greener.

Matthews played every snap and gets 4 targets? smh. Assume the worst here too. He's flashed this season, and last, but his moment won't come until 2016 with a new coach and capable QB(no way we do worse than Sancheeks/Badford in 2016). I need a few T-Shirts for owning him everywhere.

 

[Insein]

Is there any chance that Lurie pushes General Manager Chip (GMC) out and brings in a guy like Polian to redirect this mess? I think I read that he has a consulting company now.

Zero Chance. He let Ray Rhodes have 1998. Kelly is here till his contract is up unless Kelly decides otherwise.

I'm not suggesting that Lurie clips him completely, just that he takes the GM portion away from him. I'd be very, very surprised if there isn't some major financial penalty for Chip walking. When they redid his deal to now include GM responsibilities, don't you think Lurie would have sat down with him and said, "look Chip, I'll give you the keys to the kingdom, but I need to feel comfortable. If this experiment doesn't work and I want to go in another direction, I need to you can't walk." Not sure what the penalty is-payback of any bonuses or something?

I don't see it. Chip held the hammer. Either he gets it all or he leaves. Then Lurie has to find a new coach and risk becoming the new Cleveland. So he folded.

 

[Deamon]

Eagles favored by 1.5 @DET.

And we've been favored in every loss this season.

Panthers were 3.5 point faves

 

[thayman]

Eagles fans are weird. No other team thread rambles for pages upon pages with posters having **** measuring contests on who's actually an "Official" fan.

Thayman, I generally don't like when you post in here, because you are usually trolling, but I can't disagree with this comment. Reading this thread is almost impossible, not because the Eagles are so bad, but a few posters are making it unreadable. At least Redskins fans are civil to each other. A happy Thanksgiving to you sir, and I hope you enjoy a disappointing Eagles performance on Turkey day. I can't see any reason why, right now, it won't be disappointing (for Eagles fans).

I honestly don't try to troll you. The only Eagle fan that is a troll is that Bird Go guy that's around and I'll give him as much as he gives. All but two weeks a season if I post it's because Eagle fans are typically very well informed and you used to get some really good info from this thread.

It's declined tot the point where Fans of your team are telling each other "They'd eat a bullet" if they shared that same view point. Makes it tough to get any real good info or insight.

It's not a Washington v. Philadelphia thing, it's just a common decency thing and something I found odd since you don't see that in any other team thread no matter how bad the team is doing.

 

[GoBirds]

I don't get the Rowe thing. How bad could he possibly be at this point? I feel like Davis holds guys back also. Hicks was fortunate that guys got injured Rowe got in the Wash game and even had a pick in the Jets game but then nothing. Is he that much worse than Biggers?

Seriously, if you are going to give up 5 TD through the air and 250 on the ground put the rookie in there and let him take his lumps.

 

[GoBirds]

Eagles fans are weird. No other team thread rambles for pages upon pages with posters having **** measuring contests on who's actually an "Official" fan.

Thayman, I generally don't like when you post in here, because you are usually trolling, but I can't disagree with this comment. Reading this thread is almost impossible, not because the Eagles are so bad, but a few posters are making it unreadable. At least Redskins fans are civil to each other. A happy Thanksgiving to you sir, and I hope you enjoy a disappointing Eagles performance on Turkey day. I can't see any reason why, right now, it won't be disappointing (for Eagles fans).

I honestly don't try to troll you. The only Eagle fan that is a troll is that Bird Go guy that's around and I'll give him as much as he gives. All but two weeks a season if I post it's because Eagle fans are typically very well informed and you used to get some really good info from this thread.It's declined tot the point where Fans of your team are telling each other "They'd eat a bullet" if they shared that same view point. Makes it tough to get any real good info or insight.

It's not a Washington v. Philadelphia thing, it's just a common decency thing and something I found odd since you don't see that in any other team thread no matter how bad the team is doing.

...from the guy that said the Dead skins won't have to worry about the Eagles anymore. Newsflash, you still suck too and aren't going anywhere.

Extend Cousins.....that should do it hahaha.

Our bad year is your good year.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

You can't clip Chip the GM after one season. It's all or nothing.

 

[Deamon]

Eagles fans are weird. No other team thread rambles for pages upon pages with posters having **** measuring contests on who's actually an "Official" fan.

Thayman, I generally don't like when you post in here, because you are usually trolling, but I can't disagree with this comment. Reading this thread is almost impossible, not because the Eagles are so bad, but a few posters are making it unreadable. At least Redskins fans are civil to each other. A happy Thanksgiving to you sir, and I hope you enjoy a disappointing Eagles performance on Turkey day. I can't see any reason why, right now, it won't be disappointing (for Eagles fans).

I honestly don't try to troll you. The only Eagle fan that is a troll is that Bird Go guy that's around and I'll give him as much as he gives. All but two weeks a season if I post it's because Eagle fans are typically very well informed and you used to get some really good info from this thread.

It's declined tot the point where Fans of your team are telling each other "They'd eat a bullet" if they shared that same view point. Makes it tough to get any real good info or insight.

It's not a Washington v. Philadelphia thing, it's just a common decency thing and something I found odd since you don't see that in any other team thread no matter how bad the team is doing.

You'd also be hardpressed to find any other teams' fans who hate their own team as much as us. I get frustration, but you don't see that near as much from other teams' fans. A Dallas fan comes in here trashing our team is and everyone attacks him. A Philly fan says almost the exact same things and he's just "giving a different opinion that he's entitled to and shouldn't be argued with"

 

[thayman]

Eagles fans are weird. No other team thread rambles for pages upon pages with posters having **** measuring contests on who's actually an "Official" fan.

Thayman, I generally don't like when you post in here, because you are usually trolling, but I can't disagree with this comment. Reading this thread is almost impossible, not because the Eagles are so bad, but a few posters are making it unreadable. At least Redskins fans are civil to each other. A happy Thanksgiving to you sir, and I hope you enjoy a disappointing Eagles performance on Turkey day. I can't see any reason why, right now, it won't be disappointing (for Eagles fans).

I honestly don't try to troll you. The only Eagle fan that is a troll is that Bird Go guy that's around and I'll give him as much as he gives. All but two weeks a season if I post it's because Eagle fans are typically very well informed and you used to get some really good info from this thread.It's declined tot the point where Fans of your team are telling each other "They'd eat a bullet" if they shared that same view point. Makes it tough to get any real good info or insight.

It's not a Washington v. Philadelphia thing, it's just a common decency thing and something I found odd since you don't see that in any other team thread no matter how bad the team is doing.

...from the guy that said the Dead skins won't have to worry about the Eagles anymore. Newsflash, you still suck too and aren't going anywhere.

Extend Cousins.....that should do it hahaha.

I think Washington is moving in the right direction with a competent GM who for the first time in awhile looks to be making some good football moves. The Eagles have been making moves that remind me an awfully lot of things that The Redskins would have been doing years ago. That's not a good thing.

ETA: There aren't many QB's available so extending Cousins may be the best move. If he continues to show some flashes of good games he can be decent placeholder.

 

[Deamon]

I wish we played the late game on Thursday. If we lose, the whole day and rest of the games will be ruined.

 

[fbelange]

The importance of a franchise quarterback is sadly underrated.

Chip Kelly thinking he can just plug-and-play at QB in the NFL is a slight to the league.

Rodgers

Brady

Eli

Roethlisberger

Romo

Wilson

Newton

Brees

Luck

Only 1/3 of NFL teams have one and do that math. Of those 9 teams, all but 1 have been to a SB in the past 6 years.

 

[Insein]

I can't believe the number of people touting Kaep. Have they seen him the past 2 seasons?

I mean he was benched for Blaine effing Gabbert.

They're better off rolling the dice with some mediocre college QB.

Well, one not named Hackenberg at least.

I'm not touting him. I'm saying that's Chips last hope that he'll jump for.

You make it seem like you'd be okay with that though. You mention Sanchez runs the offense better, Chip may go for Kaep, etc, etc, but then you still say Bradford is our best option. It just seems like a lot of complaining without any better viable option. And if you're asked "what would you do next if you were Chip at QB?", you'll revert back to "I would have NOT traded Foles last year".I am actually interested in what you would do right NOW with our QB situation going forward into next year though if you could have it your way.

I can't stand Kaep. I wish we would have drafted a QB last year or the year before that Chip could have been developing but it needs to happen now. If he's here for 2 years more, he absolutely needs to draft a QB that can be developed and possibly starting by 2017. We can't have these retreads try to fit into his style anymore.

But I don't have faith that Chip will have that kind of patience. No one has really developed in this offense so far. It's just been you either have talent and can play or you don't.

 

[dhockster]

Yesterday was an embarrassment in a must win game vs a struggling rookie QB. Winston is a mess at QB. The kid locked on to receivers all game and absolutely torched us making no reads. The team has no heart of desire. Assume the worst as far as FF goes for every player. This should/could be the game where Chip Kelly definitely decides to head back to college football next season. We can cry on talk radio and boo all we want. The grass is greener.

Matthews played every snap and gets 4 targets? smh. Assume the worst here too. He's flashed this season, and last, but his moment won't come until 2016 with a new coach and capable QB(no way we do worse than Sancheeks/Badford in 2016). I need a few T-Shirts for owning him everywhere.

Prior to yesterday's game Winston was completing 58% and had 10 TD's and 9 ints in his first 9 games. Definitely not bad for a rookie starting from day 1, and certainly not a mess.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Yesterday was an embarrassment in a must win game vs a struggling rookie QB. Winston is a mess at QB. The kid locked on to receivers all game and absolutely torched us making no reads. The team has no heart of desire. Assume the worst as far as FF goes for every player. This should/could be the game where Chip Kelly definitely decides to head back to college football next season. We can cry on talk radio and boo all we want. The grass is greener.

Matthews played every snap and gets 4 targets? smh. Assume the worst here too. He's flashed this season, and last, but his moment won't come until 2016 with a new coach and capable QB(no way we do worse than Sancheeks/Badford in 2016). I need a few T-Shirts for owning him everywhere.

Prior to yesterday's game Winston was completing 58% and had 10 TD's and 9 ints in his first 9 games. Definitely not bad for a rookie starting from day 1, and certainly not a mess.

Jameis Winston had thrown for a flimsy 1.0 TD/1.0 INT per game in his last seven games, and 1 TD/2 INTs total in his last three games... games in which he completed less than 57% of his passes in each game. That's who just walked in and threw 5 TDs on the Eagles. Call it what you like

 

[Insein]

I wish we played the late game on Thursday. If we lose, the whole day and rest of the games will be ruined.

I look at it as getting it out of the way. If we lose, I still have dinner and family to look forward to. If it was 4:30 game, I'd be miserable during dinner.

 

[dhockster]

Eagles fans are weird. No other team thread rambles for pages upon pages with posters having **** measuring contests on who's actually an "Official" fan.

Thayman, I generally don't like when you post in here, because you are usually trolling, but I can't disagree with this comment. Reading this thread is almost impossible, not because the Eagles are so bad, but a few posters are making it unreadable. At least Redskins fans are civil to each other. A happy Thanksgiving to you sir, and I hope you enjoy a disappointing Eagles performance on Turkey day. I can't see any reason why, right now, it won't be disappointing (for Eagles fans).

I honestly don't try to troll you. The only Eagle fan that is a troll is that Bird Go guy that's around and I'll give him as much as he gives. All but two weeks a season if I post it's because Eagle fans are typically very well informed and you used to get some really good info from this thread.

It's declined tot the point where Fans of your team are telling each other "They'd eat a bullet" if they shared that same view point. Makes it tough to get any real good info or insight.

It's not a Washington v. Philadelphia thing, it's just a common decency thing and something I found odd since you don't see that in any other team thread no matter how bad the team is doing.

Perhaps I remember you responding to GoBirds and it came off as trolling. If so, I apologize if I read it wrong. I try to get along with everyone's fans. I find it much more fun to poke fun at someone if they can laugh with you, rather them taking offense to what you are saying.

 

[GoBirds]

Eagles fans are weird. No other team thread rambles for pages upon pages with posters having **** measuring contests on who's actually an "Official" fan.

Thayman, I generally don't like when you post in here, because you are usually trolling, but I can't disagree with this comment. Reading this thread is almost impossible, not because the Eagles are so bad, but a few posters are making it unreadable. At least Redskins fans are civil to each other. A happy Thanksgiving to you sir, and I hope you enjoy a disappointing Eagles performance on Turkey day. I can't see any reason why, right now, it won't be disappointing (for Eagles fans).

I honestly don't try to troll you. The only Eagle fan that is a troll is that Bird Go guy that's around and I'll give him as much as he gives. All but two weeks a season if I post it's because Eagle fans are typically very well informed and you used to get some really good info from this thread.It's declined tot the point where Fans of your team are telling each other "They'd eat a bullet" if they shared that same view point. Makes it tough to get any real good info or insight.

It's not a Washington v. Philadelphia thing, it's just a common decency thing and something I found odd since you don't see that in any other team thread no matter how bad the team is doing.

...from the guy that said the Dead skins won't have to worry about the Eagles anymore. Newsflash, you still suck too and aren't going anywhere.

Extend Cousins.....that should do it hahaha.

I think Washington is moving in the right direction with a competent GM who for the first time in awhile looks to be making some good football moves. The Eagles have been making moves that remind me an awfully lot of things that The Redskins would have been doing years ago. That's not a good thing.

ETA: There aren't many QB's available so extending Cousins may be the best move. If he continues to show some flashes of good games he can be decent placeholder.

Of course it looks that way as its a GM that may have some intelligence...which would be a 1st for Snyders circus. While there are some ridiculous cry babies in here the answer to why there are upset fans is that 4-6 is a nightmare to Eagles fans in the last 15 years while it is an amazing season for the Skins. Dan Snyder turned a great franchise into the Raiders....except the Raiders are better. That's why it's funny when you get cocky. You would love to have Lurie over Snyder and Chip over the wrong Gruden. You would do back flips for a coach that could win 24 games in 2 and a half years. You knock Kelly's roster moves but who is playing better on another team? Your boy DJAX has 150 yards in week 11.

While this season is frustrating it could be a lot worse. Jim Tomsula is an NFL coach.

 

[Deamon]

Surprised Sam is practicing already. Thought he would certainly be out this week but it's looking like it's going to be 50/50 on which QB starts. Wonder if Sanchez will start but Sam will be the backup and ready to go in if he's ineffective/hurt?

 

[Insein]

I'd rather Sam play if healthy. We know Sanchez.

 

[JuniorNB]

Yesterday was an embarrassment in a must win game vs a struggling rookie QB. Winston is a mess at QB. The kid locked on to receivers all game and absolutely torched us making no reads. The team has no heart of desire. Assume the worst as far as FF goes for every player. This should/could be the game where Chip Kelly definitely decides to head back to college football next season. We can cry on talk radio and boo all we want. The grass is greener.

Matthews played every snap and gets 4 targets? smh. Assume the worst here too. He's flashed this season, and last, but his moment won't come until 2016 with a new coach and capable QB(no way we do worse than Sancheeks/Badford in 2016). I need a few T-Shirts for owning him everywhere.

You'll have to excuse us if we don't take your quarterback judging skills seriously. Your savior is parked on the bench in St Louis.

 

[Deamon]

Yesterday was an embarrassment in a must win game vs a struggling rookie QB. Winston is a mess at QB. The kid locked on to receivers all game and absolutely torched us making no reads. The team has no heart of desire. Assume the worst as far as FF goes for every player. This should/could be the game where Chip Kelly definitely decides to head back to college football next season. We can cry on talk radio and boo all we want. The grass is greener.

Matthews played every snap and gets 4 targets? smh. Assume the worst here too. He's flashed this season, and last, but his moment won't come until 2016 with a new coach and capable QB(no way we do worse than Sancheeks/Badford in 2016). I need a few T-Shirts for owning him everywhere.

Prior to yesterday's game Winston was completing 58% and had 10 TD's and 9 ints in his first 9 games. Definitely not bad for a rookie starting from day 1, and certainly not a mess.

Ya I don't get this "winston is awful" stuff either. He looked great yesterday, even if the Defense was bad. Far from the "mess" that people like to exaggerate. He's going to be a solid NFL qb I think.

 

[dhockster]

Yesterday was an embarrassment in a must win game vs a struggling rookie QB. Winston is a mess at QB. The kid locked on to receivers all game and absolutely torched us making no reads. The team has no heart of desire. Assume the worst as far as FF goes for every player. This should/could be the game where Chip Kelly definitely decides to head back to college football next season. We can cry on talk radio and boo all we want. The grass is greener.

Matthews played every snap and gets 4 targets? smh. Assume the worst here too. He's flashed this season, and last, but his moment won't come until 2016 with a new coach and capable QB(no way we do worse than Sancheeks/Badford in 2016). I need a few T-Shirts for owning him everywhere.

Prior to yesterday's game Winston was completing 58% and had 10 TD's and 9 ints in his first 9 games. Definitely not bad for a rookie starting from day 1, and certainly not a mess.

Jameis Winston had thrown for a flimsy 1.0 TD/1.0 INT per game in his last seven games, and 1 TD/2 INTs total in his last three games... games in which he completed less than 57% of his passes in each game. That's who just walked in and threw 5 TDs on the Eagles. Call it what you like

The other factor is he has 4 rushing TD's which tend to be forgotten when analyzing QB numbers. I am not saying Winston is great and I am not saying it is acceptable for the Eagles to give up 5 passing TD's to a rookie, but your point loses a lot of credibility when you refer to Winston as a mess when he clearly is not

 

[Deamon]

I can't believe the number of people touting Kaep. Have they seen him the past 2 seasons?

I mean he was benched for Blaine effing Gabbert.

They're better off rolling the dice with some mediocre college QB.

Well, one not named Hackenberg at least.

I'm not touting him. I'm saying that's Chips last hope that he'll jump for.

You make it seem like you'd be okay with that though. You mention Sanchez runs the offense better, Chip may go for Kaep, etc, etc, but then you still say Bradford is our best option. It just seems like a lot of complaining without any better viable option. And if you're asked "what would you do next if you were Chip at QB?", you'll revert back to "I would have NOT traded Foles last year".I am actually interested in what you would do right NOW with our QB situation going forward into next year though if you could have it your way.

I can't stand Kaep. I wish we would have drafted a QB last year or the year before that Chip could have been developing but it needs to happen now. If he's here for 2 years more, he absolutely needs to draft a QB that can be developed and possibly starting by 2017. We can't have these retreads try to fit into his style anymore.

But I don't have faith that Chip will have that kind of patience. No one has really developed in this offense so far. It's just been you either have talent and can play or you don't.

So you would draft a QB next year if it were you. That being said, it's still early in the season, but let's say we are around pick 15... do you trade up for a potential franchise QB or hope that somehow a franchise QB slips to you at 15?

 

[Deamon]

Yesterday was an embarrassment in a must win game vs a struggling rookie QB. Winston is a mess at QB. The kid locked on to receivers all game and absolutely torched us making no reads. The team has no heart of desire. Assume the worst as far as FF goes for every player. This should/could be the game where Chip Kelly definitely decides to head back to college football next season. We can cry on talk radio and boo all we want. The grass is greener.

Matthews played every snap and gets 4 targets? smh. Assume the worst here too. He's flashed this season, and last, but his moment won't come until 2016 with a new coach and capable QB(no way we do worse than Sancheeks/Badford in 2016). I need a few T-Shirts for owning him everywhere.

You'll have to excuse us if we don't take your quarterback judging skills seriously. Your savior is parked on the bench in St Louis.

Was going to point out that his stud qb had worse stats then those he just mentioned, and how his qb judging skills are so subpar, but didn't want to poke the bear and have him post links to all his great predictions. Let's hope he has you on ignore and didn't read that.

 

[thayman]

Eagles fans are weird. No other team thread rambles for pages upon pages with posters having **** measuring contests on who's actually an "Official" fan.

Thayman, I generally don't like when you post in here, because you are usually trolling, but I can't disagree with this comment. Reading this thread is almost impossible, not because the Eagles are so bad, but a few posters are making it unreadable. At least Redskins fans are civil to each other. A happy Thanksgiving to you sir, and I hope you enjoy a disappointing Eagles performance on Turkey day. I can't see any reason why, right now, it won't be disappointing (for Eagles fans).

I honestly don't try to troll you. The only Eagle fan that is a troll is that Bird Go guy that's around and I'll give him as much as he gives. All but two weeks a season if I post it's because Eagle fans are typically very well informed and you used to get some really good info from this thread.It's declined tot the point where Fans of your team are telling each other "They'd eat a bullet" if they shared that same view point. Makes it tough to get any real good info or insight.

It's not a Washington v. Philadelphia thing, it's just a common decency thing and something I found odd since you don't see that in any other team thread no matter how bad the team is doing.

...from the guy that said the Dead skins won't have to worry about the Eagles anymore. Newsflash, you still suck too and aren't going anywhere.

Extend Cousins.....that should do it hahaha.

I think Washington is moving in the right direction with a competent GM who for the first time in awhile looks to be making some good football moves. The Eagles have been making moves that remind me an awfully lot of things that The Redskins would have been doing years ago. That's not a good thing.

ETA: There aren't many QB's available so extending Cousins may be the best move. If he continues to show some flashes of good games he can be decent placeholder.

Of course it looks that way as its a GM that may have some intelligence...which would be a 1st for Snyders circus. While there are some ridiculous cry babies in here the answer to why there are upset fans is that 4-6 is a nightmare to Eagles fans in the last 15 years while it is an amazing season for the Skins. Dan Snyder turned a great franchise into the Raiders....except the Raiders are better. That's why it's funny when you get cocky. You would love to have Lurie over Snyder and Chip over the wrong Gruden. You would do back flips for a coach that could win 24 games in 2 and a half years. You knock Kelly's roster moves but who is playing better on another team? Your boy DJAX has 150 yards in week 11.

While this season is frustrating it could be a lot worse. Jim Tomsula is an NFL coach.

I'm not cocky, I have a fairly realistic view of what The Redskins are and always have. I'd challenge you to find a post of mine that says the Redskins are some unbeatable force.

• Getting rid of talented players while bringing in high dollar replacements who don't perform
• Not signing your own talent who has produced in your system
• Neglecting an aging O-Line

These are the three biggest complaints Redskins fans have had. Chip Kelly is doing all of these things and with a very patient owner like Lurie it's a trend that can continue if Kelly is stubborn enough to stick to his system and not adjust.

Again not a troll post simply a fan of a team who has watched the same situation play out a few miles down 95

 

[JuniorNB]

Yesterday was an embarrassment in a must win game vs a struggling rookie QB. Winston is a mess at QB. The kid locked on to receivers all game and absolutely torched us making no reads. The team has no heart of desire. Assume the worst as far as FF goes for every player. This should/could be the game where Chip Kelly definitely decides to head back to college football next season. We can cry on talk radio and boo all we want. The grass is greener.

Matthews played every snap and gets 4 targets? smh. Assume the worst here too. He's flashed this season, and last, but his moment won't come until 2016 with a new coach and capable QB(no way we do worse than Sancheeks/Badford in 2016). I need a few T-Shirts for owning him everywhere.

You'll have to excuse us if we don't take your quarterback judging skills seriously. Your savior is parked on the bench in St Louis.

Was going to point out that his stud qb had worse stats then those he just mentioned, and how his qb judging skills are so subpar, but didn't want to poke the bear and have him post links to all his great predictions. Let's hope he has you on ignore and didn't read that.

I was the number one anti-Winston guy around draft time. He's slowly convincing me he might be a good NFL quarterback.

 

[ShaHBucks]

Yesterday was an embarrassment in a must win game vs a struggling rookie QB. Winston is a mess at QB. The kid locked on to receivers all game and absolutely torched us making no reads. The team has no heart of desire. Assume the worst as far as FF goes for every player. This should/could be the game where Chip Kelly definitely decides to head back to college football next season. We can cry on talk radio and boo all we want. The grass is greener.

Matthews played every snap and gets 4 targets? smh. Assume the worst here too. He's flashed this season, and last, but his moment won't come until 2016 with a new coach and capable QB(no way we do worse than Sancheeks/Badford in 2016). I need a few T-Shirts for owning him everywhere.

Prior to yesterday's game Winston was completing 58% and had 10 TD's and 9 ints in his first 9 games. Definitely not bad for a rookie starting from day 1, and certainly not a mess.

Jameis Winston had thrown for a flimsy 1.0 TD/1.0 INT per game in his last seven games, and 1 TD/2 INTs total in his last three games... games in which he completed less than 57% of his passes in each game. That's who just walked in and threw 5 TDs on the Eagles. Call it what you like

The other factor is he has 4 rushing TD's which tend to be forgotten when analyzing QB numbers. I am not saying Winston is great and I am not saying it is acceptable for the Eagles to give up 5 passing TD's to a rookie, but your point loses a lot of credibility when you refer to Winston as a mess when he clearly is not

If you watch the game, or any of his previous games, count the ints that drop off of defenders hands(even the one to Simms). He's been extremely lucky. In the same span, watch his eye movement. He's making predetermined reads the entire game. It might now look like a mess now, but I promise it will catch up to him just like it did in college. *Maybe it never does when your WRs are 6'5+. Everyone's entitled And like you said.. 5TD in any circumstance is unacceptable.

*And the rushing TDs? You see the Dallas game?

 

[JuniorNB]

Yesterday was an embarrassment in a must win game vs a struggling rookie QB. Winston is a mess at QB. The kid locked on to receivers all game and absolutely torched us making no reads. The team has no heart of desire. Assume the worst as far as FF goes for every player. This should/could be the game where Chip Kelly definitely decides to head back to college football next season. We can cry on talk radio and boo all we want. The grass is greener.

Matthews played every snap and gets 4 targets? smh. Assume the worst here too. He's flashed this season, and last, but his moment won't come until 2016 with a new coach and capable QB(no way we do worse than Sancheeks/Badford in 2016). I need a few T-Shirts for owning him everywhere.

Prior to yesterday's game Winston was completing 58% and had 10 TD's and 9 ints in his first 9 games. Definitely not bad for a rookie starting from day 1, and certainly not a mess.

Jameis Winston had thrown for a flimsy 1.0 TD/1.0 INT per game in his last seven games, and 1 TD/2 INTs total in his last three games... games in which he completed less than 57% of his passes in each game. That's who just walked in and threw 5 TDs on the Eagles. Call it what you like

The other factor is he has 4 rushing TD's which tend to be forgotten when analyzing QB numbers. I am not saying Winston is great and I am not saying it is acceptable for the Eagles to give up 5 passing TD's to a rookie, but your point loses a lot of credibility when you refer to Winston as a mess when he clearly is not

If you watch the game, or any of his previous games, count the ints that drop off of defenders hands(even the one to Simms). He's been extremely lucky. In the same span, watch his eye movement. He's making predetermined reads the entire game. It might now look like a mess now, but I promise it will catch up to him just like it did in college. *Maybe it never does when your WRs are 6'5+. Everyone's entitledAnd like you said.. 5TD in any circumstance is unacceptable.

*And the rushing TDs? You see the Dallas game?

And two weeks ago, Mike Evans had six drops and Doug Martin dropped a swing pass that would have been a 45 yard touchdown. That stuff evens out.

Your actual premise is correct. 5 touchdown passes is ridiculous and our defense should be ashamed. The fact that you're trying to twist it that Winston is horrible is why no one takes you seriously. Well, that and every post you've made for the last 4 months.