*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (3 Viewers)

[ShaHBucks]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

6-2 Over The Last 8 he Started. That's not cherry picking. That's his most recent data. And considering he was coming off of two knee injuries and learning a new offense, those are the best games to judge him by.

Posted this in the Bradford thread:

• In the last 8 games he started and finished for Philly, the team went 6-2.
• In his last 7 games, he has completed 66.4 percent of his passes for eight touchdowns while throwing only three interceptions. His passer rating during that stretch is a respectable 94.9. If that was his number for the season, he would rank 13th in the NFL, right behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
• He has thrown to the drop squad all season. The Eagles have let more passes slip through their hands than any other team in the NFL

Not sure he will or should be kept for the money he will command. Be very interesting to see what the new coaching staff and front office personnel think.

That's who you think he is?

No TD's in regulation vs Dallas. Imagine loosing that one at the time. It would have been crazy. Long TD to Matthews so nothing to say here.

Mia is whatever. Didn't finish the game.

Lots of luck vs NE.

Rex Ryan.. Winston and Stafford destroyed us and NE threw the ball 50+ times leading into this game, yet Ryan insisted on a run heavy gameplan with Sammy Watkins on his team. He wanted to win the story with McCoy more than the game.

David Johnson is amazing. Racked up some garbage time numbers.

Threw the ball 56x vs Washington. A good bit vs prevent defense.

comp% is not impressive in the offense to me.

6-2? We just lost to Ari and Was. And took a loss to Car. All of the playoff teams we faced except for a banged up NE teams. We won 6 games all season. I'm lost here

Yep. 5-3 last 8 games he started and finished, I tallied one wrong. PHI lost to CAR, ARI, WAS. They beat NYG, NO, DAL, NE, BUF.

I'd like to think they beat MIA had he not been hurt, Sanchez killed us at the end there, but who's to say.

To the point of 'who he is' who knows? The last 7 games stats above is from Philly.com, and regardless if we won/lost, or who we played, his completion rate and passer rating is above average and his mistakes are down. He looks more comfortable and has shown toughness. I'm not going to beat the guy up for throwing too much because the defense is very poor or what other teams are doing against Philly in terms of strategy.

If not him, an average QB who was clearly improving, then who? New coach, his call along with Bowie. I'm very interested in what THEY think. I think it can be argued either way, he's not a slam dunk and sure is going to take some $$$ to find out.

I lean more towards he caught a break with the schedule looking at the teams in the w/l column. Even if we got to the playoffs it would have been a quick out.

I'd rather have the cap and explore all options. He shouldn't be hard to replace.

http://pfref.com/tiny/15AP3

http://pfref.com/tiny/ZRSdZ

 

[JuniorNB]

Serious question . . .

if you let Bradford walk, then how do you address the QB position for 2016 and beyond??

A question Chip should have answered before the ill-fated trade.We got the same production from Sanchez for a fraction of the price. I don't think we can do much worse 2016+. But lets see who the coach is first.

did you not watch the Miami, Tampa, and Detroit games?? Sanchez is cutable. Absoluteky horrible.

 

[Insein]

The worst part in all of this... Heath Evans was right.

 

[modogg]

i'm sure we will be able to argue Bradford to death for the next 3-4 months, but I do feel confident Howie won't spend money foolishly. Just keep him away from the draft. I don't mind not hitting every pick but thinking of Smith and guys like Danny Watkinsn i immediately cringe. anyway, here is a funny point from bleedinggreennation that hits it pretty good with Sam:

Dan: I've had Howie Roseman's back in the past and am biased because he treated me well during my time as an intern with the team, but he's the one common denominator from the last five years of bull####. Regardless of the extent to which he's the snake people claim, there's no denying the amount of smoke that follows him around. Roseman was an asset when it came to maintaining a young roster and navigating the cap favorably, but he couldn't be classified as a strong GM due to some key draft errors. He was OK, with some flashes that made you hopeful but an overall body of work that left you relatively uninspired. Oh my God, Howie Roseman is the Sam Bradford of GMs.

from: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/30/10690426/chip-kelly-fired-head-coach-jeff-lurie-eagles-browns-howie-roseman-dysfunction

 

[Billy Bats]

Statement from Chip:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CXhRspQW8AAhE-Z.jpg

 

[Insein]

i'm sure we will be able to argue Bradford to death for the next 3-4 months, but I do feel confident Howie won't spend money foolishly. Just keep him away from the draft. I don't mind not hitting every pick but thinking of Smith and guys like Danny Watkinsn i immediately cringe. anyway, here is a funny point from bleedinggreennation that hits it pretty good with Sam:

Dan: I've had Howie Roseman's back in the past and am biased because he treated me well during my time as an intern with the team, but he's the one common denominator from the last five years of bull####. Regardless of the extent to which he's the snake people claim, there's no denying the amount of smoke that follows him around. Roseman was an asset when it came to maintaining a young roster and navigating the cap favorably, but he couldn't be classified as a strong GM due to some key draft errors. He was OK, with some flashes that made you hopeful but an overall body of work that left you relatively uninspired. Oh my God, Howie Roseman is the Sam Bradfordhttp://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108591/sam-bradford of GMs.

from: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/30/10690426/chip-kelly-fired-head-coach-jeff-lurie-eagles-browns-howie-roseman-dysfunction

I want Howie on the draft. 2012 was where we got most of our starters for 13-15. I still contend that in no way was Smith Howie's pick. And Danny Watkins was Andy deferring to Howard Mudd. They hand picked him.

 

[modogg]

i'm sure we will be able to argue Bradford to death for the next 3-4 months, but I do feel confident Howie won't spend money foolishly. Just keep him away from the draft. I don't mind not hitting every pick but thinking of Smith and guys like Danny Watkinsn i immediately cringe. anyway, here is a funny point from bleedinggreennation that hits it pretty good with Sam:

Dan: I've had Howie Roseman's back in the past and am biased because he treated me well during my time as an intern with the team, but he's the one common denominator from the last five years of bull####. Regardless of the extent to which he's the snake people claim, there's no denying the amount of smoke that follows him around. Roseman was an asset when it came to maintaining a young roster and navigating the cap favorably, but he couldn't be classified as a strong GM due to some key draft errors. He was OK, with some flashes that made you hopeful but an overall body of work that left you relatively uninspired. Oh my God, Howie Roseman is the Sam Bradford of GMs.

from: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/30/10690426/chip-kelly-fired-head-coach-jeff-lurie-eagles-browns-howie-roseman-dysfunction

I want Howie on the draft. 2012 was where we got most of our starters for 13-15. I still contend that in no way was Smith Howie's pick. And Danny Watkins was Andy deferring to Howard Mudd. They hand picked him.

i hope so. I know we can get some gems from time to time like Hicks was this year, and hopefully we have some of that talent evaluation still in the organization.

 

[Insein]

i'm sure we will be able to argue Bradford to death for the next 3-4 months, but I do feel confident Howie won't spend money foolishly. Just keep him away from the draft. I don't mind not hitting every pick but thinking of Smith and guys like Danny Watkinsn i immediately cringe. anyway, here is a funny point from bleedinggreennation that hits it pretty good with Sam:

Dan: I've had Howie Roseman's back in the past and am biased because he treated me well during my time as an intern with the team, but he's the one common denominator from the last five years of bull####. Regardless of the extent to which he's the snake people claim, there's no denying the amount of smoke that follows him around. Roseman was an asset when it came to maintaining a young roster and navigating the cap favorably, but he couldn't be classified as a strong GM due to some key draft errors. He was OK, with some flashes that made you hopeful but an overall body of work that left you relatively uninspired. Oh my God, Howie Roseman is the Sam Bradfordhttp://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108591/sam-bradford of GMs.

from: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/30/10690426/chip-kelly-fired-head-coach-jeff-lurie-eagles-browns-howie-roseman-dysfunction

I want Howie on the draft. 2012 was where we got most of our starters for 13-15. I still contend that in no way was Smith Howie's pick. And Danny Watkins was Andy deferring to Howard Mudd. They hand picked him.

i hope so. I know we can get some gems from time to time like Hicks was this year, and hopefully we have some of that talent evaluation still in the organization.

I just look at he one draft Howie had full control, 2012. Fletcher Cox, Michal Kendricks, Vinny Curry, Nick Foles, Brandon Boykin and even 7th rounder Bryce Brown all played significant time and contributed. That's a home run draft.

From what they say he was also the one to reign Chip in on certain picks. Chip wanted Huff in the 2nd and Taylor Hart in the 3rd. And I swear Marcus Smith was a Chip knee jerk pick. Howie is all about the value. He would never have taken a 3-4th round guy in the first.

 

[GoBirds]

i'm sure we will be able to argue Bradford to death for the next 3-4 months, but I do feel confident Howie won't spend money foolishly. Just keep him away from the draft. I don't mind not hitting every pick but thinking of Smith and guys like Danny Watkinsn i immediately cringe. anyway, here is a funny point from bleedinggreennation that hits it pretty good with Sam:

Dan: I've had Howie Roseman's back in the past and am biased because he treated me well during my time as an intern with the team, but he's the one common denominator from the last five years of bull####. Regardless of the extent to which he's the snake people claim, there's no denying the amount of smoke that follows him around. Roseman was an asset when it came to maintaining a young roster and navigating the cap favorably, but he couldn't be classified as a strong GM due to some key draft errors. He was OK, with some flashes that made you hopeful but an overall body of work that left you relatively uninspired. Oh my God, Howie Roseman is the Sam Bradford of GMs.

from: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/30/10690426/chip-kelly-fired-head-coach-jeff-lurie-eagles-browns-howie-roseman-dysfunction

I want Howie on the draft. 2012 was where we got most of our starters for 13-15. I still contend that in no way was Smith Howie's pick. And Danny Watkins was Andy deferring to Howard Mudd. They hand picked him.

i hope so. I know we can get some gems from time to time like Hicks was this year, and hopefully we have some of that talent evaluation still in the organization.

I just look at he one draft Howie had full control, 2012. Fletcher Cox, Michal Kendricks, Vinny Curry, Nick Foles, Brandon Boykin and even 7th rounder Bryce Brown all played significant time and contributed. That's a home run draft. From what they say he was also the one to reign Chip in on certain picks. Chip wanted Huff in the 2nd and Taylor Hart in the 3rd. And I swear Marcus Smith was a Chip knee jerk pick. Howie is all about the value. He would never have taken a 3-4th round guy in the first.

I feel like the whole Howie/Chip who had control thing is spun by each person trying to justify one or the other.....is there any reliable evidence to prove either?

 

[Insein]

i'm sure we will be able to argue Bradford to death for the next 3-4 months, but I do feel confident Howie won't spend money foolishly. Just keep him away from the draft. I don't mind not hitting every pick but thinking of Smith and guys like Danny Watkinsn i immediately cringe. anyway, here is a funny point from bleedinggreennation that hits it pretty good with Sam:

Dan: I've had Howie Roseman's back in the past and am biased because he treated me well during my time as an intern with the team, but he's the one common denominator from the last five years of bull####. Regardless of the extent to which he's the snake people claim, there's no denying the amount of smoke that follows him around. Roseman was an asset when it came to maintaining a young roster and navigating the cap favorably, but he couldn't be classified as a strong GM due to some key draft errors. He was OK, with some flashes that made you hopeful but an overall body of work that left you relatively uninspired. Oh my God, Howie Roseman is the Sam Bradford of GMs.

from: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/30/10690426/chip-kelly-fired-head-coach-jeff-lurie-eagles-browns-howie-roseman-dysfunction

I want Howie on the draft. 2012 was where we got most of our starters for 13-15. I still contend that in no way was Smith Howie's pick. And Danny Watkins was Andy deferring to Howard Mudd. They hand picked him.

i hope so. I know we can get some gems from time to time like Hicks was this year, and hopefully we have some of that talent evaluation still in the organization.

I just look at he one draft Howie had full control, 2012. Fletcher Cox, Michal Kendricks, Vinny Curry, Nick Foles, Brandon Boykin and even 7th rounder Bryce Brown all played significant time and contributed. That's a home run draft. From what they say he was also the one to reign Chip in on certain picks. Chip wanted Huff in the 2nd and Taylor Hart in the 3rd. And I swear Marcus Smith was a Chip knee jerk pick. Howie is all about the value. He would never have taken a 3-4th round guy in the first.

I feel like the whole Howie/Chip who had control thing is spun by each person trying to justify one or the other.....is there any reliable evidence to prove either?

Jeffrey Lurie.

Otherwise no. It's all hearsay and conjecture but with everything Chips lied about, would it be so surprising if he denied Marcus Smith was his pick after he sucked?

 

[TheMagus]

i'm sure we will be able to argue Bradford to death for the next 3-4 months, but I do feel confident Howie won't spend money foolishly. Just keep him away from the draft. I don't mind not hitting every pick but thinking of Smith and guys like Danny Watkinsn i immediately cringe. anyway, here is a funny point from bleedinggreennation that hits it pretty good with Sam:

Dan: I've had Howie Roseman's back in the past and am biased because he treated me well during my time as an intern with the team, but he's the one common denominator from the last five years of bull####. Regardless of the extent to which he's the snake people claim, there's no denying the amount of smoke that follows him around. Roseman was an asset when it came to maintaining a young roster and navigating the cap favorably, but he couldn't be classified as a strong GM due to some key draft errors. He was OK, with some flashes that made you hopeful but an overall body of work that left you relatively uninspired. Oh my God, Howie Roseman is the Sam Bradford of GMs.

from: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/30/10690426/chip-kelly-fired-head-coach-jeff-lurie-eagles-browns-howie-roseman-dysfunction

I want Howie on the draft. 2012 was where we got most of our starters for 13-15. I still contend that in no way was Smith Howie's pick. And Danny Watkins was Andy deferring to Howard Mudd. They hand picked him.

I always thought that. And then when things went south he started spewing his standard BS implying it was not his pick. I honestly can't see Howie going for Smith in the first round like he did and at the time I had gotten the impression that Chip was the one who wanted him.

 

[fatness]

A year ago Chip is considered a genius and was go in the keys to the kingdom. A year later he's fired before the season ends. Two 10-win season and a division title isn't worth finishing out the season?

Gus Bradley is so bad that he gets to keep his job for the direction his team is going in. He's had 3 double digit loss season.

I think it has more to do with the directions their teams are/were heading rather than the number of wins. The Jaguars looked more competitive this year than they did last year. The Eagles looked worse than they did last year, and had a lot of money tied up in players who arguably weren't worth it.

 

[fatness]

Great scathing anti-Chip article

http://mobile.philly.com/sports/eagles/?wss=/philly/sports/eagles&id=363788661

I knew the Eagles defense was on the field a lot but I didn't know the disparity was this great between offense and defense.

The Eagles have ranked last in time of possession each of Kelly's seasons, about 26 minutes per game. That means outside linebacker Connor Barwin, who plays nearly all of the defensive snaps, plays nearly 130 minutes more per season than any offensive teammate. That's nearly 4 1/2 extra games per year and 13.5 extra games since 2013.

 

[modogg]

A year ago Chip is considered a genius and was go in the keys to the kingdom. A year later he's fired before the season ends. Two 10-win season and a division title isn't worth finishing out the season?

Gus Bradley is so bad that he gets to keep his job for the direction his team is going in. He's had 3 double digit loss season.

I think it has more to do with the directions their teams are/were heading rather than the number of wins. The Jaguars looked more competitive this year than they did last year. The Eagles looked worse than they did last year, and had a lot of money tied up in players who arguably weren't worth it.

actually, as we are going along it seems like it was much worse than it seemed. When Lane Johnson throws Chip under the bus you know it had to be kind of ugly:

http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports&id=363875391

Strange how this could be this bad

here is a snippet:

Johnson hopes that direction is away from Kelly's tempo. Johnson confirmed what ex-Eagles cornerback Cary Williams said early in 2014: Chippah runs his guys too hard.

"Get back to a more traditional style of offense," Johnson said. "I've been running this tempo (bleep) since college. I'm pretty damned tired. It takes a toll on you. You do it over a period of time, a lot of guys in this league aren't going to last . . . Bigger guys, it's harder on your joints. A lot of pounding. Your hips. Your back. All you're doing is torquing all day."

He could have been talking about Jason Peters, his 32-year-old bookend at left tackle who has fought thigh, back and ankle injuries in his third season in Kelly's offense. Peters has been heroic this season, even fighting through practices he should be missing.

"Practice here is pretty much the same, from (voluntary springtime) OTAs through training camp to the end of the season," Johnson said. "No other guys in the league go from April through the end of the season. It takes a toll on you. At the end of the year, I feel like I'm going to fall apart."

I can't tell if they are piling on Chip and just #####ing or if there is a whole lot here

 

[renesauz]

Another 3-4 years of the Eagles being, well, the Eagles.

I love it, no wonder this organization has no rings.

phew! Thanks for finally figuring out the problem. You are an NFL genius. Now tell us all why these teams have no ringsetroit Lions

Cleveland Browns

Jacksonville Jaguars

Arizona Cardinals

Tennessee Titans

San Diego Chargers

Buffalo Bills

Minnesota Vikings

Atlanta Falcons

Cincinnati Bengals

Carolina Panthers

While we are at it....why does a championship won in 1960 NOT count, while one won in 1967 count?

they changed the name of the game, duh. Lol

In like 1970!

 

[renesauz]

I lean more towards he caught a break with the schedule looking at the teams in the w/l column. Even if we got to the playoffs it would have been a quick out.


I'd rather have the cap and explore all options. He shouldn't be hard to replace.

http://pfref.com/tiny/15AP3

http://pfref.com/tiny/ZRSdZ

You're absolutely nuts. An average or better starting QB is the HARDEST commodity in the NFL to "replace". If he's JUST average, we have to try to keep him...and what I saw the last 6 or so games suggests a QB who can be more than "just average"

 

[Deamon]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

6-2 Over The Last 8 he Started. That's not cherry picking. That's his most recent data. And considering he was coming off of two knee injuries and learning a new offense, those are the best games to judge him by.

Posted this in the Bradford thread:

• In the last 8 games he started and finished for Philly, the team went 6-2.
• In his last 7 games, he has completed 66.4 percent of his passes for eight touchdowns while throwing only three interceptions. His passer rating during that stretch is a respectable 94.9. If that was his number for the season, he would rank 13th in the NFL, right behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
• He has thrown to the drop squad all season. The Eagles have let more passes slip through their hands than any other team in the NFL

Not sure he will or should be kept for the money he will command. Be very interesting to see what the new coaching staff and front office personnel think.

i have to look at those 8 games again, but i think that stat of him 6-2 over last 8 is misleading. The pats win really had almost nothing to do with Bradford. All he had to do was not turn it over a bunch.

and i would like to look at some of the other numbers a little closer. I would love to know how many times the Eagles came fro behind to win a game (showing an offense surge)

Can't believe we're debating this again. No one is expecting a top 5 QB... those don't grow on trees. Saying that we shouldn't sign him is absolutely insane right now. He wins and looks good, and suddenly his haters disappear from the boards for a month, and even those who used to hate him say we should resign him. Now the team is in turmoil again from firing Chip, and it's back to saying he sucked.

You want to talk about strength of schedule? Sam's ONLY losses since week 2 have been to division winners. We've played 5 games vs division leaders this year.... most in the NFL. Say we are 2-5 vs winning teams? The "vs winning teams" is the most misleading stat in football. Not even the Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, or Bengals have a winning record vs winning teams. There's under 5 teams in the NFL who have winning records vs winning teams.

Sam is miles ahead of our next best option at QB. There's no debating that we should re-sign him unless you're trolling.

 

[Deamon]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

6-2 Over The Last 8 he Started. That's not cherry picking. That's his most recent data. And considering he was coming off of two knee injuries and learning a new offense, those are the best games to judge him by.

Posted this in the Bradford thread:

• In the last 8 games he started and finished for Philly, the team went 6-2.
• In his last 7 games, he has completed 66.4 percent of his passes for eight touchdowns while throwing only three interceptions. His passer rating during that stretch is a respectable 94.9. If that was his number for the season, he would rank 13th in the NFL, right behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
• He has thrown to the drop squad all season. The Eagles have let more passes slip through their hands than any other team in the NFL

Not sure he will or should be kept for the money he will command. Be very interesting to see what the new coaching staff and front office personnel think.

That's who you think he is?

No TD's in regulation vs Dallas. Imagine loosing that one at the time. It would have been crazy. Long TD to Matthews so nothing to say here.

Mia is whatever. Didn't finish the game.

Lots of luck vs NE.

Rex Ryan.. Winston and Stafford destroyed us and NE threw the ball 50+ times leading into this game, yet Ryan insisted on a run heavy gameplan with Sammy Watkins on his team. He wanted to win the story with McCoy more than the game.

David Johnson is amazing. Racked up some garbage time numbers.

Threw the ball 56x vs Washington. A good bit vs prevent defense.

comp% is not impressive in the offense to me.

6-2? We just lost to Ari and Was. And took a loss to Car. All of the playoff teams we faced except for a banged up NE teams. We won 6 games all season. I'm lost here

yes, you really are.

 

[Deamon]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

6-2 Over The Last 8 he Started. That's not cherry picking. That's his most recent data. And considering he was coming off of two knee injuries and learning a new offense, those are the best games to judge him by.

Posted this in the Bradford thread:

• In the last 8 games he started and finished for Philly, the team went 6-2.
• In his last 7 games, he has completed 66.4 percent of his passes for eight touchdowns while throwing only three interceptions. His passer rating during that stretch is a respectable 94.9. If that was his number for the season, he would rank 13th in the NFL, right behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
• He has thrown to the drop squad all season. The Eagles have let more passes slip through their hands than any other team in the NFL

Not sure he will or should be kept for the money he will command. Be very interesting to see what the new coaching staff and front office personnel think.

That's who you think he is?

No TD's in regulation vs Dallas. Imagine loosing that one at the time. It would have been crazy. Long TD to Matthews so nothing to say here.

Mia is whatever. Didn't finish the game.

Lots of luck vs NE.

Rex Ryan.. Winston and Stafford destroyed us and NE threw the ball 50+ times leading into this game, yet Ryan insisted on a run heavy gameplan with Sammy Watkins on his team. He wanted to win the story with McCoy more than the game.

David Johnson is amazing. Racked up some garbage time numbers.

Threw the ball 56x vs Washington. A good bit vs prevent defense.

comp% is not impressive in the offense to me.

6-2? We just lost to Ari and Was. And took a loss to Car. All of the playoff teams we faced except for a banged up NE teams. We won 6 games all season. I'm lost here

Yep. 5-3 last 8 games he started and finished, I tallied one wrong. PHI lost to CAR, ARI, WAS. They beat NYG, NO, DAL, NE, BUF.

I'd like to think they beat MIA had he not been hurt, Sanchez killed us at the end there, but who's to say.

To the point of 'who he is' who knows? The last 7 games stats above is from Philly.com, and regardless if we won/lost, or who we played, his completion rate and passer rating is above average and his mistakes are down. He looks more comfortable and has shown toughness. I'm not going to beat the guy up for throwing too much because the defense is very poor or what other teams are doing against Philly in terms of strategy.

If not him, an average QB who was clearly improving, then who? New coach, his call along with Bowie. I'm very interested in what THEY think. I think it can be argued either way, he's not a slam dunk and sure is going to take some $$$ to find out.

Don't expect someone who has consistently shown to be incapable of objectiveness, to be objective. It's not really his thing.

 

[Deamon]

i'm sure we will be able to argue Bradford to death for the next 3-4 months, but I do feel confident Howie won't spend money foolishly. Just keep him away from the draft. I don't mind not hitting every pick but thinking of Smith and guys like Danny Watkinsn i immediately cringe. anyway, here is a funny point from bleedinggreennation that hits it pretty good with Sam:

Dan: I've had Howie Roseman's back in the past and am biased because he treated me well during my time as an intern with the team, but he's the one common denominator from the last five years of bull####. Regardless of the extent to which he's the snake people claim, there's no denying the amount of smoke that follows him around. Roseman was an asset when it came to maintaining a young roster and navigating the cap favorably, but he couldn't be classified as a strong GM due to some key draft errors. He was OK, with some flashes that made you hopeful but an overall body of work that left you relatively uninspired. Oh my God, Howie Roseman is the Sam Bradford of GMs.

from: http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2015/12/30/10690426/chip-kelly-fired-head-coach-jeff-lurie-eagles-browns-howie-roseman-dysfunction

I want Howie on the draft. 2012 was where we got most of our starters for 13-15. I still contend that in no way was Smith Howie's pick. And Danny Watkins was Andy deferring to Howard Mudd. They hand picked him.

i hope so. I know we can get some gems from time to time like Hicks was this year, and hopefully we have some of that talent evaluation still in the organization.

I just look at he one draft Howie had full control, 2012. Fletcher Cox, Michal Kendricks, Vinny Curry, Nick Foles, Brandon Boykin and even 7th rounder Bryce Brown all played significant time and contributed. That's a home run draft.

From what they say he was also the one to reign Chip in on certain picks. Chip wanted Huff in the 2nd and Taylor Hart in the 3rd. And I swear Marcus Smith was a Chip knee jerk pick. Howie is all about the value. He would never have taken a 3-4th round guy in the first.

Cox was the obvious guy for us though. When we went up to get him, everyone knew it was Cox. It wasn't like he was some diamond in the rough he found.

It was a solid draft though. I just don't think you can adequately say someone is a good or bad drafter based on that small of a sample size. Sometimes guys hit, sometimes they don't. Sometimes even the most talented scouts in the world are wrong about a guy. I'm satisfied with Howie running the draft, but not ecstatic about it.

 

[Eminence]

I think the problem was that Chip Kelly doesn't have a mustache. Look at Andy Reid. The Eagles are missing Andy Reid right about now.

 

[ShaHBucks]

I lean more towards he caught a break with the schedule looking at the teams in the w/l column. Even if we got to the playoffs it would have been a quick out.

I'd rather have the cap and explore all options. He shouldn't be hard to replace.

http://pfref.com/tiny/15AP3

http://pfref.com/tiny/ZRSdZ

You're absolutely nuts. An average or better starting QB is the HARDEST commodity in the NFL to "replace". If he's JUST average, we have to try to keep him...and what I saw the last 6 or so games suggests a QB who can be more than "just average"

You would think the last 6 games weren't factored into his career numbers. He's not average.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

Stats and even wins and loses aside. What do you see when you watch him? Do you see a QB who has top 15 potential? If he had the same weapons as a Palmer or Dalton what do you think his numbers would look like?I hadn't watched any of his games prior to this season. When the season started admittedly I think he just looked below average. Over the past month or so he has looked above average IMO. He stands tall in the pocket, seems tough and has put the ball in some great spots. Also, one of the knocks was that he can't or won't throw deep. Over this same time period he has competed more deep passes than any other QB in the league. Some have been perfectly thrown and many have been dropped. This is to WRs who have almost no seperation.

When I watch him, he just looks better than Sanchez or Foles. That's JMO.

Making a statement on overall production isn't an indictment on potential. I just understand the statistics. There's is room for "maybe" Bradford is an above average QB, not once have I disputed that, but you'll go broke if you keep making that bets like this over time. Your questions are loaded. I can't really answer all of them and give evidence. I watched Bradford on passing downs. I watched him in the redzone. I watched All-22 film of Matthews being ignored. I watched the drops where he hit guys in stride. I watched the drops where he throws into traffic. I watched the drops where receivers have to awkwardly turn, jump dive to get their hands on the ball. I watched the misses throws. I watched Vick and Sanchez in the same offense and really didn't see a difference with Bradford. They all had moments, typically big plays vs weaker opponents. Good opponents, obvious passing downs or shrink the field and its trouble. But if we're only singling out a six game sample and ignoring the other 50+ games Bradford has started in the NFL then there isn't much to say. Dude was crowned king since the PRESEASON. I see not much has changed.

I'm telling ya. Resign him and we're ####ed for awhile. It's bad enough we just got rid of a winning coach.

 

[JuniorNB]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

Stats and even wins and loses aside. What do you see when you watch him? Do you see a QB who has top 15 potential? If he had the same weapons as a Palmer or Dalton what do you think his numbers would look like?I hadn't watched any of his games prior to this season. When the season started admittedly I think he just looked below average. Over the past month or so he has looked above average IMO. He stands tall in the pocket, seems tough and has put the ball in some great spots. Also, one of the knocks was that he can't or won't throw deep. Over this same time period he has competed more deep passes than any other QB in the league. Some have been perfectly thrown and many have been dropped. This is to WRs who have almost no seperation.

When I watch him, he just looks better than Sanchez or Foles. That's JMO.

You are spot on. Foles is on his way out of the league. Third on the depth chart in St Louis. Sanchez looked horrendous in losing the Miami, tampa, and Detroit games. The Bradford I saw in the second half looked decisive and confident. Throws were on the money most of the time. He's not a Brady-level QB, but who is? Given a better offensive scheme and a decent line, I have no doubt he could have Carson Palmer-level success. Both are big, immobile guys with big arms. And both very accurate. There's no reason not to pay him market value. Not when lesser QBs like Tannehill and Cutler are getting more. The only concern is his injury history. So you'd have to incorporate some outs in the contract or games played incentives.

 

[dirtyjay]

Serious question . . .

if you let Bradford walk, then how do you address the QB position for 2016 and beyond??

RG3? What other free agents are out there?

 

[dirtyjay]

I think the problem was that Chip Kelly doesn't have a mustache. Look at Andy Reid. The Eagles are missing Andy Reid right about now.

Agree, this is why you dont want a proven coach to get the pink slip just because he doesnt win you a title. Sometimes you just run into a team that is better than you. That has been the case, the Eagles always were one of the better teams, but because he never won a SB out he goes. SBs are hard to win but at least Andy always gave them a shot at it.

 

[dhockster]

I am not in love with Sam Bradford. That being said, I think you have to try to sign him to an incentive laden contract (maybe like Kaepernicks) that you can get out of after two years. If they sign him to a huge contract that ties him to the team for 4 or more years, I think that is a mistake.

At the same time, if the right Qb is available in the first take him, or take one in the second. Get a guy who should be ready in a year or two. Otherwise draft Olineman. We have 8 picks? draft 7 Olineman and 1 QB.

 

[JuniorNB]

Serious question . . .

if you let Bradford walk, then how do you address the QB position for 2016 and beyond??

RG3? What other free agents are out there?

he wouldn't last through pre-season. He's too brittle for the NFL. Ryan Fitzpatrick is the only other decent QB available, and I can't see the Jets letting him go.

 

[JuniorNB]

I am not in love with Sam Bradford. That being said, I think you have to try to sign him to an incentive laden contract (maybe like Kaepernicks) that you can get out of after two years. If they sign him to a huge contract that ties him to the team for 4 or more years, I think that is a mistake.

At the same time, if the right Qb is available in the first take him, or take one in the second. Get a guy who should be ready in a year or two. Otherwise draft Olineman. We have 8 picks? draft 7 Olineman and 1 QB.

I like that thought. Maybe throw a corner back in as well. Unless Bradford signs elsewhere, I don't think I'd go QB in the first. There are no sure thing stud quarterbacks this year, so going O-line in the first will help Bradford. Unless they can address the line via free agency before the draft. O-line, QB, O-line, corner.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

Stats and even wins and loses aside. What do you see when you watch him? Do you see a QB who has top 15 potential? If he had the same weapons as a Palmer or Dalton what do you think his numbers would look like?I hadn't watched any of his games prior to this season. When the season started admittedly I think he just looked below average. Over the past month or so he has looked above average IMO. He stands tall in the pocket, seems tough and has put the ball in some great spots. Also, one of the knocks was that he can't or won't throw deep. Over this same time period he has competed more deep passes than any other QB in the league. Some have been perfectly thrown and many have been dropped. This is to WRs who have almost no seperation.

When I watch him, he just looks better than Sanchez or Foles. That's JMO.

Making a statement on overall production isn't an indictment on potential. I just understand the statistics. There's is room for "maybe" Bradford is an above average QB, not once have I disputed that, but you'll go broke if you keep making that bets like this over time.Your questions are loaded. I can't really answer all of them and give evidence. I watched Bradford on passing downs. I watched him in the redzone. I watched All-22 film of Matthews being ignored. I watched the drops where he hit guys in stride. I watched the drops where he throws into traffic. I watched the drops where receivers have to awkwardly turn, jump dive to get their hands on the ball. I watched the misses throws. I watched Vick and Sanchez in the same offense and really didn't see a difference with Bradford. They all had moments, typically big plays vs weaker opponents. Good opponents, obvious passing downs or shrink the field and its trouble. But if we're only singling out a six game sample and ignoring the other 50+ games Bradford has started in the NFL then there isn't much to say. Dude was crowned king since the PRESEASON. I see not much has changed.

I'm telling ya. Resign him and we're ####ed for awhile. It's bad enough we just got rid of a winning coach.

This is the biggest difference IMO. We'll have to agree to disagree.

I also cant see a lot of QB's who would do well with what we have around Sam. I wasn't aiming for an answer when I was asking my questions, I was just curious on what your eyes or thoughts told you. When I watched the Arizona game I actually wondered what Sam would look like with that kind of talent. And IMHO I think he'd be a sure top 10-15 QB with that type of talent.

 

[Bankerguy]

I am not in love with Sam Bradford. That being said, I think you have to try to sign him to an incentive laden contract (maybe like Kaepernicks) that you can get out of after two years. If they sign him to a huge contract that ties him to the team for 4 or more years, I think that is a mistake.

At the same time, if the right Qb is available in the first take him, or take one in the second. Get a guy who should be ready in a year or two. Otherwise draft Olineman. We have 8 picks? draft 7 Olineman and 1 QB.

I didn't watch you guys much this year so please don't take this as me trolling you guys. At the start of the year many Eagles fans were saying your line was better then the Cowboys. If not, what happened? I assume Kelce was good? What about the other 4 spots?

 

[GoBirds]

How much heat is Howie going to get if Chip moves on and succeeds elsewhere to a higher degree than the next Eagle coach? Will Lurie hold him accountable too?

 

[JuniorNB]

I am not in love with Sam Bradford. That being said, I think you have to try to sign him to an incentive laden contract (maybe like Kaepernicks) that you can get out of after two years. If they sign him to a huge contract that ties him to the team for 4 or more years, I think that is a mistake.

At the same time, if the right Qb is available in the first take him, or take one in the second. Get a guy who should be ready in a year or two. Otherwise draft Olineman. We have 8 picks? draft 7 Olineman and 1 QB.

I didn't watch you guys much this year so please don't take this as me trolling you guys. At the start of the year many Eagles fans were saying your line was better then the Cowboys. If not, what happened? I assume Kelce was good? What about the other 4 spots?

Kelce had a terrible year, but I think he can rebound. Lane Johnson is going to be good. Peters was great, but he's very average now and can't stay on the field. In 2013, we had a top 5 line in the league. Now, bottom 10 for sure.

 

[dhockster]

I am not in love with Sam Bradford. That being said, I think you have to try to sign him to an incentive laden contract (maybe like Kaepernicks) that you can get out of after two years. If they sign him to a huge contract that ties him to the team for 4 or more years, I think that is a mistake.

At the same time, if the right Qb is available in the first take him, or take one in the second. Get a guy who should be ready in a year or two. Otherwise draft Olineman. We have 8 picks? draft 7 Olineman and 1 QB.

I didn't watch you guys much this year so please don't take this as me trolling you guys. At the start of the year many Eagles fans were saying your line was better then the Cowboys. If not, what happened? I assume Kelce was good? What about the other 4 spots?

Obviously, some of that was bluster at the start of the season. But I think based on what Lane Johnson was saying, playing in Chip's offense for 3 straight years has taken a toll on the offensive lineman. Chip's thing was he was going to wear the defense out, but in the process he also wore out his lineman. The more plays, the more you have these big guys getting up and down, and no matter how much in shape they are, they take more of a physical pounding. You really saw that with Peters and how many times he went out this year. Kelce did not have a good year and losing Mathis because of his contract demands also hurt.

Going forward, they may get a year or two more from Peters in a traditional offense but I don't think they can count on him being at pro bowl level. Hopefully Johnson comes into his own, and Kelce rebounds. Other than that they need to add some talent through the draft. The Eagles haven't drafted a lineman in the last two drafts.

 

[JuniorNB]

How much heat is Howie going to get if Chip moves on and succeeds elsewhere to a higher degree than the next Eagle coach? Will Lurie hold him accountable too?

I think that depends on his situation. His system requires a certain kind of quarterback. If he goes to Tennessee and he's successful with Mariota running and passing all over the place, I'm not sure how that has any correlation to how he would have done here.

 

[GoBirds]

Have to love the Eagles Message Board......there is a thread "Does Chip Kelly have Aspergers?" lol.

Did find this interesting snippet:

Im listening to WIP and the host (andrew porter) really didnt want Chip fired

- felt that it was Lurie just got less risky and gave in and panicked

- Chip had 10-6 seasons with really bad talent, what other coach will you find esp. with Roseman and Donahue

- even in bad year, offense pretty good

Anyway Eliot Shorr-Parks came in and gave some interesting thoughts

- was not black and white situation, very complicated

- 4 very vocal players against Chips methods, rest actually liked him or didnt mind him (Rowe, Matthews, Bradford like him a lot for example)

- first thought it was a snap judgment by Lurie but Lurie did not want anyone to have complete control and was sick of it. He knows Lurie gave it to Chip but was sick of it. That is why he asked for collaboration.

- Chip failed in quarterback (Bradford not bad but average) and O line, two very important positions

- More that Chip wanted Howie out rather than control of personnel

- Chip realized it was ugly situation, Howie wasn't going anywhere so he did not argue, just left.

- more about front office structure than Chip communicating with players

 

[Donny Loved Bowling]

Serious question . . .

if you let Bradford walk, then how do you address the QB position for 2016 and beyond??

RG3? What other free agents are out there?

This is the question that all the Bradford haters don't want to answer. Sam is the most viable option, like it or not. The free agent QB list is cluttered with career backups and aging journeymen. The only names beyond Bradford that stand out are Fitzpatrick, Osweiler, and Cousins. I don't expect any of them to be leaving their current teams. So what else is there to consider? A reclamation project like RG3 or Kaepernick? I'd be okay with taking a shot on one of these if they indeed become available, but I'm not going to rely on them as a starter. Draft pick? I haven't done much research, but none of the prospects seem to be franchise QBs. I wouldn't mind taking a project in the middle rounds, but this team needs to use early picks to address other needs.

It's Bradford or bust.

 

[JuniorNB]

Serious question . . .

if you let Bradford walk, then how do you address the QB position for 2016 and beyond??

RG3? What other free agents are out there?

This is the question that all the Bradford haters don't want to answer. Sam is the most viable option, like it or not. The free agent QB list is cluttered with career backups and aging journeymen. The only names beyond Bradford that stand out are Fitzpatrick, Osweiler, and Cousins. I don't expect any of them to be leaving their current teams. So what else is there to consider? A reclamation project like RG3 or Kaepernick? I'd be okay with taking a shot on one of these if they indeed become available, but I'm not going to rely on them as a starter. Draft pick? I haven't done much research, but none of the prospects seem to be franchise QBs. I wouldn't mind taking a project in the middle rounds, but this team needs to use early picks to address other needs.It's Bradford or bust.

You are dead on buddy. If Rodgers or Roethlisberger were available, of course you'd want them over Bradford. But teams make sure they sign and secure franchise quarterbacks. Look at the contracts Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, and Andy Dalton were signed to in order for their teams to keep them. Dalton had a good year but is a post seas sin disaster. The other two are just disasters. Kaepernick was intriguing, but only because of Chip's offense. Now that he's gone, I wouldn't touch him or rg3 with a ten foot pole. Bradford is easily the best free agent out there. Some could argue Fitzpatrick, but the Jets aren't going to let him go now.

 

[Insein]

I am not in love with Sam Bradford. That being said, I think you have to try to sign him to an incentive laden contract (maybe like Kaepernicks) that you can get out of after two years. If they sign him to a huge contract that ties him to the team for 4 or more years, I think that is a mistake.

At the same time, if the right Qb is available in the first take him, or take one in the second. Get a guy who should be ready in a year or two. Otherwise draft Olineman. We have 8 picks? draft 7 Olineman and 1 QB.

I didn't watch you guys much this year so please don't take this as me trolling you guys. At the start of the year many Eagles fans were saying your line was better then the Cowboys. If not, what happened? I assume Kelce was good? What about the other 4 spots?

I can't speak for others but I think they said that it was rated #2 in 2014 second only to the Cowboys last year. I never said it was the best and I'm pretty sure others didn't as well. Especially when Chip let Mathis just walk away. Our OLine was a huge concern since it was neglected again in the draft and FA.

 

[Insein]

Serious question . . .

if you let Bradford walk, then how do you address the QB position for 2016 and beyond??

RG3? What other free agents are out there?

This is the question that all the Bradford haters don't want to answer. Sam is the most viable option, like it or not. The free agent QB list is cluttered with career backups and aging journeymen. The only names beyond Bradford that stand out are Fitzpatrick, Osweiler, and Cousins. I don't expect any of them to be leaving their current teams. So what else is there to consider? A reclamation project like RG3 or Kaepernick? I'd be okay with taking a shot on one of these if they indeed become available, but I'm not going to rely on them as a starter. Draft pick? I haven't done much research, but none of the prospects seem to be franchise QBs. I wouldn't mind taking a project in the middle rounds, but this team needs to use early picks to address other needs.It's Bradford or bust.

That's why I would franchise him. No long term commitment.

 

[JAA]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

6-2 Over The Last 8 he Started. That's not cherry picking. That's his most recent data. And considering he was coming off of two knee injuries and learning a new offense, those are the best games to judge him by.

Posted this in the Bradford thread:

• In the last 8 games he started and finished for Philly, the team went 6-2.
• In his last 7 games, he has completed 66.4 percent of his passes for eight touchdowns while throwing only three interceptions. His passer rating during that stretch is a respectable 94.9. If that was his number for the season, he would rank 13th in the NFL, right behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
• He has thrown to the drop squad all season. The Eagles have let more passes slip through their hands than any other team in the NFL

Not sure he will or should be kept for the money he will command. Be very interesting to see what the new coaching staff and front office personnel think.

i have to look at those 8 games again, but i think that stat of him 6-2 over last 8 is misleading. The pats win really had almost nothing to do with Bradford. All he had to do was not turn it over a bunch.

and i would like to look at some of the other numbers a little closer. I would love to know how many times the Eagles came fro behind to win a game (showing an offense surge)

Can't believe we're debating this again. No one is expecting a top 5 QB... those don't grow on trees. Saying that we shouldn't sign him is absolutely insane right now. He wins and looks good, and suddenly his haters disappear from the boards for a month, and even those who used to hate him say we should resign him. Now the team is in turmoil again from firing Chip, and it's back to saying he sucked.

You want to talk about strength of schedule? Sam's ONLY losses since week 2 have been to division winners. We've played 5 games vs division leaders this year.... most in the NFL. Say we are 2-5 vs winning teams? The "vs winning teams" is the most misleading stat in football. Not even the Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, or Bengals have a winning record vs winning teams. There's under 5 teams in the NFL who have winning records vs winning teams.

Sam is miles ahead of our next best option at QB. There's no debating that we should re-sign him unless you're trolling.

truth

 

[need2know]

Wouldn't mind bradford and Kapernick battling it out to see who starts. No thanks on rg3. Still think we need to draft a qb though. None of these guys is the long term answer. Maybe bradford, but he's a Longshot imo

 

[Billy Bats]

How does an offensive lineman know, or care, about front office squabbles? Seems like the whole team knew that Chip hated Howie and things were a mess at the top of the chain.

 

[flysack]

Lane Johnson's assessment seems pretty consistent with what everyone suspected.

Philadelphia Eagles offensive tackle Lane Johnson said Wednesday that Chip Kelly was a “dictator” and wouldn’t work together with members of the team.
Kelly was fired on Tuesday, with the Eagles 6–9 headed into the final game of the season. Johnson, the fourth overall pick in the 2013 draft and the first player Kelly drafted as head coach of the team, was brutally honest in his assessment of what went wrong in Philadelphia.

“Maybe the ego got in the way,” Johnson told reporters, according to Philly.com. “Too much power. Control. Not being human about things; not working together, with the team, instead of being a dictator.”

Kelly effectively assumed general manager’s duties in January – the team did not have a nominal general manager, but Kelly took control of player personnel while GM Howie Roseman became executive vice president of football operations. Johnson called it a “power struggle” between the two men.

“Just a lot of tension up there that didn't need to happen,” Johnson said of the team’s power structure, “because when you throw it up there, it does trickle down to the team, and the team knows what's going on...We always knew there was a little bit of tension — knew it wasn't just sunshine and rainbows.”

Johnson added that the Eagles’ personnel changes, naming the LeSean McCoy trade, “opened up some eyes” around the locker room and discouraged players from sharing their opinions. He said owner Jeffrey Lurie met with the players on Wednesday and said he would search for a coach “willing to collaborate.”

 

[duaneok66]

Serious question . . .

if you let Bradford walk, then how do you address the QB position for 2016 and beyond??

RG3? What other free agents are out there?

This is the question that all the Bradford haters don't want to answer. Sam is the most viable option, like it or not. The free agent QB list is cluttered with career backups and aging journeymen. The only names beyond Bradford that stand out are Fitzpatrick, Osweiler, and Cousins. I don't expect any of them to be leaving their current teams. So what else is there to consider? A reclamation project like RG3 or Kaepernick? I'd be okay with taking a shot on one of these if they indeed become available, but I'm not going to rely on them as a starter. Draft pick? I haven't done much research, but none of the prospects seem to be franchise QBs. I wouldn't mind taking a project in the middle rounds, but this team needs to use early picks to address other needs.It's Bradford or bust.

You are dead on buddy. If Rodgers or Roethlisberger were available, of course you'd want them over Bradford. But teams make sure they sign and secure franchise quarterbacks. Look at the contracts Ryan Tannehill, Jay Cutler, and Andy Dalton were signed to in order for their teams to keep them. Dalton had a good year but is a post seas sin disaster. The other two are just disasters.Kaepernick was intriguing, but only because of Chip's offense. Now that he's gone, I wouldn't touch him or rg3 with a ten foot pole. Bradford is easily the best free agent out there. Some could argue Fitzpatrick, but the Jets aren't going to let him go now.

good points - except that Kaep is horrible no matter who is coaching.

 

[duaneok66]

Franchising question - you can only tag one player per year, correct?

If so, then do you franchise Cox or Bradford??

 

[Long Ball Larry]

I am not in love with Sam Bradford. That being said, I think you have to try to sign him to an incentive laden contract (maybe like Kaepernicks) that you can get out of after two years. If they sign him to a huge contract that ties him to the team for 4 or more years, I think that is a mistake.

At the same time, if the right Qb is available in the first take him, or take one in the second. Get a guy who should be ready in a year or two. Otherwise draft Olineman. We have 8 picks? draft 7 Olineman and 1 QB.

I didn't watch you guys much this year so please don't take this as me trolling you guys. At the start of the year many Eagles fans were saying your line was better then the Cowboys. If not, what happened? I assume Kelce was good? What about the other 4 spots?

Anyone who said this was delusional.

I think that some people were optimistic that peters could return to his pro bowl form consistently and thought that barbre would be fine at guard. Well, both guards spots became a nightmare due to injury and inexperience. Kielce seems to have been overcompensating for the poor guard play and got throb out of his game. And peters was up and down due to age and injury. Also, teams adapted to the Eagles run blocking schemes and made it a lot harder for them to move where they wanted.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Franchising question - you can only tag one player per year, correct?

If so, then do you franchise Cox or Bradford??

Cox was extended, so he is already under contract for next year.

 

[duaneok66]

Franchising question - you can only tag one player per year, correct?

If so, then do you franchise Cox or Bradford??

Cox was extended, so he is already under contract for next year.

my bad, thanks.

 

[Insein]

Franchising question - you can only tag one player per year, correct?

If so, then do you franchise Cox or Bradford??

You pay Cox long term and Franchise Bradford.