*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (2 Viewers)

[jon007]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

 

[modogg]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

6-2 Over The Last 8 he Started. That's not cherry picking. That's his most recent data. And considering he was coming off of two knee injuries and learning a new offense, those are the best games to judge him by.

Posted this in the Bradford thread:

• In the last 8 games he started and finished for Philly, the team went 6-2.
• In his last 7 games, he has completed 66.4 percent of his passes for eight touchdowns while throwing only three interceptions. His passer rating during that stretch is a respectable 94.9. If that was his number for the season, he would rank 13th in the NFL, right behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
• He has thrown to the drop squad all season. The Eagles have let more passes slip through their hands than any other team in the NFL

Not sure he will or should be kept for the money he will command. Be very interesting to see what the new coaching staff and front office personnel think.

i have to look at those 8 games again, but i think that stat of him 6-2 over last 8 is misleading. The pats win really had almost nothing to do with Bradford. All he had to do was not turn it over a bunch.

and i would like to look at some of the other numbers a little closer. I would love to know how many times the Eagles came fro behind to win a game (showing an offense surge)

Can't believe we're debating this again. No one is expecting a top 5 QB... those don't grow on trees. Saying that we shouldn't sign him is absolutely insane right now. He wins and looks good, and suddenly his haters disappear from the boards for a month, and even those who used to hate him say we should resign him. Now the team is in turmoil again from firing Chip, and it's back to saying he sucked.

You want to talk about strength of schedule? Sam's ONLY losses since week 2 have been to division winners. We've played 5 games vs division leaders this year.... most in the NFL. Say we are 2-5 vs winning teams? The "vs winning teams" is the most misleading stat in football. Not even the Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, or Bengals have a winning record vs winning teams. There's under 5 teams in the NFL who have winning records vs winning teams.

Sam is miles ahead of our next best option at QB. There's no debating that we should re-sign him unless you're trolling.

yeah, we need to stop this Bradford discussion for at least a few weeks, I agree. my point isn't about signing him or not. i'll let Howie and Sam sort that out. I definitely think he is the best option we currently have, and if we end up giving up a 2nd round pick for a 1-year rental it will sting a lot more.

My only point is that I do not know how many more 6-9, 5-10 seasons the Eagles have in them. So if they get a pick in the top 10 of the draft, and if there is a QB there with potential to be a franchise QB, I think they have to go for it. they better be sure, but even if he has to sit the bench for a year or 2, that is fine. I just worry that like you say franchise QBs don't grow on trees. So if we have an opportunity to try for one it should be a priority

 

[Amused to Death]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

I'm hoping Payton gets released from N.O.

 

[JuniorNB]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

Not talking specifically about Pagano, but usually after a team lets go of a coach who was hardass and had a bad relationship with his players, they bring in a guy who the players will like. So I could see that. It seems to me that Pagano underachieves in Indy. They've had a helluva lot of talent there recently and he's never won anything. And as talented as Luck is, he doesn't seem to be progressing. Although I'm certainly not as knowledgeable of their situation as I am with Philly's.

 

[GoBirds]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

Don't know much about Pagano, always liked him from his great story beating cancer. Concerned he couldn't dominate w best young QB in decades.

 

[GoBirds]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

I'm hoping Payton gets released from N.O.

They are trying to trade him for 2 1st. No thanks.

 

[JuniorNB]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

I'm hoping Payton gets released from N.O.

They are trying to trade him for 2 1st. No thanks.

I'd do it if Brees and Cooks came with him.

 

[Amused to Death]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

I'm hoping Payton gets released from N.O.

They are trying to trade him for 2 1st. No thanks.

Hadn't heard they were openly shopping him. And agree, no thanks on the asking price. But if he gets released......

 

[need2know]

The fact they are shopping him is telling. No one will pay that. He prob will get released. No idea if he comes to Philly though

 

[Bigboy10182000]

How much heat is Howie going to get if Chip moves on and succeeds elsewhere to a higher degree than the next Eagle coach? Will Lurie hold him accountable too?

Lurie is the one who fired Chip. If Chip goes on and has success only Lurie is to blame.

Chip was at the top of everyone's list when he was coming to the NFL. Howie brought him in and Chip had 2 10-6 season. After that Lurie decided to give Chip total control, it blew up, and he fired him.

 

[Deamon]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

WHAT? Probably the last guy in the NFL we'd want. Guy is retiring anyways.

 

[Deamon]

I am not in love with Sam Bradford. That being said, I think you have to try to sign him to an incentive laden contract (maybe like Kaepernicks) that you can get out of after two years. If they sign him to a huge contract that ties him to the team for 4 or more years, I think that is a mistake.

At the same time, if the right Qb is available in the first take him, or take one in the second. Get a guy who should be ready in a year or two. Otherwise draft Olineman. We have 8 picks? draft 7 Olineman and 1 QB.

I didn't watch you guys much this year so please don't take this as me trolling you guys. At the start of the year many Eagles fans were saying your line was better then the Cowboys. If not, what happened? I assume Kelce was good? What about the other 4 spots?

Anyone who said this was delusional.

I think that some people were optimistic that peters could return to his pro bowl form consistently and thought that barbre would be fine at guard. Well, both guards spots became a nightmare due to injury and inexperience. Kielce seems to have been overcompensating for the poor guard play and got throb out of his game. And peters was up and down due to age and injury. Also, teams adapted to the Eagles run blocking schemes and made it a lot harder for them to move where they wanted.

This. I am trying to go back and look but I don't see people on here saying our Oline was great. Even after the draft we were all worried about our Oline, and then losing Mathis, Oline was not NEAR in the same class as Dallas'. I think most of us saw Dallas' as #1, ours around #15. And then a few weeks into the season it was Dallas' #15, ours #30.

 

[Deamon]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

Gase. It's gotta be Gase. Go get him right now.

 

[Deamon]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

6-2 Over The Last 8 he Started. That's not cherry picking. That's his most recent data. And considering he was coming off of two knee injuries and learning a new offense, those are the best games to judge him by.

Posted this in the Bradford thread:

• In the last 8 games he started and finished for Philly, the team went 6-2.
• In his last 7 games, he has completed 66.4 percent of his passes for eight touchdowns while throwing only three interceptions. His passer rating during that stretch is a respectable 94.9. If that was his number for the season, he would rank 13th in the NFL, right behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
• He has thrown to the drop squad all season. The Eagles have let more passes slip through their hands than any other team in the NFL

Not sure he will or should be kept for the money he will command. Be very interesting to see what the new coaching staff and front office personnel think.

i have to look at those 8 games again, but i think that stat of him 6-2 over last 8 is misleading. The pats win really had almost nothing to do with Bradford. All he had to do was not turn it over a bunch.

and i would like to look at some of the other numbers a little closer. I would love to know how many times the Eagles came fro behind to win a game (showing an offense surge)

Can't believe we're debating this again. No one is expecting a top 5 QB... those don't grow on trees. Saying that we shouldn't sign him is absolutely insane right now. He wins and looks good, and suddenly his haters disappear from the boards for a month, and even those who used to hate him say we should resign him. Now the team is in turmoil again from firing Chip, and it's back to saying he sucked.

You want to talk about strength of schedule? Sam's ONLY losses since week 2 have been to division winners. We've played 5 games vs division leaders this year.... most in the NFL. Say we are 2-5 vs winning teams? The "vs winning teams" is the most misleading stat in football. Not even the Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, or Bengals have a winning record vs winning teams. There's under 5 teams in the NFL who have winning records vs winning teams.

Sam is miles ahead of our next best option at QB. There's no debating that we should re-sign him unless you're trolling.

yeah, we need to stop this Bradford discussion for at least a few weeks, I agree. my point isn't about signing him or not. i'll let Howie and Sam sort that out. I definitely think he is the best option we currently have, and if we end up giving up a 2nd round pick for a 1-year rental it will sting a lot more.

My only point is that I do not know how many more 6-9, 5-10 seasons the Eagles have in them. So if they get a pick in the top 10 of the draft, and if there is a QB there with potential to be a franchise QB, I think they have to go for it. they better be sure, but even if he has to sit the bench for a year or 2, that is fine. I just worry that like you say franchise QBs don't grow on trees. So if we have an opportunity to try for one it should be a priority

Who do you have in mind? I agree a lot of things can happen at the combine and pre-draft to move guys' values around, but this seems like a pretty blind statement without having much knowledge of the guys coming up. Goff and Lynch are the only two guys who should go top 10, and it's unlikely either fall to us. ZERO chance we trade up this year and give up more picks, so these two guys are likely not even in question for us. If we win this week vs NYG, we can pick as low as like 16th, and I don't think it's going to be that rare to get into the top 15 again during a better qb class. This simply is NOT the year to go for a franchise qb with a first round pick, especially with where we'll be picking.

 

[duaneok66]

thank you. Those top two guys are drafted, then what? Eagles have to pick a "project" QB. That rarely works out well.

 

[Deamon]

LOSE VS NYG: Best case #8, Worst case #12.

WIN VS NYG: Best case #12, Worst case #16

 

[Bigboy10182000]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

Gase. It's gotta be Gase. Go get him right now.

The only one I want is McDaniels. I love the play calling in NE and how they change to suit the opponent. He's learned from the best HC and QB in the NFL and even has some HC experience. Now...all we need is a Gronk lol

 

[Insein]

I'm actually warming to the McDaniels idea. I think he learned a lot from his time in Denver and has built himself back up. He'll probably do things differently this time around and he is an excellent offensive mind.

 

[Deamon]

thank you. Those top two guys are drafted, then what? Eagles have to pick a "project" QB. That rarely works out well.

Cook and Wentz are the only 2 other qbs remotely in the first round discussion, and both would be huge reaches at where we pick. With so many holes, there is no chance I want a huge reach qb with our top 15 pick this year. I don't see how anyone realistically does.

 

[Deamon]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

Gase. It's gotta be Gase. Go get him right now.

The only one I want is McDaniels. I love the play calling in NE and how they change to suit the opponent. He's learned from the best HC and QB in the NFL and even has some HC experience. Now...all we need is a Gronk lol

I'm actually warming to the McDaniels idea. I think he learned a lot from his time in Denver and has built himself back up. He'll probably do things differently this time around and he is an excellent offensive mind.

Has there even been any talk at all about him wanting a HC job this offseason? My understanding of him was that he didn't want to leave NE. I think he stays put. The worse part is, we likely can't even talk to him until February.

 

[ShaHBucks]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

6-2 Over The Last 8 he Started. That's not cherry picking. That's his most recent data. And considering he was coming off of two knee injuries and learning a new offense, those are the best games to judge him by.

Posted this in the Bradford thread:

• In the last 8 games he started and finished for Philly, the team went 6-2.
• In his last 7 games, he has completed 66.4 percent of his passes for eight touchdowns while throwing only three interceptions. His passer rating during that stretch is a respectable 94.9. If that was his number for the season, he would rank 13th in the NFL, right behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
• He has thrown to the drop squad all season. The Eagles have let more passes slip through their hands than any other team in the NFL

Not sure he will or should be kept for the money he will command. Be very interesting to see what the new coaching staff and front office personnel think.

i have to look at those 8 games again, but i think that stat of him 6-2 over last 8 is misleading. The pats win really had almost nothing to do with Bradford. All he had to do was not turn it over a bunch.

and i would like to look at some of the other numbers a little closer. I would love to know how many times the Eagles came fro behind to win a game (showing an offense surge)

Can't believe we're debating this again. No one is expecting a top 5 QB... those don't grow on trees. Saying that we shouldn't sign him is absolutely insane right now. He wins and looks good, and suddenly his haters disappear from the boards for a month, and even those who used to hate him say we should resign him. Now the team is in turmoil again from firing Chip, and it's back to saying he sucked. You want to talk about strength of schedule? Sam's ONLY losses since week 2 have been to division winners. We've played 5 games vs division leaders this year.... most in the NFL. Say we are 2-5 vs winning teams? The "vs winning teams" is the most misleading stat in football. Not even the Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, or Bengals have a winning record vs winning teams. There's under 5 teams in the NFL who have winning records vs winning teams.

Sam is miles ahead of our next best option at QB. There's no debating that we should re-sign him unless you're trolling.

truth

Dude thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a hater, insane, wrong and a troll..But, as far as debating anything outside of personal attacks(which doesn't validate anything surprisingly).. The Patriots being 4-2 vs teams above .500 is also the truth. Ditto for Dalton. I can see why the stat is misleading. I only mentioned it because you typically play a winning team if you make the playoffs like Car, Was, Ari. If you think we have a shot vs them or other playoff teams then you're an insane troll who hating

 

[JuniorNB]

thank you. Those top two guys are drafted, then what? Eagles have to pick a "project" QB. That rarely works out well.

Cook and Wentz are the only 2 other qbs remotely in the first round discussion, and both would be huge reaches at where we pick. With so many holes, there is no chance I want a huge reach qb with our top 15 pick this year. I don't see how anyone realistically does.

And others are saying Goff and Lynch. Which is the very reason that I don't think this is the year to reach for a quarterback in round one. No one is jumping off the page and screams 'can't miss pro'. I agree. We need offensive line help. We have a QB already who is better than half the starters in the league. And has top ten potential. If he even improves half as much as he did from the beginning of 2015 to the end, he's there.

Now if Bradford signs elsewhere and all we have is Sanchez, then I think you go quarterback and throw him to the wolves. Sanchez showed in his three games that he is no longer an NFL quarterback.

 

[need2know]

I like goff

 

[Deamon]

The consensus is that Sam Bradford lived up to the hype? and we should sign/franchise him?

I'm running some numbers now... and he doesn't look too good. The only good defenses we played all year were Atl(maybe?), Dal(the 1st time. 2nd time he had no TD in regulation), NYJ, Car, NE(injuries), and ARI(garbage time score). He sucked pretty much.

2-5 vs winning teams. 4-1 vs loser(not counting MIA). 6-7 in starts with a 84 QB rate. 33rd ranked QBR, right next to iconic QB's like Luck, Manning and Foles this season. Sanchez is 4-6 in starts with an 86.6 QB rate as an Eagles. He even had a Bradford like performance on Thanksgiving(and the week before IMO) and just can't beat a winning team late. I really hope we don't pay anywhere near Bradford's market value for Sanchez(or Foles 2014, less winning, if anyone wants to go there) type of production. This was my beef all along. The risk/reward is terrible.

What's the stretch where he supposedly had great numbers and won games? I know I post when the schedule was turning into cake, and thought he could/should produce for FF, but I jumped off the wagon ASAP. just asking for research purposes if anyone cares. Cherry pick the last 6 games?

6-2 Over The Last 8 he Started. That's not cherry picking. That's his most recent data. And considering he was coming off of two knee injuries and learning a new offense, those are the best games to judge him by.

Posted this in the Bradford thread:

• In the last 8 games he started and finished for Philly, the team went 6-2.
• In his last 7 games, he has completed 66.4 percent of his passes for eight touchdowns while throwing only three interceptions. His passer rating during that stretch is a respectable 94.9. If that was his number for the season, he would rank 13th in the NFL, right behind Eli Manning of the New York Giants and Aaron Rodgers of the Green Bay Packers.
• He has thrown to the drop squad all season. The Eagles have let more passes slip through their hands than any other team in the NFL

Not sure he will or should be kept for the money he will command. Be very interesting to see what the new coaching staff and front office personnel think.

i have to look at those 8 games again, but i think that stat of him 6-2 over last 8 is misleading. The pats win really had almost nothing to do with Bradford. All he had to do was not turn it over a bunch.

and i would like to look at some of the other numbers a little closer. I would love to know how many times the Eagles came fro behind to win a game (showing an offense surge)

Can't believe we're debating this again. No one is expecting a top 5 QB... those don't grow on trees. Saying that we shouldn't sign him is absolutely insane right now. He wins and looks good, and suddenly his haters disappear from the boards for a month, and even those who used to hate him say we should resign him. Now the team is in turmoil again from firing Chip, and it's back to saying he sucked. You want to talk about strength of schedule? Sam's ONLY losses since week 2 have been to division winners. We've played 5 games vs division leaders this year.... most in the NFL. Say we are 2-5 vs winning teams? The "vs winning teams" is the most misleading stat in football. Not even the Patriots, Steelers, Seahawks, or Bengals have a winning record vs winning teams. There's under 5 teams in the NFL who have winning records vs winning teams.

Sam is miles ahead of our next best option at QB. There's no debating that we should re-sign him unless you're trolling.

truth

Dude thinks anyone who disagrees with him is a hater, insane, wrong and a troll..But, as far as debating anything outside of personal attacks(which doesn't validate anything surprisingly).. The Patriots being 4-2 vs teams above .500 is also the truth. Ditto for Dalton. I can see why the stat is misleading. I only mentioned it because you typically play a winning team if you make the playoffs like Car, Was, Ari. If you think we have a shot vs them or other playoff teams then you're an insane troll who hating

When you're a fan of the team and you go silent for a month during our winning streak, but are the first to run in here and post after every loss, then yes you are trolling. When you say that signing Sam would '#### this team up" even more, you are trolling. Everyone has finally came around on Sam and you're back all alone on this one saying he is awful, didn't improve, and is about the same quality as Vick and Foles, and is easily replaceable. You bring stubbornness to an entire new level. Even Chip is jealous.

 

[Deamon]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

Gase. It's gotta be Gase. Go get him right now.

The only one I want is McDaniels. I love the play calling in NE and how they change to suit the opponent. He's learned from the best HC and QB in the NFL and even has some HC experience. Now...all we need is a Gronk lol

I'm actually warming to the McDaniels idea. I think he learned a lot from his time in Denver and has built himself back up. He'll probably do things differently this time around and he is an excellent offensive mind.

Has there even been any talk at all about him wanting a HC job this offseason? My understanding of him was that he didn't want to leave NE. I think he stays put. The worse part is, we likely can't even talk to him until February.

From what I understand if a team has a bye or has been eliminated then we can talk to them. Is NE in line for a bye?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I like goff

Same. I think he may need a few weeks into the season before starting but I like his potential

 

[Deamon]

thank you. Those top two guys are drafted, then what? Eagles have to pick a "project" QB. That rarely works out well.

Cook and Wentz are the only 2 other qbs remotely in the first round discussion, and both would be huge reaches at where we pick. With so many holes, there is no chance I want a huge reach qb with our top 15 pick this year. I don't see how anyone realistically does.

And others are saying Goff and Lynch. Which is the very reason that I don't think this is the year to reach for a quarterback in round one. No one is jumping off the page and screams 'can't miss pro'. I agree. We need offensive line help. We have a QB already who is better than half the starters in the league. And has top ten potential. If he even improves half as much as he did from the beginning of 2015 to the end, he's there.

Now if Bradford signs elsewhere and all we have is Sanchez, then I think you go quarterback and throw him to the wolves. Sanchez showed in his three games that he is no longer an NFL quarterback.

If Sam leaves, our legitimate options as next year's starting QB (with the #11 or so pick in the draft) are:

Mark Sanchez

Connor Cook

Carson Wentz

Colin Kaepernick

RG3

Yes guys, signing Bradford would kill this team.

 

[Deamon]

I like goff

Same. I think he may need a few weeks into the season before starting but I like his potential

What's the point of discussing guys that will be gone before we pick though? Mariota I get because there was talk of moving up. Do you think there's ANY chance that Howie moves up? We don't even have a 2nd to do it.

 

[Deamon]

NFL.com keeps pushing coach Pagano as a good fit for the Eagles. I honestly do not know much about the guy. Doesn't seem like the type of coach Lurie would go for. I don't think we will hire an unproven college coach this time even if they are highly regarded. So it has to be a coach with NFL experience. Pagano seems to low key and not aggressive enough. Besides the usual cadidates I'm curious if Kubiak stays in Denver. With our current personnel I would think Kubiak could come in an establish some stability and get the run game going. Potentially bring Payton Manning over for a year.

The problem is I think Lurie wants a coach sooner rather than later so any potential coach that is on a playoff team might not be an option.

Gase. It's gotta be Gase. Go get him right now.

The only one I want is McDaniels. I love the play calling in NE and how they change to suit the opponent. He's learned from the best HC and QB in the NFL and even has some HC experience. Now...all we need is a Gronk lol

I'm actually warming to the McDaniels idea. I think he learned a lot from his time in Denver and has built himself back up. He'll probably do things differently this time around and he is an excellent offensive mind.

Has there even been any talk at all about him wanting a HC job this offseason? My understanding of him was that he didn't want to leave NE. I think he stays put. The worse part is, we likely can't even talk to him until February.

From what I understand if a team has a bye or has been eliminated then we can talk to them. Is NE in line for a bye?

Yes NE gets a bye. I didn't think that was the case though. Don't think a bye week means anything for the legality of it. I could be wrong though. Or maybe you can talk to them but not negotiate until they're eliminated?

 

[Deamon]

What round compensatory pick are we likely to get for Maclin?

 

[need2know]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Doubt it. I bet he goes top 5. Would help to know exactly who's picking when. But he's the best looking qb I see

 

[Mighty Mice]

What round compensatory pick are we likely to get for Maclin?

Nothing.

The formula is to have lost more players than added. We added Maxwell and Murray among others...overthecap.com tracks it better than anyone, and has us receiving 0 picks in any round.

Here's a good bleacher report article explaining the process: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2406361-nfl-compensatory-picks-2015-rules-formula-explanation-and-latest-projections

ETA: Dallas looks to be in line for the most compensatory picks this year, projected to add 4 picks between rounds 3-6. Also, this year, for the first time they are tradeable assets. In other words... our signing Murray gave them a 3rd and cost us a 3rd for Maclin. Salt in the wounds, eh?

 

[Deamon]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Doubt it. I bet he goes top 5. Would help to know exactly who's picking when. But he's the best looking qb I see

Ya I've seen both of those guys going top 5, but almost always top 10. Come draft day, they're both locks to go top 10 but I'm not totally sure which will go first. Depends how combine/pre draft goes.

 

[Deamon]

What round compensatory pick are we likely to get for Maclin?

Nothing.

The formula is to have lost more players than added. We added Maxwell and Murray among others...overthecap.com tracks it better than anyone, and has us receiving 0 picks in any round.

Here's a good bleacher report article explaining the process: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2406361-nfl-compensatory-picks-2015-rules-formula-explanation-and-latest-projections

ETA: Dallas looks to be in line for the most compensatory picks this year, projected to add 4 picks between rounds 3-6. Also, this year, for the first time they are traceable assets. In other words... our signing Murray gave them a 3rd and cost us a 3rd for Maclin. Salt in the wounds, eh?

Nice, thanks. That sucks haha

 

[Bankerguy]

I am not in love with Sam Bradford. That being said, I think you have to try to sign him to an incentive laden contract (maybe like Kaepernicks) that you can get out of after two years. If they sign him to a huge contract that ties him to the team for 4 or more years, I think that is a mistake.

At the same time, if the right Qb is available in the first take him, or take one in the second. Get a guy who should be ready in a year or two. Otherwise draft Olineman. We have 8 picks? draft 7 Olineman and 1 QB.

I didn't watch you guys much this year so please don't take this as me trolling you guys. At the start of the year many Eagles fans were saying your line was better then the Cowboys. If not, what happened? I assume Kelce was good? What about the other 4 spots?

Obviously, some of that was bluster at the start of the season. But I think based on what Lane Johnson was saying, playing in Chip's offense for 3 straight years has taken a toll on the offensive lineman. Chip's thing was he was going to wear the defense out, but in the process he also wore out his lineman. The more plays, the more you have these big guys getting up and down, and no matter how much in shape they are, they take more of a physical pounding. You really saw that with Peters and how many times he went out this year. Kelce did not have a good year and losing Mathis because of his contract demands also hurt.

Going forward, they may get a year or two more from Peters in a traditional offense but I don't think they can count on him being at pro bowl level. Hopefully Johnson comes into his own, and Kelce rebounds. Other than that they need to add some talent through the draft. The Eagles haven't drafted a lineman in the last two drafts.

Thank you for a great answer.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I like goff

Same. I think he may need a few weeks into the season before starting but I like his potential

What's the point of discussing guys that will be gone before we pick though? Mariota I get because there was talk of moving up. Do you think there's ANY chance that Howie moves up? We don't even have a 2nd to do it.

Right now I'd say there's a decent chance he's around when we pick. Obviously a lot can change between now and then but if we're around the top 10 we'd have a shot IMO.

 

[Deamon]

I like goff

Same. I think he may need a few weeks into the season before starting but I like his potential

What's the point of discussing guys that will be gone before we pick though? Mariota I get because there was talk of moving up. Do you think there's ANY chance that Howie moves up? We don't even have a 2nd to do it.

Right now I'd say there's a decent chance he's around when we pick. Obviously a lot can change between now and then but if we're around the top 10 we'd have a shot IMO.

I strongly disagree. Not after the bowl game he just had where he threw 6tds. I would be surprised if he isn't a top 5 pick. If he's around at #11 when we likely pick I'll be absolutely blown away. You really think with the way the NFL is these days, that NO qbs will go top 10?? Goff shouldn't even be on our radar unless Howie wants to give up next years 1st rounder and go get him.

 

[duaneok66]

It's probably rare that NO QBs are drafted in the top ten.

 

[Insein]

We need to lose. I don't know that we can. The players will be fired up to show Chip was a joke.

Only hope is that we try to implement a new offense this week and guys have trouble adapting to it.

 

[JuniorNB]

We need to lose. I don't know that we can. The players will be fired up to show Chip was a joke.

Only hope is that we try to implement a new offense this week and guys have trouble adapting to it.

our only hope is that Beckham is even more fired up.

 

[need2know]

It will be interesting to see how they play this week. That is for sure

 

[Deamon]

We need to lose. I don't know that we can. The players will be fired up to show Chip was a joke.

Only hope is that we try to implement a new offense this week and guys have trouble adapting to it.

Let's hope they play hard for Coughlin

 

[GoBirds]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Dude threw 6 TD yesterday....I like him too. Too bad we aren't picking #1.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Dude threw 6 TD yesterday....I like him too. Too bad we aren't picking #1.

Who knows how everyone feels. Stranger things have happened though but the whole "a guy isn't going at this pick" is very premature IMO

 

[GoBirds]

I like goff

me too. Are you saying there's a legitimate chance we get him with our pick likely around #11? I like Mariota last year too.

Dude threw 6 TD yesterday....I like him too. Too bad we aren't picking #1.

Who knows how everyone feels. Stranger things have happened though but the whole "a guy isn't going at this pick" is very premature IMO

Usually this early that's the case because they are rated lower then shoot up because teams need QB'S.

 

[babydemon90]

Interesting comments by Johnson on how Chip's system wears down OL over time... if that's the case, he might not have any success in the NFL. I think we heard again and again though, the pressure on the defense his system put them in.

 

[need2know]

I don't think chip is an nfl coach. And that not just ca use he blew up our team and got worse every year. I want to see him go to another nfl team so everyone can know for sure. But I wouldn't be in a rush to hire him. If I was an nfl owner, he would not be high on my list as a head coach. Maybe oc

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

Interesting comments by Johnson on how Chip's system wears down OL over time... if that's the case, he might not have any success in the NFL. I think we heard again and again though, the pressure on the defense his system put them in.

Don't forget that they were the only team to practice on Tuesday and do a full hard on practice on Saturday instead of a walk though like the other 31 teams because Chip read that certain Olympic athletes do a hard workout the day before a competition. Just like his constant military comparisons, they ultimately didn't relate to professional level football.

 

[Kwai Chang Caine]

I don't think chip is an nfl coach. And that not just ca use he blew up our team and got worse every year. I want to see him go to another nfl team so everyone can know for sure. But I wouldn't be in a rush to hire him. If I was an nfl owner, he would not be high on my list as a head coach. Maybe oc

Any NFL team that hires him after what happened here is absolutely nuts but I'd love to see him hired by a division or even conference rival ;-)