Higgs
Footballguy
One of the steeler aliases in here used to post about his friend who was Cruz's roommate. Those posts were amazing. This guy couldn't stand Cruz. Said he was awkward, weird, and left oily stains everywhere.
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Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (4 Viewers)
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Righetti
Footballguy
And then there were four!!!
Sometime in the fall there was a moment when the world was Ben Carson's oyster....for those few minutes he was Howard Dean, The 9-9-9 guys, Deez Nutz and the Rent is too Damn High guy wrapped into one and there was some thought that he could be the knight in shining armor we've all hoped for. Sadly, Ben Carson unlike his brother Johnny, was not ready for prime time and his campaign is expected to end today with about as much excitement as, well, Ben Carson. Never has a man who knew more about one subject been incapable of a rational though on another. Ben Carson spent months complaining that not body was listening and then proceeded to bore everybody to tears when they did.
He apparently has magical hands and with an ability to dull his patients to sleep in his Good Night Moon voice, was able to operate on an entire country without anybody noticing.
I think it would be nice if we all went out and bought his book, or not, I really don't care
Sometime in the fall there was a moment when the world was Ben Carson's oyster....for those few minutes he was Howard Dean, The 9-9-9 guys, Deez Nutz and the Rent is too Damn High guy wrapped into one and there was some thought that he could be the knight in shining armor we've all hoped for. Sadly, Ben Carson unlike his brother Johnny, was not ready for prime time and his campaign is expected to end today with about as much excitement as, well, Ben Carson. Never has a man who knew more about one subject been incapable of a rational though on another. Ben Carson spent months complaining that not body was listening and then proceeded to bore everybody to tears when they did.
He apparently has magical hands and with an ability to dull his patients to sleep in his Good Night Moon voice, was able to operate on an entire country without anybody noticing.
I think it would be nice if we all went out and bought his book, or not, I really don't care
Card Trader
Footballguy
Was talking with an Iowa coworker the other day. He said it's miserable with calls and people showing up at his door for weeks before the caucuses
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
So is Carson going to be on the left of Donald at the next press conference?
sho nuff
Footballguy
As bad as Trump and his supporters are...your defense of Cruz may be more odd. Almost everyone in both sides agree he guy is slime. That should clue you in to something.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Had mostly prereorded messages.
1 from our governor for Rubio. Some duck dynasty sounding redneck for Cruz, one for Trump that I could not understand much of the recording.
Also had a number that called a lot but never left a message. Guessing it was political as there were plenty over the weekend from that number and Monday and some of yesterday, but none today.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
- "TED CRUZ" — A Bad Lip Reading
lod01
Footballguy
Just answered the phone. It was them. My Reply: 'Go Trump, Trump is #1. Rubio sucks huge #####.'
sho nuff
Footballguy
lod01
Footballguy
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I need a bogel for the glotch.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Where do you think that train is heading?
And should it reach the destination, what is on the agenda when it gets there?
I am dead serious. If you are actually a Trump supporter, I want to know what in the world the appeal is.
RedmondLonghorn said:
He's behind Bernie for me, but the appeal is not being beholden to the establishment. Blow this #### up and let's move towards We The People debating the issues. Let's hear the People on healthcare, not Big Pharma for example.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
I have thought for a while that Sanders and Trump are actually similar in their appeal, in a lot of ways. Sanders' popularity seems to be fueld by anger and infatuation with bad ideas. Trump's seems to be just fueled by anger and a cult of personality.
What I don't get, is how anybody could actually take Trump seriously. Or think that he really cares about what "the People" think. He has already shown that he is incapable of engaging in real debate/discussion.
The man is all about him and he shows his authoritarian instincts at every turn, yet somehow people think he is a populist.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
I really liked this tweet the other day, courtesy of an RT from an FBG I follow.....
Hend Amry @LibyaLiberty Feb 27
If you're an American confusedly watching the darkest forces of ur nation rally behind a demagogue-maybe u can understand the Mid East now.
15,793 retweets 17,885 likes
Hend Amry
If you're an American confusedly watching the darkest forces of ur nation rally behind a demagogue-maybe u can understand the Mid East now.
15,793 retweets 17,885 likes
Higgs
Footballguy
A sincere question deserves a sincere answer. I actually think Trump has potential to be a great President and just what the country needs at this point in its history. He's a proven winner - been doing it his whole life. He's an extremely hard worker, has tons of energy, is very charismatic, and knows economic issues better than any President we've ever had. His views on stopping illegal immigration, securing the southern border, and keeping jobs in America are spot on. By Republican standards his views on abortion, gun control and health care are middle of the road and completely reasonable. I feel the country really has slipped into a malaise the last 15 years and it needs a kick in the pants. The country, the economy, and the people, need to be re-energized and instilled with a new spirit of fairness, hard work, and equality.RedmondLonghorn said:
Concerns are as follows... The temperament issue is big with me. He needs to develop a thicker skin and not be so combative. He needs to respect the position more and carry a more dignified tone. If he doesn't make strides in this area - soon - I will not be voting for him. But I think he will. I am also concerned that he is a bit too prideful and holds on to dead-dog issues for too long. His view on deporting all 11 million illegals is a good example. I think in Trump's mind he was going in with the absolute worst case scenario with a plan to then negotiate downward. This approach works well on most issues, but not when it crosses the line into what appears to be mean-spiritedness. I think this was a tactical mistake on his part and one which he will hopefully learn from.
What I love most about Trump is that I really do believe he is doing this for the right reasons. He is turning 70 in a couple months - a big milestone - and is undoubtedly at the stage of life where it's no longer about him and his money, it's about legacy. I really do feel that he will have the country's best interests at heart.
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I guess we already know the establishment doesn't care. With Trump there's at least hope that he might care and hope that he won't sell out like Obama did on the big domestic issues.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
I disagree with you about virtually every point you made for him on the positive side, but I appreciate the thoughtful response.
Rove!
Footballguy
The other big issue for me is decent jobs for the People. I really believe the trade deals have be written for Big Business and benefitted them the most. I don't need everything to be made in America, but a lot more could be. When I worked in the electronic connector business I saw jobs moving to Far East even when we could be competitive. The deciding factor in the domestic v. offshore decision was we didn't have to included the senior management overhead in the offshore model. Of course senior mgmt wasn't cut so the overhead factor was just spread among fewer units making those products more attractive to be moved overseas during the next cycle.
joffer
Footballguy
I'm sure he just changed his mind..http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/trump-on-his-trump-u-blog-outsourcing-jobs-not-always-a-terr#.gjBqV8Z5Xb
or he realized one demographic is more easily fooled.
or he realized one demographic is more easily fooled.
SIDA!
Footballguy
I really wish this forum had more of this in the political threads and less of the snarky arrogance between people who disagree. I am just as guilty as others on the snark, but I also try to get serious and be genuine at times. Kudos to both of you.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
I am not sure I deserve any kudos. If his response had been just as sincere, but dumber, I would have made plenty of fun of it.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
His quote on outsourcing, which could be politically damaging (if his supporters cared a bit about his real thoughts on policy or if he was honest enough to be honest at all), is probably the only insightful thing I have ever seen attributed to him.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
Free trade has its positives and negatives. It is still a net benefit to society. And protectionism generally has some pretty bad unintended consequences.
But maybe he isn't suggesting outright protectionism. Maybe he is suggesting offering economic incentives to keep jobs from leaving. A lot of people call that "corporate welfare". And, depending on the form, they may be right.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Yeah Romney is not someone to rally around, he is just another suit and tie of the privileged.lod01 said:
One of the big problems the GOP has is the GW administration produced a litany of criminals and morons. You can't throw Rove, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, Wolfowitz out there to back any of these candidates. Maybe Condoleezza? She probably doesn't want to be associated with the Bush administration or the GOP though, because it's that ####### terrible.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
I get it. Establishment sucks, and in a vacuum, it would be ideal to have a candidate not beholden to it.
That said, being anti-establishment shouldn't be the end-all-be-all. I mean, by at standard, Ted Kaczynski would have made a wonderful president. So, the rogue Trump is great for what that represents, but dig beyond that just a little bit, he has a laundry list of ideological liabilities--some so incongruent from our Republic--and divisive in rhetoric that will not help te country evolve, but instead instigate more aggressive divides. We have enough data points to reasonably suggest this may very likely be the worst president ofmour lifetime.
squistion
Footballguy
Condi has her own baggage, and those on the left have tucked away this quote for future reference if and when she resurfaces in a political campaign:
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/c/condoleezz164877.html
The problem here is that there will always be some uncertainty about how quickly Saddam can acquire nuclear weapons. But we don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Still the most respectable person in that inner circle IMO. Every politician has their baggage, but when you talk about the patriot Act/waterboarding/Guantanamo/killing Americans in mass administration of GW Bush, you take what you can get.
RedmondLonghorn
Footballguy
I am as against the political establishment (of both parties) as anybody, but ideas matter. Bernie's are terrible and Trump's (to the extent he has any real ones) are too.
squistion
Footballguy
Binky The Doormat
Footballguy
I'm essentially a republican but I would take 4 more years of Obama and run like a mother ####er.
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
TripItUp
Footballguy
Mr. Pickles
Footballguy
You looking for blog hits?Righetti said:
Steve Tasker
Footballguy
Speaking of the 9-9-9 guy, when I first saw Van Jones on CNN last night, I did a double-take thinking it was Mike Tyson impersonating Herman Cain.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
So good. That tab on his site that everyone clicked on and screamed HE HAS NO POLICIES! he just slid this one on there. The strategy is brilliant. Why not stretch out you plan one item at a time? Constantly shift the talking points, the opposition will not know which one to prepare for and whenever you want to quash or claim a news cycle just release another platform. Wow. 20 years to plan gents. And the opposition still thinks this is a joke movement they can stop with he wet his pants jokes and fake KKK affiliation.
(CNN)Donald Trump on Wednesday laid out for the first time how he will reform the U.S. health care system after repeatedly pledging to "repeal and replace Obamacare with something much better
Trump published a seven-point health care reform plan that calls for repealing Obamacare, breaking down state barriers that prevent the sale of health insurance across state lines and making individuals' health insurance premium payments fully tax deductible.
The reforms, which Trump calls "simply a place to start," are aimed at broadening access to health care, making health care more affordable and improving the quality of care, according to the plan published on Trump's campaign website.
Trump also called in his health care plan for eliminating the individual mandate, which under Obamacare requires all Americans to have health insurance and which Trump suggested he was in favor of less than two weeks ago.
"I like the mandate. Here's where I'm a little bit different. I don't want people dying in the streets," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper on February 20 during a televised town hall event.
Trump has taken fire from his fellow Republicans for suggesting that "everybody's got to be covered" and that "the government's gonna pay for it" as he said in a September interview with CBS' "60 Minutes" -- a proclamation his rivals have tried to use against Trump to suggest he is in favor of government-run health care.
Trump's plan Wednesday, though, makes no mention of Trump's calls for every American to be insured, even if the government has to pick up the tab.
Instead, Trump's plan rests on more conservative ideas, like converting Medicaid into a block-grant program that would aim to "eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources."
And while Trump has pledged to ensure that Americans who cannot afford health insurance will be covered -- in part by the government cutting "deals" with hospitals across the country -- Trump's health care plan does not touch on those ideas, instead suggesting that Trump will "reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid."
"The best social program has always been a job -- and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs," Trump writes in the plan.
Trump also links his health care proposals to his immigration proposals, which have long been the cornerstone of his presidential campaign.
"If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve health care cost pressures on state and local governments," Trump proposes in his plan.
Trump's health care plan also calls for requiring "price transparency" to allow patients to "shop and find the best prices" for their medical care and removing the barriers to entry that currently make it more difficult for cheaper drugs from overseas to enter the American health care market.
(CNN)Donald Trump on Wednesday laid out for the first time how he will reform the U.S. health care system after repeatedly pledging to "repeal and replace Obamacare with something much better
Trump published a seven-point health care reform plan that calls for repealing Obamacare, breaking down state barriers that prevent the sale of health insurance across state lines and making individuals' health insurance premium payments fully tax deductible.
The reforms, which Trump calls "simply a place to start," are aimed at broadening access to health care, making health care more affordable and improving the quality of care, according to the plan published on Trump's campaign website.
Trump also called in his health care plan for eliminating the individual mandate, which under Obamacare requires all Americans to have health insurance and which Trump suggested he was in favor of less than two weeks ago.
"I like the mandate. Here's where I'm a little bit different. I don't want people dying in the streets," Trump told CNN's Anderson Cooper on February 20 during a televised town hall event.
Trump has taken fire from his fellow Republicans for suggesting that "everybody's got to be covered" and that "the government's gonna pay for it" as he said in a September interview with CBS' "60 Minutes" -- a proclamation his rivals have tried to use against Trump to suggest he is in favor of government-run health care.
Trump's plan Wednesday, though, makes no mention of Trump's calls for every American to be insured, even if the government has to pick up the tab.
Instead, Trump's plan rests on more conservative ideas, like converting Medicaid into a block-grant program that would aim to "eliminate fraud, waste and abuse to preserve our precious resources."
And while Trump has pledged to ensure that Americans who cannot afford health insurance will be covered -- in part by the government cutting "deals" with hospitals across the country -- Trump's health care plan does not touch on those ideas, instead suggesting that Trump will "reduce the number of individuals needing access to programs like Medicaid."
"The best social program has always been a job -- and taking care of our economy will go a long way towards reducing our dependence on public health programs," Trump writes in the plan.
Trump also links his health care proposals to his immigration proposals, which have long been the cornerstone of his presidential campaign.
"If we were to simply enforce the current immigration laws and restrict the unbridled granting of visas to this country, we could relieve health care cost pressures on state and local governments," Trump proposes in his plan.
Trump's health care plan also calls for requiring "price transparency" to allow patients to "shop and find the best prices" for their medical care and removing the barriers to entry that currently make it more difficult for cheaper drugs from overseas to enter the American health care market.
Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
All this talk of a brokered convention is now quashed. The debate for the next week is about Trumps new health care plan. Oh and Cruz won a state? Did you just Trumps Obamacare replacement plan?
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skol asylum
Footballguy
Oooooh 7 points. Impressive.
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