Official 2016 GOP thread: Is it really going to be Donald Trump?? (1 Viewer)

[CBusAlex]

Penetrating their internet is all well and good, but we should also be sending in agents to infiltrate the organization itself. Are we doing this? Why won't Obama name any of our undercover agents?

 

[bakes]

@ anyone who thinks things will be vastly different with Trump/Cruz/Clinton/Sanders/Rubio as POTUS

Supreme Court appointments will be. Bernie is the choice.

Nothing really changes unless one dies when they are not suppose too. And even then, it will be next to impossible to get a conservative to replace a liberal. It is a long shot to have a major shift in the court. Even with all of Obama's appointments, the ideological makeup of the court is the same, it just has some more youthful and more ignorant liberals. Obama went for dumb and young.

Calling liberals ignorant when you have a bought and paid for tool like Thomas on the bench?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

This is towards those posting Trump is crazy, he should bow out, he's doing damage...here is my response to that.

"Why you scared bro?"

Trump is leading by not just a little but a very wide margin across the country. We will find out in IA and NH if folks are really going to vote for him or if they just say that. I do think the elite thinking style folks are seriously adverse to anything the guy says, that's fine. And I agree it was a publicity stunt at first that was going to make him a lot more famous and hated which he makes money on both sides of that. But the fact is he is here and folks are not going to just pretend he doesn't exist. He is hitting a chord with a rather large group of folks that have been beaten down by the man for the past many years. Yes I'm talking about white entitlement males ages 35 and up. Yes they're a forgotten ragtag bunch of misfits but they still vote in numbers when necessary. I would expect huge voter turnout from that voting block in both primary and general election.

 

[QuizGuy66]

What is going to happen to all of Jeb's Super PAC money? He raised over $100 million and he's got nothing to show for it. Can he give it to another candidate or does he have to go full "Dukakis After Dark" and spend it all on one big party at the end of the convention?

Ah the thing is - it's not Jeb!s. They can't coordinate with Jeb! So theoretically the powers that be that run the SuperPAC can decide Gilmore is their guy and roll all of their efforts into making him the nominee if they felt like it.

-QG

 

[QuizGuy66]

The problem is Obama seems to skirt around a lot of details. It may be happening but we sure don't hear or see much of it.

Why won't my president give me details about how they are trying to hack into ISIS innerwebs!

The biggest issue of the current age - not just politics and government but everything - is the incessant to need all plans that are going on in all things. It's the bane of the internet age. Ask any head coach

-QG

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Some of Trump's favorite words, you might want to get a dictionary.

-Good

-Bad

-Big

-Small

-Win

-Lose

-Black

-White

-Great

-Not Great

-War

-You

-A

-Tough

-Guy

-Jeb!

 

[whoknew]

The problem is Obama seems to skirt around a lot of details. It may be happening but we sure don't hear or see much of it.

Why won't my president give me details about how they are trying to hack into ISIS innerwebs!

The biggest issue of the current age - not just politics and government but everything - is the incessant to need all plans that are going on in all things. It's the bane of the internet age. Ask any head coach

-QG

Having said that, the government working in secrecy is very dangerous. That's how you get programs like the NSA reading all your text messages.

As a result, I'd rather have more openness and maybe ISIS knowing what we are doing than the NSA seeing my sweetie's nudie pics.

 

[JuniorNB]

This is towards those posting Trump is crazy, he should bow out, he's doing damage...here is my response to that.

"Why you scared bro?"

Trump is leading by not just a little but a very wide margin across the country. We will find out in IA and NH if folks are really going to vote for him or if they just say that. I do think the elite thinking style folks are seriously adverse to anything the guy says, that's fine. And I agree it was a publicity stunt at first that was going to make him a lot more famous and hated which he makes money on both sides of that. But the fact is he is here and folks are not going to just pretend he doesn't exist. He is hitting a chord with a rather large group of folks that have been beaten down by the man for the past many years. Yes I'm talking about white entitlement males ages 35 and up. Yes they're a forgotten ragtag bunch of misfits but they still vote in numbers when necessary. I would expect huge voter turnout from that voting block in both primary and general election.

The GOP has an excellent shot at regaining the Presidency in 2016. Obama's tenure has received mixed reviews at best. It is there for the taking if they can elect a good candidate. Instead, this buffoon with no plan at all, just a bunch of talking points meant to shock, is winning the imagination of conservatives just because they want something other than status quo.

We are talking about trying to elect the next leader of the free world. And a large percentage of Republicans are seriously backing a guy with the intelligence of a school custodian and the maturity of a middle school girl. Just look at his facial expressions when someone challenges him. He rolls his eyes makes goofy faces. He made fun of a crippled person a few weeks ago. Said that McCain wasn't a war hero because he got captured. He is the drunk uncle at your Christmas gathering that everyone just kind of smirks at because he's half crazy.

He talks about the constitution when defending gun owners' rights, then totally disregards it when not wanting to allow religious freedom. He makes billions because of cheap Mexican labor, but calls them rapists and wants to build a wall to keep them out. He is against gay marriage because of the sanctity of marriage, but is on wife #4. He is a complete disaster and is causing the legitimate candidates to fight amongst themselves and tiptoe around the things he says because he's like a mental patient without an ounce of diplomacy.

In an election where the GOP would have had a legitimate shot, they are going to blow it by electing Trump as their representative. Then Bill and Hillary will completely destroy him. Hillary has more intelligence in her pinky finger than Trump does. Can you imagine how flustered she'd have him in a debate? Throwing insults can only get you so far.

 

[jamny]

Did Ted Cruz Reveal Classified Information During The GOP Debate?

Staffers on the Senate Intelligence Committee are looking into whether Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) disclosed classified information during the debate, according to the committee chair.

"I'm having my staff look at the transcripts of the debate right now," Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters on Wednesday, according to The Hill. "Any time you deal with numbers... the question is 'Is that classified or not?' or is there an open source reference to it."

While Rubio and Cruz were debating each other's records on national security and surveillance, Cruz got into some details about what the bulk data program covers.

"What he knows is that the old program covered 20 percent to 30 percent of phone numbers to search for terrorists," Cruz said, referring to Rubio. "The new program covers nearly 100 percent. That gives us greater ability to stop acts of terrorism, and he knows that that’s the case."

It's not clear if Cruz, who is unpopular with many of his Senate colleagues, revealed classified information. But in his response to Cruz, Rubio noted that he did not want to say too much about the program.

"Let me be very careful when answering this, because I don’t think national television in front of 15 million people is the place to discuss classified information," Rubio said. "So let me just be very clear. There is nothing that we are allowed to do under this bill that we could not do before."

And Roll Call noted that just after Cruz made that statement, Burr's communications director indicated that the Texas senator said too much.
I like how Rubio jumped right on that.

 

[roadkill1292]

The problem is Obama seems to skirt around a lot of details. It may be happening but we sure don't hear or see much of it.

Why won't my president give me details about how they are trying to hack into ISIS innerwebs!

We just would like a scoreboard report at the end of the 1st and 3rd quarter, is that too much for everyone? Again, you can smell the elitism from the Left appearing here. Many of you put an awful lot of faith and assume things are happening that we really have no proof one way or the other.

Trump talks up winning, that's what he is talking about. How about Obama get on TV and say we destroyed this and this, we have done this and that...c'mon it's hard to even get Obama to say the word terrorism, "don't get cocky kid."

You weren't here a couple of weeks ago when we decided that a lot of loud posturing and noisy threats wasn't effective leadership. So you're embarrassing yourself with this kind of populist bluster, but only because you don't know better. If you continue, however, we will be forced to consider you an irredeemable idiot.

 

[Dickies]

Can anyone else picture Cruz alone in an apartment somewhere, smearing lipstick sloppily over his face, wearing heels and a dress, dancing slowly as Chris Issac plays in the background, while mascara runs from his tears and he stabs a doll slowly but with purpose, muttering things like, "You're not so pretty now, are you, Mr. Wiggles? Who's the belle of the ball, now, Mr. WIGGLES?"

Well,if you weren't before...

 

[Ministry of Pain]

If you are someone who feels terrorism is the No.1 priority, you gotta like Ted Cruz, he has to fill that void you have. Abrasive and as ugly as a mud fence. Not as many kids as Rubio but he does have youngsters, that's gonna connect with the middle parts of the country where family seems to have a bigger emphasis than in more urban coastal areas.

Islamic Terrorism and Jihadist come flying out of his mouth. You combine that with a very strict spending guide he keeps in his back pocket and you almost have an avalanche of far right that I would think would be voting heavily for this guy. Rubio does not excite many folks, Cruz can fire a room up quickly.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

We just would like a scoreboard report at the end of the 1st and 3rd quarter, is that too much for everyone? Again, you can smell the elitism from the Left appearing here. Many of you put an awful lot of faith and assume things are happening that we really have no proof one way or the other.


Trump talks up winning, that's what he is talking about. How about Obama get on TV and say we destroyed this and this, we have done this and that...c'mon it's hard to even get Obama to say the word terrorism, "don't get cocky kid."

You weren't here a couple of weeks ago when we decided that a lot of loud posturing and noisy threats wasn't effective leadership. So you're embarrassing yourself with this kind of populist bluster, but only because you don't know better. If you continue, however, we will be forced to consider you an irredeemable idiot.

Who is we? Again I go back to Trump's sizable lead in many polls. You can continue to make fun of him and his supporters but I think you are just giving them more fuel. The best way to stop Trump is to not put a mic in his face 24/7. I keep reading comments and Trump taking a lot of heat but not acknowledging for better or worse that he is making noise with a sizable chunk of voters. I'm not making this stuff up but I think the real panic will sart if trump wins a couple early states. That's when this will take on a whole new life of its own. Wait till Trump starts getting 100 death threats a day or god forbid it looks like he might win and there is some sort of assassination attempt. Trump riles folks up from both sides and they are pretty angry when they meet at the 50 yard line.

Trump ignites a lot of racism but obviously the racism exists before he even opens his mouth and spews gasoline on the whole thing and lights a match. I hate to say it because he will be out of this in a few weeks but Jeb kind of had it dead on at the beginning of the debate. Problem is he doesn't say it like Trump.

Ted Cruz must have a potential high cabinet position locked up. Maybe not VP mate but I could see Sec of State with a big hand in foreign policy. Not saying that's good but you can see things starting to take shape for the GOP.

Could Trump get Mitt Romney to be his VP? That would be a lot of fun and folks who might vote for Trump would feel like they are getting an outside plus a guy who also is strong in the financial sector but has political experience. Trump/Romney would be pretty centrist, simply add a Ted Cruz in one of the top cabinet posts and you have a lot of the GOP heading to the polls in droves.

 

[HellToupee]

Can anyone else picture Cruz alone in an apartment somewhere, smearing lipstick sloppily over his face, wearing heels and a dress, dancing slowly as Chris Issac plays in the background, while mascara runs from his tears and he stabs a doll slowly but with purpose, muttering things like, "You're not so pretty now, are you, Mr. Wiggles? Who's the belle of the ball, now, Mr. WIGGLES?"

Well,if you weren't before...

How un pc to the LBTG community

 

[culdeus]

Were they all required to wear navy blue suits and red ties?

And a flag pin. Always a flag pin.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Rubio needs to be ##### slapped...I don't like his smug look.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Were they all required to wear navy blue suits and red ties?

And a flag pin. Always a flag pin.

Go to Lupe Fiasco for all your flag pin analysis needs

 

[Fennis]

Were they all required to wear navy blue suits and red ties?

And a flag pin. Always a flag pin.

Go to Lupe Fiasco for all your flag pin analysis needs

was Kasich really not wearing a flag pin?

 

[jamny]

Were they all required to wear navy blue suits and red ties?

And a flag pin. Always a flag pin.

Go to Lupe Fiasco for all your flag pin analysis needs

 

[3C's]

We're gonna keep them off of OUR internet.

We'll keep them out of our internet while we penetrate theirs. Sounds like something a football coach would say.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Were they all required to wear navy blue suits and red ties?

And a flag pin. Always a flag pin.

Go to Lupe Fiasco for all your flag pin analysis needs

was Kasich really not wearing a flag pin?

I wasn't watching, but I see no reason to doubt the careful and insightful analysis of Mr. Fiasco. Guess we can cross him off the list of potential nominees.

 

[3C's]

Were they all required to wear navy blue suits and red ties?

And a flag pin. Always a flag pin.

Go to Lupe Fiasco for all your flag pin analysis needs

was Kasich really not wearing a flag pin?

I wasn't watching, but I see no reason to doubt the careful and insightful analysis of Mr. Fiasco. Guess we can cross him off the list of potential nominees.

I remember all the men having one, but don't recall one on Kasich. The novelty shops must have been closed.

 

[3C's]

Kevan Linguine @leducviolet

Fiorina: "I will defeat ISIS by becoming its CEO and mismanaging it into insolvency"

 

[roadkill1292]

We just would like a scoreboard report at the end of the 1st and 3rd quarter, is that too much for everyone? Again, you can smell the elitism from the Left appearing here. Many of you put an awful lot of faith and assume things are happening that we really have no proof one way or the other.


Trump talks up winning, that's what he is talking about. How about Obama get on TV and say we destroyed this and this, we have done this and that...c'mon it's hard to even get Obama to say the word terrorism, "don't get cocky kid."

You weren't here a couple of weeks ago when we decided that a lot of loud posturing and noisy threats wasn't effective leadership. So you're embarrassing yourself with this kind of populist bluster, but only because you don't know better. If you continue, however, we will be forced to consider you an irredeemable idiot.

Who is we? Again I go back to Trump's sizable lead in many polls. You can continue to make fun of him and his supporters but I think you are just giving them more fuel. The best way to stop Trump is to not put a mic in his face 24/7. I keep reading comments and Trump taking a lot of heat but not acknowledging for better or worse that he is making noise with a sizable chunk of voters. I'm not making this stuff up but I think the real panic will sart if trump wins a couple early states. That's when this will take on a whole new life of its own. Wait till Trump starts getting 100 death threats a day or god forbid it looks like he might win and there is some sort of assassination attempt. Trump riles folks up from both sides and they are pretty angry when they meet at the 50 yard line.

Trump ignites a lot of racism but obviously the racism exists before he even opens his mouth and spews gasoline on the whole thing and lights a match. I hate to say it because he will be out of this in a few weeks but Jeb kind of had it dead on at the beginning of the debate. Problem is he doesn't say it like Trump.

Ted Cruz must have a potential high cabinet position locked up. Maybe not VP mate but I could see Sec of State with a big hand in foreign policy. Not saying that's good but you can see things starting to take shape for the GOP.

Could Trump get Mitt Romney to be his VP? That would be a lot of fun and folks who might vote for Trump would feel like they are getting an outside plus a guy who also is strong in the financial sector but has political experience. Trump/Romney would be pretty centrist, simply add a Ted Cruz in one of the top cabinet posts and you have a lot of the GOP heading to the polls in droves.

"We" is everybody here who is smarter than you. Which is everybody.

 

[RBM]

We just would like a scoreboard report at the end of the 1st and 3rd quarter, is that too much for everyone? Again, you can smell the elitism from the Left appearing here. Many of you put an awful lot of faith and assume things are happening that we really have no proof one way or the other.

Trump talks up winning, that's what he is talking about. How about Obama get on TV and say we destroyed this and this, we have done this and that...c'mon it's hard to even get Obama to say the word terrorism, "don't get cocky kid."

You weren't here a couple of weeks ago when we decided that a lot of loud posturing and noisy threats wasn't effective leadership. So you're embarrassing yourself with this kind of populist bluster, but only because you don't know better. If you continue, however, we will be forced to consider you an irredeemable idiot.

Who is we? Again I go back to Trump's sizable lead in many polls. You can continue to make fun of him and his supporters but I think you are just giving them more fuel. The best way to stop Trump is to not put a mic in his face 24/7. I keep reading comments and Trump taking a lot of heat but not acknowledging for better or worse that he is making noise with a sizable chunk of voters. I'm not making this stuff up but I think the real panic will sart if trump wins a couple early states. That's when this will take on a whole new life of its own. Wait till Trump starts getting 100 death threats a day or god forbid it looks like he might win and there is some sort of assassination attempt. Trump riles folks up from both sides and they are pretty angry when they meet at the 50 yard line.Trump ignites a lot of racism but obviously the racism exists before he even opens his mouth and spews gasoline on the whole thing and lights a match. I hate to say it because he will be out of this in a few weeks but Jeb kind of had it dead on at the beginning of the debate. Problem is he doesn't say it like Trump.

Ted Cruz must have a potential high cabinet position locked up. Maybe not VP mate but I could see Sec of State with a big hand in foreign policy. Not saying that's good but you can see things starting to take shape for the GOP.

Could Trump get Mitt Romney to be his VP? That would be a lot of fun and folks who might vote for Trump would feel like they are getting an outside plus a guy who also is strong in the financial sector but has political experience. Trump/Romney would be pretty centrist, simply add a Ted Cruz in one of the top cabinet posts and you have a lot of the GOP heading to the polls in droves.

"We" is everybody here who is smarter than you. Which is everybody.

Your mom tell you you're the smartest little boy a lot when you were younger?Holy hell what a dip#### you are. Lol. How fn obnoxious on an anonymous message board. Jeez.

 

[SIDA!]

I think Trump was saying that he would like our home grown internet security guys(Brother just graduated with an internet security degree, class of 6) to infiltrate the ISIS network or figure out where and how they communicate and then dismantle that or use the info to try and stay 1 step ahead or just kill their ability to communicate. Trump may not explain it correctly but if you could peer in his head past all the nonsense I think you would find most folks would agree or think he has a good idea.

Does anyone really think that the US government hasn't been trying to hack ISIS since day one?

I guess it is all relative. We can't catch fake addresses on visa applications or locate the tens of thousands of federal workers who owe money to the IRS....so...who knows.

 

[the moops]

I think Trump was saying that he would like our home grown internet security guys(Brother just graduated with an internet security degree, class of 6) to infiltrate the ISIS network or figure out where and how they communicate and then dismantle that or use the info to try and stay 1 step ahead or just kill their ability to communicate. Trump may not explain it correctly but if you could peer in his head past all the nonsense I think you would find most folks would agree or think he has a good idea.

Does anyone really think that the US government hasn't been trying to hack ISIS since day one?

I guess it is all relative. We can't catch fake addresses on visa applications or locate the tens of thousands of federal workers who owe money to the IRS....so...who knows.

Is Trump planning on doing this #### himself?

 

[whoknew]

I think Trump was saying that he would like our home grown internet security guys(Brother just graduated with an internet security degree, class of 6) to infiltrate the ISIS network or figure out where and how they communicate and then dismantle that or use the info to try and stay 1 step ahead or just kill their ability to communicate. Trump may not explain it correctly but if you could peer in his head past all the nonsense I think you would find most folks would agree or think he has a good idea.

Does anyone really think that the US government hasn't been trying to hack ISIS since day one?

I guess it is all relative. We can't catch fake addresses on visa applications or locate the tens of thousands of federal workers who owe money to the IRS....so...who knows.

Is Trump planning on doing this #### himself?

Of course not. He's going to make the Mexicans do it.

 

[Todd Andrews]

Comicy fun!

 

[Trey]

Rubio will be the next POTUS if he emerges from this cluster####.

The rest won't stand a chance.

 

[BeaverCleaver]

Rubio will be the next POTUS if he emerges from this cluster####.

The rest won't stand a chance.

He will be POTUS at some point in the future.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Again I go back to Trump's sizable lead in many polls.

Its entertainment. Not substance. The polls reflect that.

 

[Sand]

Did Ted Cruz Reveal Classified Information During The GOP Debate?

Staffers on the Senate Intelligence Committee are looking into whether Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) disclosed classified information during the debate, according to the committee chair.

"I'm having my staff look at the transcripts of the debate right now," Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC), chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, told reporters on Wednesday, according to The Hill. "Any time you deal with numbers... the question is 'Is that classified or not?' or is there an open source reference to it."

While Rubio and Cruz were debating each other's records on national security and surveillance, Cruz got into some details about what the bulk data program covers.

"What he knows is that the old program covered 20 percent to 30 percent of phone numbers to search for terrorists," Cruz said, referring to Rubio. "The new program covers nearly 100 percent. That gives us greater ability to stop acts of terrorism, and he knows that that’s the case."

It's not clear if Cruz, who is unpopular with many of his Senate colleagues, revealed classified information. But in his response to Cruz, Rubio noted that he did not want to say too much about the program.

"Let me be very careful when answering this, because I don’t think national television in front of 15 million people is the place to discuss classified information," Rubio said. "So let me just be very clear. There is nothing that we are allowed to do under this bill that we could not do before."

And Roll Call noted that just after Cruz made that statement, Burr's communications director indicated that the Texas senator said too much.
I like how Rubio jumped right on that.

So now Cruz is only 998 behind the Democratic nominee.

 

[RnR]

Rubio will be the next POTUS if he emerges from this cluster####.

The rest won't stand a chance.

May he flap his ears and fly to victory like a heroic Cuban Dumbo.

Really?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Kevan Linguine @leducviolet

Fiorina: "I will defeat ISIS by becoming its CEO and mismanaging it into insolvency"

 

[Mr. Pickles]

Kevan Linguine @leducviolet

Fiorina: "I will defeat ISIS by becoming its CEO and mismanaging it into insolvency"

Twice!

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

I don't always like Scott Adams, but this is pretty good:

A Voter's Guide to Thinking

1. If you are comparing Plan A to Plan B, you might be doing a good job of thinking. But if you are comparing Plan A to an imaginary situation in which there are no tradeoffs in life, you are not thinking.

2. If you see quotes taken out of context, and you form an opinion anyway, that's probably not thinking. If you believe you need no further context because there is only one imaginable explanation for the meaning of the quotes, you might have a poor imagination. Sometimes a poor imagination feels a lot like knowledge, but it's closer to the opposite.

3. If a debate lends itself to estimates of cost (in money or human suffering) and you aren't willing to offer an estimate in support of your opinion, you don't yet have an opinion.

4. If you are sure you know how a leader performed during his or her tenure, and you don't know how someone else would have performed in the same situation, you don't actually know anything. It just feels like you do.

5. If something reminds you of something else (such as Hitler, to pick one example) that doesn't mean you are thinking. That just means something reminded you of something. A strong association of that type can prevent you from thinking, but it is not itself a component of reason.

6. Analogies are not an element of reason. Analogies are good for explaining things to people who are new to a topic. If I am busy as a beaver, that does not imply that I also build dams by gnawing on wood. It just means I'm busy.

7. If you think your well-informed and reasoned opinions as a voter are bringing up the average, let me introduce you to the 100% of other voters who believe they are bringing up the average as well.

8. If your opinion is based on your innate ability to predict the future, you might be employing more magical thinking than reason. The exceptions would be the people who use data to predict the future, such as Nate Silver. That stuff is credible albeit imperfect by nature. Your imagination is less reliable.

 

[The General]

Watched about 30 minutes of the Rep debate and pains me to say that Donald sounded like he has really been practicing, toned down his crazy stuff and tightened up some of his lines.

All the other dudes are playing for second.

Rand also sounded good. I can't believe hasn't gotten more traction with his fiscal conservative schtick.

Bush seriously can't put a line together without stammering or misspeaking, really hard to watch him - you can also see some of W's odd mannerisms when he talks.

Carly makes Hillary seem warm, cudly, and fun to hang with.

Kasich is a total goob. Liked him in interviews and on topics but his debate style has been no bueno.

Rubio, Christie I didn't see much. What I did was the same stuff from before. Rubio is very car sales guy to me but I don't agree with much that he says. If you like his message he is the best speaker out of all of them.

 

[JuniorNB]

Watched about 30 minutes of the Rep debate and pains me to say that Donald sounded like he has really been practicing, toned down his crazy stuff and tightened up some of his lines.

All the other dudes are playing for second.

Rand also sounded good. I can't believe hasn't gotten more traction with his fiscal conservative schtick.

Bush seriously can't put a line together without stammering or misspeaking, really hard to watch him - you can also see some of W's odd mannerisms when he talks.

Carly makes Hillary seem warm, cudly, and fun to hang with.

Kasich is a total goob. Liked him in interviews and on topics but his debate style has been no bueno.

Rubio, Christie I didn't see much. What I did was the same stuff from before. Rubio is very car sales guy to me but I don't agree with much that he says. If you like his message he is the best speaker out of all of them.

You watched the debate and Trump impressed you? That means you supported him all along. No way in hell a level headed human came away from that impressed by Trump.

 

[TobiasFunke]

Watched about 30 minutes of the Rep debate and pains me to say that Donald sounded like he has really been practicing, toned down his crazy stuff and tightened up some of his lines.

All the other dudes are playing for second.

Rand also sounded good. I can't believe hasn't gotten more traction with his fiscal conservative schtick.

Bush seriously can't put a line together without stammering or misspeaking, really hard to watch him - you can also see some of W's odd mannerisms when he talks.

Carly makes Hillary seem warm, cudly, and fun to hang with.

Kasich is a total goob. Liked him in interviews and on topics but his debate style has been no bueno.

Rubio, Christie I didn't see much. What I did was the same stuff from before. Rubio is very car sales guy to me but I don't agree with much that he says. If you like his message he is the best speaker out of all of them.

You watched the debate and Trump impressed you? That means you supported him all along. No way in hell a level headed human came away from that impressed by Trump.

Settle down, man. He said Trump looked sounded like he has been practicing and had tightened up the crazy stuff a bit, not that Trump impressed him. Totally different.

From what I remember about The General I seriously doubt he supports or is impressed by Trump.

 

[Don Quixote]

I'm not sure where to put this, but PFTCommenter wearing a Glen Rice jersey to a pre-debate event with Sarah Palin, and getting his picture taken with her, deserves to be put somewhere: http://www.sbnation.com/2015/12/16/10135234/is-donald-trump-trying-to-ruin-the-internet-vegas-gop-debate

Reporter tweet during the event

ETA: Back story, for those who don't know.

 

[JuniorNB]

Watched about 30 minutes of the Rep debate and pains me to say that Donald sounded like he has really been practicing, toned down his crazy stuff and tightened up some of his lines.

All the other dudes are playing for second.

Rand also sounded good. I can't believe hasn't gotten more traction with his fiscal conservative schtick.

Bush seriously can't put a line together without stammering or misspeaking, really hard to watch him - you can also see some of W's odd mannerisms when he talks.

Carly makes Hillary seem warm, cudly, and fun to hang with.

Kasich is a total goob. Liked him in interviews and on topics but his debate style has been no bueno.

Rubio, Christie I didn't see much. What I did was the same stuff from before. Rubio is very car sales guy to me but I don't agree with much that he says. If you like his message he is the best speaker out of all of them.

You watched the debate and Trump impressed you? That means you supported him all along. No way in hell a level headed human came away from that impressed by Trump.

Settle down, man. He said Trump looked sounded like he has been practicing and had tightened up the crazy stuff a bit, not that Trump impressed him. Totally different.

From what I remember about The General I seriously doubt he supports or is impressed by Trump.

I hope you're right. All I noticed was horrible, juvenile facial expressions and body language. He really needs coaching on how to act like an adult. He's running for President for crying out loud.

 

[The General]

Watched about 30 minutes of the Rep debate and pains me to say that Donald sounded like he has really been practicing, toned down his crazy stuff and tightened up some of his lines.

All the other dudes are playing for second.

Rand also sounded good. I can't believe hasn't gotten more traction with his fiscal conservative schtick.

Bush seriously can't put a line together without stammering or misspeaking, really hard to watch him - you can also see some of W's odd mannerisms when he talks.

Carly makes Hillary seem warm, cudly, and fun to hang with.

Kasich is a total goob. Liked him in interviews and on topics but his debate style has been no bueno.

Rubio, Christie I didn't see much. What I did was the same stuff from before. Rubio is very car sales guy to me but I don't agree with much that he says. If you like his message he is the best speaker out of all of them.

You watched the debate and Trump impressed you? That means you supported him all along. No way in hell a level headed human came away from that impressed by Trump.

Settle down, man. He said Trump looked sounded like he has been practicing and had tightened up the crazy stuff a bit, not that Trump impressed him. Totally different.

From what I remember about The General I seriously doubt he supports or is impressed by Trump.

I hope you're right. All I noticed was horrible, juvenile facial expressions and body language. He really needs coaching on how to act like an adult. He's running for President for crying out loud.

Yup, I'm not a Trump guy. Don't get the fascination in the least. To me he is a creepy, boorish, guy with no class. Very little chance he's changing that. Thought months ago he would slow down and eventually drop out and blame the media. When he survived the McCain stuff - a draft dodger bashing a Vet, thought that would be like being in ISIS to a republican voter - I was pretty surprised. Then he just kept going. The more outrageous the better his numbers got. Shows what I know.

Someone pointed pages ago that most people in here are following this closer than the average voter so perhaps his numbers will drop as it gets closer. Thought that made sense but don't really see how that time hasn't past.

If I were a conservative voter I'd be on Rand. He's a bit nuts about "big government" and has the budget issues I would think would be popular.

 

[JuniorNB]

Watched about 30 minutes of the Rep debate and pains me to say that Donald sounded like he has really been practicing, toned down his crazy stuff and tightened up some of his lines.

All the other dudes are playing for second.

Rand also sounded good. I can't believe hasn't gotten more traction with his fiscal conservative schtick.

Bush seriously can't put a line together without stammering or misspeaking, really hard to watch him - you can also see some of W's odd mannerisms when he talks.

Carly makes Hillary seem warm, cudly, and fun to hang with.

Kasich is a total goob. Liked him in interviews and on topics but his debate style has been no bueno.

Rubio, Christie I didn't see much. What I did was the same stuff from before. Rubio is very car sales guy to me but I don't agree with much that he says. If you like his message he is the best speaker out of all of them.

You watched the debate and Trump impressed you? That means you supported him all along. No way in hell a level headed human came away from that impressed by Trump.

Settle down, man. He said Trump looked sounded like he has been practicing and had tightened up the crazy stuff a bit, not that Trump impressed him. Totally different.

From what I remember about The General I seriously doubt he supports or is impressed by Trump.

I hope you're right. All I noticed was horrible, juvenile facial expressions and body language. He really needs coaching on how to act like an adult. He's running for President for crying out loud.

Yup, I'm not a Trump guy. Don't get the fascination in the least. To me he is a creepy, boorish, guy with no class. Very little chance he's changing that.Thought months ago he would slow down and eventually drop out and blame the media. When he survived the McCain stuff - a draft dodger bashing a Vet, thought that would be like being in ISIS to a republican voter - I was pretty surprised. Then he just kept going. The more outrageous the better his numbers got. Shows what I know.

Someone pointed pages ago that most people in here are following this closer than the average voter so perhaps his numbers will drop as it gets closer. Thought that made sense but don't really see how that time hasn't past.

If I were a conservative voter I'd be on Rand. He's a bit nuts about "big government" and has the budget issues I would think would be popular.

His racist and alarmist views are resonating with the racist alarmists. I think you're right though, when push comes to shove, I can't imagine many people would really want this guy representing our country on the world stage or making decisions that will effect us all.

 

[timschochet]

I've read the "when push comes to shove they won't support Trump" argument for months now. Heck I've made it myself. We're very close to finding out. But his poll numbers have remained rock solid.

 

[The General]

Watched about 30 minutes of the Rep debate and pains me to say that Donald sounded like he has really been practicing, toned down his crazy stuff and tightened up some of his lines.

All the other dudes are playing for second.

Rand also sounded good. I can't believe hasn't gotten more traction with his fiscal conservative schtick.

Bush seriously can't put a line together without stammering or misspeaking, really hard to watch him - you can also see some of W's odd mannerisms when he talks.

Carly makes Hillary seem warm, cudly, and fun to hang with.

Kasich is a total goob. Liked him in interviews and on topics but his debate style has been no bueno.

Rubio, Christie I didn't see much. What I did was the same stuff from before. Rubio is very car sales guy to me but I don't agree with much that he says. If you like his message he is the best speaker out of all of them.

You watched the debate and Trump impressed you? That means you supported him all along. No way in hell a level headed human came away from that impressed by Trump.

Settle down, man. He said Trump looked sounded like he has been practicing and had tightened up the crazy stuff a bit, not that Trump impressed him. Totally different.

From what I remember about The General I seriously doubt he supports or is impressed by Trump.

I hope you're right. All I noticed was horrible, juvenile facial expressions and body language. He really needs coaching on how to act like an adult. He's running for President for crying out loud.

Yup, I'm not a Trump guy. Don't get the fascination in the least. To me he is a creepy, boorish, guy with no class. Very little chance he's changing that.Thought months ago he would slow down and eventually drop out and blame the media. When he survived the McCain stuff - a draft dodger bashing a Vet, thought that would be like being in ISIS to a republican voter - I was pretty surprised. Then he just kept going. The more outrageous the better his numbers got. Shows what I know.

Someone pointed pages ago that most people in here are following this closer than the average voter so perhaps his numbers will drop as it gets closer. Thought that made sense but don't really see how that time hasn't past.

If I were a conservative voter I'd be on Rand. He's a bit nuts about "big government" and has the budget issues I would think would be popular.

His racist and alarmist views are resonating with the racist alarmists. I think you're right though, when push comes to shove, I can't imagine many people would really want this guy representing our country on the world stage or making decisions that will effect us all.

Think he's way past just racists and alarmists - alarmists I suppose could be a bit broad of a term though. He is polling at crazy high numbers.I don't get it at all but it takes all kinds. With the way Hillary brings out the hate who knows what happens when it's her versus Trump. Pretty crazy.

 

[Don Quixote]

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls 5m5 minutes ago

30% of Republican primary voters nationally say they support bombing Agrabah. Agrabah is the country from Aladdin.

ETA: Poll is here. Q38.

 

[Rove!]

I don't always like Scott Adams, but this is pretty good:A Voter's Guide to Thinking

1. If you are comparing Plan A to Plan B, you might be doing a good job of thinking. But if you are comparing Plan A to an imaginary situation in which there are no tradeoffs in life, you are not thinking.

2. If you see quotes taken out of context, and you form an opinion anyway, that's probably not thinking. If you believe you need no further context because there is only one imaginable explanation for the meaning of the quotes, you might have a poor imagination. Sometimes a poor imagination feels a lot like knowledge, but it's closer to the opposite.

3. If a debate lends itself to estimates of cost (in money or human suffering) and you aren't willing to offer an estimate in support of your opinion, you don't yet have an opinion.

4. If you are sure you know how a leader performed during his or her tenure, and you don't know how someone else would have performed in the same situation, you don't actually know anything. It just feels like you do.

5. If something reminds you of something else (such as Hitler, to pick one example) that doesn't mean you are thinking. That just means something reminded you of something. A strong association of that type can prevent you from thinking, but it is not itself a component of reason.

6. Analogies are not an element of reason. Analogies are good for explaining things to people who are new to a topic. If I am busy as a beaver, that does not imply that I also build dams by gnawing on wood. It just means I'm busy.

7. If you think your well-informed and reasoned opinions as a voter are bringing up the average, let me introduce you to the 100% of other voters who believe they are bringing up the average as well.

8. If your opinion is based on your innate ability to predict the future, you might be employing more magical thinking than reason. The exceptions would be the people who use data to predict the future, such as Nate Silver. That stuff is credible albeit imperfect by nature. Your imagination is less reliable.

Re number 4: how can we ever evaluate how somebody else would do the same situation? Situations are fluid.

 

[CBusAlex]

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls 5m5 minutes ago

30% of Republican primary voters nationally say they support bombing Agrabah. Agrabah is the country from Aladdin.

ETA: Poll is here. Q38.

Some really scary stuff in that poll.

Q36 Do you think the religion of Islam should be

legal or illegal in the United States?

53% Islam should be legal in the United States

26% Islam should be illegal in the United States

21% Not sure

 

[Don Quixote]

PublicPolicyPolling ‏@ppppolls 5m5 minutes ago

30% of Republican primary voters nationally say they support bombing Agrabah. Agrabah is the country from Aladdin.

ETA: Poll is here. Q38.

Some really scary stuff in that poll.

Q36 Do you think the religion of Islam should be

legal or illegal in the United States?

53% Islam should be legal in the United States

26% Islam should be illegal in the United States

21% Not sure

Yeah, I noticed that. As well as 28% support for Japanese internment during WWII.

Although, it is kind of interesting that 80% support barring people on the terrorist watch list from purchasing firearms.