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*Official 2018 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Tough way to go out. Magic finally gone. (6 Viewers)

I don’t know who Lil’ Dicky is......but I like him.  
He's a local rapper who is on youtube.  But he tweeted Beasley and said: "The best rapper in the NFL until I join a squad @Bease11".

Beasley responded: "Haha I appreciate bro.  Come to the boys."

Lil Dicky responded: "I'd rather play in the XFL than join that piece of #### organization."

 
He's a local rapper who is on youtube.  But he tweeted Beasley and said: "The best rapper in the NFL until I join a squad @Bease11".

Beasley responded: "Haha I appreciate bro.  Come to the boys."

Lil Dicky responded: "I'd rather play in the XFL than join that piece of #### organization."
Haha that is awesome!

 
Eagles' White House visit has been set for June 5.

Below is Wentz's take on attendance. I respect that, even though he supports going, he still is qualifying he wouldn't go without team support. I do think that this case is a little different than for other sports because the president called some of their peers sons of #####es. Nonetheless, I respect people's individual opinions and choices regarding attendance.

"“For me, personally, if the team decides as a whole, most guys want to go or be a part of it, I’ll be attending with them,” Wentz said. “I think it’s just a cool way to receive the honor nationally and be recognized. I don’t personally view it – I know some people do; everyone has their opinion on it – I don’t view it as a political thing whatsoever. I don’t mess with politics very often. But I will be involved in going. The rest of the details will be coming out soon.”

 
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Eagles' White House visit has been set for June 5.

Below is Wentz's take on attendance. I respect that, even though he supports going, he still is qualifying he wouldn't go without team support. I do think that this case is a little different than for other sports because the president called some of their peers sons of #####es. Nonetheless, I respect people's individual opinions and choices regarding attendance.

"“For me, personally, if the team decides as a whole, most guys want to go or be a part of it, I’ll be attending with them,” Wentz said. “I think it’s just a cool way to receive the honor nationally and be recognized. I don’t personally view it – I know some people do; everyone has their opinion on it – I don’t view it as a political thing whatsoever. I don’t mess with politics very often. But I will be involved in going. The rest of the details will be coming out soon.”
I think this is the main thing that the players are respecting and won't go without team support. I just think like you said this is different considering Trump's comments. Yesterday he went on some mumble jumbo rant about NASCAR fans being the best because they stand for the flag. Another attempted pot shot at NFL and athletes protesting the flag. He was honoring I think whoever won the title last year but his comments made no sense as this was more about athletes not standing. Obviously he was trying to just stir the pot and give a nice hand job to a part of his fanbase that is very involved with that type of entertainment though. I just find his overall comments on the situation disrespectful and embarrassing since this is a guy who skipped the draft with apparent "bone spurs", disrespects veterans like McCain (I don't always agree with the man but I respect the dude for fighting for our country), disrespects a gold star recipient because he's a Muslim, etc etc. It's hypocrisy at it's finest and nothing more then to rile up his supporters. Give the devil his do but this guy played his supporters like a fiddle. He won because he played off what matters most to them and their feelings. This is a tactic that got Hitler elected in Germany and got the Third Riech so much power. The other side got a little too casual and started to let some out there people go. Plus I don't think a lot of Liberals were big fans of HRC. I'm not comparing Trump to Hitler other then the fact how they got into power with similar type campaign strategies there. Either way I just find his whole playing off patriotism thing bogus and hypocritical. I wouldn't go because to me there's just no talking to him plus it gives him a photo op to stroke his ego. I wouldn't want to be part of that and would feel dirty to the point I'd be washing myself for a whole week to get that stench off of me. 

 
Yeah cut.  I guess his contract made it impossible to work a trade.  Cap savings is $4.4 mil.  Let him go now with a decent chance to sign somewhere else.
Wonder if that was done prior to OTAs starting today (doubt they had him go through all those drills, then cut him; probably told him when he reported this morning), and before that new LB, Worrilow went down with an injury.

 
Yeah cut.  I guess his contract made it impossible to work a trade.  Cap savings is $4.4 mil.  Let him go now with a decent chance to sign somewhere else.
yea - damn that 2012 draft was a good one though.  Fletcher Cox, Michal Kendricks, Vinny Curry, Nick Foles.  Obviously Marvin McNutt didn't work out, but still...

 
Wonder if that was done prior to OTAs starting today (doubt they had him go through all those drills, then cut him; probably told him when he reported this morning), and before that new LB, Worrilow went down with an injury.
Or maybe this was done so they could sign someone to replace Worrilow...

 
yea - damn that 2012 draft was a good one though.  Fletcher Cox, Michal Kendricks, Vinny Curry, Nick Foles.  Obviously Marvin McNutt didn't work out, but still...
We also took Bryce Brown in the 7th round who wasn't terrible. Thought if the Eagles could fix his fumbling issues he'd be a solid player with Shady with a one two punch. Thunder and Lightening type duo. 

 
Not gonna lie, really surprised by the release. Could we not have made the cap work this year?  With Hicks' injury history, and losing Worrilow for the year, this leaves LB extremely thin. 

In better news, was a little (pleasantly) surprised to see Carson out there today doing individual drills. Would think from individual drills to being game ready in the 15 weeks before kickoff seems likely. 

 
Wow interesting. 

Back in March, Cleveland offered pick 35 to Philly for Foles. They asked Foles about it who said he'd rather stay in Philly and Howie declined the trade. 

 
Cant blame bd nick
Guess I'm just surprised he didn't want a starting gig. Trying to play devil's advocate, the negative side could be that he doesn't think he's ready to start outside this system with less weapons.  And that Howie might have taken pick 35 for him if he agreed (I'll never believe he's worth 2 1sts no matter what people say)

The positives and more likely scenario is that he's smart to know what kind of situation he'll thrive in, and thinks he will get that next offseason. Or better yet for both of us, that a contender loses their qb in the first 8 weeks, Carson is healthy and killing it, and we're able to get something more than pick 35 for him. This is the dream scenario for Nick and the Eagles I'd think. 

 
Guess I'm just surprised he didn't want a starting gig. Trying to play devil's advocate, the negative side could be that he doesn't think he's ready to start outside this system with less weapons.  And that Howie might have taken pick 35 for him if he agreed (I'll never believe he's worth 2 1sts no matter what people say)

The positives and more likely scenario is that he's smart to know what kind of situation he'll thrive in, and thinks he will get that next offseason. Or better yet for both of us, that a contender loses their qb in the first 8 weeks, Carson is healthy and killing it, and we're able to get something more than pick 35 for him. This is the dream scenario for Nick and the Eagles I'd think. 
Foles just won a Super Bowl and likely will get starts next year, why would he want to leave Philly for the dumpster fire in Cleveland. If I’m Foles and the Eagles are being gracious and giving me a choice, I’m going to put myself in the situation that is most likely to make me look good (in this case, keep looking good) and get paid big next season. Going to Cleveland where QBs go to fail is not the way to get a solid contract offer for next year

 
Good for Foles and a well done by Howie. I’m all about maximizing assets but this is a situation that throws most aspects of roster evaluation out the window. Foles won the first SB in franchise history. He deserves the right to call his shot within reason. Then Howie guarantees his 2018 contract. Howie just gets it. ??

 
Foles just won a Super Bowl and likely will get starts next year, why would he want to leave Philly for the dumpster fire in Cleveland. If I’m Foles and the Eagles are being gracious and giving me a choice, I’m going to put myself in the situation that is most likely to make me look good (in this case, keep looking good) and get paid big next season. Going to Cleveland where QBs go to fail is not the way to get a solid contract offer for next year
For sure.  And maybe he thought that Cleve was still going to draft a QB#1 and he'd only be a gap player there (likely would have been the case).  Seems like a smart move for him for sure.  I'm not so sure he's likely to start games next year though, nor do I think being a backup is going to increase his value.

Still sticking with the best scenario for everyone, being an injury and trade in first 8 weeks similar to the Bradford situation

 
Just keeps on getting better. He's already sidelined with a broken foot and he's driving while intoxicated? Meanwhile the other WR thinks he's Eminem. Maybe the team needs to have their players get their priorities straight. No wonder Dez left. Poor guy
Dez got cut.

 
For sure.  And maybe he thought that Cleve was still going to draft a QB#1 and he'd only be a gap player there (likely would have been the case).  Seems like a smart move for him for sure.  I'm not so sure he's likely to start games next year though, nor do I think being a backup is going to increase his value.

Still sticking with the best scenario for everyone, being an injury and trade in first 8 weeks similar to the Bradford situation
Even if he doesn’t touch the field next year because Wentz is back, he just won a Super Bowl and Super Bowl mvp for that team, his value will be high and staying in the place that keeps teams aware of that is going to get him paid

 
Even if he doesn’t touch the field next year because Wentz is back, he just won a Super Bowl and Super Bowl mvp for that team, his value will be high and staying in the place that keeps teams aware of that is going to get him paid
Maybe, but it certainly is not going to INCREASE his value is what I said. His value is at its highest right now.  The reigning superbowl mvp is more valuable then the guy that won it 2 years ago and hasn't played a snap since.

Again though, I feel like a midseason trade will happen as soon as Ben or Rivers or Bortles goes down.

 
For sure.  And maybe he thought that Cleve was still going to draft a QB#1 and he'd only be a gap player there (likely would have been the case).  Seems like a smart move for him for sure.  I'm not so sure he's likely to start games next year though, nor do I think being a backup is going to increase his value.

Still sticking with the best scenario for everyone, being an injury and trade in first 8 weeks similar to the Bradford situation
Yea, considering what Foles went through with the Rams - he knew Cleveland would be a career killer.  They were gonna draft a QB #1 regardless.  He's probably hoping he can go to a better overall team next year, and have the chance to be the  guy for a few years.

My uninformed guess:  if Cincinnati has another ho-hum year, Dalton is gone - might see them bring in Foles.  Not many other starting gigs left though - a lot filled up this year.  Pats/Chargers/Giants/Saints of course if any of their entrenched starters retires, but who knows there.

 
I'm not so sure Cleveland would've taken a QB at 1 if they were willing to give a high 2nd round pick for Foles. In fact, I seriously doubt it.

The Browns traded for Tyrod, but the 65th overall pick for a temporary starter/decent backup & also taking Mayfield passes the smell test, but giving a high 2nd & also taking a QB at 1, especially in the salary cap era, does NOT pass the smell test, IMO.

I know Howie asked Foles about it, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was going to do whatever Foles wanted. I'm surprised Howie passed on that pick. It would've brought in an outstanding prospect on a rookie deal. Howie is gambling he can get more, but that's a very good return for a QB like Foles & there's no guarantee you'll get that kind of offer again.

Interesting decision.

 
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I know Howie asked Foles about it, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was going to do whatever Foles wanted. I'm surprised Howie passed on that pick. It would've brought in an outstanding prospect on a rookie deal. Howie is gambling he can get more, but that's a very nice deal for a QB like Foles & there's no guarantee you'll get that kind of offer again.

Interesting decision.
Many people thought it would take at minimum a 1st for Howie to move Foles given the uncertainty surrounding Wentz and not much depth behind him.  As it played out, Howie moved back and got a '19 second and still took a player most would have been ok with had he took him at 32, while keeping the SB MVP for insurance.  Plus being the quality organization they are, they gave Foles a nice chunk of change for his efforts.

 
The other dynamic is whether Foles screwed up. No way the Browns give a high 2nd for Foles & go QB at 1.

If Howie really did leave it up to Foles, it was a huge opportunity to be the starting QB for a team with a TON of potential. Look at the weapons Mayfield will have to work with. Raw talent-wise, it's one of the best situations in the league & they have the makings of a decent OL. They also have good raw talent on the other side of the ball.

I'm not sure what Foles is looking for. No guarantee he gets another chance. What if Wentz goes down again & Foles blows it? It's not like he's got a ton of raw talent. Foles' star would dim considerably should that happen. I would've taken it & ran if I was him.

 
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The other dynamic is whether Foles screwed up. No way the Browns give a high 2nd for Foles & go QB at 1.

If Howie really did leave it up to Foles, it was a huge opportunity to be the starting QB for a team with a TON of potential. Look at the weapons Mayfield will have to work with. Raw talent-wise, it's one of the best situations in the league & they have the makings of a decent OL. They also have good raw talent on the other side of the ball.

I'm not sure what Foles is looking for. No guarantee he gets another chance. What if Wentz goes down again & Foles blows it? It's not like he's got a ton of raw talent. Foles' star would dim considerably should that happen. I would've taken it & ran if I was him.
By all appearances Foles is in a pretty happy place right now. He was on the verge of retirement this time last year and now he's got starting QB on a SB winning team as his personal accomplishments (and the SB MVP no less).  The team paid him a nice bonus and he opted to stay in a place he likes.  He's probably pretty secure financially and there's a lot to be said for comfort and happiness.  Plus he knows this is Carson's team and he's shown no signs of starting any QB controversy.

 
I'm not so sure Cleveland would've taken a QB at 1 if they were willing to give a high 2nd round pick for Foles. In fact, I seriously doubt it.

The Browns traded for Tyrod, but the 65th overall pick for a temporary starter/decent backup & also taking Mayfield passes the smell test, but giving a high 2nd & also taking a QB at 1, especially in the salary cap era, DOESN'T pass the smell test, IMO.

I know Howie asked Foles about it, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was going to do whatever Foles wanted. I'm surprised Howie passed on that pick. It would've brought in an outstanding prospect on a rookie deal. Howie is gambling he can get more, but that's a very good return for a QB like Foles & there's no guarantee you'll get that kind of offer again.

Interesting decision.
I don't think Howie is Gambling he can get more. A GM has to weigh draft picks for the future vs. players for the present. Howie is keeping Foles because he thinks the Eagles can still be a contender even if Wentz is not healthy. The playoffs last year support his decision.

 
I don't think Howie is Gambling he can get more. A GM has to weigh draft picks for the future vs. players for the present. Howie is keeping Foles because he thinks the Eagles can still be a contender even if Wentz is not healthy. The playoffs last year support his decision.
Agreed, but Howie is obviously testing the market so ideally, he would like to move Foles.

I'm just saying that deal is hard to pass up for a player like Foles.

 
The other dynamic is whether Foles screwed up. No way the Browns give a high 2nd for Foles & go QB at 1.

If Howie really did leave it up to Foles, it was a huge opportunity to be the starting QB for a team with a TON of potential. Look at the weapons Mayfield will have to work with. Raw talent-wise, it's one of the best situations in the league & they have the makings of a decent OL. They also have good raw talent on the other side of the ball.

I'm not sure what Foles is looking for. No guarantee he gets another chance. What if Wentz goes down again & Foles blows it? It's not like he's got a ton of raw talent. Foles' star would dim considerably should that happen. I would've taken it & ran if I was him.
I think Foles knows  that his chances of success with Doug Pederson and the Eagles Supporting cast is greater than his chance of success with Hue Jackson and the Browns supporting cast. One is proven, the other is lots of "potential" with a coach who is 1-31 in the last 2 years.

As to the bolded, I remind you that Foles has the 3rd highest passer rating for a passer in a season, has a QB rating of over 100.0 in all 4 of his playoff games, and was Super Bowl MVP. He either has talent, or he is the most clutch athlete ever at getting the most out of his limited skills.

 
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By all appearances Foles is in a pretty happy place right now. He was on the verge of retirement this time last year and now he's got starting QB on a SB winning team as his personal accomplishments (and the SB MVP no less).  The team paid him a nice bonus and he opted to stay in a place he likes.  He's probably pretty secure financially and there's a lot to be said for comfort and happiness.  Plus he knows this is Carson's team and he's shown no signs of starting any QB controversy.
Maybe Foles is content with being a longterm backup.

It's actually a pretty good gig.

 
I'm not so sure Cleveland would've taken a QB at 1 if they were willing to give a high 2nd round pick for Foles. In fact, I seriously doubt it.

The Browns traded for Tyrod, but the 65th overall pick for a temporary starter/decent backup & also taking Mayfield passes the smell test, but giving a high 2nd & also taking a QB at 1, especially in the salary cap era, DOESN'T pass the smell test, IMO.

I know Howie asked Foles about it, but that doesn't necessarily mean he was going to do whatever Foles wanted. I'm surprised Howie passed on that pick. It would've brought in an outstanding prospect on a rookie deal. Howie is gambling he can get more, but that's a very good return for a QB like Foles & there's no guarantee you'll get that kind of offer again.

Interesting decision.
I don't think Howie is Gambling he can get more. A GM has to weigh draft picks for the future vs. players for the present. Howie is keeping Foles because he thinks the Eagles can still be a contender even if Wentz is not healthy. The playoffs last year support his decision.
Considering Foles is a free agent after this year I don't think Howie's trying for a larger haul.  Sure there's always dead line deals but I think QBs don't move very often in-season.  So yeah I agree with you, this is all about maximizing this season's prospects.

 
I think Foles knows  that his chances of success with Doug Pederson and the Eagles Supporting cast is greater than his chance of success with Hue Jackson and the Browns supporting cast. One is proven, the other is lots of "potential" with a coach who is 1-31 in the last 2 years.

As to the bolded, I remind you that Foles has the 3rd highest passer rating for a passer in a season, has a QB rating of over 100.0 in all 4 of this playoff games, and was Super Bowl MVP. He either has talent, or he is the most clutch athlete ever at getting the most out of his limited skills.
I think Foles' timing was brilliant. He's not an overly gifted QB by any means, but Foles did play well at the right time.

 
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You typically don't get the kind of offer Cleveland proposed unless it's known the player is on the block (whether officially advertised or not).

 
He's not testing the market & taking offers for Foles?

I thought that was understood.
When asked about the potential trade of Foles, it's always telling when the answer isn't something similar to, "Trade Foles?!?! What?!? Get out of here!" Clearly the Eagles would trade Foles for the right offer, and according to Roseman, the "right offer" is an expensive one.

"When you talk about certain rounds (in the draft), there's a percentage of hitting on guys," Roseman explained. "We know what we have (in Foles). That allows us the ability to feel very good about the most important position on sports. And so for us to get rid of something like that, that's going to be a high price tag."

So yeah, make him an offer he can't refuse.  Its obviously more than a high 2nd.

 
Ok. I think some of that is GM-speak, though.

Bottom line, I'm still a little surprised Howie didn't jump on that offer all things considered (with Wentz looking like he'll be good to go & Foles being a FA in 2019).

 
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great...looks like this thread is heading in the exact direction of the goedert thread.  absolutely brutal.   you guys wanna stop engaging him?   probably wont stop it but it's worth a try

 
great...looks like this thread is heading in the exact direction of the goedert thread.  absolutely brutal.   you guys wanna stop engaging him?   probably wont stop it but it's worth a try
Wow. What's your problem? Get a grip.

As far as I can tell, this debate is going rather smoothly.

Like I said before, I'll continue to post about things I'm interested in. You guys certainly have the option of not discussing it if you want.

Either way is ok with me. 

 
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Ok. I think some of that is GM-speak, though.

Bottom line, I'm still a little surprised Howie didn't jump on that offer all things considered (with Wentz looking like he'll be good to go & Foles being an FA in 2019).
Its possible too that if Wentz continues to show he's ahead of schedule a trade could be more likely than it was at the draft. Keeping in mind he still hasn't been medically cleared.

But I think the price would still be high.

 

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