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*Official 2018 Super Bowl Champion Philadelphia Eagles* - Tough way to go out. Magic finally gone. (1 Viewer)

@dhockster

I like LVE & there was good reason for the pick, but if it were me, I would've taken a WR in round 1. The exact idea I had was to take Sutton, but possibly trade down a bit & gain compensation.

That said, it's hard to argue what Will McClay has been doing. Another factor is unlike Philly, we weren't coming off a Super Bowl win & will have a ton of money free up next year. For a young, up & coming team like the Cowboys, you can definitely make a case it's best to go get your stud WR in FA in 2019. For one, we won't have to wait on him to develop.
Thanks for your well thought out response. The bolded indicates that you are deferring to McClay's judgement because you have been happy with his record so far. The same goes for us Eagle fans with what Roseman has done. Isn't a Super Bowl Championship with a second year head coach and without your MVP QB, your all-pro left tackle, and starting MLB some indication that Roseman knows how to build a solid, deep, talented roster?

 
Up and coming?  What are you basing that on?  The nucleus of the team is Prescott, Elliott, and Lee. They were 13-3 two years ago, didn't make the playoffs last year, and look to be pretty bad this year. They are going the opposite direction of a team on the rise.  Prescott may be the worst starter in football. His stats over the past 16 games are horrendous. Lee is getting old and may be more brittle than Romo was.  A team who still doesn't have a QB is not and up and coming team. 
When you leave out our OL talent & Lawrence, all critical positions in the NFL, as well as our other young talent on D, it kinda shows why there can't be reasonable discussion in here. That said, I get it & it's ok.

The Cowboys have a ton of YOUNG talent. As far as WR, a position we certainly need, it can be filled easily in FA. It's one of two positions in the NFL where there's plenty of talent (simply because a lot of good athletes can run & catch).

What I'm telling you is we're MUCH closer to the Eagles than what you think. The difference will start to show up next season with our advantage with the salary cap. It's the elephant in the room. 

It's not going to take long, especially when we get a quality HC. And unfortunately for you guys, that will be after this season.

 
I'm going to go ahead & take the bait I guess. I'll explain as briefly as possible exactly why I didn't like the pick...

While I love 12 personnel, with Ertz under contract, it wasn't a big need. You guys have much more critical areas of need than replacing Burton. 

I kinda doubt Pederson will all of a sudden switch to 12 personnel as his base offense, but even if he did, 12 personnel works best long-term if one of the TEs is an outstanding blocker. Will Dissly is who I had targeted for my Cowboys as a starter-type later in the draft, but he would make a perfect half of a 12 personnel TE package, especially with the fact Dissly was available in the later part of the 4th.

If I was a Phlly fan, I wouldn't have been happy taking what amounts to a backup TE in the mid-2nd of an outstanding class considering some of your other needs.

Just my opinion.
What I posted in Goedert thread still rings true today:

This type of analysis is why I don't pay attention to non-Eagles fans.  Connor Williams and Derrius Guice? 

It's easy to see, that TE was a HUGE need for Philly, probably their biggest.  Burton played on 26.53% of the offensive snaps (300 snaps) and 67.54% (2nd on team) special teams snaps (308 snaps) and Celek played on 41.11% of the offensive snaps (465 snaps) and 33.33% on special teams (152 snaps).  I can't imagine why they would have draft Goedert.  Really no need for him.  They could have given the 1200+ snaps on offense and special teams they lost at the position to Ertz.  They could have drafted a Guard who would have seen maybe 200 or 300 snaps this year, maybe if he could be out Seumalo for the backup spot.  Or a RB who would have been splitting time with Ajayi, Clement and Sproles.  I mean Blount got 354 snaps last year.  Or they could have drafted a TE to replace Celek's 617 snaps or Burton's 608 snaps.  I can't imagine why they would have gone TE.  Really not a need for them.  
 Connor Williams would have 0 snaps for the Eagles this season.  Brooks and Wisniewski have played 100% of the snaps a G.  Kelce has only missed 1 play.  Impossible to try and figure out how they would have used Guice, but Clement has played 39%, Ajayi 22% and Sproles 12% offensive snaps.  So I assume Guice might have gotten Smallwood's 23% of snaps.

Goedert has 89 offensive snaps (38%) and 25 special teams snaps (30%) this season.  Our TE #3 Perkins has 61 offensive snaps (26%).  

 
Thanks for your well thought out response. The bolded indicates that you are deferring to McClay's judgement because you have been happy with his record so far. The same goes for us Eagle fans with what Roseman has done. Isn't a Super Bowl Championship with a second year head coach and without your MVP QB, your all-pro left tackle, and starting MLB some indication that Roseman knows how to build a solid, deep, talented roster?
I've given you guys plenty of compliments, but some of your regulars think I'm always being facetious.

I can't change that narrative, but like I said, I get it.

 
When you leave out our OL talent & Lawrence, all critical positions in the NFL, as well as our other young talent on D, it kinda shows why there can't be reasonable discussion in here. That said, I get it & it's ok.

The Cowboys have a ton of YOUNG talent. As far as WR, a position we certainly need, it can be filled easily in FA. It's one of two positions in the NFL where there's plenty of talent (simply because a lot of good athletes can run & catch).

What I'm telling you is we're MUCH closer to the Eagles than what you think. The difference will start to show up next season with our advantage with the salary cap. It's the elephant in the room. 

It's not going to take long, especially when we get a quality HC. And unfortunately for you guys, that will be after this season.
this OL you are relying on is going to be the death of that team. i know you guys were hi-fiving each other with the Conner Williams pick, but if you are happy with that then good luck. there is no assurance Fredericks will come back healthy at any point, and by that time your LT will continue to decline and OL will be leaky. in addition all 5 are much better at run blocking than pass blocking. so when forced to pass if the run isn't flourishing they have a hard time excelling. 

Great example is the Thanksgiving game when your OL was at it's premium in that 13-3 season. Eagles DL tore them up and and really showed that the OL, if forced to not play to their strengths, can be a liability

ETA: your defense is interesting. Not sure what to make of it. You do have some young talent, but can you guys resign Lawrence? and if he goes does that weaken the whole DL (i compare to Fletcher Cox, whole DL will take a big hit if he were to be out since he is double teamed most plays). Will be interesting when they play an explosive offense how it goes. Carolina was a good test and they held them pretty good

 
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What I posted in Goedert thread still rings true today:

 Connor Williams would have 0 snaps for the Eagles this season.  Brooks and Wisniewski have played 100% of the snaps a G.  Kelce has only missed 1 play.  Impossible to try and figure out how they would have used Guice, but Clement has played 39%, Ajayi 22% and Sproles 12% offensive snaps.  So I assume Guice might have gotten Smallwood's 23% of snaps.

Goedert has 89 offensive snaps (38%) and 25 special teams snaps (30%) this season.  Our TE #3 Perkins has 61 offensive snaps (26%).  
Your current TE usage is no doubt affected by WR injury, but like I said, I doubt Pederson will go to 12 personnel full-time.

If even he does, my point stands about it being important for one of them to be an outstanding blocker (if you're going to use it long-term).

I can't see it happening, though.

 
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When you leave out our OL talent & Lawrence, all critical positions in the NFL, as well as our other young talent on D, it kinda shows why there can't be reasonable discussion in here. That said, I get it & it's ok.

The Cowboys have a ton of YOUNG talent. As far as WR, a position we certainly need, it can be filled easily in FA. It's one of two positions in the NFL where there's plenty of talent (simply because a lot of good athletes can run & catch).

What I'm telling you is we're MUCH closer to the Eagles than what you think. The difference will start to show up next season with our advantage with the salary cap. It's the elephant in the room. 

It's not going to take long, especially when we get a quality HC. And unfortunately for you guys, that will be after this season.
You were much closer two years ago than you are now. It all was dependent on Prescott being a quality quarterback. His rookie season, he looked like he was going to be a good one. I guess the combination of a great O-line and Zeke running like a beast and demanding 8 man fronts made him look a lot better than he really is.  His regression last season was crazy.  The only other recent QB I saw slip that badly was RGIII and his was because of injury. I figured that this year he'd find his rightful place and it would fall somewhere in between the great first season and the awful second.  But he looks just like last year's version. By next season, Dallas is going to have to make some decisions on what they're going to do with the guys whose rookie contracts are winding down. Namely, Prescott and Elliott. The reason the talent difference between Dallas and Philly isn't close is in depth. Every time Dallas loses a key player, they stink. Whether it was Romo three years ago, Elliott and his suspension last year, or the many times Lee gets hurt, they just don't have any depth.  Philly has spent the last two seasons playing with patched-up offenses and defenses. And they are 15-4 in those seasons with a Super Bowl win. 

 
this OL you are relying on is going to be the death of that team. i know you guys were hi-fiving each other with the Conner Williams pick, but if you are happy with that then good luck. there is no assurance Fredericks will come back healthy at any point, and by that time your LT will continue to decline and OL will be leaky. in addition all 5 are much better at run blocking than pass blocking. so when forced to pass if the run isn't flourishing they have a hard time excelling. 

Great example is the Thanksgiving game when your OL was at it's premium in that 13-3 season. Eagles DL tore them up and and really showed that the OL, if forced to not play to their strengths, can be a liability
When GBS is caught early & symptoms are as mild as Fred's, he'll be back. Trust me.

Our OL is one of the best in the league at minimum & we're young overall.

Ask the Vikes how important that is. It's a huge advantage to be talented & young on the OL in the NFL.

 
As far as Goedert, I wouldn't have liked the pick, but then again, I'm not a Philly fan.

If you guys are happy, I'm happy.

As far as the future, I'd enjoy your advantage now. There's a ton of innovative HCing candidates who would salivate at taking over a team with this much young talent not to mention a ton of cap space.

This team is going to win. It's going to happen & I can tell by the comments in here it's going to happen much faster than the majority of Philly fans realize.

 
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I've given you guys plenty of compliments, but some of your regulars think I'm always being facetious.

I can't change that narrative, but like I said, I get it.
I don't think any of us are fishing for compliments. I think i would just like you to acknowledge that perhaps the GM who just put together a Super Bowl winning roster and won NFL executive of the year last year might have some inkling as to how to evaluate football talent. Especially when the pick you are questioning just made a significant contribution to the Eagles winning a game last week.

 
I don't think any of us are fishing for compliments. I think i would just like you to acknowledge that perhaps the GM who just put together a Super Bowl winning roster and won NFL executive of the year last year might have some inkling as to how to evaluate football talent. Especially when the pick you are questioning just made a significant contribution to the Eagles winning a game last week.
Fair enough.

Roseman has done a good job overall from what I can tell.

 
When GBS is caught early & symptoms are as mild as Fred's, he'll be back. Trust me.

Our OL is one of the best in the league at minimum & we're young overall.

Ask the Vikes how important that is. It's a huge advantage to be talented & young on the OL in the NFL.
i've heard differently about GBS, but i am so under-qualified to speak on that i will just stop now  :P

as for the OL, i think with last year when Smith went out, and this year when Fredericks went out, you can see that the depth and replacement value can hinder the whole OL. if all are healthy sure they are a very good OL, but so are a lot of other teams. Give me a healthy Jason Peters please!!

 
i've heard differently about GBS, but i am so under-qualified to speak on that i will just stop now  :P

as for the OL, i think with last year when Smith went out, and this year when Fredericks went out, you can see that the depth and replacement value can hinder the whole OL. if all are healthy sure they are a very good OL, but so are a lot of other teams. Give me a healthy Jason Peters please!!
I'm not a Dr., but I do have experience in the medical field as a nurse.

While GBS can be a rather nasty disease, there's a wide variety of outcomes mostly depending on how severe the symptoms are in the first two weeks as well as how soon treatment is started.

I'd expect Fred to make a 100% recovery sooner rather than later.

 
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I'm not a Dr. but I do have experience in the medical field as a nurse.

While GBS can be a rather nasty disease, there's a wide variety of outcomes mostly depending on how severe the symptoms are in the first two weeks as well as how soon treatment is started.

I'd expect Fred to make a 100% recovery sooner rather than later.
well i will defer to you here then. I forget who it was, one of the talking heads on ESPN who is a former player, spoke about it and said it took him over a year to get back to being able to play. To be honest, he seemed like a good guy so good luck to him getting back and hopefuly he recovers well. 

 
well i will defer to you here then. I forget who it was, one of the talking heads on ESPN who is a former player, spoke about it and said it took him over a year to get back to being able to play. To be honest, he seemed like a good guy so good luck to him getting back and hopefuly he recovers well. 
Agree with this. Best of luck to Frederick on his recovery

 
To be clear, I'm not stating Fred will be back this season.

I'm thinking they'll be extremely cautious, especially given the position he plays where you take contact virtually every play.

I have no doubt Fred will essentially be recovered fairly soon, but we're not talking about an office job here. It could take awhile for him to get his strength back.

Despite the good prognosis, there's still questions of how soon he can come back to the field. Certainly by next season if not later this year. It could even be as little as a few weeks, but my guess is he'll need to build his strength back up once the nerves start to fire.

 
As far as Goedert, I wouldn't have liked the pick, but then again, I'm not a Philly fan.

If you guys are happy, I'm happy.

As far as the future, I'd enjoy your advantage now. There's a ton of innovative HCing candidates who would salivate at taking over a team with this much young talent not to mention a ton of cap space.

This team is going to win. It's going to happen & I can tell by the comments in here it's going to happen much faster than the majority of Philly fans realize.
I'll agree with part of your argument...Dallas has the cap space and the O-line to turn things around fairly quickly. What I remain unconvinced of though, is the QB. What we've seen so far suggests mere competence as long as everything else is working well. Teams can win that way, but it's much more difficult, and rarely do teams built that way stay near the top of the heap for long.

As far as Goedert goes, you ignored fully half of Snotbubbles' argument. He gave LAST YEAR's numbers for TE2 useage, and pointed out we lost BOTH TE2 AND TE3. There was not one single player the Eagles could have drafted who would have seen more snaps on the current Eagles roster then Goedert is likely to see (barring specific injuries nobody could foresee) and Howie, Doug, and many of us in here believe Goedert could be a great TE, not just a backup. Your continued attack of the pick is kind of confusing, even if you don't believe he will be great...unless you honestly think he won't be a solid, quality player at the very least...a position which would be at least understandable, if a bit loony.

Weren't you the one early last year trying to say Prescott was by far the better QB compared to Wentz?

 
I'll agree with part of your argument...Dallas has the cap space and the O-line to turn things around fairly quickly. What I remain unconvinced of though, is the QB. What we've seen so far suggests mere competence as long as everything else is working well. Teams can win that way, but it's much more difficult, and rarely do teams built that way stay near the top of the heap for long.

As far as Goedert goes, you ignored fully half of Snotbubbles' argument. He gave LAST YEAR's numbers for TE2 useage, and pointed out we lost BOTH TE2 AND TE3. There was not one single player the Eagles could have drafted who would have seen more snaps on the current Eagles roster then Goedert is likely to see (barring specific injuries nobody could foresee) and Howie, Doug, and many of us in here believe Goedert could be a great TE, not just a backup. Your continued attack of the pick is kind of confusing, even if you don't believe he will be great...unless you honestly think he won't be a solid, quality player at the very least...a position which would be at least understandable, if a bit loony.

Weren't you the one early last year trying to say Prescott was by far the better QB compared to Wentz?
I didn't ignore Burton's numbers. I essentially answered it by saying that isn't even close to your main need(s), much less the impact of the dynamics associated with taking a backup TE compared to other positions.

As far as Wentz/Dak, no, I didn't say Dak was far better than Wentz, LOL. I was a huge Wentz fan when he came out & took him high in multiple rookie drafts (much higher than Dak). What I said was it's close & as things stand right now (back then), I'd take Dak.

Wentz had some issues in his rookie year, partly due to not having enough weapons, but you could tell he had a high ceiling despite his tendency to scattershot throws (typically high). Dak simply outplayed him as a rookie & that butthurt some Philly fans when I said it.

It's now evident Wentz has developed quicker, but then again, let's see what he could do with our current receivers. ENORMOUS difference.

 
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As far as Dak, the player, I'm not married to him.

I'm open to acquiring a better passer for sure. A top passer to go along with the rest of our talent (when we upgrade our receivers) should be scary to opponents.

In short, I'm in wait & see mode on Dak.

 
Trading Foles would likely have to precede it which is what the article alluded to.

I don't believe any team can trust they'll be able to resign Bell. It's simply going to be about how much potential suitors are willing to pay for a partial-season rental & the Steelers are automatically going to get a late 3rd if he leaves via FA.

It's either going to take at least an early 3rd or a decent player (or a player/pick deal of some sort).

 
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sounds to me like Jeffery is gonna play. 

Tn is not gonna know what hits them.  I don't see how their offense has sustained success against our def and our offense is slowly getting into form.  should be a fun game.
Thank god we never got Chip's QB. Could you imagine us right now? The kid is a great person but he's not even Nick Foles talent right now let alone close to anything Wentz puts out there 

 
I'm going to go ahead & take the bait I guess. I'll explain as briefly as possible exactly why I didn't like the pick...

While I love 12 personnel, with Ertz under contract, it wasn't a big need. You guys have much more critical areas of need than replacing Burton. 

I kinda doubt Pederson will all of a sudden switch to 12 personnel as his base offense, but even if he did, 12 personnel works best long-term if one of the TEs is an outstanding blocker. Will Dissly is who I had targeted for my Cowboys as a starter-type later in the draft, but he would make a perfect half of a 12 personnel TE package, especially with the fact Dissly was available in the later part of the 4th.

If I was a Phlly fan, I wouldn't have been happy taking what amounts to a backup TE in the mid-2nd of an outstanding class considering some of your other needs.

Just my opinion.
TE was a need going into the draft.  They lost 2 of their 3 from '17.  You can spin it however you want, but TE was most certainly discussed as a draft need.

 
Dropped in here to read about Goedert (Bears fan - loved the pick fwiw) and you boys can certainly handle your own battles; still, let me give the Cowboys fan(s) a bit of unsolicited advice:

When a team is built well, has great coaching, a good/probably better young qb and just won the super bowl against the definitive and unrivaled coach of the era with a backup qb, the right move is a tip of the cap. Get your own house in order - compared to philly right now you’re living in a townhome telling Beyoncé how her third home overlooking the Mediterranean doesn’t get the cross breeze you expected. 

 
Dropped in here to read about Goedert (Bears fan - loved the pick fwiw) and you boys can certainly handle your own battles; still, let me give the Cowboys fan(s) a bit of unsolicited advice:

When a team is built well, has great coaching, a good/probably better young qb and just won the super bowl against the definitive and unrivaled coach of the era with a backup qb, the right move is a tip of the cap. Get your own house in order - compared to philly right now you’re living in a townhome telling Beyoncé how her third home overlooking the Mediterranean doesn’t get the cross breeze you expected. 
:own3d:

Couldn’t have said it better. 

 
TE was a need going into the draft.  They lost 2 of their 3 from '17.  You can spin it however you want, but TE was most certainly discussed as a draft need.
I actually can get on board with that, but taking one in the 2nd is what I disagree with.

Burton made a few plays & Celek was well past his prime. I mean, it's not like you lost a ton there.

Anyway, I'm interested to see how it shakes out.

 
Dropped in here to read about Goedert (Bears fan - loved the pick fwiw) and you boys can certainly handle your own battles; still, let me give the Cowboys fan(s) a bit of unsolicited advice:

When a team is built well, has great coaching, a good/probably better young qb and just won the super bowl against the definitive and unrivaled coach of the era with a backup qb, the right move is a tip of the cap. Get your own house in order - compared to philly right now you’re living in a townhome telling Beyoncé how her third home overlooking the Mediterranean doesn’t get the cross breeze you expected. 
@Football Jones The Clapper and Dak the Franchise surely have a plan in place

 
Dropped in here to read about Goedert (Bears fan - loved the pick fwiw) and you boys can certainly handle your own battles; still, let me give the Cowboys fan(s) a bit of unsolicited advice:

When a team is built well, has great coaching, a good/probably better young qb and just won the super bowl against the definitive and unrivaled coach of the era with a backup qb, the right move is a tip of the cap. Get your own house in order - compared to philly right now you’re living in a townhome telling Beyoncé how her third home overlooking the Mediterranean doesn’t get the cross breeze you expected. 
A Bears fan telling the Cowboys to get their house in order is like, well, bragging that you kicked your big sister's ###.

LOL.

 
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Guys, don't get so bent out of shape. I think a few of the Philly regulars get it. @dhockster for one, seems like a cool dude who can appreciate a differing opinion. We've bantered back & forth, but @dhockster seems to at least respect a viewpoint he doesn't agree with.

I've given your Eagles plenty of compliments despite a lot of negative comments towards my Boys. I do get it, though. It's OK, but just realize not everything will turn out to be a rose.

RELAAAAAAX.

 
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Guys, don't get so bent out of shape. I think a few of the Philly regulars get it. @dhockster for one, seems like a cool dude who can appreciate a differing opinion. We've bantered back & forth, but @dhockster seems to at least respect a viewpoint he doesn't agree with.

I've given your Eagles plenty of compliments despite a lot of negative comments towards my Boys. I do get it, though. It's OK, but just realize not everything will turn out to be a rose.

RELAAAAAAX.
Please share the redeeming NFL qualities of:

Jerry Jones

The Clapper

Dak

 
Please share the redeeming NFL qualities of:

Jerry Jones

The Clapper

Dak
I don't think you want me cluttering up your thread with pro-Cowboys talk. Or any kind of Cowboys talk for that matter.

I simply responded to correct something that was said about my opinion of the Goedert pick.

 
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Actually, I gave a lot of general directions you guys could've gone. Sure, I could've named specific players I like, but that wasn't my point. You should've gone D (maybe a DB with your secondary issues) or OL. Hell, a WR with Jeffery iffy would've been a much better move. I saw quite a few Philly fans wanting Guice & that would've been ok, as well. Take your pick. The 2018 class was outstanding.

Taking Goedert in the 2nd when Ertz is under contract & having bigger needs was short-sighted. It might be different if you ran 12 personnel near full-time (when everyone is healthy), but you don't. Goedert is essentially a backup TE.

It would be different if Ertz/Goedert was Gronk/Hernandez, but they're not. I love 12 personnel, but there was some nice TEs later in the draft.

That said, Goedert is a good prospect, but it was a very odd pick for a team living in the short-term with some weaknesses to cover for & some players getting older. It's like Pederson was running the draft & wanted another toy.
Jeez lots to catch up on tonight.  Do you actually not realize how much of a broken record you sound like?  You've definitely made yourself famous for that on these boards and you use everything down to the exact same word every time.

Our "back up" tight end just went off even with our other tight end being productive.  I legit don't think there's anything that could happen in the NFL for you to ever come on a board and say "guys I was wrong".  Rico could not catch a pass in his career and you'd find an excuse or safety net "Hey I just said he was a prospect" excuse to justify your claims and not have to say you were wrong.  But hey, some people will never change.

 
Just so I understand where you stand: if Goedert turns out to be a really good TE, are you going to change your mind and say it was a good pick, or will you always say it was an odd pick because they had other more pressing needs, in your mind?
He will always say it was a wrong pick.  Football Jones is never ever wrong, didn't you know?  He hasn't said he was wrong about something on any threads. 

 

 
I'm really not interested in debating this.
Coulda fooled us/anyone
 

While I love 12 personnel, with Ertz under contract, it wasn't a big need.
Smart GM's draft BPA more than for need these days.  Especially those coming off title years.
 

What I'm telling you is we're MUCH closer to the Eagles than what you think. The difference will start to show up next season with our advantage with the salary cap. It's the elephant in the room.
You said that this offseason about how close we were this year.  Now it's next year?  Okay.  I'm assuming you meant 2020 all along if we're still not that close next year.   Also, most of us (Besides Mo) predicted Dallas would actually be somewhat close to us this year, but it doesn't look like they're even as good as WE thought.
 

It's now evident Wentz has developed quicker, but then again, let's see what he could do with our current receivers. ENORMOUS difference.
"developed quicker" = "im using selective wording because I somehow STILL can't admit that Wentz is better than Dak so I'll just say he developed faster"

"ENORMOUS difference" in receivers right now?  We are missing 3 of our top 4 right now.  You're acting like your awful receivers isn't the fault of your drafting.  Oh right, its the fault of your coach who doesn't know how to use Rico.  

Always some excuse or special wording to give yourself and your team the safety net.  It's okay to be wrong dude  You're the first to run to a thread and ask how Goedert did the night he did nothing, but after a great night it's "Well that won't be the offense for long", "I did like him as a prospect", "it wasn't an Eagles need", and "He won't be like this once everyone is healthy"  My god. 

 
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@Deamon,

You've went off the deep end (with all due respect). You simply can't go through life this thin-skinned. The 'Playoff' thread is another good example. It's OK if Philly isn't in the first couple tiers right now. Maybe you can get there by season's end which is really the only thing that matters. Or post your own tiers with Philly in tier 1 if you want. It's ok by me, LOL. You're going to burn out if you haven't already.

Anyway, I made all my points & explained them rather well. What you don't get or what you don't agree with, I have no control over.

 
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@Deamon,

You've went off the deep end (with all due respect). You simply can't go through life this thin-skinned. The 'Playoff' thread is another good example. It's OK if Philly isn't in the first couple tiers right now. Maybe you can get there by season's end which is really the only thing that matters. Or post your own tiers with Philly in tier 1 if you want. It's ok by me, LOL. You're going to burn out if you haven't already.

Anyway, I made all my points & explained them rather well. What you don't get or what you don't agree with, I have no control over.
Haha no deep end, was just blown away at your posts tonight. 

And what do you mean not in the first couple tiers right now?  You put ONE team in the "first couple tiers".  And no I don't think Philly is in tier one.  Never said that.  I do, however, think that even if we won the next couple weeks, you'd still find a way to say we weren't contenders and just say "Rams are so much better".  It's just surprising how every compliment you give Philly is a backhanded one, and you relentlessly refuse to ever admit you were wrong about anything. 

 
Your current TE usage is no doubt affected by WR injury, but like I said, I doubt Pederson will go to 12 personnel full-time.

If even he does, my point stands about it being important for one of them to be an outstanding blocker (if you're going to use it long-term).

I can't see it happening, though.
That's the point I was trying to give you back at the draft which seems to be eluding you is that Pederson's TE usage is traditionally high and Goedert's current usage is not a reflection of our current WR situation, it's just the way Pederson runs his offense.

Last year Celek got 41% of the offensive snaps and 33% on special teams.  Burton got 27% and 67% respectively.  Goedert through 3 games is currently getting about what Celek got last season.  When you look at usage in 2017 for skill position players you had Jeffrey (82%), Agholor (71%), Ertz (67%), Smith (65%), Celek (41%), Blount (31%), Burton (27%).  It's why TE was such a huge need for Philly.  

 
Dropped in here to read about Goedert (Bears fan - loved the pick fwiw) and you boys can certainly handle your own battles; still, let me give the Cowboys fan(s) a bit of unsolicited advice:

When a team is built well, has great coaching, a good/probably better young qb and just won the super bowl against the definitive and unrivaled coach of the era with a backup qb, the right move is a tip of the cap. Get your own house in order - compared to philly right now you’re living in a townhome telling Beyoncé how her third home overlooking the Mediterranean doesn’t get the cross breeze you expected. 
Football Jones was just taken behind the woodshed.  I can't help but chuckle when I see him post. He's the guy who spent all last season telling me he'd rather have Prescott than WentzJ Justin case there's any question about his football knowledge.

I do love his obsession with the Eagles. The guy makes half of his posts in the Eagles team thread. I would have loved to have a video of his reaction when the Eagles won the Superbowl last year. I guarantee he had to be talked off a ledge.

 
A Bears fan telling the Cowboys to get their house in order is like, well, bragging that you kicked your big sister's ###.

LOL.
You must be young.

The point is I know a dysfunctional organization when I see one and nitpicking those that do it right instead of focusing your energy and criticism on your own team is petty and ridiculous. 

 
Can we keep the indepth discussion on the Cowboys future, how good their QB is, etc.. mostly confined to the Cowboys thread?  A comment or two on how they stack up is fine, we don't need 5 pages of this nonsense.

 

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