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*** Official 2024 Atlantic Hurricane Season Thread *** Post Helene and Milton (2 Viewers)

what is the point of us flying an airplane into the storm? what is actually being gained from this?
Isn't so they can perform accurate measurements of the hurricane?
is that where the Hurricane center gets its info? i wasn’t sure….actually, i never really thought how they measured pressure or speed.
It is from a combination of space instruments, hunter aircraft dropping instruments into the storm (and flying instruments).
 
Just talked to my sister. She’s in Bonita Springs visiting friends. She said everyone there is just hunkering down. I thought it sounds like a bad idea but she doesn’t have her own transportation to leave so she’s stuck.

I’m extremely concerned but she doesn’t seem to be, so maybe I’m worrying about nothing.
How far from the coast is she? If she's inland a few miles, away from flood and storm surge risk, it may be better to hunker down. I'd worry if there were big trees close to the house or if she lives in a trailer, especially older ones. During the Irma evacuation in 2017, many people spent hours fleeing north from Miami only to spend hours looking for a hotel or gas. Some ended up in Georgia as hotels in Florida filled up. Some ran out gas on the highway. Some felt like they were being chased as Irma missed Miami and went up the west coast. The return to Miami was equally bad. An estimated 6.5 million people relocated fleeing Irma. Most would've been better off hunkering down.
 
Yea we’re 17 mi inland (flood zone X), and are hunkering down. As are the majority of my neighbors and friends nearby. Also have underground power and close to a school so hoping that helps. We also evacuated for Irma and mildy regretted it. But it’s not a good feeling knowing what the upcoming 12+ hour window will be like as it sounds like a tornado is knocking on our roof.
 
Silly question…do electric shutters have some sort of backup battery inside them in case you lose power?

We have the kind that go up and down via a light switch inside. I was just thinking that if we keep them down (including the front door one) and the power goes out, we could be trapped inside. 😄
At first I was all like - what a silly question, then I checked my 90s house and realized that my shutters are also controlled by a switch and I do not know that answer, lol.

Hey, at least us here in Ft Myers haven't had any recent rain and there is plenty of gas without any hysteria out there.
 
Just talked to my sister. She’s in Bonita Springs visiting friends. She said everyone there is just hunkering down. I thought it sounds like a bad idea but she doesn’t have her own transportation to leave so she’s stuck.

I’m extremely concerned but she doesn’t seem to be, so maybe I’m worrying about nothing.
How far from the coast is she? If she's inland a few miles, away from flood and storm surge risk, it may be better to hunker down. I'd worry if there were big trees close to the house or if she lives in a trailer, especially older ones. During the Irma evacuation in 2017, many people spent hours fleeing north from Miami only to spend hours looking for a hotel or gas. Some ended up in Georgia as hotels in Florida filled up. Some ran out gas on the highway. Some felt like they were being chased as Irma missed Miami and went up the west coast. The return to Miami was equally bad. An estimated 6.5 million people relocated fleeing Irma. Most would've been better off hunkering down.
Apparently in a condo out near 75.
 
Crazy, 2 years ago my homeowners went up quite a bit, so I shopped around and found some for less than I was paying before, and it hasn't went up at all since. Lucky I guess, but I'm not in any flood or evac zone.
 
Where people live and what kind of insurance the government is willing to/not willing to provide them (because private insurers won't) is finally going to be a big thing soon IMO -- whether that's fires in CA or hurricanes in the east or repeated floods along at-risk rivers.
 
Anyone else just get an alarm on their phone?

Crossed over I75 about an hour ago and it was a parking lot underneath heading north
Yep. I-75 northbound and I-4 eastbound are clogged AF. The emergency shoulder opening is in effect too for the extra lane but it's still a crawl.
 
905MB with180MPH winds as of 5pm. Likely about to reach peak intensity.
I've seen them dip under 900, 890 range, it might hit 200 mph, pretty rare but it could reach speeds that we can't actually clock because there's a point where planes can't fly into the storm
 
What is going to happen to the Florida insurance industry?
Was just talking about that with my wife. Even if our house gets spared we are going to get pummeled by insurance next year. I guess we’ll see.
The State of Florida is screwed, this isn't the first major storm and unfortunately this one will likely be the most expensive in terms of money
 
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Anyone else just get an alarm on their phone?

Crossed over I75 about an hour ago and it was a parking lot underneath heading north
The cell phone alerts will continue throughout, that's the way they cover their bases, most folks have a cell phone and even people that don't watch news have some idea something is about to happen. I have to also say, it was disheartening to hear some of our friends in the TB Region saying the were "taping doors and windows" which is NOT something you should do, it doesn't help. I was floored that people still behave this way or literally don't know what to do during an inevitable storm approaching

-I know kinda where you're at, you're gonna see a **** ton of folks evacuating along the I-4/-I-75 Corridor and running North
I have mixed feelings about people evacuating. Sure those in Zone A that are going to have anywhere from 6-12+ feet of water...
You gotta get out or you might not even make it on the roof of your house

But you're likely to be without power no matter where you flee to in Florida, you still won't have any of your things, if you are not in an immediate flood zone, I do understand why folks hunker down, you bought all the supplies and you want to ride out the storm. You'd rather be in your house with no power than be at a school with hundreds of your best friends and still have no power

I was shocked by how many of my buddies around here in Palm Beach and Martin County/Hobe Sound were pulling out their generators, we are under a TS watch but the panic I saw with some locals was kind of scary. I worry for folks right in the eye of this thing but I'm not worried about most folks surviving, this won't be near the death toll of Helene up in the Carolinas

It feels like folks are more concerned they will be without TV/Cable/Internet well guess what, that's gonna happen so get use to it.
HT, you're gonna be fine where you are, there will be some flooding, you'll lose power and people will run around acting like its the end of the World but you'll be OK...I think :wink:
 
What is going to happen to the Florida insurance industry?
Geez I don't know. Farmers just dropped me. I had to go with Towerhill. For the privilege of having my premium go up over $1000 I had to replace my waterheater and do some plumbing work to the tune of all most 2 grand before they would cover me.
 
Silly question…do electric shutters have some sort of backup battery inside them in case you lose power?

We have the kind that go up and down via a light switch inside. I was just thinking that if we keep them down (including the front door one) and the power goes out, we could be trapped inside. 😄
At first I was all like - what a silly question, then I checked my 90s house and realized that my shutters are also controlled by a switch and I do not know that answer, lol.

Hey, at least us here in Ft Myers haven't had any recent rain and there is plenty of gas without any hysteria out there.
All of the ones in islands have hand cranks. They always lose power in big storms.
 
This morning there was a chance of the track bumping south into the everglades (southern stream had more influence), and avoiding all the shear. Has anyone heard anything on that, or is everything pointing to St Pete? Tia.
 
This morning there was a chance of the track bumping south into the everglades (southern stream had more influence), and avoiding all the shear. Has anyone heard anything on that, or is everything pointing to St Pete? Tia.
Have not seen much change in the models that have it going pretty much thru St Pete/Tampa Bay and then across the State, Central Florida around Orlando likely to see some major impact and even as it exits on the East Coast it will still likely be a Cat-1 still going out into the Atlantic

-The dirty side of this storm is going to be on the right and also the South so even if it runs North and across of you in South Florida, still likely to be impacted
 
@eoMMan was talking about shutters and those are interesting and a double edge sword.
On the one hand if you are near the water and want to survive you should put up the shutters, your life likely depends on it
The downside is you are basically locked into a dark metal like box now, yeah its your house but once the power is turned off you can't see much
Also you can't see out side hardly at all and that can be maddening

If you don't absolutely need storm shutters and you have hurricane impact windows, enjoy the show because you will want to see out and it's very dangerous to open your front door just to get a peek outside and see what is going on around you.

-We have storm shutters on a 2nd floor condo that cover 5 sliders long Florida room and we hate having to close them up because you can't really see out.
We have these on all the windows, many of the condos in here do and you just close them up and then hope for the best
2nd floor so you do have to go up on a ladder in order to close them but well worth it and they are manual
 
This morning there was a chance of the track bumping south into the everglades (southern stream had more influence), and avoiding all the shear. Has anyone heard anything on that, or is everything pointing to St Pete? Tia.
No. It took a slight dip but once picked up by the trough, it won't let it go more south than Sarasota-ish or more north than Crystal River-ish, it's gonna be funneled toward the Tampa Bay area amd it cannot escape the cone.

That's how the local weather guy put it.
 
We have storm shutters on a 2nd floor condo that cover 5 sliders long Florida room and we hate having to close them up because you can't really see out.
Impact windows is the way to go. I live in an apartment with impact windows and they're like concrete. The 10-story building where I work, a medical office connected to a hospital, was just retrofitted with impact windows, I don't think I could break them with a baseball bat.

But they're costly. After a major hurricane, the price goes up. The state has offered assistance with hardening houses several times in the past. I still couldn't afford to put impact windows in a 2,000 sf house in North Bay Village about 20 years ago. My roof was good structurally, wood, good connectors, slightly pitched.

A big issue with evacuating is what do do with pets. Based on commentary above, many people who could safely hunker down are likely evacuating. Being stuck for hours in traffic is no fun, especially with kids or animals.
 
HT, you're gonna be fine where you are, there will be some flooding, you'll lose power and people will run around acting like its the end of the World but you'll be
OK...I think :wink:
I feel bad for people near the coast , this looks like a monster. Up north for a big snow storm I always filled our cars with gas and went tp so the same and the gas stations were out , circle k and a couple of 711s . Never seen that before. We’re in a great place for this storm , new construction and no blowing snow
 
We have storm shutters on a 2nd floor condo that cover 5 sliders long Florida room and we hate having to close them up because you can't really see out.
Impact windows is the way to go. I live in an apartment with impact windows and they're like concrete. The 10-story building where I work, a medical office connected to a hospital, was just retrofitted with impact windows, I don't think I could break them with a baseball bat.

But they're costly. After a major hurricane, the price goes up. The state has offered assistance with hardening houses several times in the past. I still couldn't afford to put impact windows in a 2,000 sf house in North Bay Village about 20 years ago. My roof was good structurally, wood, good connectors, slightly pitched.

A big issue with evacuating is what do do with pets. Based on commentary above, many people who could safely hunker down are likely evacuating. Being stuck for hours in traffic is no fun, especially with kids or animals.
Again this is another gut punch when everyone is trying to evacuate, the roads clog up and you could be stranded for hours and only traveling a few miles
There are A LOT of reasons why I tend to encourage most to hunker down, you leave and you might not be able to return which is not good
There is $$$ factor to all of it too. I'm sure many on here could just jump on a plane and go vacation somewhere and return in a few days or a week when the coast is clear but not everyone has that kind of cash to make things happen on the fly.

Pets, children, wives, so many things you have to stay and take care of during these damn storms
 
Let's say you have 3k to go on a bender for an evac. Isn't the right play Vegas?
I was going to post the same thing, Tampa airport shuts down at 9am tomorrow
Time is running out

But yeah if you have a few thousand to just throw around and make life pleasant for a week until this blows over, Vegas would seem like the right play
 
@eoMMan was talking about shutters and those are interesting and a double edge sword.
On the one hand if you are near the water and want to survive you should put up the shutters, your life likely depends on it
The downside is you are basically locked into a dark metal like box now, yeah its your house but once the power is turned off you can't see much
Also you can't see out side hardly at all and that can be maddening

If you don't absolutely need storm shutters and you have hurricane impact windows, enjoy the show because you will want to see out and it's very dangerous to open your front door just to get a peek outside and see what is going on around you.

-We have storm shutters on a 2nd floor condo that cover 5 sliders long Florida room and we hate having to close them up because you can't really see out.
We have these on all the windows, many of the condos in here do and you just close them up and then hope for the best
2nd floor so you do have to go up on a ladder in order to close them but well worth it and they are manual
Wow. Could you maybe leave one small window unshuttered for evac and viewing? Tape the **** out of it? Board it from the inside?
 
We have storm shutters on a 2nd floor condo that cover 5 sliders long Florida room and we hate having to close them up because you can't really see out.
Impact windows is the way to go. I live in an apartment with impact windows and they're like concrete. The 10-story building where I work, a medical office connected to a hospital, was just retrofitted with impact windows, I don't think I could break them with a baseball bat.

But they're costly. After a major hurricane, the price goes up. The state has offered assistance with hardening houses several times in the past. I still couldn't afford to put impact windows in a 2,000 sf house in North Bay Village about 20 years ago. My roof was good structurally, wood, good connectors, slightly pitched.

A big issue with evacuating is what do do with pets. Based on commentary above, many people who could safely hunker down are likely evacuating. Being stuck for hours in traffic is no fun, especially with kids or animals.
We’ve had ours for 2 years and worth every penny imo. 175 mph impact-resistant. Even did the triple sliders in the back of the house. Got ours through Window World.
 
@eoMMan was talking about shutters and those are interesting and a double edge sword.
On the one hand if you are near the water and want to survive you should put up the shutters, your life likely depends on it
The downside is you are basically locked into a dark metal like box now, yeah its your house but once the power is turned off you can't see much
Also you can't see out side hardly at all and that can be maddening

If you don't absolutely need storm shutters and you have hurricane impact windows, enjoy the show because you will want to see out and it's very dangerous to open your front door just to get a peek outside and see what is going on around you.

-We have storm shutters on a 2nd floor condo that cover 5 sliders long Florida room and we hate having to close them up because you can't really see out.
We have these on all the windows, many of the condos in here do and you just close them up and then hope for the best
2nd floor so you do have to go up on a ladder in order to close them but well worth it and they are manual
Wow. Could you maybe leave one small window unshuttered for evac and viewing? Tape the **** out of it? Board it from the inside?
Taping is a no no for windows, it actually can create bigger problems
 
Anyone have good Tampa Bay livestreams? Ever since Sandy crept into my apartment 12 years ago seeing the tide come in like that has become a guilty pleasure. Hope all in the path are safe. My one experience with storm surge was enough to always advocate leaving if at all possible.
 
“This hurricane is nearing the mathematical limit of what Earth's atmosphere over this ocean water can produce.”

Having worked Hurricane Andrew for 15-months early in my career, I was hoping to retire with the ability to say that was the worse thing I would ever see. While the 2017 CA Wildfires were very close, I fear I may see worse. I just arrived in Columbia, SC today (FEMA has a HUGE contingent in my hotel BTW) to coordinate, but have been told not to unpack in case I need to head south. I just cannot process a CAT 5 hit even close to Tampa after working Andrew, all 4 2004 Hurricanes, Irma, Michael and Ian.
 
905MB with180MPH winds as of 5pm. Likely about to reach peak intensity.
I've seen them dip under 900, 890 range, it might hit 200 mph, pretty rare but it could reach speeds that we can't actually clock because there's a point where planes can't fly into the storm
If it goes sub 900 that would be the 6th in history in the Atlantic, last was Wilma.
897
Simply amazing. And crazy. Models the other day were showing it getting to the low 900s and I was thinking "no way" can it get down that low that fast and not only did it do that it went even lower.
 
“This hurricane is nearing the mathematical limit of what Earth's atmosphere over this ocean water can produce.”

Having worked Hurricane Andrew for 15-months early in my career, I was hoping to retire with the ability to say that was the worse thing I would ever see. While the 2017 CA Wildfires were very close, I fear I may see worse. I just arrived in Columbia, SC today (FEMA has a HUGE contingent in my hotel BTW) to coordinate, but have been told not to unpack in case I need to head south. I just cannot process a CAT 5 hit even close to Tampa after working Andrew, all 4 2004 Hurricanes, Irma, Michael and Ian.
What is your role GB? Thanks for doing what you do.
 
All indications seem to be this won't hit as a category 5, but that could potentially be worse, as it weakens, it spreads - so slightly lower winds, but across as wider path.


Stay as safe as you can folks.
 
“This hurricane is nearing the mathematical limit of what Earth's atmosphere over this ocean water can produce.”

Having worked Hurricane Andrew for 15-months early in my career, I was hoping to retire with the ability to say that was the worse thing I would ever see. While the 2017 CA Wildfires were very close, I fear I may see worse. I just arrived in Columbia, SC today (FEMA has a HUGE contingent in my hotel BTW) to coordinate, but have been told not to unpack in case I need to head south. I just cannot process a CAT 5 hit even close to Tampa after working Andrew, all 4 2004 Hurricanes, Irma, Michael and Ian.
What is your role GB? Thanks for doing what you do.
Insurance. I appreciate the thanks, but there are much more deserving folks.
 
All indications seem to be this won't hit as a category 5, but that could potentially be worse, as it weakens, it spreads - so slightly lower winds, but across as wider path.


Stay as safe as you can folks.
Right. Intensity will drop but the size of the storm will grow.
 
“This hurricane is nearing the mathematical limit of what Earth's atmosphere over this ocean water can produce.”

Having worked Hurricane Andrew for 15-months early in my career, I was hoping to retire with the ability to say that was the worse thing I would ever see. While the 2017 CA Wildfires were very close, I fear I may see worse. I just arrived in Columbia, SC today (FEMA has a HUGE contingent in my hotel BTW) to coordinate, but have been told not to unpack in case I need to head south. I just cannot process a CAT 5 hit even close to Tampa after working Andrew, all 4 2004 Hurricanes, Irma, Michael and Ian.
What is your role GB? Thanks for doing what you do.
Insurance. I appreciate the thanks, but there are much more deserving folks.
Oh yeah, screw you.



J/k. Write those checks brother. And stay safe
 
All indications seem to be this won't hit as a category 5, but that could potentially be worse, as it weakens, it spreads - so slightly lower winds, but across as wider path.


Stay as safe as you can folks.
Right. Intensity will drop but the size of the storm will grow.
They are also saying the storm surge won't decrease.

Working in Network Operations for a huge Telecom this is a gut punch as we've been working round the clock and still have a ton of cell sites and enterprise customers out of service in North and South Carolina 11 days ongoing.
 
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We have storm shutters on a 2nd floor condo that cover 5 sliders long Florida room and we hate having to close them up because you can't really see out.
Impact windows is the way to go. I live in an apartment with impact windows and they're like concrete. The 10-story building where I work, a medical office connected to a hospital, was just retrofitted with impact windows, I don't think I could break them with a baseball bat.

But they're costly. After a major hurricane, the price goes up. The state has offered assistance with hardening houses several times in the past. I still couldn't afford to put impact windows in a 2,000 sf house in North Bay Village about 20 years ago. My roof was good structurally, wood, good connectors, slightly pitched.

A big issue with evacuating is what do do with pets. Based on commentary above, many people who could safely hunker down are likely evacuating. Being stuck for hours in traffic is no fun, especially with kids or animals.
Again this is another gut punch when everyone is trying to evacuate, the roads clog up and you could be stranded for hours and only traveling a few miles
There are A LOT of reasons why I tend to encourage most to hunker down, you leave and you might not be able to return which is not good
There is $$$ factor to all of it too. I'm sure many on here could just jump on a plane and go vacation somewhere and return in a few days or a week when the coast is clear but not everyone has that kind of cash to make things happen on the fly.

Pets, children, wives, so many things you have to stay and take care of during these damn storms
We hunker down…..but anyone on the coast dixie highway to A1A should not with storms this powerful.

Ever.

I am hoping no one right on the coastlines are dumb enough to take on 10-15 foot storm surges. I mean….that’s suicide.
 

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